On 05/07/2024 16:18, ...winston wrote:
wasbit wrote:
On 03/07/2024 15:51, Ed Cryer wrote:Automatic, when available, in an email client(desktop, laptop, tablet,
I use Betterbird to access a hotmail account. What should I do after
mid September? (see below - email from MS)
I'm hoping that BB will incorporate what MS calls "modern
authentication methods".
Ed
"The safety and security of your information is top priority for
Microsoft. To help keep your account secure, Microsoft will no
longer support the use of third-party email and calendar apps which
ask you to sign in with only your Microsoft Account username and
password. To keep you safe you will need to use a mail or calendar
app which supports Microsoft’s modern authentication methods. If you >>>> do not act, your third-party email apps will no longer be able to
access your Outlook.com, Hotmail or Live.com email address on
September 16th."
"What do you need to do?
If you are receiving this email, you are currently using an email or
calendar app that uses a less secure authentication method to connect
to your Outlook.com email account. You will need to upgrade your
third-party mail and calendar app to a version which supports modern
authentication methods."
I presume the above is not true as Thunderbird, OE Classic &
Fossamail can all use OAuth2 for authentication yet that
authentication fails when swapped from Normal Password to OAuth2 but
is accepted when reverted to Normal Password.
From my trials it seems that Microsoft is only accepting
authentication from email clients when they are configured
automatically but as usual there is scant information for end users.
phone) validates the client as registered or previously registered for
OAuth2, configures the account to support the Exchange protocol and
depending upon the client prompts or informs the user of the items to
be synced.
- Not all email accounts will or can sync everything(mail, contacts,
calendar, etc.)
- Not all clients setup automatically with OAuth2 for Exchange will
prompt or inform the synced items. e.g. Outlook 365[1] for an
Outlook.com type account(Outlook/Live/Hotmail/MSn.com and 3rd party
email accounts configured to be a Microsoft account)
[1] Applies to Outlook stand-alone editions(2013 through 2021, 2022)
and subscription editions(e.g. Outlook 365[aka Microsoft 365
Outlook]Personal, Family, Enterprise)
Simple explanation:
With OAuth2 and Exchange in place, the authorization validates the
username/pw but prior to connection returns an access token which
authorizes the connection, then permits the client to access the
destination.
By changing the setting in an email client from the simple username/pw
combo the registration of the client and authorization of the app does
not occur.
I suspect(please inform if otherwise), your test of changing the
Normal Password to OAuth2 in an Outlook.com type account was done in a
POP3 or IMAP email account - which as you probably already known are
different protocols than the required Exchange protocol.
i.e. the account protocol, afaik, can not be changed to Exchange in
an existing account using POP3 or IMAP.
Finally, not to be confused with and 'App Password'
- App passwords grant permissions to access(one time use in lieu of
the password). OAuth2 only grants access that was previously
authorized, validated and confirmed.
Sorry, lost your reply. Thanks for the input.
No apps. No contacts. No calendar. Just email.
It doesn't explain why a working email address used in a Windows email
client (Thunderbird 1.2.15.1) authenticates one minute, then fails, then
some time later authenticates again. This has been going on for a number
of months.
It mainly happens with one email address but sometimes others. That
email address can normally be accessed via a browser.
It hasn't happened with email addresses in other clients (Fossamail) &
it hasn't happened with Gmail/EMClient.
Just reporting the facts.
On 19/07/2024 13:31, wasbit wrote:
On 05/07/2024 16:18, ...winston wrote:
wasbit wrote:
On 03/07/2024 15:51, Ed Cryer wrote:Automatic, when available, in an email client(desktop, laptop,
I use Betterbird to access a hotmail account. What should I do
after mid September? (see below - email from MS)
I'm hoping that BB will incorporate what MS calls "modern
authentication methods".
Ed
"The safety and security of your information is top priority for
Microsoft. To help keep your account secure, Microsoft will no
longer support the use of third-party email and calendar apps which
ask you to sign in with only your Microsoft Account username and
password. To keep you safe you will need to use a mail or calendar
app which supports Microsoft’s modern authentication methods. If
you do not act, your third-party email apps will no longer be able
to access your Outlook.com, Hotmail or Live.com email address on
September 16th."
"What do you need to do?
If you are receiving this email, you are currently using an email or
calendar app that uses a less secure authentication method to
connect to your Outlook.com email account. You will need to upgrade
your third-party mail and calendar app to a version which supports
modern authentication methods."
I presume the above is not true as Thunderbird, OE Classic &
Fossamail can all use OAuth2 for authentication yet that
authentication fails when swapped from Normal Password to OAuth2 but
is accepted when reverted to Normal Password.
From my trials it seems that Microsoft is only accepting
authentication from email clients when they are configured
automatically but as usual there is scant information for end users.
tablet, phone) validates the client as registered or previously
registered for OAuth2, configures the account to support the Exchange
protocol and depending upon the client prompts or informs the user of
the items to be synced.
- Not all email accounts will or can sync everything(mail,
contacts, calendar, etc.)
- Not all clients setup automatically with OAuth2 for Exchange will
prompt or inform the synced items. e.g. Outlook 365[1] for an
Outlook.com type account(Outlook/Live/Hotmail/MSn.com and 3rd party
email accounts configured to be a Microsoft account)
[1] Applies to Outlook stand-alone editions(2013 through 2021,
2022) and subscription editions(e.g. Outlook 365[aka Microsoft 365
Outlook]Personal, Family, Enterprise)
Simple explanation:
With OAuth2 and Exchange in place, the authorization validates the
username/pw but prior to connection returns an access token which
authorizes the connection, then permits the client to access the
destination.
By changing the setting in an email client from the simple
username/pw combo the registration of the client and authorization of
the app does not occur.
I suspect(please inform if otherwise), your test of changing the
Normal Password to OAuth2 in an Outlook.com type account was done in
a POP3 or IMAP email account - which as you probably already known
are different protocols than the required Exchange protocol.
i.e. the account protocol, afaik, can not be changed to Exchange in
an existing account using POP3 or IMAP.
Finally, not to be confused with and 'App Password'
- App passwords grant permissions to access(one time use in lieu of
the password). OAuth2 only grants access that was previously
authorized, validated and confirmed.
Sorry, lost your reply. Thanks for the input.
No apps. No contacts. No calendar. Just email.
It doesn't explain why a working email address used in a Windows email
client (Thunderbird 1.2.15.1) authenticates one minute, then fails,
then some time later authenticates again. This has been going on for a
number of months.
It mainly happens with one email address but sometimes others. That
email address can normally be accessed via a browser.
It hasn't happened with email addresses in other clients (Fossamail) &
it hasn't happened with Gmail/EMClient.
Just reporting the facts.
This morning whilst in the middle of reading my newsgroups, Eternal
September suddenly refused the connection. When it returned there were numerous additional posts marked as unread. From what I can see, these
are posts that I have previously deleted.
In addition some early posts in this thread (& possibly elsewhere) are
now blank.
This hopefully explains why I wasn't seeing all the replies to posts &
why some threads appeared disjointed.
wasbit wrote:
On 19/07/2024 13:31, wasbit wrote:
On 05/07/2024 16:18, ...winston wrote:
wasbit wrote:
On 03/07/2024 15:51, Ed Cryer wrote:Automatic, when available, in an email client(desktop, laptop,
I use Betterbird to access a hotmail account. What should I do
after mid September? (see below - email from MS)
I'm hoping that BB will incorporate what MS calls "modern
authentication methods".
Ed
"The safety and security of your information is top priority for
Microsoft. To help keep your account secure, Microsoft will no
longer support the use of third-party email and calendar apps which >>>>>> ask you to sign in with only your Microsoft Account username and
password. To keep you safe you will need to use a mail or calendar >>>>>> app which supports Microsoft’s modern authentication methods. If >>>>>> you do not act, your third-party email apps will no longer be able >>>>>> to access your Outlook.com, Hotmail or Live.com email address on
September 16th."
"What do you need to do?
If you are receiving this email, you are currently using an email or >>>>> calendar app that uses a less secure authentication method to
connect to your Outlook.com email account. You will need to upgrade
your third-party mail and calendar app to a version which supports
modern authentication methods."
I presume the above is not true as Thunderbird, OE Classic &
Fossamail can all use OAuth2 for authentication yet that
authentication fails when swapped from Normal Password to OAuth2 but >>>>> is accepted when reverted to Normal Password.
From my trials it seems that Microsoft is only accepting
authentication from email clients when they are configured
automatically but as usual there is scant information for end users. >>>>>
tablet, phone) validates the client as registered or previously
registered for OAuth2, configures the account to support the Exchange
protocol and depending upon the client prompts or informs the user of
the items to be synced.
- Not all email accounts will or can sync everything(mail,
contacts, calendar, etc.)
- Not all clients setup automatically with OAuth2 for Exchange will >>>> prompt or inform the synced items. e.g. Outlook 365[1] for an
Outlook.com type account(Outlook/Live/Hotmail/MSn.com and 3rd party
email accounts configured to be a Microsoft account)
[1] Applies to Outlook stand-alone editions(2013 through 2021,
2022) and subscription editions(e.g. Outlook 365[aka Microsoft 365
Outlook]Personal, Family, Enterprise)
Simple explanation:
With OAuth2 and Exchange in place, the authorization validates the
username/pw but prior to connection returns an access token which
authorizes the connection, then permits the client to access the
destination.
By changing the setting in an email client from the simple
username/pw combo the registration of the client and authorization of
the app does not occur.
I suspect(please inform if otherwise), your test of changing the
Normal Password to OAuth2 in an Outlook.com type account was done in
a POP3 or IMAP email account - which as you probably already known
are different protocols than the required Exchange protocol.
i.e. the account protocol, afaik, can not be changed to Exchange in >>>> an existing account using POP3 or IMAP.
Finally, not to be confused with and 'App Password'
- App passwords grant permissions to access(one time use in lieu of >>>> the password). OAuth2 only grants access that was previously
authorized, validated and confirmed.
Sorry, lost your reply. Thanks for the input.
No apps. No contacts. No calendar. Just email.
It doesn't explain why a working email address used in a Windows email
client (Thunderbird 1.2.15.1) authenticates one minute, then fails,
then some time later authenticates again. This has been going on for a
number of months.
It mainly happens with one email address but sometimes others. That
email address can normally be accessed via a browser.
It hasn't happened with email addresses in other clients (Fossamail) &
it hasn't happened with Gmail/EMClient.
Just reporting the facts.
This morning whilst in the middle of reading my newsgroups, Eternal
September suddenly refused the connection. When it returned there were
numerous additional posts marked as unread. From what I can see, these
are posts that I have previously deleted.
In addition some early posts in this thread (& possibly elsewhere) are
now blank.
This hopefully explains why I wasn't seeing all the replies to posts &
why some threads appeared disjointed.
The same thing happened to me. So in Thunderbird, I sorted all the
messages by date without the thread option being chosen. Then I selected every message up to and excluding the messages from August 5 (yesterday)
and marked them as read. Then I re-selected the display as thread option
and things were back to normal.
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