• OneDrive question

    From Graham J@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 17 13:00:06 2024
    Martin is an accountant. One of his clients sent him an email with a
    link to a OneDrive folder containing a couple of dozen files. Martin
    can open this folder and see these files.

    Martin wants to copy ALL these file to his own computer in ONE
    operation. So he selects all the files and tries to drag them. But
    only one file is copied. This behaviour is quite different to copying a
    group of files from a connected file system such as USB disk or NAS disk
    where the drag-n-drop would copy all the selected files.

    Clearly Martin can copy each file individually - tedious and he might
    miss one. But if there were many more files - perhaps several hundred -
    that would be impractical. Is there a way to do this, bearing in mind
    that Martin's client is even less computer-literate than Martin himself?


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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to Graham J on Wed Jul 17 08:23:27 2024
    On 7/17/24 08:00 AM, Graham J wrote:
    Martin is an accountant.  One of his clients sent him an email with a link to a OneDrive folder
    containing a couple of dozen files.  Martin can open this folder and see these files.

    Martin wants to copy  ALL these file to his own computer in ONE operation.  So he selects all the
    files and tries to drag them.  But only one file is copied.  This behaviour is quite different to
    copying a group of files from a connected file system such as USB disk or NAS disk where the
    drag-n-drop would copy all the selected files.

    Clearly Martin can copy each file individually - tedious and he might miss one.  But if there were
    many more files - perhaps several hundred - that would be impractical.  Is there a way to do this,
    bearing in mind that Martin's client is even less computer-literate than Martin himself?


    Select several and there is a download icon that zips all the files and then downloads them. The
    download arrow is at the top.
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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Graham J on Wed Jul 17 14:39:53 2024
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    Martin is an accountant. One of his clients sent him an email with a
    link to a OneDrive folder containing a couple of dozen files. Martin
    can open this folder and see these files.

    Martin wants to copy ALL these file to his own computer in ONE
    operation. So he selects all the files and tries to drag them. But
    only one file is copied. This behaviour is quite different to copying a group of files from a connected file system such as USB disk or NAS disk where the drag-n-drop would copy all the selected files.

    Clearly Martin can copy each file individually - tedious and he might
    miss one. But if there were many more files - perhaps several hundred -
    that would be impractical. Is there a way to do this, bearing in mind
    that Martin's client is even less computer-literate than Martin himself?

    According to:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/download-files-and-folders-from-onedrive-or-sharepoint-5c7397b7-19c7-4893-84fe-d02e8fa5df05

    you can:
    - Individual files.
    - Select all files in a folder.
    - Select the folder.

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 07:48:28 2024
    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
     - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
     - Select all files in a folder
     - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
     - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current file extension.

    Thanks. I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion. The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop; so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user is troublesome.

    It's what gives computers a bad name!


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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Graham J on Fri Jul 19 02:26:58 2024
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
     - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
     - Select all files in a folder
     - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
     - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current file
    extension.

    Thanks. I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion. The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop; so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user is troublesome.

    It's what gives computers a bad name!

    OneDrive is a sync/backup tool. It is not a global file manager that
    operates across multiple hosts possibly running different OSes.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Jul 19 11:32:32 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 02:26:58 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    OneDrive is a sync/backup tool. It is not a global file manager that >operates across multiple hosts possibly running different OSes.

    So not like Dropbox, then?


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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 10:20:24 2024
    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]


    That would require the destination device(Martin the accountant) to
    setup OneDrive on his device with the client's Microsoft Account(username/password) to sync anything down to Martin's(the
    accountant) device.
     - If Martin the accountant asked for that from the client, the client should find a new accountant!!!!

    Fair comment.

    But this is the client sending a link to his OneDrive folder in an email
    to Martin. Probably this is the client thinking he was sending the
    files themselves (users don't understand links: so they will claim to
    have made a backup when all they've done is back up the shortcut from
    their desktop).


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 08:51:39 2024
    On 2024-07-19 01:23, ...winston wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
      - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
      - Select all files in a folder
      - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
      - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current file >>>> extension.

    Thanks.  I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion.  The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop;

    Not in a browser-based view of sharepoint.

    so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user is
    troublesome.

    Then they should "sync" the onedrive folder to their desktop. But that's
    likely more complicated than is necessary for simply copying some files.

    That would require the destination device(Martin the accountant) to
    setup OneDrive on his device with the client's Microsoft Account(username/password) to sync anything down to Martin's(the
    accountant) device.
     - If Martin the accountant asked for that from the client, the client should find a new accountant!!!!



    As far as I can recall, yu can use the OneDrive software on your PC to
    access files that have been shared with you. You don't need the sharing
    parties credentials in order to do that.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Jul 19 08:54:49 2024
    On 2024-07-19 00:26, VanguardLH wrote:
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
     - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
     - Select all files in a folder
     - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
     - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current file >>> extension.

    Thanks. I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion. The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop; so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user is
    troublesome.

    It's what gives computers a bad name!

    OneDrive is a sync/backup tool. It is not a global file manager that operates across multiple hosts possibly running different OSes.

    The problem is that "OneDrive" is a term that Microsoft uses with two
    meanings.

    They use it with the software you install on your system to synchronize
    cloud files from Sharepoint Online...

    ...AND they use it as the name of a user's personal cloud storage space.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Fri Jul 19 08:55:22 2024
    On 2024-07-19 02:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 02:26:58 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    OneDrive is a sync/backup tool. It is not a global file manager that
    operates across multiple hosts possibly running different OSes.

    So not like Dropbox, then?



    Pretty much exactly like Dropbox, actually.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 09:00:02 2024
    On 2024-07-19 01:19, ...winston wrote:
    Graham J wrote:
    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
      - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
      - Select all files in a folder
      - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
      - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current
    file extension.

    Thanks.  I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion.  The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop; so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user
    is troublesome.

    It's what gives computers a bad name!



    It's not confusion. It's more like protection.
    The ability to drag and drop from one device owned by one person to
    another device owned by another person(and obviously without the same Microsoft Account) was never going to be an option for a cloud service.

    Imo, to expect OneDrive to function identical to a USB thumb drive or
    NAS disk(which are strictly done locally or remote access) is and
    probably will always be a pipe dream(and too high of an expectation)
     - the option  to drag/drop/copy file to USB drive and give USB drive
    to another will always work.  Apples to Apples.




    It's nothing to do with "protection". It is a current limitation of the browser-based interface to the cloud-based storage system known as
    either "Sharepoint" (general multi-user storage) or "OneDrive" (if it's
    a storage space associated with one particular user; a private storage
    area).

    You can't drag and drop multiple files from the browser, but you can
    select multiple files and the select "Download".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 23:15:50 2024
    On 2024-07-19 22:29, ...winston wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2024-07-19 01:19, ...winston wrote:
    Graham J wrote:
    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
      - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
      - Select all files in a folder
      - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
      - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current
    file extension.

    Thanks.  I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion.  The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop; so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user
    is troublesome.

    It's what gives computers a bad name!



    It's not confusion. It's more like protection.
    The ability to drag and drop from one device owned by one person to
    another device owned by another person(and obviously without the same
    Microsoft Account) was never going to be an option for a cloud service.

    Imo, to expect OneDrive to function identical to a USB thumb drive or
    NAS disk(which are strictly done locally or remote access) is and
    probably will always be a pipe dream(and too high of an expectation)
      - the option  to drag/drop/copy file to USB drive and give USB
    drive to another will always work.  Apples to Apples.




    It's nothing to do with "protection". It is a current limitation of
    the browser-based interface to the cloud-based storage system known as
    either "Sharepoint" (general multi-user storage) or "OneDrive" (if
    it's a storage space associated with one particular user; a private
    storage area).

    You can't drag and drop multiple files from the browser, but you can
    select multiple files and the select "Download".

    It's closer to protection(preventing drag and drop from a protected environment to another individual's device) than confusion with/without
    a limitation of a browser in cloud environment.

    No. It is absolutely NOTHING about protection.

    You can do drag and drop...

    ...just one file at a time.


    Going back to OP's comment regarding:
     - the accountant and the client.

    While the accountant can't drag and drop 'and' got a link instead of the files.
    - The accountant clearly also had no understanding of OneDrive functionality(expected) nor possibly not even considering the obvious
    option shown in the OneDrive UI to select/use the Download option.

    You should learn to read:

    'So he selects all the files and tries to drag them. But only one file
    is copied.'

    I'm not going to bother with the rest of your noise.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 23:17:01 2024
    On 2024-07-19 22:38, ...winston wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2024-07-19 01:23, ...winston wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
      - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
      - Select all files in a folder
      - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
      - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current >>>>>> file
    extension.

    Thanks.  I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion.  The user's normal way to copy >>>>> multiple files is select - drag-n-drop;

    Not in a browser-based view of sharepoint.

    so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that
    user is
    troublesome.

    Then they should "sync" the onedrive folder to their desktop. But
    that's
    likely more complicated than is necessary for simply copying some
    files.

    That would require the destination device(Martin the accountant) to
    setup OneDrive on his device with the client's Microsoft
    Account(username/password) to sync anything down to Martin's(the
    accountant) device.
      - If Martin the accountant asked for that from the client, the
    client should find a new accountant!!!!



    As far as I can recall, yu can use the OneDrive software on your PC to
    access files that have been shared with you. You don't need the
    sharing parties credentials in order to do that.

    Not exactly. OneDrive software on a device is MSFT Account specific.

    True... ...as far as it goes.

    A shared file from a OneDrive user, doesn't require a MSFT acccount to
    access the link, nor does it require the recipient email address to be a Microsoft Account.

    But you can have a Microsoft account for free and synch the files shared
    with you to your machine.

     Unless both criteria are met...the recipient has a Microsoft Account
    and that MSFT Account email was also the recipient....using the OneDrive software on the recipient pc isn't an option.  The shared content is accessed in the recipient's default browser.

    So?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Jul 19 23:18:21 2024
    On 2024-07-19 23:10, ...winston wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2024-07-19 00:26, VanguardLH wrote:
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    ...winston wrote:

    [snip]

    You can:
       - Individual files(i.e. more than one)   <===
       - Select all files in a folder
       - Select the folder
    To:
    Download as a zip file.

    If you select only one individual file(e.g. txt, docx, jpg etc.)
       - the file will be downloaded as a single file with its current >>>>> file
    extension.

    Thanks.  I see that this minimises internet bandwidth usage.

    But for the inexpert user (that's most of the users I see) it's yet
    another needless Microsoft confusion.  The user's normal way to copy
    multiple files is select - drag-n-drop; so to have to remember a
    different mechanism for no good reason that is apparent to that user is >>>> troublesome.

    It's what gives computers a bad name!

    OneDrive is a sync/backup tool.  It is not a global file manager that
    operates across multiple hosts possibly running different OSes.

    The problem is that "OneDrive" is a term that Microsoft uses with two
    meanings.

    They use it with the software you install on your system to
    synchronize cloud files from Sharepoint Online...

    ...AND they use it as the name of a user's personal cloud storage space.


    It's easy to confuse the two since both are cloud services
     - in the cloud it is all OneDrive's cloud service but on different
    backend platforms and storage locations.

    They're precisely the same cloud service.


    At the owner level its actually two different OneDrive terms
    - OneDrive for Work or School(fka OneDrive for Business)
    - OneDrive for Home

    Ummmmm... ...a difference that makes no difference.


    The latter is managed by the user with their Microsoft Account.

    And?


    The former is managed by the organization not the user. Admins control
    your work/school OneDrive. OneDrive in this case is part of the organization's subscription to SharePoint in Microsoft 365 or through on-premise installation of SharePoint Server.

    It is even possible for an employee to have both OneDrive Home and
    OneDrive for work or school on the same device.
     Setting up each on the same device results in two separate OneDrive folders.  When done, both sets of folders can be viewed in Windows(10/11)...doing so allows the ability to copy or drag and drop
    files from one folder to another. Once done, both sets of folders can be re-synced back to the respective(Home/WorkSchool) online OneDrive server.

    I know all of this... ...and it's irrelevant to the discussion.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to ...winston on Sat Jul 20 17:29:41 2024
    On 2024-07-20 01:33, ...winston wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    You can do drag and drop...

    ...just one file at a time.


    Can't be done.


    You should learn to read:

    'So he selects all the files and tries to drag them.  But only one
    file is copied.'


    Didn't happen. The recipient reported false information or the op misunderstood the recipient claiming same.

    Doesn't matter if the link the recipient received
    a. used the link in any browser without using a Microsoft account and attempted a drag and drop to a folder on the recipient device
    b. recipient's email address was a Microsoft Account, logged on to
    OneDrive, accessed Shared files, selected files(one or more) and
    attempted drag and drop to a folder on the recipient device.

    Neither of the above attempts provides(when selecting one or more shared files) the ability to drag and drop anything.

    I'm not going to bother with the rest of your noise.

    Fine...the noise afiacs is you never validated what you believe occurred.

    Why...those files remain protected from traveling from the OneDrive UI
    to a remote location(a folder on the recipients device)
     - The recipient only choice is to download individually using the link
    or
     - if recipient email is a Microsoft account, logon with that account
    to their OneDrive, access the Shared file online folder, select one or
    more files and copy to another folder on 'their' OneDrive or download
    the file(s).
     ===>> No Drag and drop!!!

    You're ignoring one of the meanings of "OneDrive".

    One you've synchronized your own OneDrive folder on your PC (or Mac),
    you can most certainly drag and drop files in it to anywhere else on
    your PC (or Mac) or any other network share you have access to.

    And yes: you can take the link you've been given, and cause that to be a synched location within your OneDrive.

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