Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
T wrote:
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
I think the upgrade isn't free any more, so you may have to buy a key
(there are some cheap ones that seem to work OK).
You can probably do an "upgrade install", and can select to keep all
your current stuff.
But win 10 ends support in about a year, so you might want to consider
win 11. It's likely that your machine is "unsupported" by win 11, but
there are many workarounds. The easiest one is by using rufus to
generate your installation usb drive, using an ISO downloaded from
microsoft. Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian
microsoft requirements.
There is a ton of info about this on the net, so I suggest you google a
bit.
On 8/21/24 16:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
I think the upgrade isn't free any more, so you may have to buy a key
(there are some cheap ones that seem to work OK).
You can probably do an "upgrade install", and can select to keep all your
current stuff.
But win 10 ends support in about a year, so you might want to consider
win 11. It's likely that your machine is "unsupported" by win 11, but
there are many workarounds. The easiest one is by using rufus to generate
your installation usb drive, using an ISO downloaded from microsoft.
Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian microsoft
requirements.
There is a ton of info about this on the net, so I suggest you google a bit. >>
Can anyone remove the "probably"?
On 8/21/24 16:01, Hank Rogers wrote:an ISO downloaded from microsoft. Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian microsoft requirements.
T wrote:
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
I think the upgrade isn't free any more, so you may have to buy a key (there are some cheap ones that seem to work OK).
You can probably do an "upgrade install", and can select to keep all your current stuff.
But win 10 ends support in about a year, so you might want to consider win 11. It's likely that your machine is "unsupported" by win 11, but there are many workarounds. The easiest one is by using rufus to generate your installation usb drive, using
There is a ton of info about this on the net, so I suggest you google a bit. >>
Can anyone remove the "probably"?
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
I talked about Linux to him, but he want M$ Office
and due to his age, "can't learn anything new".
Pity, because both Libre Office and Only Office
are pretty decent now.
You should give his money back and just tell him you can't help him, and
you were unable to get any help from usenet.
On Wed, 8/21/2024 7:08 PM, T wrote:an ISO downloaded from microsoft. Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian microsoft requirements.
On 8/21/24 16:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
I think the upgrade isn't free any more, so you may have to buy a key (there are some cheap ones that seem to work OK).
You can probably do an "upgrade install", and can select to keep all your current stuff.
But win 10 ends support in about a year, so you might want to consider win 11. It's likely that your machine is "unsupported" by win 11, but there are many workarounds. The easiest one is by using rufus to generate your installation usb drive, using
There is a ton of info about this on the net, so I suggest you google a bit.
Can anyone remove the "probably"?
The free upgrade from W7-W10 is now closed.
You can upgrade-install (run setup.exe off the mounted ISO) but
the OS will then not be licensed and the Personalize menu won't
work. You will need to buy a license. The programs would be
preserved, the user data is kept. The installer will warn if
you have an older VirtualBox, and you might need to upgrade that
first. But not every incompatibility is caught by the installer.
If your graphics card is too old, the upgrade can roll back,
and not offer an explanation for why it rolled back. In early Win10,
a crusty graphics card merely meant being stuck at 1024x768
and not having a working driver to accelerate video with.
I tested with an FX5200 early on, and it ran, but it ran
using MBDA (basic display adapter) driver.
The customer should be told, of the upcoming train-wreck.
A W7->w10->w11(or not) path, is fraught with short service
life, or an unsuccessful transition. The customers machine
will go on the pile of 800 million other computers to be
shredded in the landfill.
I've examined the possibility of Linux upgrades for everyone,
and the graphics side of things have roughly the same
"support interval" now, as on Windows. If we could keep the
5.15 kernel, we could rescue more users. The 6.x kernel,
not so much.
As an example, I took my 7900GT (many fine years of usage from WinXP to Win10),
plopped it in a Test PC, and the Linux distro I used,
blew chunks, and the screen had a weird graphics pattern on it.
I could not switch to terminal and rescue it. All graphics
were hosed. This is what I'm afraid the Windows users will
find when they attempt to switch. I had expected a better
result than that. Windows 10 ran on the setup (not a hardware
failure), and to make it fully functional, I had to go to the
NVidia site and get a Win8 driver, and that worked. The catalog
site would not serve me a driver. Some driver solutions
have been removed from the Microsoft server -- this is why
an attempt to upgrade-install today, can fail, whereas
before (older times) the Win10 upgrade would work. My 7900GT
was definitely accelerated, when I ran Win10 as one of my
OSes on the "WinXP" machine.
Tell the customer for me "dumbass, you waited too long" :-)
It's a double screwing, because of the train wreck
approaching in the moonlight. The grim reaper is coming
for the PCs.
Paul
On 8/21/24 18:04, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 8/21/2024 7:08 PM, T wrote:
On 8/21/24 16:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
I think the upgrade isn't free any more, so you may have to buy a key
(there are some cheap ones that seem to work OK).
You can probably do an "upgrade install", and can select to keep all
your current stuff.
But win 10 ends support in about a year, so you might want to consider >>>> win 11. It's likely that your machine is "unsupported" by win 11, but
there are many workarounds. The easiest one is by using rufus to
generate your installation usb drive, using an ISO downloaded from
microsoft. Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian
microsoft requirements.
There is a ton of info about this on the net, so I suggest you google a >>>> bit.
Can anyone remove the "probably"?
The free upgrade from W7-W10 is now closed.
You can upgrade-install (run setup.exe off the mounted ISO) but
the OS will then not be licensed and the Personalize menu won't
work. You will need to buy a license. The programs would be
preserved, the user data is kept. The installer will warn if
you have an older VirtualBox, and you might need to upgrade that
first. But not every incompatibility is caught by the installer.
If your graphics card is too old, the upgrade can roll back,
and not offer an explanation for why it rolled back. In early Win10,
a crusty graphics card merely meant being stuck at 1024x768
and not having a working driver to accelerate video with.
I tested with an FX5200 early on, and it ran, but it ran
using MBDA (basic display adapter) driver.
The customer should be told, of the upcoming train-wreck.
A W7->w10->w11(or not) path, is fraught with short service
life, or an unsuccessful transition. The customers machine
will go on the pile of 800 million other computers to be
shredded in the landfill.
I've examined the possibility of Linux upgrades for everyone,
and the graphics side of things have roughly the same
"support interval" now, as on Windows. If we could keep the
5.15 kernel, we could rescue more users. The 6.x kernel,
not so much.
As an example, I took my 7900GT (many fine years of usage from WinXP to
Win10),
plopped it in a Test PC, and the Linux distro I used,
blew chunks, and the screen had a weird graphics pattern on it.
I could not switch to terminal and rescue it. All graphics
were hosed. This is what I'm afraid the Windows users will
find when they attempt to switch. I had expected a better
result than that. Windows 10 ran on the setup (not a hardware
failure), and to make it fully functional, I had to go to the
NVidia site and get a Win8 driver, and that worked. The catalog
site would not serve me a driver. Some driver solutions
have been removed from the Microsoft server -- this is why
an attempt to upgrade-install today, can fail, whereas
before (older times) the Win10 upgrade would work. My 7900GT
was definitely accelerated, when I ran Win10 as one of my
OSes on the "WinXP" machine.
Tell the customer for me "dumbass, you waited too long" :-)
It's a double screwing, because of the train wreck
approaching in the moonlight. The grim reaper is coming
for the PCs.
Paul
His computer will definitely not run W11. He wants
W10 so he can get updated browsers that will start
working with certain picky web sites again. He does
not care if he ever gets another Windows update
as long as his browsers work.
He may not care about the personalization feature.
If he does, I will send him to the Windows store.
He is thinking about wipe and reinstall, but
I do not think he has thought that though enough.
I talked about Linux to him, but he want M$ Office
and due to his age, "can't learn anything new".
Pity, because both Libre Office and Only Office
are pretty decent now.
On 8/21/24 18:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
I talked about Linux to him, but he want M$ Office
and due to his age, "can't learn anything new".
Pity, because both Libre Office and Only Office
are pretty decent now.
You should give his money back and just tell him you can't help him, and
you were unable to get any help from usenet.
He has been my customer for over 25 years.
He is a precious soul.
He has told me he has the start of dementia.
He is almost 90.
His requirements are very easy for me to deal
with.
On 8/21/24 18:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
I talked about Linux to him, but he want M$ Office
and due to his age, "can't learn anything new".
Pity, because both Libre Office and Only Office
are pretty decent now.
You should give his money back and just tell him you can't help him,
and you were unable to get any help from usenet.
He has been my customer for over 25 years.
He is a precious soul.
He has told me he has the start of dementia.
He is almost 90.
His requirements are very easy for me to deal
with.
His requirements are very easy for me to deal
with.
Well, it's good you're trying to help. But it may be best for him to
keep using what he's familiar with. I wouldn't push him to try to learn
to use linux.
Don't give up, but do try to work with what you have.
Good luck.
On 8/21/2024 6:22 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Use the 20H2 ISO.
Use the 20H2 ISO.
Yes, that might work.
If you want to do that, then disconnect the LAN connector
and run Setup.exe off the 20H2 DVD. It should do an Upgrade Install,
offering to keep your Programs and user files. But after that
is finished, and you're connected to the Internet again, it
can be "plotting and scheming in the usual way".
On 08/22/2024 12:26 AM, T wrote:
On 8/21/24 20:50, Hank Rogers wrote:
His requirements are very easy for me to deal
with.
Well, it's good you're trying to help. But it may be best for him to
keep using what he's familiar with. I wouldn't push him to try to
learn to use linux.
Agreed. I discussed the differences with him between
Linux and Windows. ANd both of us thought it best to
stay with what he knew.
Linux MATE would have done him well, but he would have
had to learn Libre Office and/or Only Office. And he
really, really was not up to it.
Don't give up, but do try to work with what you have.
Oh do not worry. His requirements are pretty easy for
me to meet.
The fun part will be "DOSBOX" to run a bunch of his really
awesome DOS engineering programs that were never updated
to Windows.
Good luck.
If he upgrades to Window 10 will the version of Office he has run on
Windows 10?
The current version of Windows office has the worst user interface of
any piece of software, I ever used. The ribbon menu is confusing and
there is no way to find where the function exist on the ribbon. When
you use help the function is presented not the location. NOTE you can
do a google search and find the information, But with a little dementia?
If he has to upgrade to the current office, I would recommend he stay
with what he has got. I don't have dementia, and can barely get what I
want from the Current MS Office.
I always unplug ethernet before allowing MS
operations to run
f he upgrades to Window 10 will the version of Office he has run on
Windows 10?
The current version of Windows office has the worst user interface of
any piece of software, I ever used. The ribbon menu is confusing and
there is no way to find where the function exist on the ribbon.
On 8/22/24 06:11, Newyana2 wrote:
I always unplug ethernet before allowing MS
operations to run
That was my trick too. Unfortunately the
latest W11 won't let you past it now (or
I don't know how).
My workaround to W11 is Tiny-11. It only allow
you to set up a local account. Wow, W11 is almost
as fast as Linux under Tiny-11. And no bizarre
right click context menu either.
Does tiny 11 have any mechanism for updates? Especially security
related stuff.
yes
FWIW, I was using office 2003 until I just needed more capabilities the
newer versions have.
T wrote:
On 8/22/24 06:11, Newyana2 wrote:
I always unplug ethernet before allowing MS
operations to run
That was my trick too. Unfortunately the
latest W11 won't let you past it now (or
I don't know how).
My workaround to W11 is Tiny-11. It only allow
you to set up a local account. Wow, W11 is almost
as fast as Linux under Tiny-11. And no bizarre
right click context menu either.
Does tiny 11 have any mechanism for updates? Especially security related stuff.
On 8/22/24 04:51, knuttle wrote:
The current version of Windows office has the worst user interface of
any piece of software, I ever used. The ribbon menu is confusing and
there is no way to find where the function exist on the ribbon.
I also do not care for M$ ribbons. Can't find anything.
I never have cared for ribbons.
Speaking of ribbons, Only Office only has ribbons, but
theirs I can live with. They did a good jobs of making
them intuitive, if ribbons can actually be called intuitive.
On 8/22/24 16:31, sticks wrote:
FWIW, I was using office 2003 until I just needed more capabilities
the newer versions have.
My opinion, 2003 was their best release and it has gone
downhill from there.
On 8/22/24 06:11, Newyana2 wrote:
I always unplug ethernet before allowing MS
operations to run
That was my trick too. Unfortunately the
latest W11 won't let you past it now (or
I don't know how).
My workaround to W11 is Tiny-11. It only allow
you to set up a local account. Wow, W11 is almost
as fast as Linux under Tiny-11. And no bizarre
right click context menu either.
Speaking of ribbons, Only Office only has ribbons,
On 22/08/2024 23:54, T wrote:
Speaking of ribbons, *Only Office* only has ribbons,
You are just telling us that you don't know what LibreOffice has despite
the fact that you use it everyday!!
<https://itsfoss.com/libreoffice-ribbon-interface/>
On 8/22/2024 6:42 PM, T wrote:
On 8/22/24 16:31, sticks wrote:
FWIW, I was using office 2003 until I just needed more capabilities
the newer versions have.
My opinion, 2003 was their best release and it has gone
downhill from there.
If by the best you mean it was the last version without the ribbon, with
2007 starting that, you'd be right. I didn't really like it at first either, but got used to it, and don't even notice it any more. The
problems with 2003 become apparent when the things you do get more complicated. You search for a way to do something, and find it is
easily supported and apparent in a later version. Yes, you can get converters to open files made with later versions, but you might not see everything the author included because 2003 just can't do it. So while
it is just fine for an individual who keeps excel sheets for himself and isn't making very complicated sheets, or simple documents from word, and
so on, if you want or need the extra capabilities you simply have to get
the later versions.
I didn't ever think I would need more than 2003, but I was completely wrong. I do have one machine with 2007, and I won't update this one
because it is a throw away box. If it breaks, I get a new one. My main box and my laptop, I spent the money and got 2019 and 2021. It was well worth it for me. YMMV
On 8/22/2024 6:09 PM, T wrote:
On 8/22/24 06:11, Newyana2 wrote:
I always unplug ethernet before allowing MS
operations to run
That was my trick too. Unfortunately the
latest W11 won't let you past it now (or
I don't know how).
My workaround to W11 is Tiny-11. It only allow
you to set up a local account. Wow, W11 is almost
as fast as Linux under Tiny-11. And no bizarre
right click context menu either.
 Tiny 11? I've never heard of that.
I updated a Win10
laptop to Win11 and now have it dual booting. Win11
has never been online. Maybe it requires going online
if installed from scratch. I don't know. But it's been no
problem for me.
If it ever comes to actually having to have
a Microsoft account then I'll be moving to something else.
But it's been no
problem for me. If it ever comes to actually having to have
a Microsoft account then I'll be moving to something else.
Tiny 11 web site:
https://www.auslogics.com/en/articles/what-is-tiny11-install-tiny-windows-11-to-lightweight-your-os/
On 8/23/2024 5:11 AM, T wrote:
Tiny 11 web site:
https://www.auslogics.com/en/articles/what-is-tiny11-install-tiny-windows-11-to-lightweight-your-os/
 No mention of the specifics. Do you know of any listing? I'd
be curious to see what I can remove, but I'm not interested
in installing a customized OS.
I am not sure what you are asking.
I installed it on a virtual machine and a customer's
laptop. Wow. W11 screams. Almost as fast a Linux.
It is the W11 ISO with stuff removed. Recall,
CoPilot, One Drive, and a bunch of other stuff
On 8/23/2024 3:07 PM, T wrote:
I am not sure what you are asking.
I installed it on a virtual machine and a customer's
laptop. Wow. W11 screams. Almost as fast a Linux.
It is the W11 ISO with stuff removed. Recall,
CoPilot, One Drive, and a bunch of other stuff
 That's what I'm asking. What exactly is removed.
I don't have Copilot or OneDrive, anyway. What would
make it fast would stuff that's not loading. So I wondered
if they had a list of exactly what they've changed.
This guy has a couple of good debloaters.
https://github.com/builtbybel/Winpilot/releases
Remove ads from
various places! Are people seeing ads in Win10? I don't.
If you demand certainty with computer software, you have to write the
code yourself, using an assembler or preferably using pure machine op
codes. If you don't trust anyone, this is your only option.
Good luck.
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 19:41:20 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:
[snp]
If you demand certainty with computer software, you have to write the
code yourself, using an assembler or preferably using pure machine op
codes. If you don't trust anyone, this is your only option.
Good luck.
Still, your CPU could have embedded code that notifies M$ on every boot.
On 8/23/24 14:25, Newyana2 wrote:
Remove ads from
various places! Are people seeing ads in Win10? I don't.
Just wait until yo get Recall and CoPilot slammed on you.
You even get ads on your log on screen.
But I won't get it "slammed on me". Anyone with the least
bit of industriousness should be blocking Microsoft's intrusions.
Hi All,
I have not done tis for a long time, so
I have forgot.
Is there a way to upgrade W7 to W10 without
wiping and reinstalling?
In other words, keeping all the programs and data
intact from W7.
Many thanks,
-T
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 19:41:20 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:
[snp]
If you demand certainty with computer software, you have to write the
code yourself, using an assembler or preferably using pure machine op
codes. If you don't trust anyone, this is your only option.
Good luck.
Still, your CPU could have embedded code that notifies M$ on every boot.
On 8/23/24 14:25, Newyana2 wrote:
Remove ads from
various places! Are people seeing ads in Win10? I don't.
Just wait until yo get Recall and CoPilot slammed on you.
You even get ads on your log on screen.
It should be no surprise to you, that Google knows
*exactly* where you are, but it amuses them to print
your location at the bottom of search pages, as
if they "missed". "Oopsy", they said. Bullshit.
They know where you are. If you ask for Joes Pizza,
they get the city right on the first try. You don't
end up seeing a Joes Pizza in Mumbai.
When somebody tells me something is Opt-in, in the
year 2024, this is a picture of me giving them a
finger, in 2024. Well, you'll have to imagine the
finger, but it looks a lot like the Linus Torvalds finger :-)
I don't particularly see adverts here. Something
must have happened to them. <whistles and looks at ceiling>
My browsers make up for the adverts my OS missed.
On the bright side, Apple just agreed to let people drop
Safari in Macs, due to EU laws. So we have that hope. While
the US typically just serves the interests of the rich and
business generally, we may get dragged into legislative
civility by the EU. And Canada? I would have thought they'd
follow the EU.
On Sat, 8/24/2024 8:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
On the bright side, Apple just agreed to let people drop
Safari in Macs, due to EU laws. So we have that hope. While
the US typically just serves the interests of the rich and
business generally, we may get dragged into legislative
civility by the EU. And Canada? I would have thought they'd
follow the EU.
Canada tried to get outfits like Google and Meta, to
pay some amount to the news sites they promote. But the
way things are going, news done by reporters will die out,
and boobs with cellphones will be telling us anything they
want, and we'll have no idea what goes on in the world.
For backlash, Google now removes all news sites from
my Canadian search results (the majors at least). In general
this week, search results were just two pages, and in one
case, my two pages of results were all Reddit ones. I got
one Reuters result, when I went to Reuters, the item was
suppressed.
We don't have the strength of the EU, to make a difference,
so if you thought what we did affected something, the answer
is no. We're too small a market to count.
Interfering in the marketplace, doesn't generally work out well
for government. For example, the experiment to make grocery
chains play by some sort of rules, that went just as well
as any citizen could expect. But at least they made a token
effort to "expose" the bread price fixing. Imagine, fixing
the price of bread, roughly a hundred years after the
last attempt to do that. And a loaf of bread today (post exposure)
is ~$4. And you know how much the farmer got for the inputs to that
loaf of bread. Pennies. Which reminds me, I need to get
a loaf of bread today.
High quality bread in the US is $6-8.
Newyana2 wrote:
[snip]
High quality bread in the US is $6-8.
[snip]
Here in the UK artisanal bread from a small bakery might cost up to £5
for a 400g wholemeal loaf. But my local Tesco sells 800g seeded
wholemeal loaves at about £1.50 which is probably cheaper than I could
make it myself. These appear to be baked in-store but I suspect the
dough is mixed in a factory somewhere and brought to the store site.
Tesco's mainstream white bread is even cheaper.
Makes you wonder why the US & Canada pricing is apparently so much more.
Isn't a pound abput $1.50 these days?
Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian microsoft requirements.
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 18:01:27 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:
Rufus will give you options to disable all the draconian microsoft
requirements.
Including the processor list which is a bit restrictive on older
hardware?
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