T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Using web.archive.org, I looked at cached copies of that web page. A
year ago (Aug 2, 2023), the page offered an update link, and a link to
the MCT (Media Creation Tool). The "More download options" link today
and a year ago are worthless as it does not present a list of prior builds/versions of Windows 10. Another year back, and the web page
looked the same: link to update, and link to MCT.

I haven't used the MCT for several years. I don't remember if it
retrieved whatever was the latest version of Windows, or if it offered a
choice of older builds. Since 22H2 is the latest build, and that is
what you want, the MCT should provide you the means to get that build.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-download-a-windows-10-iso-file-without-using-the-media-creation-tool/

That describes how to make the web site think you are not using a web
client on Windows which then has the refreshed web page present a drop
down box of other choices. However, all you might see is what Microsoft
is currently supporting, not older and unsupported builds.

For an ancient build, I did find:

https://archive.org/details/microsoft-windows-10-1607-oct-2016-64-bit

I didn't walk back farther than 2 years when I looked there. That link
goes back 8 years. Hiedoc has an ISO downloader, but I've never used it
to know if it works, or still works.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-iso-download-tool

You aren't trying to get old builds. The MCT should deliver 22H2 to
you. Why not use the MCT?

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T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Damn, if you're running linux, why do you want an old version of microsoft windows? Isn't that a sacrilege? Shame on you.

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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Using web.archive.org, I looked at cached copies of that web page. A
year ago (Aug 2, 2023), the page offered an update link, and a link to
the MCT (Media Creation Tool). The "More download options" link today
and a year ago are worthless as it does not present a list of prior builds/versions of Windows 10. Another year back, and the web page
looked the same: link to update, and link to MCT.

I haven't used the MCT for several years. I don't remember if it
retrieved whatever was the latest version of Windows, or if it offered a choice of older builds. Since 22H2 is the latest build, and that is
what you want, the MCT should provide you the means to get that build.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-download-a-windows-10-iso-file-without-using-the-media-creation-tool/

That describes how to make the web site think you are not using a web
client on Windows which then has the refreshed web page present a drop
down box of other choices. However, all you might see is what Microsoft
is currently supporting, not older and unsupported builds.

For an ancient build, I did find:

https://archive.org/details/microsoft-windows-10-1607-oct-2016-64-bit

I didn't walk back farther than 2 years when I looked there. That link
goes back 8 years. Hiedoc has an ISO downloader, but I've never used it
to know if it works, or still works.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-iso-download-tool

You aren't trying to get old builds. The MCT should deliver 22H2 to
you. Why not use the MCT?

This made me realize the DVD for Win10 install had an 1809 ISO on it (10.0.17763.1), so it's old. I'll run the MCT to get the 22H2 build (19045.4780).

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On 8/21/24 16:05, Hank Rogers wrote:

T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Damn, if you're running linux, why do you want an old version of
microsoft windows? Isn't that a sacrilege?  Shame on you.

Well stated!

I support Linux, Windows, Dos, Mac OS. I carry
several ISO with me to customer sites, including
Dos 6.22

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On 8/21/24 15:48, VanguardLH wrote:

Using web.archive.org, I looked at cached copies of that web page. A
year ago (Aug 2, 2023), the page offered an update link, and a link to
the MCT (Media Creation Tool). The "More download options" link today
and a year ago are worthless as it does not present a list of prior builds/versions of Windows 10. Another year back, and the web page
looked the same: link to update, and link to MCT.

The direct ISO download never did show if you logged into
the site with Windows. Logging in with Linux, it did show.

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Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

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On 8/21/24 15:48, VanguardLH wrote:

Why not use the MCT?

I am a linux house.

I have a vm of w10, but it is a pain in the
ass to use the MCT tool on it.

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On 8/21/24 16:11, T wrote:

On 8/21/24 16:05, Hank Rogers wrote:

T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Damn, if you're running linux, why do you want an old version of
microsoft windows? Isn't that a sacrilege?  Shame on you.

Well stated!

I support Linux, Windows, Dos, Mac OS.  I carry
several ISO with me to customer sites, including
Dos 6.22

It's a living.

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On 8/21/24 16:11, T wrote:

On 8/21/24 16:05, Hank Rogers wrote:

T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Damn, if you're running linux, why do you want an old version of
microsoft windows? Isn't that a sacrilege?  Shame on you.

Well stated!

I support Linux, Windows, Dos, Mac OS.  I carry
several ISO with me to customer sites, including
Dos 6.22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyxJ7GKGFG0

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On 8/21/24 16:04, T wrote:

On 8/21/24 15:48, VanguardLH wrote:

Why not use the MCT?

I am a linux house.

I have a vm of w10, but it is a pain in the
ass to use the MCT tool on it.

And it is slower than ...

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On 8/21/24 16:05, Hank Rogers wrote:

Damn, if you're running linux, why do you want an old version of
microsoft windows? Isn't that a sacrilege?  Shame on you.

When I finally retire, M$ and all its corresponding
garbage is so, so gone! I hope to never, never
see Windows again!

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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Using web.archive.org, I looked at cached copies of that web page. A
year ago (Aug 2, 2023), the page offered an update link, and a link to
the MCT (Media Creation Tool). The "More download options" link today
and a year ago are worthless as it does not present a list of prior
builds/versions of Windows 10. Another year back, and the web page
looked the same: link to update, and link to MCT.

I haven't used the MCT for several years. I don't remember if it
retrieved whatever was the latest version of Windows, or if it offered a
choice of older builds. Since 22H2 is the latest build, and that is
what you want, the MCT should provide you the means to get that build.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-download-a-windows-10-iso-file-without-using-the-media-creation-tool/

That describes how to make the web site think you are not using a web
client on Windows which then has the refreshed web page present a drop
down box of other choices. However, all you might see is what Microsoft
is currently supporting, not older and unsupported builds.

For an ancient build, I did find:

https://archive.org/details/microsoft-windows-10-1607-oct-2016-64-bit

I didn't walk back farther than 2 years when I looked there. That link
goes back 8 years. Hiedoc has an ISO downloader, but I've never used it
to know if it works, or still works.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-iso-download-tool

You aren't trying to get old builds. The MCT should deliver 22H2 to
you. Why not use the MCT?

This made me realize the DVD for Win10 install had an 1809 ISO on it (10.0.17763.1), so it's old. I'll run the MCT to get the 22H2 build (19045.4780).

I just now used the MCT tool to build the windows.iso file. A bit too
big for a DVD-R, so had to use a BD-R. Not wasting a USB drive on this.
MCT creates an .iso file that I then copy or burn elsewhere. Opening
it, and looking at properties on the setup.exe says it is for
10.0.19041.1 which is the 2004 build (April 2020). Geez, I was hoping
MCT would give me the 22H2 build.

dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:f:\sources\install.esd
(f: is my BD disc drive, my ISO had an .esd file instead of a .wim file)

just lists the editions (Home, Pro, Education, etc) available in the ISO
which depends on the product key you enter when validating the install.
Since my license is for Home which is the first indexed edition in the
above command, I then ran:

dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:f:\sources\install.esd /index:1

which shows:

Version : 10.0.19041
ServicePack Build : 3803
ServicePack Level : 0

Turns out 19041 version (for the 2004 build) is misleading. The core of
all versions since 2004 is 19041. Apparently the 3803 service pack
level is for the 22H2 build.

God, I had having to drink Microsoft's muddy waters for information.

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On 8/21/24 17:35, sticks wrote:

On 8/21/2024 7:26 PM, T wrote:

I have USBV3 6GB flash drive I adore for this purpose.

You really should stop using "adore" in this fashion.  It sounds a
little silly.  Find another verb.

I use "adore" instead of "love", as "love"
seems even worse
Which one do you prefer?
https://www.freethesaurus.com/adore

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On 8/21/24 17:22, VanguardLH wrote:

Not wasting a USB drive on this.
MCT creates an .iso file that I then copy or burn elsewhere

I have USBV3 6GB flash drive I adore for this purpose.

When using them with my VM's, my VM allows me to mount
the ISO's as CDROM drives

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On 8/21/2024 6:17 PM, T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Use the luxury approach:

github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat

It's a beautiful tool that lets you pick any version
of 10 or 11 and write it to USB or save as ISO.

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On 8/21/2024 7:26 PM, T wrote:

I have USBV3 6GB flash drive I adore for this purpose.

You really should stop using "adore" in this fashion. It sounds a
little silly. Find another verb.


--
Stand With Israel!

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On 8/21/24 17:49, Newyana2 wrote:

On 8/21/2024 6:17 PM, T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Use the luxury approach:

github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat

It's a beautiful tool that lets you pick any version
of 10 or 11 and write it to USB or save as ISO.

Awesome Thank you!

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On Wed, 8/21/2024 8:40 PM, T wrote:

On 8/21/24 17:35, sticks wrote:

On 8/21/2024 7:26 PM, T wrote:

I have USBV3 6GB flash drive I adore for this purpose.

You really should stop using "adore" in this fashion.  It sounds a little silly.  Find another verb.

I use "adore" instead of "love", as "love"
seems even worse
Which one do you prefer?
https://www.freethesaurus.com/adore

"I have USBV3 6GB flash drive I like for this purpose."

And it could be an 8GB drive, because a lot of designs
have the intention of supporting power-of-two. I have
only one 8GB USB flash here, and it is dual channel with
two 4GB chips. Like a turtle, it is "slow but steady
wins the race".

Paul

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T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 8/21/24 15:48, VanguardLH wrote:

Using web.archive.org, I looked at cached copies of that web page. A
year ago (Aug 2, 2023), the page offered an update link, and a link to
the MCT (Media Creation Tool). The "More download options" link today
and a year ago are worthless as it does not present a list of prior builds/versions of Windows 10. Another year back, and the web page
looked the same: link to update, and link to MCT.

The direct ISO download never did show if you logged into
the site with Windows. Logging in with Linux, it did show.

Same in macOS.
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On 8/21/24 17:49, Newyana2 wrote:

On 8/21/2024 6:17 PM, T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Use the luxury approach:

github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat

It's a beautiful tool that lets you pick any version
of 10 or 11 and write it to USB or save as ISO.

I just fire it up. I LOVE this program!!!! ThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYou

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On 8/21/24 17:22, VanguardLH wrote:

dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:f:\sources\install.esd

Thank you!

dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:g:\sources\install.esd

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.19041.844

Details for image : g:\sources\install.esd

Index : 1
Name : Windows 10 Home
Description : Windows 10 Home
Size : 15,489,142,996 bytes

Index : 2
Name : Windows 10 Home N
Description : Windows 10 Home N
Size : 14,716,766,977 bytes

Index : 3
Name : Windows 10 Home Single Language
Description : Windows 10 Home Single Language
Size : 15,470,244,213 bytes

Index : 4
Name : Windows 10 Education
Description : Windows 10 Education
Size : 15,722,347,443 bytes

Index : 5
Name : Windows 10 Education N
Description : Windows 10 Education N
Size : 14,953,374,712 bytes

Index : 6
Name : Windows 10 Pro
Description : Windows 10 Pro
Size : 15,720,710,878 bytes

Index : 7
Name : Windows 10 Pro N
Description : Windows 10 Pro N
Size : 14,955,666,348 bytes

The operation completed successfully.

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[snip]

I just now used the MCT tool to build the windows.iso file. A bit too
big for a DVD-R, so had to use a BD-R. Not wasting a USB drive on this.
MCT creates an .iso file that I then copy or burn elsewhere. Opening
it, and looking at properties on the setup.exe says it is for
10.0.19041.1 which is the 2004 build (April 2020). Geez, I was hoping
MCT would give me the 22H2 build.

IIRC, I've never used MCT. Since my Win10/Win11 installations are on VM,
hat can be set to act as if the DVD is inserted without using any physical media for it.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

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Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

IIRC, I've never used MCT. Since my Win10/Win11 installations are on VM,
hat can be set to act as if the DVD is inserted without using any physical media for it.

Microsoft supplies VMs with evaluation images of the Enterprise edition pre-installed for development purposes.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines/

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On Fri, 8/23/2024 6:35 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

I just now used the MCT tool to build the windows.iso file. A bit too
big for a DVD-R, so had to use a BD-R. Not wasting a USB drive on this.
MCT creates an .iso file that I then copy or burn elsewhere. Opening
it, and looking at properties on the setup.exe says it is for
10.0.19041.1 which is the 2004 build (April 2020). Geez, I was hoping
MCT would give me the 22H2 build.

IIRC, I've never used MCT. Since my Win10/Win11 installations are on VM,
hat can be set to act as if the DVD is inserted without using any physical media for it.

[snip]

You can do Repair Installs or Upgrade Installs, by right-clicking
the ISO file and selecting Mount from the menu (at the top),
then run Setup.exe off the virtual DVD.

Only Clean Installs need physical media.

Paul

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On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 01:25:16 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

IIRC, I've never used MCT. Since my Win10/Win11 installations are on
VM, hat can be set to act as if the DVD is inserted without using any
physical media for it.

Microsoft supplies VMs with evaluation images of the Enterprise edition pre-installed for development purposes.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-

machines/

I have used some of those images, for testing my website on IE version 9
and greater. (lower versions I have in XP).

BTW, I'm getting less interested in IE (this includes the Win10-only UWP versions but not Chromium Edge).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?" [Art Hoppe]

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[snip]

You can do Repair Installs or Upgrade Installs, by right-clicking the
ISO file and selecting Mount from the menu (at the top), then run
Setup.exe off the virtual DVD.

Only Clean Installs need physical media.

On real hardware. They don't on a Virtual Machine.

Paul

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?" [Art Hoppe]

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On Sun, 8/25/2024 4:16 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

You can do Repair Installs or Upgrade Installs, by right-clicking the
ISO file and selecting Mount from the menu (at the top), then run
Setup.exe off the virtual DVD.

Only Clean Installs need physical media.

On real hardware. They don't on a Virtual Machine.

The point is, you don't need physical media very often.
Even on real hardware, it is hardly ever needed.

If you're a traveling computer repair guy, then you can
use physical media in your kit bag of DVDs.

Paul

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On 8/25/24 20:23, Paul wrote:

If you're a traveling computer repair guy, then you can
use physical media in your kit bag of DVDs.

I have not used DVD's in years. I do carry about



25 USB
sticks not-a-days.

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On 8/21/24 15:17, T wrote:

Am I blind or did M$ remove the ability for me to
directly download the 22H2 ISO from

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

???

It use to be if you came in to that web site from Linux,
it would give you that ability

-T

Follow up:

I figured it out. I have been using a Firefox plug in
called User Agent Switcher. Have no paid attention
to it for years because everyone using java script for that
and not the use agent now-a-days and the plug in is pretty
much useless. I have it set on default, which should
have been Fedora Linux, but apparently not.

Apparently, M$ thought I was on Windows. So I remove the
plug in and happy camping has returned.

Thank you for all the help!

-T

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