OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm
seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

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Hello.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> schrieb

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm >seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

The Type C connectors are not as satble as A Types. Imagine your
itebook does not lie flat on the surface, but is a bit lifted up (for
better cooling) and then you attach something heavy (Docking
Station,SSD Alu case, faster network Adapters, or even some USB Hubs)
to an USB Port.
if the weight is not supported by a table all the leverage is on the
USB Port.
Withch do you trust more?
In fact eben when there is not much weight on it, we had severeal
cases where abusy worker forgot to unplug and then moved the Notebook.
Lucky for us: up until now only the cables were damaged at the USB-C
Port and could be exchanged by a new one.

Also we have lots of stuff for USB Ports with A connectors. Alwas have
to carry a Adapter with you around is a hassle.

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micky,

Is there any reason Type C is better here than Type A
or the reverse?

Well, the C type is newer than the A type, meaning that it /might/ be better constructed (taking all of the A types problems into account).

The C type also doesn't have an "up" or "down" orientation, meaning you can plug it in any way you want (which was often a problem with the A type (easy not to have it centered on the hole), leading to the joke that you always
need to flip it twice before it fits).

But the reason why the C type "is better here" is simply because Europe
wanted to have power adapter that could be used on any laptop or smartphone (instead of having to keep several different power bricks, one for each device).

IOW, its a choice made to combat waste.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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On 7/15/24 09:07 AM, micky wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

I still find type A jacks (if you several) are a great way to waste a jack on these usb receivers
for mice. Why take up a good usb C jack, besides they don't fit (currently or without an adapter).

Also usb C is faster, I think, than type A.

Google for "advantages of type C usb"

https://consumer.huawei.com/in/support/content/en-gb00449652/
Advantages of Type-C ports:

Type-C ports support reverse insertion, so you can insert either end of the cable.
Type-C ports can transmit data at a higher rate. 4K videos can be transmitted via a USB 3.1
Type-C port.
Type-C ports support relatively larger charging currents ranging from 3 A to 5 A, and support
reverse charging.
Type-C ports are more refined in structure and more safe in use.

--
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Al

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"R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> schrieb

micky,

Is there any reason Type C is better here than Type A
or the reverse?

The C type also doesn't have an "up" or "down" orientation, meaning you can >plug it in any way you want (which was often a problem with the A type (easy >not to have it centered on the hole), leading to the joke that you always >need to flip it twice before it fits).

... if it is fully attached inside. Sadly not all USB-C
connectors/cables are.

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Hello.

Big Al <alan@invalid.com> schrieb

On 7/15/24 09:07 AM, micky wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm
seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

Also usb C is faster, I think, than type A.

USB C "can" be faster. USB-C Connectors even can transport TB
Signaling.
But when you look at Notebooks in the lower price range (mostly unter 500Euro/USD), USB-C Ports only use 5GBit/s oder 10GBit/s. And both are
possible also with USB-A connectors.
So in that regard I see no advantage.

USB-C is interesting when it is fully connected (so you can use it in
2 orientations) and there are many optional Features implemented.
PD
DP
USB 3.2 x2 or faster
or better TB3 or 4 over an USB-C connector.
and so on.

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On 7/15/24 10:59 AM, Shinji Ikari wrote:

Hello.

Big Al <alan@invalid.com> schrieb

On 7/15/24 09:07 AM, micky wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm >>> seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

Also usb C is faster, I think, than type A.

USB C "can" be faster. USB-C Connectors even can transport TB
Signaling.
But when you look at Notebooks in the lower price range (mostly unter 500Euro/USD), USB-C Ports only use 5GBit/s oder 10GBit/s. And both are possible also with USB-A connectors.
So in that regard I see no advantage.

USB-C is interesting when it is fully connected (so you can use it in
2 orientations) and there are many optional Features implemented.
PD
DP
USB 3.2 x2 or faster
or better TB3 or 4 over an USB-C connector.
and so on.

Yes, the jack and the implementation of the jack are two separate things.
Just like usbA jacks can be 2.0 or 3.0 or 3.1.

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Al

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On 7/15/2024 9:07 AM, micky wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

For forward compatibility (future C-only peripherals), you
could use a C connector on a laptop. Does not matter what
speed it runs at. We just want a connector.

Other than that, I recommend a good mix of connectors. That
way, not every peripheral connector requires searching in
your cable bag for "some obscure thing". It's like my situation
with graphics cards now, where I'm either running off to get
the active DP to HDMI adapter (NOT a passive one), or the DP to VGA,
or similar, just to hook up a monitor. I have a monitor with an HDMI port and...
the 1050Ti HDMI output does not work with it. Converting DP to HDMI
with an active adapter, feed that HDMI to the monitor ? Works.

Who cares if an Intel lab experiment runs at 120Gbit/sec for example ?
I don't particularly care. There are no peripherals for that.
It's not exactly a practical/usable thing. Keeps the room warm...
Can it raise the price of a laptop by $1000 ??? Yes. That
is what such inventions excel at -- raising retail price.
Let's face it, the chips to do that are only worth $25.
It's just a chip. With not a lot of little legs on it.

Paul

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:41:35 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

micky,

Is there any reason Type C is better here than Type A
or the reverse?

Well, the C type is newer than the A type, meaning that it /might/ be better constructed (taking all of the A types problems into account).

The C type also doesn't have an "up" or "down" orientation, meaning you can plug it in any way you want (which was often a problem with the A type (easy not to have it centered on the hole), leading to the joke that you always need to flip it twice before it fits).

But the reason why the C type "is better here" is simply because Europe wanted to have power adapter that could be used on any laptop or smartphone (instead of having to keep several different power bricks, one for each device).

IOW, its a choice made to combat waste.

All of that's true. However, in the short term it does mean that many
people must buy A-to-C or C-to-A dongles. Thankfully, they're cheap.



--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:58:18 -0400, Big Al wrote:

Also usb C is faster, I think, than type A.

And can transmit more electric power, so charging devices through
USB-C is faster than through USB-A.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:58:18 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 7/15/24 09:07 AM, micky wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm
seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

I still find type A jacks (if you several) are a great way to waste a jack on these usb receivers
for mice. Why take up a good usb C jack, besides they don't fit (currently or without an adapter).

You lost me here. Are you saying your mouse is A and it wont' fit in a C-jack??

FWIW, I need a new laptop and I wasnt' trying to find one with Type-C,
but if I saw one with Type-C, was there any disadvantage.

Also usb C is faster, I think, than type A.

At least one page says that
Type-C ports support reverse insertion, so you can insert either end
of the cable.
Type-C ports can transmit data at a higher rate. 4K videos can be transmitted via a USB 3.1 Type-C port.
Type-C ports support relatively larger charging currents ranging
from 3 A to 5 A, and support reverse charging.
Type-C ports are more refined in structure and more safe in use. https://consumer.huawei.com/in/support/content/en-gb00449652/

Google for "advantages of type C usb"

I did google before posting but the info is a) always starts off with
loads background, b) is overwhelming.

https://consumer.huawei.com/in/support/content/en-gb00449652/
Advantages of Type-C ports:

Type-C ports support reverse insertion, so you can insert either end of the cable.
Type-C ports can transmit data at a higher rate. 4K videos can be transmitted via a USB 3.1
Type-C port.
Type-C ports support relatively larger charging currents ranging from 3 A to 5 A, and support
reverse charging.
Type-C ports are more refined in structure and more safe in use.

LOL, same website I found!

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:07:40 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm >seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

Broadening the subject, and adding some info, maybe even a rant;

A) I found out today that not all labtops have an RJ-45 port. I've
done fine with wifi, even videos, and because of some problem with the
wifi transmitter in the router, or the receiver in my laptop, I've had
to go back and forth every couple days, for 2 years, and I don't see any difference in speed between cable and wifi. (I'm sure there is one but
if I don't see it, then it doesn't matter.) But it does matter if my
wifi breaks. They make USB wifi receivers but I don't know how good
they are.

So an RJ-45 port is another thing to look for.

B) People talk about Amazon Prime day and I was probably going go to buy
a reconditioned laptop on Amazon anyhow, so I thought maybe on prime day
I can get a new one for almost as low as reconditioned.

Skipping over another problem, all I'm searching for is 15 -15/9"
screen, 32gigs of Ram, and win11Home, and it seems they only have 8
models of that, ranging from $800 to $1319

Strangely, they also show on that page two models with win 11 PRO, not
Home that are cheaper, 500 and 689. Tthe one for 500 is Lenovo and even labeled Business Laptop, Military Durability, but no weight is given. I
had to hunt elsewhere for the weight and a simlar model is 3.75 pounds.
Oh, a photo in the original add says the same thing. That's good.

"Black color giv es it a unique visual identity". Yeah, sure, I'd be
the only one with a black laptop!

Wait.. I seached for win11 HOME, but now it's set at win11 PRO and the
only other choice is win10 PRO. Maybe you can't get 32gigs with Home.
And none of the 8 it listed are win11Home, so why were the 2 extra not
counted with the other 8?

It rates 5 stars on 7 reviews!, Only two one-line reviews, one of which
is not verified, from "My Brother Loved It" Is this for real?

It's not marked down for prime.

Looking at the similar one also on Amazon, only 3.7 stars on 20 ratings.
One 4 star review waid a week after he got it it wouldn't take a charge,
but he had disabled Secure Boot and when he re-enabled it again, it
worked! ????
4-stars, barely lasts for an hour with being on the charger.
3-stars but it seems it's because win 11 is more complicated.
Two 1-star reviews but neither says why.
3-stars 2 keys are sticking since day 2.

The first one must be only 500 because too many people return it or
don't like it.

Hmmm. I searched for the weight of the Acer premium that waws 689 and
found a listing in google that said it was marked down 150 dollars. I
looked where I had stored it, int he shopping cart, and it says "Save
$150. Clip Coupon", but in the actual parge for the item, it says
nothing about that. Still don't know the wight but it gets 5 starts on
12 ratings. but only 4 write something and only 3 are verified.

Accordign to one review it has a metal case! is that good or bad?
But the photo just says 'elegant steel grey color'.
So far I can't find the Acer Aspire premium laptop anywhere else, evat
at acer.com! Is premium just some Amazon advertizing word and they
don't say what the model is? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D63QRTTK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2HR3WADFB8IU9&psc=1

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 15 Jul 2024 12:56:29 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 7/15/24 10:59 AM, Shinji Ikari wrote:

Hello.

Big Al <alan@invalid.com> schrieb

On 7/15/24 09:07 AM, micky wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm >>>> seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or >>>> 3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have >>>> good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length >>>> etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

Also usb C is faster, I think, than type A.

USB C "can" be faster. USB-C Connectors even can transport TB
Signaling.
But when you look at Notebooks in the lower price range (mostly unter
500Euro/USD), USB-C Ports only use 5GBit/s oder 10GBit/s. And both are
possible also with USB-A connectors.
So in that regard I see no advantage.

USB-C is interesting when it is fully connected (so you can use it in
2 orientations) and there are many optional Features implemented.
PD
DP
USB 3.2 x2 or faster
or better TB3 or 4 over an USB-C connector.
and so on.

Yes, the jack and the implementation of the jack are two separate things. >Just like usbA jacks can be 2.0 or 3.0 or 3.1.

On the laptop, I use USB all the time for an external mouse, keyboard
and a set of little USB speakers. None of which are high data.

And once a day I do a backup, but I just start it and let it run so I
don't care how fast it goes.

And because the current laptop only has 3 usb jacks, I have a usb-3 hub
-- I even got one with switches to turn each jack off --

It's not like the phone I plug in the charger every day and it's a real convenience that the plug can be up or down. I only plug things into
the laptop once in a while, but OTOH, the jacks are on the side, tghe
room is often dark, and I can't see (and can never remember) which way
is up. But Shinji's stories are scary.

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On 7/16/2024 12:09 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:07:40 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

OT I thought that all laptops these days had type-C usb jacks, but I'm
seeing a bunch with Type-A**. For $10, not much money, I can get 2 or
3 adapters, and continue to use the same cable. Is there any reason
Type C is better here than Type A or the reverse?

**Maybe they are all reconditioned and several years old but they have
good specs on speed, processor, ram, Not counting the warranty length
etc, if the specs are the same, do you think new is much better?

Broadening the subject, and adding some info, maybe even a rant;

A) I found out today that not all labtops have an RJ-45 port. I've
done fine with wifi, even videos, and because of some problem with the
wifi transmitter in the router, or the receiver in my laptop, I've had
to go back and forth every couple days, for 2 years, and I don't see any difference in speed between cable and wifi. (I'm sure there is one but
if I don't see it, then it doesn't matter.) But it does matter if my
wifi breaks. They make USB wifi receivers but I don't know how good
they are.

So an RJ-45 port is another thing to look for.

B) People talk about Amazon Prime day and I was probably going go to buy
a reconditioned laptop on Amazon anyhow, so I thought maybe on prime day
I can get a new one for almost as low as reconditioned.

Skipping over another problem, all I'm searching for is 15 -15/9"
screen, 32gigs of Ram, and win11Home, and it seems they only have 8
models of that, ranging from $800 to $1319

Strangely, they also show on that page two models with win 11 PRO, not
Home that are cheaper, 500 and 689. Tthe one for 500 is Lenovo and even labeled Business Laptop, Military Durability, but no weight is given. I
had to hunt elsewhere for the weight and a simlar model is 3.75 pounds.
Oh, a photo in the original add says the same thing. That's good.

"Black color giv es it a unique visual identity". Yeah, sure, I'd be
the only one with a black laptop!

Wait.. I seached for win11 HOME, but now it's set at win11 PRO and the
only other choice is win10 PRO. Maybe you can't get 32gigs with Home.
And none of the 8 it listed are win11Home, so why were the 2 extra not counted with the other 8?

It rates 5 stars on 7 reviews!, Only two one-line reviews, one of which
is not verified, from "My Brother Loved It" Is this for real?

It's not marked down for prime.

Looking at the similar one also on Amazon, only 3.7 stars on 20 ratings.
One 4 star review waid a week after he got it it wouldn't take a charge,
but he had disabled Secure Boot and when he re-enabled it again, it
worked! ????
4-stars, barely lasts for an hour with being on the charger.
3-stars but it seems it's because win 11 is more complicated.
Two 1-star reviews but neither says why.
3-stars 2 keys are sticking since day 2.

The first one must be only 500 because too many people return it or
don't like it.

Hmmm. I searched for the weight of the Acer premium that waws 689 and
found a listing in google that said it was marked down 150 dollars. I
looked where I had stored it, int he shopping cart, and it says "Save
$150. Clip Coupon", but in the actual parge for the item, it says
nothing about that. Still don't know the wight but it gets 5 starts on
12 ratings. but only 4 write something and only 3 are verified.

Accordign to one review it has a metal case! is that good or bad?
But the photo just says 'elegant steel grey color'.
So far I can't find the Acer Aspire premium laptop anywhere else, evat
at acer.com! Is premium just some Amazon advertizing word and they
don't say what the model is? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D63QRTTK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2HR3WADFB8IU9&psc=1

Business machines arrive off-lease, for recycling.

They shipped with a Windows Pro license key. The refurbisher OS
which is installed at the refurbishing plant, it is Pro as well.

That's how Pro gets onto a refurb, while for (brand new) Home
machines, putting Pro on would cost money. It's the refurbishing
process that is "generating" Pro machines.

The downside of business machines, is the excess of security features.
For example, say a machine has password protection, and the password
is stored in a 2K EEPROM, instead of in the battery powered area of
the CMOS. If I'm a joker, when your back is turned, I go into the BIOS
Security and I define a password. You don't know what the password is.
On a "home" machine, you'd pull the CR2032, and... you could recover the machine.
On a Pro machine, if someone sets the password on you, you have to send
the laptop back to the manufacturer, to have the EEPROM reset! Business
laptops also have other schemes which can be "used against the owner".
For example, the coming Windows 11 upgrade (24H2), is likely to
encrypt the C: drive. It's easiest to do that on a Pro machine.
The user has to be aware that will happen, and know the details
of the recovery key.

If you have a home machine, and you put a non-FDE drive into it
just before the 24H2 W11 Upgrade, then the machine can't do that :-)
Having a cover to take off the unit and swap the drive, could
pay a small dividend. You would be cloning over, and cloning back,
as part of the procedure.

Paul

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