I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

--
Jim the Geordie

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On 8/25/24 09:02 AM, Big Al wrote:

On 8/25/24 07:28 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS
service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

Per HubSpot.com:   (Not sure they are an authority and it was the first hit in google.)

How many email addresses can you Bcc in Gmail?
Gmail has a daily sending limit of 500 emails per day, which includes all recipients. This can be
either a single email to 500 recipients or 500 individual emails. It's important to note that new
accounts may have lower limits.

When using the Bcc feature, make sure to keep track of how many recipients you're adding to avoid
exceeding the limit.

And 3 other hits in the seach say 500 per 24 hours. Seems to be a common response.
--
Linux Mint 21.3, Cinnamon 6.0.4, Kernel 5.15.0-119-generic
Al

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On 8/25/24 07:28 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

Per HubSpot.com: (Not sure they are an authority and it was the first hit in google.)

How many email addresses can you Bcc in Gmail?
Gmail has a daily sending limit of 500 emails per day, which includes all recipients. This can be
either a single email to 500 recipients or 500 individual emails. It's important to note that new
accounts may have lower limits.

When using the Bcc feature, make sure to keep track of how many recipients you're adding to avoid
exceeding the limit.
--
Linux Mint 21.3, Cinnamon 6.0.4, Kernel 5.15.0-119-generic
Al

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In article <vaf4hi$1a0bg$2@paganini.bofh.team>, Jim the Geordie wrote...

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

This article has some useful info: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/12921167#zippy=%2Cunderstand-send-limits It talks about Gmail's own mail-merge facility.

The limit for standard accounts is 500 daily.

I regularly use Word and Outlook (full-fat version) to create mail-merge emails (the "step-by-step mail-merge wizard" works very well; it can read from a spreadsheet, an Access database, or a plain list (that you can even type in at the time).

But it's hit-and-miss, just as any email these days can be. I have my own domain, and sometimes get Outlook to send from that instead of Gmail, but either way some recipients either end up with the mail in their spam folder, or sometimes don't see it at all (gee, thanks, Gmail). With your own domain you can set up things like DMARC and SPF in DNS to make your email more verifiable, but I for onw haven't found time to figure all that out yet.

But enough get through, usually, to make it worthwhile, and even individual emails sent from a gmail account to another gmail account get intercepted for no obvious reason. Spam and spam-detection is an arms-race, of course, and there will always be uncertainty.

I'll get round to reading this one of these days (it's next to my desk as I write this...)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Email-Deliverability-Explained-Into- Inbox/dp/B0CJBPLLFN/

--

Phil, London

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On 8/25/2024 7:28 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

I had a similar problem. I consolidate many email addresses into one
Gmail account so I do not have to monitor all of the in and scam boxes individually. I use Gmail features to send multi BBC addressed emails
thru one of the NON-Gmail accounts to solicit for Multiple Sclerosis and suddenly I was accused of spamming. The NON-Gmail account refused to
tell me how many email addresses per message caused the problem. My
solution was to make an Excel spreadsheet to separate my 350+ email list
into selected count concatenated groups and am now sending two emails
per day with 42 addresses each without a problem. I make the emails
using templates with copy & paste addresses from the spreadsheet and all
emails get sent within a weeks time.

If you want the spreadsheet I can send a copy.

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On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:28:49 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS >service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

don't know, but would recommend <news:news.admin.net-abuse.email> for
eliciting their expertise in such matters ...

certainly any intended recipients of email should be expecting it, or
would probably click their "spam" button to avoid the risk of opening
it; current members on any mailing list should be notified in advance
of a host/smtp server change, because it really is a jungle out there

see also:
https://www.spamhaus.org/
https://www.spamcop.net/
https://www.mailop.org/

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Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

Sending from you own domain is much safer than using Gmail or similar.
You can then specify DKIM, DMARC and SPF so that your emails are not
rejected as spam by the recipients. Personally, I reject all
unsolicited email from Gmail addresses out of hand; it is so likely to
be spam.

To avoid the batch limit, send each email separately using a command
line SMTP email client such as <https://github.com/zehm/sendEmail>.

Alternatively, there is a more modern option: <https://github.com/muquit/mailsend/releases>
which may meet the more stringent requirements of some mail servers.

Essentially, you create a list of email addresses (your members) and a covering email. Then invoke the program, pointing it to the file of
email addresses, the covering email, and any files that need to be attached.


--
Graham J

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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

https://support.google.com/mail/topic/7280460
Limits for sending & getting mail

Regardless of the limits, or lack of them, for the sending account, the recipients or their mail service may employ their own anti-spam
measures. For example DCC tracks how many of the same message were sent
(by DCC users counting the received messages). A DCC users create a
hash of a received e-mail, and sends the hash to the DCC server. The
DCC users then get an idea of how many of the same message was sent to
each out in total, and can set a threshold as to when a message
qualifies as bulk mail which to many users constitutes spam. The user
might set a 100 count threshold. Gmail might allow 500 recipients per
day, but recipients could restrict to 50 of the same messages sent.

You should use mail merge tools to issue a separate message to each
recipient instead of slamming dozens, or more, of recipients per
messages. Seeing LOTS of recipients per message can cause suspicion
amongst recipients. You could use BCC to hide the recipients, but that
won't hide you from DCC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Checksum_Clearinghouse

DCC is the result of bulk senders deliberately omitting the Bulk: header
in their messages. They don't want recipients to see they are sending
out the same or similar messages in bulk. Mail merge to customize each instance of a message can help avoid bulk mailing detection, but DCC
uses fuzzy logic to detect messages that are very similar, like when
mail merge sending.

In addition, any receiving mail server can detect how many of the
[nearly] same messages were sent to them by the same sending mail
server. You might use mail merge to send individual messages to 500
recipients in one blast, or across 5 mail sessions of 100 recipients
within 1 minute, but if, say, 200 of them were at the same e-mail
provider, and the provider has a threshold of 200 messages from the same source/sender within 1 minute then your bulk mails get detected as spam.
The receiving server sees 200 messages coming from the same sender
within a minute, and could consider that as bulk mail. The limit at
your sending server doesn't guarantee freedom from spam detection at the receiving server or by the server or recipient using DCC.

Recipients should be opting in (subscribing) to your newsletter. If
they have not opted in, and rather than opting out of what they never
opted into, they can report you as a spam source. That you added them
to a mailing list and they can opt out means they never opted in.
Somehow you must afford the recipients the opportunity to opt in before
they ever receive your newsletter. Having to opt out without first
opting in qualifies the message as spam since your message was
unsolicited. Once opted in, they should have the ability to opt out,
and have the request honored in 10 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

For those recipients that opt into your newsletter, you might suggest
they whitelist your sending account (what is the From or Sender
headers). They could add you to a whitelist in their e-mail client, but
that won't affect the server-side anti-spam filtering by their e-mail
provider. If they whitelist you, it should be in a server-side
whitelist (aka Safe Sender) that is checked when incoming messages hit
the server for their account /before/ anti-spam filters are exercised at
the server. Not all e-mail providers have a Safe Sender option in
account settings. For example, Hotmail does, but Gmail does not. A
sender might be whitelisted in an e-mail client, but the server might've already moved an inbound message into the Junk folder per its anti-spam filters, so the client gets the message in the Junk/Spam folder. The client-side whitelist has no effect on the server-side filtering.

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On 25/08/2024 12:28, Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

You can create a free account with brevo and send 300 emails per day in
your thunderbird or Microsoft outlook client.

You get SMTP server and you can use your custom email. I use it all the
time even for gmail, yahoo, AOL or outlook.com accounts. Because you can
use email client, you can customise many things including From and reply
to addresses.

<https://www.brevo.com/pricing/>

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On 25/08/2024 17:29, Graham J wrote:

To avoid the batch limit, send each email separately using a command
line SMTP email client such as <https://github.com/zehm/sendEmail>.

Alternatively, there is a more modern option: <https://github.com/muquit/mailsend/releases>
which may meet the more stringent requirements of some mail servers.

Essentially, you create a list of email addresses (your  members) and
a covering email.  Then invoke the program, pointing it to the file of
email addresses, the covering email, and any files that need to be
attached.

You still need to use somebody's SMTP using these options. They are a
complete waste of time for OP who sends bulk messages once a month. You
can't have your own SMTP because you are not a telco. You rely on
somebody to allow you to go online and send emails no matter what you use.

Although gmail allows you 500 emails per day, they are still very strict
if they find that you are abusing their system or if somebody complains.
The 500 is just the guideline but it can be lower or in some cases even
higher if the reputation of the sender is established on gmail servers.
The machine decides what you can do and what you can't.

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On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 18:47:08 +0000, Jack <noreply@mandrill.com> wrote:

On 25/08/2024 17:29, Graham J wrote:

To avoid the batch limit, send each email separately using a command
line SMTP email client such as <https://github.com/zehm/sendEmail>.
Alternatively, there is a more modern option:
<https://github.com/muquit/mailsend/releases>
which may meet the more stringent requirements of some mail servers.
Essentially, you create a list of email addresses (your  members) and
a covering email.  Then invoke the program, pointing it to the file of
email addresses, the covering email, and any files that need to be
attached.

You still need to use somebody's SMTP using these options. They are a >complete waste of time for OP who sends bulk messages once a month. You
can't have your own SMTP because you are not a telco. You rely on
somebody to allow you to go online and send emails no matter what you use. >Although gmail allows you 500 emails per day, they are still very strict
if they find that you are abusing their system or if somebody complains.
The 500 is just the guideline but it can be lower or in some cases even >higher if the reputation of the sender is established on gmail servers.
The machine decides what you can do and what you can't.

might be safer and easier to contact one, or perhaps several, of the
intended recipients on the sender's mailing list by some other means,
e.g. snailmail, telephone, meet in person etc., to enlist their help
in contacting others on the mailing list via email or whatever means
available ... to notify all concerned that bulk emailing schemes are
being identified (or mistaken as the case may be) as commercial spam,
so recent attempts to bulk email them re: some promotion have failed;
such archaic methods might actually work better than the "telescreen"

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On 25/08/2024 21:05, D wrote:

might be safer and easier to contact one, or perhaps several, of the
intended recipients on the sender's mailing list by some other means,
e.g. snailmail, telephone, m

Do you know how much it costs to send one letter by snailmail?

You better find this this out before uttering further nonsense here.
Post Offices around the world are going bankrupt because not enough
people are using their services.

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In article <20240825.164043.c49033ea@mixmin.net>, noreply@mixmin.net
says...

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:28:49 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80) >addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail, >they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS >service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

don't know, but would recommend <news:news.admin.net-abuse.email> for eliciting their expertise in such matters ...

certainly any intended recipients of email should be expecting it, or
would probably click their "spam" button to avoid the risk of opening
it; current members on any mailing list should be notified in advance
of a host/smtp server change, because it really is a jungle out there

see also:
https://www.spamhaus.org/
https://www.spamcop.net/
https://www.mailop.org/

Progress so far
Google did not like it when I tried to post to 199 Bcc addresses so I
split them into three similar groups.
That seemed to work Okay until I got error messages from 'talktalk'
customers. :(

--
Jim the Geordie

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On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 23:52:17 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

In article <20240825.164043.c49033ea@mixmin.net>, noreply@mixmin.net
says...

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:28:49 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS
service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

don't know, but would recommend <news:news.admin.net-abuse.email> for
eliciting their expertise in such matters ...
certainly any intended recipients of email should be expecting it, or
would probably click their "spam" button to avoid the risk of opening
it; current members on any mailing list should be notified in advance
of a host/smtp server change, because it really is a jungle out there
see also:
https://www.spamhaus.org/
https://www.spamcop.net/
https://www.mailop.org/

Progress so far
Google did not like it when I tried to post to 199 Bcc addresses so I
split them into three similar groups.
That seemed to work Okay until I got error messages from 'talktalk' >customers. :(

another idea that might work for promoting events etc., is to post an
on-topic article to a newsgroup listed on the rocksolid light backend
server https://news.novabbs.org/common/grouplist.php, which is easily accessible to anyone using a web browser; e.g. maybe "alt.life.sucks", "uk.people.silversurfers", where complaints about anything whatsoever,
bulk email troubles for example, could be ideal? "uk.food+drink.misc", "uk.d-i-y", or maybe some group in "rec.arts.*" or "rec.music.* might
fit your "heads-up" discussions? if so, once those "about 200 members"
find out where to find your current messages on-line using a web link, https://news.novabbs.org/arts/thread.php?group=rocksolid.shared.entertainment for another example, that would solve the bulk email problem once and
for all (ixnay on the amspay)... just blurting out thoughts, as usual

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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

Google did not like it when I tried to post to 199 Bcc addresses so I
split them into three similar groups.

What did you specify in the From header? Although BCC can be used to
hide recipients from each other, often something must be specified in
the From header.

That seemed to work Okay until I got error messages from 'talktalk' customers. :(

I'm guessing their flooding filter is what nailed you. From before:

"In addition, any receiving mail server can detect how many of the
[nearly] same messages were sent to them by the same sending mail
server (or sender)*".

* Updated the flooding reject criteria in this reply.

Lots of receiving mail server have anti-flooding criteria to prevent
just what you're trying to do for lots of recipients at the same server.

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Jack <noreply@mandrill.com> wrote:

On 25/08/2024 12:28, Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS
service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

You can create a free account with brevo and send 300 emails per day in
your thunderbird or Microsoft outlook client.

You get SMTP server and you can use your custom email. I use it all the
time even for gmail, yahoo, AOL or outlook.com accounts. Because you can
use email client, you can customise many things including From and reply
to addresses.

<https://www.brevo.com/pricing/>

The problem with either Gmail's max recipient per day or Brevo's is that
once the bulk mailing is sent then you have less quota left. With
Gmail, the OP's 200 recipient count would leave him 300 recipients for
the rest of that day. With Brevo, the 200 recipient bulk mailing leaves
him with 100 for the rest of that day. If you don't send many personal non-bulk e-mails, the remainder may be sufficient for repeated use on
the same day. If the OP ever sent out 2 bulk mailings per day, he'd
still have about 100 left that day, but his 2nd bulk mailing would hit
Brevo's daily limit: he would be trying to send 400 e-mails with a 300
per day quota. Of course, he could do one bulk mailing to 200 using
Brevo, and another bulk mailing to another 200 using Gmail.

When using Brevo's SMTP server, you would need to configure your local
e-mail client to specify valid From or Reply-To headers.

From Brevo's pricing page, they will watermark all your outbound bulk
mails. Watermarking will likely spur some recipients to report the
e-mails as spam. Removing the branding requires a paid Brevo account.

I didn't see an automated opt-out mechanism for contact management at
Brevo in the pricing page nor at:

https://www.brevo.com/pricing/marketing-platform/see-all-features/

That is, you compile a mailing list, but get entries removed (without
the account owner's intervention) either due to NDRs (Non-Delivery
Reports) meaning the recipient(s) were invalid or undefined at the
receiving mail server, or the recipient can click on a hyperlink in the received bulk mail that will register an opt-out request to the sending
mail server. Seems the Brevo account owner would have to monitor the
results of the bulk mailing to check for NDRs, and to check for opt-out requests from recipients. The Brevo, Gmail, or owner of the sending
mail service would have to monitor the account, or to wherever the From
or Reply-To fields point in the received bulk mails, to check for
opt-out requests. Without logging of a mail session, there would be no
way to check for NDRs.

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In article <20240826.013604.07355814@mixmin.net>, noreply@mixmin.net
says...

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 23:52:17 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

In article <20240825.164043.c49033ea@mixmin.net>, noreply@mixmin.net >says...

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:28:49 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail, >> >they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS >> >service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

don't know, but would recommend <news:news.admin.net-abuse.email> for
eliciting their expertise in such matters ...
certainly any intended recipients of email should be expecting it, or
would probably click their "spam" button to avoid the risk of opening
it; current members on any mailing list should be notified in advance
of a host/smtp server change, because it really is a jungle out there
see also:
https://www.spamhaus.org/
https://www.spamcop.net/
https://www.mailop.org/

Progress so far
Google did not like it when I tried to post to 199 Bcc addresses so I
split them into three similar groups.
That seemed to work Okay until I got error messages from 'talktalk' >customers. :(

another idea that might work for promoting events etc., is to post an on-topic article to a newsgroup listed on the rocksolid light backend
server https://news.novabbs.org/common/grouplist.php, which is easily accessible to anyone using a web browser; e.g. maybe "alt.life.sucks", "uk.people.silversurfers", where complaints about anything whatsoever,
bulk email troubles for example, could be ideal? "uk.food+drink.misc", "uk.d-i-y", or maybe some group in "rec.arts.*" or "rec.music.* might
fit your "heads-up" discussions? if so, once those "about 200 members"
find out where to find your current messages on-line using a web link, https://news.novabbs.org/arts/thread.php?group=rocksolid.shared.entertainment for another example, that would solve the bulk email problem once and
for all (ixnay on the amspay)... just blurting out thoughts, as usual

The thought of our ageing audience knowing what a newsgroup is, brings a
smile,

--
Jim the Geordie

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In article <1wb6fjaakxkcv.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...

Jack <noreply@mandrill.com> wrote:

On 25/08/2024 12:28, Jim the Geordie wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS >> service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?

You can create a free account with brevo and send 300 emails per day in your thunderbird or Microsoft outlook client.

You get SMTP server and you can use your custom email. I use it all the time even for gmail, yahoo, AOL or outlook.com accounts. Because you can use email client, you can customise many things including From and reply
to addresses.

<https://www.brevo.com/pricing/>

The problem with either Gmail's max recipient per day or Brevo's is that
once the bulk mailing is sent then you have less quota left. With
Gmail, the OP's 200 recipient count would leave him 300 recipients for
the rest of that day. With Brevo, the 200 recipient bulk mailing leaves
him with 100 for the rest of that day. If you don't send many personal non-bulk e-mails, the remainder may be sufficient for repeated use on
the same day. If the OP ever sent out 2 bulk mailings per day, he'd
still have about 100 left that day, but his 2nd bulk mailing would hit Brevo's daily limit: he would be trying to send 400 e-mails with a 300
per day quota. Of course, he could do one bulk mailing to 200 using
Brevo, and another bulk mailing to another 200 using Gmail.

When using Brevo's SMTP server, you would need to configure your local
e-mail client to specify valid From or Reply-To headers.

From Brevo's pricing page, they will watermark all your outbound bulk
mails. Watermarking will likely spur some recipients to report the
e-mails as spam. Removing the branding requires a paid Brevo account.

I didn't see an automated opt-out mechanism for contact management at
Brevo in the pricing page nor at:

I'm talking ~200, once a month!

--
Jim the Geordie

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In message <vahfmm$263iu$2@paganini.bofh.team>, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> writes
<snip>

The thought of our ageing audience knowing what a newsgroup is, brings
a smile,

Nowadays the elderly are far more likely to know what a newsgroup is
than the young are..
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 09:51:33 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

In article <20240826.013604.07355814@mixmin.net>, noreply@mixmin.net says... >> On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 23:52:17 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

In article <20240825.164043.c49033ea@mixmin.net>, noreply@mixmin.net says...

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:28:49 +0100, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

I have a domain and a hosted website with email.

snip

Progress so far
Google did not like it when I tried to post to 199 Bcc addresses so I
split them into three similar groups.
That seemed to work Okay until I got error messages from 'talktalk'
customers. :(

another idea that might work for promoting events etc., is to post an
on-topic article to a newsgroup listed on the rocksolid light backend
server https://news.novabbs.org/common/grouplist.php, which is easily
accessible to anyone using a web browser; e.g. maybe "alt.life.sucks",
"uk.people.silversurfers", where complaints about anything whatsoever,
bulk email troubles for example, could be ideal? "uk.food+drink.misc",
"uk.d-i-y", or maybe some group in "rec.arts.*" or "rec.music.* might
fit your "heads-up" discussions? if so, once those "about 200 members"
find out where to find your current messages on-line using a web link,
https://news.novabbs.org/arts/thread.php?group=rocksolid.shared.entertainment
for another example, that would solve the bulk email problem once and
for all (ixnay on the amspay)... just blurting out thoughts, as usual

The thought of our ageing audience knowing what a newsgroup is, brings a >smile,

rocksolid runs in any web browser, including tor browser which makes it
more secure...and many usenet news servers carry most of the newsgroups
listed at https://news.novabbs.org/common/grouplist.php, so posting can
be done from any newsserver, including gateways and anonymous remailers,
so anyone visiting the "novabbs" website https://news.novabbs.org/ will
be able to find articles posted there; and if desired can register with username, email, password: https://news.novabbs.org/common/register.php
to enable posting using the web browser (no need for usenet newsreader)

(using Tor Browser 13.5.2)
https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light

rocksolid-light
user avatar
Merge branch 'devel'
Retro_Guy authored 1 hour ago
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Project information
Rocksolid Light is a web based forum using nntp as a backend. It may be run >as a standalone server, or may synchronize with other nntp servers and other >instances of Rocksolid Light.
Name Last commit Last update >Rocksolid_Light Add short delay when using nntp.reload 16 hours ago
to allow port to be released before
trying to bind again.
INSTALL.md Add memcache support (starting with 3 months ago
np_get_db_article)
LICENSE.md Fix copywrite date in license.md. 11 months ago >README.md Bring README a bit up to date. 1 year ago >README.md >https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light/-/blob/master/README.md?ref_type=heads
...
Rocksolid Light (rslight) - a web based Usenet news client
Visit https://www.novabbs.com to try Rocksolid Light
Rocksolid Light is based on NewsPortal, which discontinued development in 2008,
and was developed by Florian Amrhein https://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal/ >rslight contains some major code and feature changes, but would not exist >without NewsPortal as a basis for development.
Rocksolid Light is a php web forum interface that basically uses nntp as a >backend. Forums can be Usenet newsgroups, or any groups you wish to create. >Forums can be synchronized with other rslight installs, or other nntp servers.
*Uses sqlite3 database. No configuration required
*Does not require Javascript
*Built in nntp server
*Synchronize with inn or another rslight site, or run standalone
*Read and post using a news client
*SSL encryption
*Tested with Claws Mail, Thunderbird, Knews, tin, Pan and some others
*NoCeM and Spamassassin support
*Message expiration by site or by group
*Send/Receive mail to/from users at other Rocksolid Light sites
*Search article bodies
*Display body snippet in overboard and search results
*Email authentication if enabled
*Protect poster email addresses if enabled
*Interface works reasonably well on small devices
*Colors in CSS are in a separate file for easy testing and modification *Groups can be renamed for cleaner display
*Configuration options may be set for each individual 'section'
See INSTALL.md for installation instructions.
If you have trouble, post to rocksolid.nodes.help (www.novabbs.com) and
we'll try to help.
Retro Guy retroguy@novabbs.com

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On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 23:28:03 +0100, Paula Vennells wrote:

[snip]

You better find this this out before uttering further nonsense here.
Post Offices around the world are going bankrupt because not enough
people are using their services.

I got a personal letter in the mail last week. It had been years since
that happened.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in
philosophy only ridiculous." [David Hume, Treatise of Human Nature
(1739)]

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