Every one of us has relatives who have problems with their computers, some
of whom we can help (normally if we're close by where they live).
But each of us has problems with our home-built desktop computers too...
Case in point:
Yesterday, for whatever reason, my ten-year-old dual monitor desktop
display was blurry. huh? I didn't change anything. I didn't even reboot.
Of course I first checked the "Windows+I | Display" settings but they're correct (why wouldn't they be... I never changed them). I right clicked on the My Computer icon to go to "Manage | Device Manager" and the graphics driver is the right driver and everything shows it to be OK.
I go back to "Windows+I | Display" and change the resolution & display & size settings back and forth, I turn off the second monitor, I switch to
the first, I change the resolution, I flip it back, all to no joy.
In this process, I also check the cabling, I reboot, I clean out the
graphics card fan and the CPU fan with compressed air, but all to no joy.
Since I'm on the net, in desperation I delete the graphics card driver, and let Windows put whatever driver it wants to put there, which turns out to
be the same Nvidia graphics card driver that was there before, but now,
it's no longer blurry. Just like it has been for the past 10 years.
I still don't know why it happened - but I'm back to joyous use of my PC.
But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
I still don't know why it happened - but I'm back to joyous use of my PC.
But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
Why did it happen?
Your driver files or a registry entry for the driver files was corrupted.
When you uninstalled(you did not delete it) the driver, Windows used the
same graphic driver inf file on the device to reinstall the required
files including replacing any corrupted files.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 14:49:49 -0400, ...winston wrote:
I still don't know why it happened - but I'm back to joyous use of my PC. >>> But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
Why did it happen?
Your driver files or a registry entry for the driver files was corrupted. >>
When you uninstalled(you did not delete it) the driver, Windows used the
same graphic driver inf file on the device to reinstall the required
files including replacing any corrupted files.
I think you're correct. It happened again.
But I had forgot to wipe out all the old stuff. >https://i.postimg.cc/rp84JC89/wipe-out-old-drivers.jpg
I had to backport to an older Nvidia graphics driver to make it work again.
I suspect the latest Nvidia graphics drivers have a bug my system hits.
Nvidia Drivers:
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
Nvidia has a choice of "Windows Driver Type: DCH or Standard" where I chose the "Standard" and that seems to have fixed the problem for now.
I'll check back later as it's strange to have a monitor just switch on its own to be blurry when it's normally crystal clear at 1920x1080 resolution.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 15:22:38 -0500, Harry S Robins wrote:
Nvidia Drivers:
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
Nvidia has a choice of "Windows Driver Type: DCH or Standard" where I chose >> the "Standard" and that seems to have fixed the problem for now.
I'll check back later as it's strange to have a monitor just switch on its >> own to be blurry when it's normally crystal clear at 1920x1080 resolution.
There must be something else going on as the backported Nvidia "Standard" driver worked for a while, and then after a reboot, it was back to blurry.
Even though the monitor has been at 1920x1080 resolution for years, I can't get more than 720p out of it. And the mouse wheel stopped scrolling well
too. I don't know why the mouse wheel would suddenly require more turns to
go to the same distance, but I'll tackle that one later as the blurry graphics are the bigger problem for now.
For an older desktop, do you use the "Standard" or "DCH" Nvidia drivers?
Here's an output from the Nvidia System Information program.
NVIDIA System Information report created on: 07/02/2024 13:24:00
System name: Harold
[Display]
DirectX version: 12.0 GPU processor: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
Driver version: 556.12
Driver Type: DCH
Direct3D feature level: 11_0
CUDA Cores: 640 Core clock: 1019 MHz Memory data rate: 5.40 Gbps
Memory interface: 128-bit Memory bandwidth: 86.40 GB/s
Total available graphics memory: 10239 MB
Dedicated video memory: 2048 MB GDDR5
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 8191 MB
Video BIOS version: 82.07.84.00.31
IRQ: Not used
Bus: PCI Express x16 Gen2
[Components]
NvGFTrayPluginr.dll 2.11.4.125 NVIDIA GeForce Experience
NvGFTrayPlugin.dll 2.11.4.125 NVIDIA GeForce Experience
nvui.dll 8.17.15.5612 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdplcy.dll 8.17.15.5612 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdbat.dll 8.17.15.5612 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdapix.dll 8.17.15.5612 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
NVCPL.DLL 8.17.15.5612 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvCplUIR.dll 8.1.940.0 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvCplUI.exe 8.1.940.0 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvWSSR.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Workstation Server
nvWSS.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Workstation Server
nvViTvSR.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Video Server
nvViTvS.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Video Server
nvMoblSR.dll 6.14.13.4201 NVIDIA Mobile Server
nvMoblS.dll 6.14.13.4201 NVIDIA Mobile Server
nvLicensingS.dll 6.14.15.5612 NVIDIA Licensing Server
nvDevToolSR.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Licensing Server
nvDevToolS.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
nvDispSR.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Display Server
NVMCTRAY.DLL 8.17.13.4201 NVIDIA Media Center Library
nvDispS.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA Display Server
NVCUDA64.DLL 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA CUDA 12.5.85 driver
nvGameSR.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
nvGameS.dll 32.0.15.5612 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
https://www.techspot.com/products/graphics-cards/nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti.99815/
February 18, 2014 # Somewhere around ten years old.
Likely does not have a GOP videoBIOS to go with the UEFI BIOS.
So we have a few more variables to play with
UEFI or CSM
GOP or legacy VideoBIOS "standard", GOP working with UEFI
DCH or Standard (NVidia uses "containerization" for its driver, that is all I know)
InSupport or OutOfSupport (Probably six years of real support, a few more years of DontCare)
On my GTX1080, I'm on driver 536.23 (issued 6/8/2023) on Win10.
My "dxdiag" status is:
DirectDraw Acceleration: Enabled (2D, BitBlt, Bresenham)
Direct3D Acceleration: Enabled (3D )
AGP Texture Acceleration: Enabled [On a PCI Express card??? It's not a GART. Some other kind of mapping]
A good deal of activity on the desktop, may be accessing the
OpenGL or later (Vulcan?) standard. For example, Ryzen Master
(an overclocker tool, that can be used just for monitoring),
it has an intermediary blurry display routine it uses, which
I associate with pretending to bring up OpenGL to display
the hardware information. This is an affectation, not a necessity.
NVidia has a control panel. The W10/W11 have the capability to load
an "NVidia App" or similar, to go with a "bare bones catalog.update
driver". In there, are some rotating elements, like a video
tuner and the like. I would examine the visual output of those,
as the output to some extent is determined by NVidia developers.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/SsgXcd8j/GTX1080-control-panel-536.gif
NVIDIA System Information report
System name: GREGORE
[Display]
DirectX version: 12.0
GPU processor: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080
Driver version: 536.23
Driver Type: DCH
Direct3D feature level: 12_1
CUDA Cores: 2560
Core clock: 1620 MHz
Memory data rate: 10.01 Gbps
Memory interface: 256-bit
Memory bandwidth: 320.32 GB/s
Total available graphics memory: 40926 MB
Dedicated video memory: 8192 MB GDDR5X
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 32734 MB
Video BIOS version: 86.04.60.40.24
IRQ: Not used
Bus: PCI Express x16 Gen3
Device Id: 10DE 1B80 145119DA
Part Number: G413 0000
[Components]
nvui.dll 8.17.15.3623 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component nvxdplcy.dll 8.17.15.3623 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component nvxdbat.dll 8.17.15.3623 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component nvxdapix.dll 8.17.15.3623 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component NVCPL.DLL 8.17.15.3623 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component nvCplUIR.dll 8.1.940.0 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvCplUI.exe 8.1.940.0 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvWSSR.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Workstation Server
nvWSS.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Workstation Server
nvViTvSR.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Video Server
nvViTvS.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Video Server
nvLicensingS.dll 6.14.15.3623 NVIDIA Licensing Server
nvDevToolSR.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Licensing Server
nvDevToolS.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
nvDispSR.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Display Server
nvDispS.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA Display Server
PhysX 09.21.0713 NVIDIA PhysX
NVCUDA64.DLL 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA CUDA 12.2.79 driver
nvGameSR.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
nvGameS.dll 31.0.15.3623 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
DXDiag Display tab says the driver model is: WDDM 2.7
whereas on a Win11 machine, the AMD driver (Zen8) is WDDM 3.1 .
I believe I barely got by on W10, with a WDDM 1.1 driver, when
the XDDM driver for the GMA graphics "was not good enough"
for 22H2 to install. Any sort of WDDM driver should work, more
or less. Using the HD6450 card passed well enough, for the upgrade
install to progress.
My 1080 (WDDM 2.7) is likely out of support now, so the
driver versioning in that sense is unlikely to change.
[Picture] GPU-Z Version 2.55
https://i.postimg.cc/rwzKLxBL/GPU-Z-Examples.gif
On 7/2/2024 9:28 AM, Harry S Robins wrote:
Every one of us has relatives who have problems with their computers,
some
of whom we can help (normally if we're close by where they live).
But each of us has problems with our home-built desktop computers too...
Case in point:
Yesterday, for whatever reason, my ten-year-old dual monitor desktop
display was blurry. huh? I didn't change anything. I didn't even reboot.
Of course I first checked the "Windows+I | Display" settings but they're
correct (why wouldn't they be... I never changed them). I right
clicked on
the My Computer icon to go to "Manage | Device Manager" and the graphics
driver is the right driver and everything shows it to be OK.
I go back to "Windows+I | Display" and change the resolution & display & >> size settings back and forth, I turn off the second monitor, I switch to
the first, I change the resolution, I flip it back, all to no joy.
In this process, I also check the cabling, I reboot, I clean out the
graphics card fan and the CPU fan with compressed air, but all to no joy.
Since I'm on the net, in desperation I delete the graphics card
driver, and
let Windows put whatever driver it wants to put there, which turns out to
be the same Nvidia graphics card driver that was there before, but now,
it's no longer blurry. Just like it has been for the past 10 years.
I still don't know why it happened - but I'm back to joyous use of my PC.
But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
I still don't know why it happened - but I'm back to joyous use of my PC. >>> But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
Those are the people that stand in line at Apple, and (happily?) pay for
the privilege. I know some.
I don't know why every time I look away from this machine, in the past two days now, it goes to a lower resolution. I keep replacing the driver, and that fixes it for a while, and then it goes back to lower resolution.
Still working it... Lately, I pity people like me. :)
On 7/2/2024 11:09 AM, philo wrote:
On 7/2/2024 9:28 AM, Harry S Robins wrote:
Every one of us has relatives who have problems with their computers,
some
of whom we can help (normally if we're close by where they live).
But each of us has problems with our home-built desktop computers too... >>> Case in point:
Yesterday, for whatever reason, my ten-year-old dual monitor desktop
display was blurry. huh? I didn't change anything. I didn't even reboot. >>>
Of course I first checked the "Windows+I | Display" settings but they're >>> correct (why wouldn't they be... I never changed them). I right
clicked on
the My Computer icon to go to "Manage | Device Manager" and the graphics >>> driver is the right driver and everything shows it to be OK.
I go back to "Windows+I | Display" and change the resolution & display & >>> size settings back and forth, I turn off the second monitor, I switch to >>> the first, I change the resolution, I flip it back, all to no joy.
In this process, I also check the cabling, I reboot, I clean out the
graphics card fan and the CPU fan with compressed air, but all to no joy. >>>
Since I'm on the net, in desperation I delete the graphics card
driver, and
let Windows put whatever driver it wants to put there, which turns out to >>> be the same Nvidia graphics card driver that was there before, but now,
it's no longer blurry. Just like it has been for the past 10 years.
I still don't know why it happened - but I'm back to joyous use of my PC. >>> But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
Those are the people that stand in line at Apple, and (happily?) pay for
the privilege. I know some.
I can see signs in Google, of a "competition" between the hardware company driver and the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter.
https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/amd-graphics-card-drivers-keep-getting-disabled-and-defaulting/td-p/671605
A recurring problem even with the same, newer, standard or DCH drivers
may not be 'driver' related. The hardware(graphic or display) could be
a contributor.
I can see signs in Google, of a "competition" between the hardware company >> driver and the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter.
https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/amd-graphics-card-drivers-keep-getting-disabled-and-defaulting/td-p/671605
I've had a similar "war" between a Microsoft provided graphics driver
and a Lenovo provided driver, I just pretend I can't hear the crossfire.
Those are the people that stand in line at Apple, and (happily?) pay for
the privilege. I know some.
Well, there you are. I think I'm pretty good with managing my Windows computer after a lifetime in IT / software development, but I also like
my iPhone.
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:14:03 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
I can see signs in Google, of a "competition" between the hardware company >>> driver and the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter.
https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/amd-graphics-card-drivers-keep-getting-disabled-and-defaulting/td-p/671605
I've had a similar "war" between a Microsoft provided graphics driver and a Lenovo provided driver, I just pretend I can't hear the crossfire.
Agree with you that, for all I know it could be caused by a Windows update, as the mouse scroll wheel reverted to a slow setting at the very same time.
Even in Irfanview, when I scrolled with the mouse wheel, normally one turn
is one image but it reverted to multiple turns to scroll to the next image.
I haven't changed the mouse scroll in probably five or more years.
Yet the mouse scroll went slow at the same time the display went blurry.
Web pages took an inordinate number of scrolls of the mouse wheel too. So whatever screwed up the display drivers also screwed up the mouse.
However it was much easier to recover from the mouse setting getting wiped out. The display settings keep reverting to 720p instead of 1080i.
My current workaround is to open the device manager and right click on "Display adapters > NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti" and "Uninstall device"
(making sure to check the box to get rid of everything).
At that point, I have about 30 seconds to right click on the desktop to select the "Display settings" context menu to set the "Display resolution"
to "1920x1080 (Recommended)" but after about 30 seconds, it reverts to only having three choices of "1280x720 (Recommended)", "1176x664" & "800x600".
The monitor has a handheld remote control, where the only input I'm using
is the HDMI input (which is connected by HDMI cable to the "Nvidia FeForce GTX 750 Ti" graphics card).
If I use the handheld remote control to query the monitor to ask the
monitor what it thinks is the input it's getting from the Nvidia graphics card, consistently it says "HDMI 720p" when it's screwed up and "HDMI
1080i" when I manage to get it working (I have only about 30 seconds to
make the switchover in the Windows rightclick Display settings context).
I pity all of us. :)
https://i.postimg.cc/nL3fqs5H/display01.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XqQ5bk1R/display02.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W1n1f1Ky/display03.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/v8qDGTZw/display04.jpg
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 02:40:56 -0400, ...winston wrote:
A recurring problem even with the same, newer, standard or DCH drivers
may not be 'driver' related. The hardware(graphic or display) could
be a contributor.
Since you are not progressing I would suggest shutting off PC and make
sure all connections are "good" by manipulating the graphics card and
cable connections.
Your picture number 02 there is also some weirdness. It's not often
you see a claim a monitor is using an interleaved mode. Almost
like the display device in question is a TV set. In 2024 even an LCD TV set shouldn't be doing that. Digital TV is likely to be progressive (it's an
MPG video stream or similar), and the display does not need ATSC CRT tube support :-)
You can try the logging control option here, and see if you can get more
than just a dull dull "driver install failed" for the core driver. No guarantees of course -- we're dealing with non-communicative devs here.
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3171/~/how-to-enable-nvidia-graphics-driver-and-geforce-experience-installer-logging
I've already told my story long ago, about being a hardware guy and
writing code, and noticing that proper error handling meant looking
in two places. An easy-to-get "terse" error, like a minus one (
about the equivalent of "Something Happened", and the next layer
down had a detailed error code. So in my utility I was writing, I
went the extra distance to show the actual error. And I asked my
guys, why some of our system stuff was blowing -1 and not being
honest about root cause. They just looked at me and said "we don't
bother doing the extra work for that". They were quite happy blowing
-1 error codes into the air like confetti :-) And that's how it is.
*******
If I were at your house right now, my next move would be:
1) Spare disk drive.
2) Grab Win10 older release DVD. Disconnect network. Install.
3) Install the Geforce Experience package that was failing.
4) Examine the details, such as "dxdiag" and see if the driver
is a WDDM driver (as close to 3.1 as you can get, 3.1 is the
newest I know of, on my oldish vid cards). A WDDM of 1.1 or so,
is getting close to the limit for 22H2 and may cause problems.
The purpose of an exercise like this, is to see what the
conditions look like when the stuff is working. And see if you
can spot the "rough edge" it is tripping over.
I've noticed catalog.update.microsoft.com, has some stuff removed
for proper Win10 support. That's why the other machine right now,
the Win10 is missing X79 labeling of some entries in Device Manager.
It used to do that long ago, they fixed it, now it is doing it
again (because they threw away the support to make it work).
NVidia does blacklist at the OS level (they were supporting WIn7
and preventing a driver installing on Win8.1 as an example), but
then why would the rest of the package install ?
If this remains stable, is there a way to lock out display driver updates?
I wonder who gets that input, if anyone...
What is making it update from 3/17/2022 version 30.0.15.1215?
How can I prevent it from updating to 5/6/2024 31.0.15.5241?
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 11:05:46 -0400, Zaidy036 wrote:
Since you are not progressing I would suggest shutting off PC and make sure all connections are "good" by manipulating the graphics card and cable connections.
Thanks for that advice, where I'm happy to report, for the first time in something like three days, the daily morning bootup came in at 1080i.
For the first time in days, it defaulted upon reboot to the desired "1920x1080 (Recommended)" resolution, which doesn't even show up as a
choice when the daily morning bootup came in at "HDMI 720p" yesterday. https://i.postimg.cc/cCQ3Ljcz/display05.jpg
So now I'm back to dual monitors and the correct resolution on the main monitor (which is a biggie so I need it for my tired old eyes to see).
To your concern about hardware, I also haven't figured out if this is a hardware or software problem, but the fact it works after jiggling only the software, indicates to me that it's a software issue that suddenly came up.
Also to your helpful point about intermittent hardware issues, long ago I pulled and yanked and wiggled everything and I even swapped an HDMI cable from a different setup and long ago I blew the can of air on the graphics card fan (as it is hot outside these days but GPU-Z & MSI Afterburner show nothing abnormal in the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti temperature readings.
I think it's software but I do agree it seems to have hardware aspects.
I am looking for a GPU tester that is better than MSI Afterburner/GPU-Z.
I wonder who gets that input, if anyone...
What is making it update from 3/17/2022 version 30.0.15.1215?
How can I prevent it from updating to 5/6/2024 31.0.15.5241?
If it were me I'd check Autoruns and maybe Task Manager. Also
services. Make sure there isn't something waking up the NVidia
updater. Also look for an updater executable somewhere. Something
has to run in order to check for updates.
I have a ridiculous Intel Arc control paanel or some such
that sets itself to load. I disable that in Autoruns. Finally, you
should have a firewall. Try Simplewall. Nothing should be
able to go out that you haven't approved of, especially these
days when so many things are trying to call home.
Those are the only two places where you could have automatic GPU driver updates.NVIDIA drivers do not update by themselves."
This says the automatic update is happening inside of something called "GeForce Experience", which I guess I have to see if I can find it. https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/how-to-disable-automatic-driver-updates-from-nvidia-in-windows-11/280662/3
Every one of us has relatives who have problems with their computers, some
of whom we can help (normally if we're close by where they live).
snip <
But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
But this is why I feel sorry for people who don't know how to work them.
Much like mechanics who say the same about people servicing their own cars.
You can use the "Real Time Option" on this program, to check
that the EDID table is currently connected and accessible
via the two serial pins (on all connectors). The EDID table lists
the "capabilities" of the monitor, and the video card reads this occasionally.
https://entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 17:49:49 -0400, Paul wrote:chromaticity values, Â native and recommended resolutions with exact timing parameters, Â as well as device minimum requirements and maximum limits.
You can use the "Real Time Option" on this program, to check
that the EDID table is currently connected and accessible
via the two serial pins (on all connectors). The EDID table lists
the "capabilities" of the monitor, and the video card reads this
occasionally.
  https://entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm
Thanks for that monitor troubleshooting & identification suggestion.
At first, I didn't understand a word of the above (EDID table?) but I did appreciate the link to the display debugging software, which says it
queries the display to tell you unambiguously what the display is.
https://entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm https://entechtaiwan.com/files/mi_setup.exe
Name: 20240701_mi_setup.exe
Size: 728880 bytes (711 KiB)
SHA256: FB9AC31EFEE625E279069B3C99663D1B7838DD94820618EB2A5CEBCC65A0149F  Monitor Asset Manager queries the monitor directly rather than  relying on potentially dubious information stored in the registry.  All the information provided by the display to the system is displayed  including DPM and GTF/CVT support, color
The part that is interesting to me with regard to the 1080i (interlaced) rather than 1080p (progressive) is the "native & recommended resolutions" (although I don't know what it means to have "exact timing parameters".
Here's output, with those native & recommended resolutions & parameters. https://i.postimg.cc/5y0S9F0T/display13.jpg
First notice here's where Paul's mention of the EDID table comes from. https://media.extron.com/public/download/files/articles/understandingedid.pdf
Notice the suggested MonInfo tool reads the monitor EDID to tell me that Native/Preferred timing is "1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)"
Detailed timing is "720x480p at 60Hz (4:3)"
Both of which seem to be what is reported independently of Windows at the
top right of my monitor when I use the remote control to query what it is. https://i.postimg.cc/XqQ5bk1R/display02.jpg
As for the EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) table, I googled. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/display/overriding-monitor-edids
"All monitors, analog or digital, must support EDID, which contains information such as the monitor identifier, manufacturer data,
hardware identifier, timing info, and so on. This data is stored
in the monitor's EEPROM in a format that VESA specifies."
In keeping with the topic which was I'm glad I know enough about computers
to be able to solve some problems, you can actually override the EDID with
an INF file, which, I'll wager not one of us on this newsgroup has done.
Having read that, I suspect the reason you brought it up was that the
MonInfo program is faithfully reported what is in the EDID EEProm. Right?
If so, the suggested MonInfo confirmed the monitor is 1080p and/or 720p, but I'm not quite sure what the difference is between Native/Preferred
timing and Detailed timing. Looking it up, the first hit is the exact
problem I'm having, only on a much older Windows and a different card. https://superuser.com/questions/1011441/monitor-not-displaying-native-resolution
This next hit suggests the preferred mode is generally the best resolution but the monitor has "inferred" modes just to give the user some choices. https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/1139683-display-inferred-and-preferred-modes-resolution-a
Anyway, the problem has been resolved, thanks to all of your help, where at first I was cocky that I had simply reloaded the driver but it took a few days before I realized that there was more work to be done to solve it.
Results below.
https://i.postimg.cc/nL3fqs5H/display01.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XqQ5bk1R/display02.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W1n1f1Ky/display03.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/v8qDGTZw/display04.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cCQ3Ljcz/display05.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W3xhRPQZ/display06.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3RGv9BRY/display07.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WzZr5P29/display08.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/C1j6X9LK/display09.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SNnG3wKf/display10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nVWFYwwD/display11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WzzvLYMR/display12.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5y0S9F0T/display13.jpg
It happened again today after my morning reboot on Tuesday August 20, 2024. https://i.postimg.cc/nhdg6Cp1/display14.jpg
When I booted this morning, the display was set to 720p instead of 1080i.
Windows 10, for whatever reason, updated the last known good working
version of the Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti display driver from the working 3/17/2022 (30.0.15.1215) version to the non-working 6/25/2024
(32.0.15.5612) version, which necessitated a rollback operation to fix.
Not only do I still feel sorry for people who don't know how to work with computers, but I feel sorry for those who can't post to this ng for help!
It happened again today after my morning reboot on Tuesday August 20, 2024. >> https://i.postimg.cc/nhdg6Cp1/display14.jpg
When I booted this morning, the display was set to 720p instead of 1080i.
Windows 10, for whatever reason, updated the last known good working
version of the Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti display driver from the working
3/17/2022 (30.0.15.1215) version to the non-working 6/25/2024
(32.0.15.5612) version, which necessitated a rollback operation to fix.
Not only do I still feel sorry for people who don't know how to work with
computers, but I feel sorry for those who can't post to this ng for help!
I haven't followed the whole of this thread, so pardon me if I'm leading
us backwards.
What has happened smells strongly of a Win10 setting; allow/ disallow
driver updates. I have mine switched off, like most regulars here.
On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 16:59:40 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
It happened again today after my morning reboot on Tuesday August 20, 2024. >>> https://i.postimg.cc/nhdg6Cp1/display14.jpgI haven't followed the whole of this thread, so pardon me if I'm leading us backwards. What has happened smells strongly of a Win10 setting; allow/ disallow driver updates. I have mine switched off, like most regulars here.
When I booted this morning, the display was set to 720p instead of 1080i. >>>
Windows 10, for whatever reason, updated the last known good working
version of the Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti display driver from the working >>> 3/17/2022 (30.0.15.1215) version to the non-working 6/25/2024
(32.0.15.5612) version, which necessitated a rollback operation to fix.
Not only do I still feel sorry for people who don't know how to work with >>> computers, but I feel sorry for those who can't post to this ng for help! >>
I remember that Paul had noted it and at the time I had set it but it apparently is a red herring because that setting simply does not work.
Let me google it on the automatic archives for this particular newsgroup
to find where Paul had mentioned it - ok - I just found it searching this. https://tinyurl.com/nova-alt-comp-os-windows-10 https://tinyurl.com/nova-alt-comp-os-windows-11 https://tinyurl.com/nova-alt-comp-hardware-pc-home
It was mentioned three times in this thread according to that search. https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=5561&group=alt.comp.os.windows-11#5561
https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=5597&group=alt.comp.os.windows-11#5597
https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=5606&group=alt.comp.os.windows-11#5606
However, none of those 3 mentions says how to disallow driver updates.
One of those is from you. The other from me. The third from Paul.
But none say how to do it. Only Paul mentioned it in this thread.
Looking up how to disallow Windows driver updates, the topic has never been discussed on this newsgroup before, so I'm on my own breaking new ground. https://www.novabbs.com/computers/search.php (disallow driver updates)
Searching Google for "disable driver updates" first and foremost https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+10+disable+driver+updates
What comes up as a solution is this https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-stop-automatic-driver-updates/
Press Win + S to open the search menu.
Type control panel and press Enter.
Navigate to System > Advanced System Settings.
In the System Properties window, switch to the Hardware tab and click the Device Installation Settings button.
Select No and click Save Changes.
The problem is that has been set since Paul suggested it.
So the update isn't coming from there.
On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 10:24:09 -0500, Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> wrote:
| It happened again today after my morning reboot on Tuesday August 20, 2024. | https://i.postimg.cc/nhdg6Cp1/display14.jpg
|
| When I booted this morning, the display was set to 720p instead of 1080i.
|
| Windows 10, for whatever reason, updated the last known good working
| version of the Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti display driver from the working
| 3/17/2022 (30.0.15.1215) version to the non-working 6/25/2024
| (32.0.15.5612) version, which necessitated a rollback operation to fix.
|
| Not only do I still feel sorry for people who don't know how to work with
| computers, but I feel sorry for those who can't post to this ng for help!
I have the same GPU in one of my computers and had problems with a recent driver that
wouldn't install on that computer for some reason. Don't recall if it was 32.0.15.5612. The driver istalled and ran fine on 3 other PCs with Nvidia GPUs. I
am running driver 32.0.15.6081 dated 7/30/2024 at 1920x1080 on the 750 Ti machine now
with no problems. Since Nvidia sometimes updates its drivers to comply with Windows
changes, I try to keep up to date with them.
Larc
Not only do I still feel sorry for people who don't know how to work with computers, but I feel sorry for those who can't post to this ng for help!
On 8/20/2024 11:24 AM, Harry S Robins wrote:
Not only do I still feel sorry for people who don't know how to work with
computers, but I feel sorry for those who can't post to this ng for help!
That's the unique arrogance of geeks. Do you also feel sorry
for people who don't know how to cook? Dance? Do their taxes?
Change their oil? Farm? Chop down a tree? Write a novel?
Diagnose an illness? Fill a tooth?
That thinking is why Linux has had such a hard time getting
established. Geeks equate tech aptitude with intelligence. It's
also why geeks have a hard time in social situations.
Linux is established. It just happens to not have as many users
On 8/23/24 12:14, Paul wrote:
Linux is established. It just happens to not have as many users
It does not matter how good Linux gets and it is pretty
good now-a-days, much better than Windows, until the
apps that Windows has get ported over.
T wrote:
On 8/23/24 12:14, Paul wrote:
Linux is established. It just happens to not have as many users
It does not matter how good Linux gets and it is pretty
good now-a-days, much better than Windows, until the
apps that Windows has get ported over.
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
T wrote:
On 8/23/24 12:14, Paul wrote:
Linux is established. It just happens to not have as many users
It does not matter how good Linux gets and it is pretty
good now-a-days, much better than Windows, until the
apps that Windows has get ported over.
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
On 8/23/2024 4:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
 WINE is still there. Not much good. A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
On 8/23/24 05:27 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 8/23/2024 4:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:I disagree. Yes, Wine is not well tuned.  It has it's rough edges, but it works.  It fills a niche for those who left Windows for Linux.  I wouldn't run a WIndow CAD program with it, and there are a lot of native Linux apps that can mimic what Windows does.
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
  WINE is still there. Not much good. A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
On 8/23/24 05:27 PM, Newyana2 wrote:what Windows does.
On 8/23/2024 4:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:I disagree. Yes, Wine is not well tuned.  It has it's rough edges, but it works.  It fills a niche for those who left Windows for Linux.  I wouldn't run a WIndow CAD program with it, and there are a lot of native Linux apps that can mimic
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
  WINE is still there. Not much good. A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
On 23/08/2024 22:15, T wrote:
The problem with Wine is that it is at best
Alpha code stage. It is hit or miss to get a
Windows program to run.
You can use bottles. <https://usebottles.com/>
On 8/23/24 14:27, Newyana2 wrote:
A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
That has changed. It is now pretty easy. I do
remember your pain though.
But if you run one of the badly supported distros,
then you have to live with it.
The best supported distro is Fedora. Ubooboo has
badly slipped behind.
Here is a list of all the supported desktops in Fedora
and their Live USB downloads. My two favorites are
MATE and Xfce. KDE is good too, but a bit bloated.
Gnome (the default) is too weird to be usable.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
Here is a list of all the supported desktops in Fedora
and their Live USB downloads. My two favorites are
MATE and Xfce. KDE is good too, but a bit bloated.
Gnome (the default) is too weird to be usable.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
Sounds like only pure luck would allow you to stumble onto exactly the
right "distro" out of hundreds, and end up with something that really
works.
Hell, that's no better than dealing with windows. Sounds the same to me.
At least it's free, so all you're wasting is your time.
The problem with Wine is that it is at best
Alpha code stage. It is hit or miss to get a
Windows program to run.
On 8/23/24 15:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
Here is a list of all the supported desktops in Fedora
and their Live USB downloads. My two favorites are
MATE and Xfce. KDE is good too, but a bit bloated.
Gnome (the default) is too weird to be usable.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
Sounds like only pure luck would allow you to stumble onto exactly the
right "distro" out of hundreds, and end up with something that really works. >>
Hell, that's no better than dealing with windows. Sounds the same to me.
At least it's free, so all you're wasting is your time.
If you can't get your stuff to work on Linux, then
stay with Windows.
As far as distros go, just use Fedora. They
are arguably the best. Do not waste your time
with all the other distros. They are lacking.
If you are thinking of trying Fedroa, I highly recommend
going to
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
and testing on a USB stick KDE, MATE, and Xfce.
T wrote:
On 8/23/24 12:14, Paul wrote:
Linux is established. It just happens to not have as many users
It does not matter how good Linux gets and it is pretty
good now-a-days, much better than Windows, until the
apps that Windows has get ported over.
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
T wrote:
On 8/23/24 15:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
Here is a list of all the supported desktops in Fedora
and their Live USB downloads. My two favorites are
MATE and Xfce. KDE is good too, but a bit bloated.
Gnome (the default) is too weird to be usable.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
Sounds like only pure luck would allow you to stumble onto exactly
the right "distro" out of hundreds, and end up with something that
really works.
Hell, that's no better than dealing with windows. Sounds the same to me. >>>
At least it's free, so all you're wasting is your time.
If you can't get your stuff to work on Linux, then
stay with Windows.
As far as distros go, just use Fedora. They
are arguably the best. Do not waste your time
with all the other distros. They are lacking.
If you are thinking of trying Fedroa, I highly recommend
going to
   https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
and testing on a USB stick KDE, MATE, and Xfce.
Hell, it almost sounds like a religious squabble.
I'll be sure to stay away from Fedroa. Thanks.
On 8/23/24 05:27 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 8/23/2024 4:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:I disagree. Yes, Wine is not well tuned. It has it's rough edges, but
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
WINE is still there. Not much good. A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
it works. It fills a niche for those who left Windows for Linux. I wouldn't run a WIndow CAD program with it, and there are a lot of native Linux apps that can mimic what Windows does.
On 8/23/2024 5:32 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/23/24 05:27 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 8/23/2024 4:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:I disagree. Yes, Wine is not well tuned.  It has it's rough edges,
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
  WINE is still there. Not much good. A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
but it works.  It fills a niche for those who left Windows for
Linux.  I wouldn't run a WIndow CAD program with it, and there are a
lot of native Linux apps that can mimic what Windows does.
 I actually found it more useful in the early days when one
could install Windows libraries and fonts. Then they tried to make
it all Linux, and they split 32-bit vs 64-bit. Last time I tried it
the whole thing was very complicated and less accessible.
 It's a strange kind of Linux pathology. In the early days it was primitive, but it worked if you figured it out. It was like having to
build a campfire to make coffee. A lot of work. A lot of arcane
commandline incantations and editing /etc files. But it at least
made sense.
  Then they jumped from there to locked down "convenience".
Now there's a complicated coffee maker that doesn't work half
the time, but it's too complicated and closed to fix it. And there's
no longer an option to build a campfire.
  So now we have a Mac on acid. It doesn't work right, but it's
mostly locked down. The worst of both worlds. And when one
asks the experts for help they get mad: "Stop trying to do things
and stop trying to understand. And for God's sake never use root.
Just use Linux and love it. If you screw around then you might break something and give Linux a bad reputation."
 I think the primary problem with WINE is that it was never meant
to support Windows software for Windows refugees. It was meant to
run Grand Theft Auto for pimple-faced Linux geeks. The didn't copy
the API to a Linux API so that all Windoows software could work
equally well. They worked at intercepting API calls, one at a time,
and rerouting them to Linux libraries. And mostly they only care about getting games to work.
On 8/23/24 16:29, Hank Rogers wrote:
T wrote:
On 8/23/24 15:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
Here is a list of all the supported desktops in Fedora
and their Live USB downloads. My two favorites are
MATE and Xfce. KDE is good too, but a bit bloated.
Gnome (the default) is too weird to be usable.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
Sounds like only pure luck would allow you to stumble onto exactly the right "distro" out of hundreds, and end up with something that really works.
Hell, that's no better than dealing with windows. Sounds the same to me. >>>>
At least it's free, so all you're wasting is your time.
If you can't get your stuff to work on Linux, then
stay with Windows.
As far as distros go, just use Fedora. They
are arguably the best. Do not waste your time
with all the other distros. They are lacking.
If you are thinking of trying Fedroa, I highly recommend
going to
   https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
and testing on a USB stick KDE, MATE, and Xfce.
Hell, it almost sounds like a religious squabble.
I'll be sure to stay away from Fedroa. Thanks.
If Windows is meeting your needs, stay with it.
Move to Fedora is not.
On 8/23/24 18:27, Newyana2 wrote:
On 8/23/2024 5:32 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/23/24 05:27 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 8/23/2024 4:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:I disagree. Yes, Wine is not well tuned.  It has it's rough edges,
Does Linux no longer support WINE?
  WINE is still there. Not much good. A pain to set up.
Like most of Linux, you try to use it and end up on a 2
day search for fixes.
but it works.  It fills a niche for those who left Windows for
Linux.  I wouldn't run a WIndow CAD program with it, and there are a
lot of native Linux apps that can mimic what Windows does.
  I actually found it more useful in the early days when one
could install Windows libraries and fonts. Then they tried to make
it all Linux, and they split 32-bit vs 64-bit. Last time I tried it
the whole thing was very complicated and less accessible.
  It's a strange kind of Linux pathology. In the early days it was
primitive, but it worked if you figured it out. It was like having to
build a campfire to make coffee. A lot of work. A lot of arcane
commandline incantations and editing /etc files. But it at least
made sense.
   Then they jumped from there to locked down "convenience".
Now there's a complicated coffee maker that doesn't work half
the time, but it's too complicated and closed to fix it. And there's
no longer an option to build a campfire.
   So now we have a Mac on acid. It doesn't work right, but it's
mostly locked down. The worst of both worlds. And when one
asks the experts for help they get mad: "Stop trying to do things
and stop trying to understand. And for God's sake never use root.
Just use Linux and love it. If you screw around then you might break
something and give Linux a bad reputation."
  I think the primary problem with WINE is that it was never meant
to support Windows software for Windows refugees. It was meant to
run Grand Theft Auto for pimple-faced Linux geeks. The didn't copy
the API to a Linux API so that all Windoows software could work
equally well. They worked at intercepting API calls, one at a time,
and rerouting them to Linux libraries. And mostly they only care about
getting games to work.
Good analysis.
Wine and LibreOffice show the downside of Open Source.
They give away the software for free and then charge
for the maintenance. If you can not afford to put
them on your payroll, you are stuck with their
charity. Creates a hostage situation. And they
really do deserve to get paid for what they do.
I also find it very interesting that the wildly complicated
gaming environment is so well supported in Wine.  There
are YouTube videos out there showing Fedora's DNF command
installing hundreds of dependencies for the installation
of a single Windows game.
Wine and LibreOffice show the downside of Open Source.
They give away the software for free and then charge
for the maintenance. If you can not afford to put
them on your payroll, you are stuck with their
charity. Creates a hostage situation. And they
really do deserve to get paid for what they do.
I also find it very interesting that the wildly complicated
gaming environment is so well supported in Wine. There
are YouTube videos out there showing Fedora's DNF command
installing hundreds of dependencies for the installation
of a single Windows game.
Linux is governed by the ten classifications of packages.
Distros have religion.
They don't ship things by default,
that do not have clear title. Notice how in the past,
NVidia binary blobs, you were installing those with a
.run file you downloaded from Nvidia. They weren't in the tree.
In FFMPEG, notice the Linux version of FFMPEG does not
have NVDEC and NVENC acceleration. This is a build time
option (as most things are in FFMPEG). When I wanted
to have NVDEC and NVENC in Linux FFMPEG (Ubuntu), I
downloaded the source and compiled it, I added the library,
all the materials needed for the job were in the tree.
The version alignment was all correct. Nobody tried to throw
me off the trail. The rails were greased... but, you had to
build it yourself.
The reason for that, is it changed the classification of
sudo apt install ffmpeg
if NVDEC and NVENC had been put in the executable. From
a religious perspective then, they reached into their build
script and turned off NVDEC and NVENC.
Everything they do, there is a religious interpretation.
Even your Fedora lads can be doing this.
If you want to crack a Hollywood DVD and copy it, look
at the number of indirections involved before the package
downloads from somewhere. This too is a practical issue,
the "avoidance of lawyers and their ilk".
You have to keep a weather eye peeled, to figure this stuff out.
This is also why, on a LiveDVD, you may have to enable multiverse
and universe yourself. It would be un-religious to have them
turned on by default. Ubuntu turns them off. LinuxMint (a fork of sorts) turns them on. And so it goes. As far as I know, there are more
cowboys in fedora-land, but I don't live there, and have no forensic
analysis to offer.
As far as the "500 distros" go, I have no interest any more, in
testing them. I tried one maybe a month and a half ago, it crashed
on boot (two year old computer). Jebus. You have to be especially
careful when installing them, because the installer will tempt you
with a "trash disk?" option :-/ Be careful out there. If you were
to watch me, you'd see me do Next, exclaim "Really???", then Back,
then try something, try Next, "unhuh", and so on. It's really
pretty funny.
It was Debian that caused me to lose three partitions one day.
And standard rules for installation -- only one disk drive should
be in the computer during an installation. This prevents shit
being sprayed all over the place. You can also*back up* that
single drive (in case Debian is hiding in your room and
will leap out and yell "surprise!").
Paul
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
-T
On Sun, 8/25/2024 9:59 PM, T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
-T
Well, never the less, I'm warning you about the content I've
seen on a web page, which classifies software according
to the "rules of purity".
If you see a behavior that seems strange in LinuxLand,
keep this in mind.
What I want people to have, is a framework of reference, so
when they see strange stuff, they will know how to react.
It's not just about "slapping some software together".
The inclusion of NVidia as a default driver on hardware in
Linux, comes with a price. It shortens the interval for
which hardware is supported. I'm finding failures on Nouveau.
Whereas, if the developers knew about XVesa, they could
"run on anything", but choose not to. XVesa is what Puppy uses.
The bare minimum to use an OS, is a frame buffer at a known
low-memory address, just like what MSDOS would use. XVesa,
at a guess, comes close to that. Linux has plenty of fallback
software, MESA, for filling in the (OpenGL) details. To ensure Linux
works for the widest range of people, the developers have
some choices to make. They made the wrong choices.
Just like if everyone and his dog insists on SSE 4.2 support
in CPUs. There goes 500 million PCs, into the landfill. That's
not right. That's not necessary. We don't need no stinkin
SSE 4.2 for a good time. It would be like if I made AVX512
a requirement, and people had to throw away their 14900K
because that's pinned off. And then, only a couple AMD processors
and the 10900K would still be computing.
Not many people think about the end users. Not any more.
Paul
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
On 2024-08-25 9:59 p.m., T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
Fedora, like Red Hat and IBM, believe in "diversity" which includes
hiring black people over Whites regardless of how incompetent they might
be. They also ensure that Whites do not get promoted within the company. Additionally, they bend the knee to the fag flag and will gladly get rid
of you if you refuse to.
Bryan Lunduke has exposed them on numerous occasions in the past.
On 8/26/24 06:40, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-25 9:59 p.m., T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
Fedora, like Red Hat and IBM, believe in "diversity" which includes
hiring black people over Whites regardless of how incompetent they
might be. They also ensure that Whites do not get promoted within the
company. Additionally, they bend the knee to the fag flag and will
gladly get rid of you if you refuse to.
Bryan Lunduke has exposed them on numerous occasions in the past.
Go Woke, Go Broke. DEI is disgusting racism.
Fedora is only managed by RedHat: web sites, bugzilla,
that sort of thing. It is mostly volunteers and is
merit based.
RedHat would not dare push diversity racism on Fedora.
There would be no Fedroa if all those competent Chinese
and Indian volunteer programmers left do to Woke racism.
On 2024-08-26 10:03 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/26/24 06:40, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-25 9:59 p.m., T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
Fedora, like Red Hat and IBM, believe in "diversity" which includes
hiring black people over Whites regardless of how incompetent they
might be. They also ensure that Whites do not get promoted within the
company. Additionally, they bend the knee to the fag flag and will
gladly get rid of you if you refuse to.
Bryan Lunduke has exposed them on numerous occasions in the past.
Go Woke, Go Broke. DEI is disgusting racism.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Fedora is only managed by RedHat: web sites, bugzilla,
that sort of thing. It is mostly volunteers and is
merit based.
RedHat would not dare push diversity racism on Fedora.
There would be no Fedroa if all those competent Chinese
and Indian volunteer programmers left do to Woke racism.
You might want to read Lunduke's articles then. I believe that a video summarizing his findings is available on YouTube, but I tend not to
venture into that censorship cesspool so I'll have to assume that it is. Either way, other people have since reported the same thing.
On 8/27/24 06:17, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-26 10:03 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/26/24 06:40, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-25 9:59 p.m., T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
Fedora, like Red Hat and IBM, believe in "diversity" which includes
hiring black people over Whites regardless of how incompetent they
might be. They also ensure that Whites do not get promoted within
the company. Additionally, they bend the knee to the fag flag and
will gladly get rid of you if you refuse to.
Bryan Lunduke has exposed them on numerous occasions in the past.
Go Woke, Go Broke. DEI is disgusting racism.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Fedora is only managed by RedHat: web sites, bugzilla,
that sort of thing. It is mostly volunteers and is
merit based.
RedHat would not dare push diversity racism on Fedora.
There would be no Fedroa if all those competent Chinese
and Indian volunteer programmers left do to Woke racism.
You might want to read Lunduke's articles then. I believe that a video
summarizing his findings is available on YouTube, but I tend not to
venture into that censorship cesspool so I'll have to assume that it
is. Either way, other people have since reported the same thing.
The stock holders will eventually demand a return to
merit based hiring. To quote President Trump
"Everything Woke eventually goes to s***."
On the bright side, Harley Davidson just dumped
DEI racism.
On 2024-08-27 4:17 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/27/24 06:17, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-26 10:03 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/26/24 06:40, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-25 9:59 p.m., T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
Fedora, like Red Hat and IBM, believe in "diversity" which includes
hiring black people over Whites regardless of how incompetent they
might be. They also ensure that Whites do not get promoted within
the company. Additionally, they bend the knee to the fag flag and
will gladly get rid of you if you refuse to.
Bryan Lunduke has exposed them on numerous occasions in the past.
Go Woke, Go Broke. DEI is disgusting racism.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Fedora is only managed by RedHat: web sites, bugzilla,
that sort of thing. It is mostly volunteers and is
merit based.
RedHat would not dare push diversity racism on Fedora.
There would be no Fedroa if all those competent Chinese
and Indian volunteer programmers left do to Woke racism.
You might want to read Lunduke's articles then. I believe that a
video summarizing his findings is available on YouTube, but I tend
not to venture into that censorship cesspool so I'll have to assume
that it is. Either way, other people have since reported the same thing. >>>
The stock holders will eventually demand a return to
merit based hiring. To quote President Trump
"Everything Woke eventually goes to s***."
On the bright side, Harley Davidson just dumped
DEI racism.
Them and Jack Daniels. However, they only dropped it because their DEI practises were about to be exposed. They preemptively dropped them to
avoid suffering the fate of Bud Light.
On 8/27/24 17:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-27 4:17 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/27/24 06:17, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-26 10:03 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/26/24 06:40, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2024-08-25 9:59 p.m., T wrote:
This is not religious. This practicality. User what best
meets your need: Fedora or Windows.
Fedora, like Red Hat and IBM, believe in "diversity" which
includes hiring black people over Whites regardless of how
incompetent they might be. They also ensure that Whites do not get >>>>>> promoted within the company. Additionally, they bend the knee to
the fag flag and will gladly get rid of you if you refuse to.
Bryan Lunduke has exposed them on numerous occasions in the past.
Go Woke, Go Broke. DEI is disgusting racism.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Fedora is only managed by RedHat: web sites, bugzilla,
that sort of thing. It is mostly volunteers and is
merit based.
RedHat would not dare push diversity racism on Fedora.
There would be no Fedroa if all those competent Chinese
and Indian volunteer programmers left do to Woke racism.
You might want to read Lunduke's articles then. I believe that a
video summarizing his findings is available on YouTube, but I tend
not to venture into that censorship cesspool so I'll have to assume
that it is. Either way, other people have since reported the same
thing.
The stock holders will eventually demand a return to
merit based hiring. To quote President Trump
"Everything Woke eventually goes to s***."
On the bright side, Harley Davidson just dumped
DEI racism.
Them and Jack Daniels. However, they only dropped it because their DEI
practises were about to be exposed. They preemptively dropped them to
avoid suffering the fate of Bud Light.
Lowe's just dropped that nonsense too.
The stock holders will eventually demand a return to
merit based hiring. To quote President Trump
"Everything Woke eventually goes to s***."
On the bright side, Harley Davidson just dumped
DEI racism.
Them and Jack Daniels. However, they only dropped it because their
DEI practises were about to be exposed. They preemptively dropped
them to avoid suffering the fate of Bud Light.
Lowe's just dropped that nonsense too.
Imagine working at that company and being willing to alienate more than
half of your client base in a vain effort to satisfy less than 1% of the global population. The people who demanded that Jack Daniels, John
Deere, Budweiser, Harley Davidson, Gillette and Lowe's bend the knee to faggot community are people who wouldn't buy anything from those aforementioned companies anyway.
On 8/28/24 05:57, CrudeSausage wrote:
The stock holders will eventually demand a return to
merit based hiring. To quote President Trump
"Everything Woke eventually goes to s***."
On the bright side, Harley Davidson just dumped
DEI racism.
Them and Jack Daniels. However, they only dropped it because their
DEI practises were about to be exposed. They preemptively dropped
them to avoid suffering the fate of Bud Light.
Lowe's just dropped that nonsense too.
Imagine working at that company and being willing to alienate more
than half of your client base in a vain effort to satisfy less than 1%
of the global population. The people who demanded that Jack Daniels,
John Deere, Budweiser, Harley Davidson, Gillette and Lowe's bend the
knee to faggot community are people who wouldn't buy anything from
those aforementioned companies anyway.
Me wonders how many doors will have to fall off or planes
face plant or stock dividends tank before Boeing return to
merit based hiring.
Apparently M$ is returning to merit based hiring. Hope
if will help w12
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