Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China. Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

Many thanks,
-T

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T wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China.  Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

Many thanks,
-T

Check on fedoraproject.org. They actually have a forum. It's probably
better than usenet.

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On Fri, 8/23/2024 7:01 PM, T wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China.  Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

Many thanks,
-T

My NEC monitor is around 20 years old. It's made it
along, long enough, the CCFL tubes are entering the
brown state (intensity is down a bit). The inverter
on it, is likely to be piezo type.

I'm typing this on an Acer monitor. Seems reasonably
well behaved. The other Acer, the newer Acer, the HDMI port
is picky about its friends. Since it has HDMI and VGA,
I have options (thank goodness).

All electronics eventually devolve the same way.
A big factory, actually makes the items. Intermediaries
slap their name on the item and sell it. The quality then,
is partially out of their hands. Some companies go to
the trouble of spelling out all their requirements
and then inspecting the item when it comes in, and the
price might be marginally higher to achieve that level
of control. Others who deal in contract items, just don't
care about their name/reputation being ruined.

Does Dell make its own monitors ? Or does a large factory
somewhere make the thing for them ?

As an illustration of my shocked face, years ago I bought
two sound cards. Each had unique branding on the outside,
implying the sound cards I had bought, would have nothing
in common.

When I got them home, the cards of course can be visually
verified. Each had an inspection sticker on it. The two cards ?
Had *identical* inspection stickers. The two cards had come
from the *same* factory.

Stereo equipment also went this way. You could have two brands
which publicly seemed to be "at each others throats". Yet,
inside the devices, they bore marks of the items having
come from the same factory.

So while it is fun to pretend we can identify a "quality"
supplier, for the most part I consider such an exercise
with electronics to be "delusional". We don't know where
the stuff comes from. Only a review or pictures of
the innards, might serve to improve our discrimination.

If Seasonic offers a cheap power supply, it did not come
from a Seasonic factory. Just about all the power supply
companies, have the option of contracting out their cheese
flavored item to the lowest bidder. There have also been
suppliers who contract out all their stuff (Antec using
ChannelWell CWT, previously might have been HEC). This is
why we used to have a couple web pages that warned about
who made what and what to expect.

Paul

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:01:15 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

You only hear from the people who have problems, rarely from those who
don't.

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On 8/24/2024 2:21 AM, Paul wrote:

On Fri, 8/23/2024 7:01 PM, T wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China.  Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

Many thanks,
-T

My NEC monitor is around 20 years old. It's made it
along, long enough, the CCFL tubes are entering the
brown state (intensity is down a bit). The inverter
on it, is likely to be piezo type.

I'm typing this on an Acer monitor. Seems reasonably
well behaved. The other Acer, the newer Acer, the HDMI port
is picky about its friends. Since it has HDMI and VGA,
I have options (thank goodness).

All electronics eventually devolve the same way.
A big factory, actually makes the items. Intermediaries
slap their name on the item and sell it. The quality then,
is partially out of their hands. Some companies go to
the trouble of spelling out all their requirements
and then inspecting the item when it comes in, and the
price might be marginally higher to achieve that level
of control. Others who deal in contract items, just don't
care about their name/reputation being ruined.

Does Dell make its own monitors ? Or does a large factory
somewhere make the thing for them ?

As an illustration of my shocked face, years ago I bought
two sound cards. Each had unique branding on the outside,
implying the sound cards I had bought, would have nothing
in common.

When I got them home, the cards of course can be visually
verified. Each had an inspection sticker on it. The two cards ?
Had *identical* inspection stickers. The two cards had come
from the *same* factory.

Stereo equipment also went this way. You could have two brands
which publicly seemed to be "at each others throats". Yet,
inside the devices, they bore marks of the items having
come from the same factory.

So while it is fun to pretend we can identify a "quality"
supplier, for the most part I consider such an exercise
with electronics to be "delusional". We don't know where
the stuff comes from. Only a review or pictures of
the innards, might serve to improve our discrimination.

If Seasonic offers a cheap power supply, it did not come
from a Seasonic factory. Just about all the power supply
companies, have the option of contracting out their cheese
flavored item to the lowest bidder. There have also been
suppliers who contract out all their stuff (Antec using
ChannelWell CWT, previously might have been HEC). This is
why we used to have a couple web pages that warned about
who made what and what to expect.

Paul

That makes me recall plant visits during undergraduate college days
about 1958. Mechanical Engineering so we were looking at the machinery
to make things and went to a vacuum tube plant. That was a complicated
and expensive machine in those days so before being setup they called
around to all the companies that sold a given tube and the only
difference became the rubber stamp to mark the tube and the boxes they
were packed in as they were produced.

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:01:15 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I use an Asus ProArt 24" monitor. It was about $200 1-2 yrs ago. It is
1920 x 1200 (16x10), not the usual 1920 x 1080 (16x9) .

I had purchased an earlier version of the same monitor and it lasted
8-10 yrs before the power button failed. The monitor itself would run
fine if I could get the power button to work, but it would not stay
"on". As today's cost of repairing electronics is $100+/hour PLUS
parts, I just got a new version monitor of the same monitor--same
specs and mfr. Works great so far.It also comes in a bigger screen
(27") as well, but I find the 24" comfortable to view and can see the
entire screen without having to sit further away.

Amazon sold it, and so did MicroCenter.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:16:06 +0100, Peter
Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:01:15 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

You only hear from the people who have problems, rarely from those who
don't.

Exactly. I have a 19" Dell monitor for the last 10 years that got at
a hamfest for $20. I dont' know how old it was when I bought it. It has
a couple scratches on the screen but I can only see them when the screen
is off or blank. With anything else on the screen, I can't even find
the scratches.

Every few months I wish I could make the brightness higher, but that's
usually some night scene that maybe was meant to be dark.

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On 08/24/2024 11:12 AM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:16:06 +0100, Peter
Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:01:15 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

You only hear from the people who have problems, rarely from those who
don't.

Exactly. I have a 19" Dell monitor for the last 10 years that got at
a hamfest for $20. I dont' know how old it was when I bought it. It has
a couple scratches on the screen but I can only see them when the screen
is off or blank. With anything else on the screen, I can't even find
the scratches.

Every few months I wish I could make the brightness higher, but that's usually some night scene that maybe was meant to be dark.

I have been using HP monitors for 30 years. I have never had one fail.

Currently have an HP Pavilion 25xi. It was purchased in Aug 2015, and
has been used daily. Since my wife uses to display photos that I have
taken for references for her paintings, it is on an average of 8 hours
per day through out that period.

It is a 25" monitor has full HD (1080p) 1920 X 1080 contrast ratio
1000:1 Dynamic 10000000:1

If it has de gradated, neither my wife or I have noticed it.

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In article <vab4br$10vv3$9@dont-email.me>,
T@invalid.invalid says...

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China. Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

Many thanks,
-T

I don't know how reliable this information is, but here
is what I found:

https://whomakehub.com/who-makes-dell-monitors/

China.

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On 8/24/24 14:46, jason_warren wrote:

In article <vab4br$10vv3$9@dont-email.me>,
T@invalid.invalid says...

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China. Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

Many thanks,
-T

I don't know how reliable this information is, but here
is what I found:

https://whomakehub.com/who-makes-dell-monitors/

China.

I have been looking at viewsonic. I believe they are made
in Free China (Taiwan). Free China makes some really
high quality stuff, especially motherboards.

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On 8/23/2024 7:01 PM, T wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China.  Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

I'm no expert, but when I researched the best monitor for a
reasonable price some time ago I ended up getting a Dell
P2719H. A 27" monitor. I wanted to be sure to get an IPS monitor.
Aside from that I didn't need the top model. I think it
was about $200. ($340 now!) I'm very happy with it. I have
it mounted on a drawer slide, which is mounted to the bottom
of a bookshelf. So I can slide it closer or further easily. I like
good ergonomics. The inf file for driver install says 1/2018.
I probably bought it about 3 years ago, but it might have
been longer.

Manufacture? I'd guess China. Very few things these days are
made without exploiting virtual slave labor. That's why shirts
cost $20 instead of $200.

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On Sat, 8/24/2024 11:19 PM, Newyana2 wrote:

On 8/23/2024 7:01 PM, T wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know who the monitor manufacturers are that
make monitors that have long lifespans?

I searched on the web and was disappointed on how many
reviews were just shills for folks I know do now make
good stuff.

Be nice if they were not make in communist China.  Free
China (Taiwan), South Koren, USA, Germany would be nice.

  I'm no expert, but when I researched the best monitor for a
reasonable price some time ago I ended up getting a Dell
P2719H. A 27" monitor. I wanted to be sure to get an IPS monitor.
Aside from that I didn't need the top model. I think it
was about $200. ($340 now!) I'm very happy with it. I have
it mounted on a drawer slide, which is mounted to the bottom
of a bookshelf. So I can slide it closer or further easily. I like
good ergonomics. The inf file for driver install says 1/2018.
I probably bought it about 3 years ago, but it might have
been longer.

  Manufacture? I'd guess China. Very few things these days are
made without exploiting virtual slave labor. That's why shirts
cost $20 instead of $200.

There used to be parts of monitors, known for shoddy workmanship.

There used to be "power supply boards" inside monitors. The
monitor would have a male power connector for the line cord,
and on the other side of the mains connector, was a SMPS board
that made supply voltages.

You will notice today, monitors use a wall adapter (with extremely
thin output wires!), which makes +12V or +19VDC or so. This is
fed into the panel. Buck converters (smaller than the components
on the power supply board), make local power sources. This
trades the unreliability of the power supply board, for the
reliability of wall adapters.

We now use LEDs instead of CCFL tubes. On CCFL tubes, the inverter
board could fail. The CCFL tubes would last for around 25000 hours
or so, before they turn brown (hardly anyone had a monitor last
long enough for the tubes to go). But LEDs also drop in intensity as
time passes.

A recent article, notes that some illumination sources today, are
melting the plastic near the diffuser that lights the back of the
panel. This is the normal sort of edge-lit display (lit with LEDs).
Not enough consideration goes into thermals on these things,
and it likely is much worse on big big panels.

Some panels are zone lit. We don't much care about that (improves
contrast for movie playback), but a side benefit might be
a more uniform dissipation of heat. But a zone lit panel would
cost a fortune, so nobody here is going to own one.

You can identify some areas of interest, and how they modified
the build so it was less likely to break. The bad capacitor
era was murder on wheels, for power supply boards. Some monitor models,
every monitor was doomed to have a power supply board failure,
due to the leaking caps provided. It was just a matter of time.

Paul

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