I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very
safely, and I'd like to keep Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it
seemed ok. Good speed, updates come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby.
For how long? Possible answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at which
point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then
install Tiny 11 if it's still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply saying
"Get Linux, get Linux".
Ed Cryer wrote:
I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very safely, and I'd like to keep
Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it seemed ok. Good speed, updates
come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby. For how long? Possible
answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at which point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then install Tiny 11 if it's
still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply saying "Get Linux, get Linux".
Do you use any of these boxes to run a business? If so, what does your business insurance say about
keeping such computers properly up-to-date in order to maintain cover against software failure or
malware attack? Probably you should do what your insurers advise.
Do you have to support paying customers who use Windows 11? If so you should probably have at least
one computer running W11.
I'm retired and I still use Windows 7 Pro. The only support from M$ is that they keep their
"Malicious Software Removal Tool" updated. I have an antivirus program installed. I have a
"standard user" account for everyday work, and a separate "Administrator" account for use when
necessary. I don't let anybody else use the computer. There's no indication that Win7 will "stop
working"; however some applications (e.g. Google Chrome) no longer keep themselves fully updated.
So if you're happy with Windows 10 I would keep it. The hardware may fail before the software stops
working.
I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very
safely, and I'd like to keep Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it
seemed ok. Good speed, updates come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby.
For how long? Possible answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at which
point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then
install Tiny 11 if it's still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply saying
"Get Linux, get Linux".
I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very safely, and I'd like to keep Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it seemed ok. Good speed, updates come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby. For how long? Possible answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at which point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then install Tiny 11 if it's still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply saying "Get Linux, get Linux".
Ed
On 6/18/2024 6:01 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very safely, and I'd like to keep Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it seemed ok. Good speed, updates come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby. For how long? Possible answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at which point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then install Tiny 11 if it's still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply saying "Get Linux, get Linux".
Ed
Using a spare hard drive, do a test install now, with the spare
drive by itself, and check the W11 activation status after installation
Administrator terminal:
slmgr /dlv
... "License status: Licensed"
If you think W11 is viable on the box, test it now. Then,
erase the drive, do an install on the next machine.
# From the Command Prompt in Troubleshooting on the installer DVD...
diskpart
list disk # since only the spare drive is in the machine, no chance of mistakes
select disk 0 #
clean
exit # You can run X:\setup.exe from the Command prompt, to start the install.
Then the fleet is ready for W11, if that's what you want later.
You can do an install in two years time, for the "permanent"
install you have planned. You don't need to make backup copies
of all the spare drive images.
But, I would arrange the free upgrade now, for later.
At the end of the run, your spare drive is erased again.
The activation info and the machine hash, are stored on the
Microsoft server.
The T&C could change at any time for W11 in future,
so we cannot predict how viable anything will be
in the future.
If learning about alternatives is cheap, then
learn about alternatives. I've been using two
platforms, since about 1990 or so. The Sparc at work,
had Softwindows. The Mac G4 had Connectix Virtual PC
(with Windows on it), plus Fink. My P2B-s had FreeBSD.
And so on.
Learning about two OSes, is all part of a maintenance
strategy. You don't go in a boat, without a
life preserver -- a computer is no different :-)
If all the copies of Windows in the room, take a shit
because of an exploit, I can still "dial out".
Paul
The PC Health Check program says Win11 won't go in for two reasons; 1.
TPM 2.0 not installed, 2. The CPU not acceptable. How can I even begin
to install Win11? Surely it'll simply fail very early on.
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:19:29 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
The PC Health Check program says Win11 won't go in for two reasons; 1.
TPM 2.0 not installed, 2. The CPU not acceptable. How can I even begin
to install Win11? Surely it'll simply fail very early on.
Win11 installs in a virtualbox VM nicely, even though the host
system doesn't support it. Gofigure?
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:19:29 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
The PC Health Check program says Win11 won't go in for two reasons; 1.
TPM 2.0 not installed, 2. The CPU not acceptable. How can I even begin
to install Win11? Surely it'll simply fail very early on.
Win11 installs in a virtualbox VM nicely, even though the host
system doesn't support it. Gofigure?
OK, but that won't register me with MS; which is what Paul is aiming at.
Ed
On 6/19/2024 9:00 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:19:29 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
The PC Health Check program says Win11 won't go in for two reasons; 1. >>>> TPM 2.0 not installed, 2. The CPU not acceptable. How can I even begin >>>> to install Win11? Surely it'll simply fail very early on.
Win11 installs in a virtualbox VM nicely, even though the host
system doesn't support it. Gofigure?
OK, but that won't register me with MS; which is what Paul is aiming at.
Ed
rufus.ie # A consultant in Ireland, makes a nice piece of software.
Has a program that places Windows 11 ISO on a USB stick.
After the main preparation stage is finished, the dialog
after that has tick boxes for defeating hardware checks
on Windows 11.
Your install media should install as easily as Windows 10 now.
Administrator Terminal:
slmgr /dlv # Check it activated, later, after
# a couple reboots of Windows 11 new install.
Paul
If I understand you rightly, Paul, all I have to do is download Win11 and Rufus; run Rufus and tick all the Legacy boxes, and I can then install from the USB stick it creates over a Win10 system. And that will give me a fully legit Win11, registeredwith MS and working well.
Pardon me stating it so boldly and baldly. I find it hard to believe it will work so easily.
Ed
Paul wrote:
On 6/19/2024 9:00 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:19:29 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
The PC Health Check program says Win11 won't go in for two reasons; 1. >>>>> TPM 2.0 not installed, 2. The CPU not acceptable. How can I even begin >>>>> to install Win11? Surely it'll simply fail very early on.
Win11 installs in a virtualbox VM nicely, even though the host
system doesn't support it. Gofigure?
OK, but that won't register me with MS; which is what Paul is aiming at. >>>
Ed
rufus.ie                      # A consultant in Ireland, makes a nice
piece of software.
Has a program that places Windows 11 ISO on a USB stick.
After the main preparation stage is finished, the dialog
after that has tick boxes for defeating hardware checks
on Windows 11.
Your install media should install as easily as Windows 10 now.
   Administrator Terminal:
   slmgr /dlv                 # Check it activated, later, after
                               # a couple reboots of Windows 11 new
install.
  Paul
If I understand you rightly, Paul, all I have to do is download Win11
and Rufus; run Rufus and tick all the Legacy boxes, and I can then
install from the USB stick it creates over a Win10 system. And that will
give me a fully legit Win11, registered with MS and working well.
Pardon me stating it so boldly and baldly. I find it hard to believe it
will work so easily.
 If you go to MS there's a whole song and dance about
getting the ISO. If you want to download it you have to
spoof that you're not on Windows.
Paul wrote:
On 6/19/2024 9:00 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:19:29 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
The PC Health Check program says Win11 won't go in for two reasons; 1. >>>>> TPM 2.0 not installed, 2. The CPU not acceptable. How can I even begin >>>>> to install Win11? Surely it'll simply fail very early on.
Win11 installs in a virtualbox VM nicely, even though the host
system doesn't support it. Gofigure?
OK, but that won't register me with MS; which is what Paul is aiming at. >>>
Ed
rufus.ie # A consultant in Ireland, makes a nice
piece of software.
Has a program that places Windows 11 ISO on a USB stick.
After the main preparation stage is finished, the dialog
after that has tick boxes for defeating hardware checks
on Windows 11.
Your install media should install as easily as Windows 10 now.
Administrator Terminal:
slmgr /dlv # Check it activated, later, after
# a couple reboots of Windows 11 new
install.
Paul
If I understand you rightly, Paul, all I have to do is download Win11 and Rufus; run Rufus and tick all the Legacy boxes, and I can then install from the USB stick it creates over a Win10 system. And that will give me a fully legit Win11, registered with MS and working well.
Pardon me stating it so boldly and baldly. I find it hard to believe it
will work so easily.
Ed
If I understand you rightly, Paul, all I have to do is download Win11
and Rufus; run Rufus and tick all the Legacy boxes, and I can then
install from the USB stick it creates over a Win10 system. And that will
give me a fully legit Win11, registered with MS and working well.
Pardon me stating it so boldly and baldly. I find it hard to believe it
will work so easily.
On 6/20/2024 4:49 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:with MS and working well.
If I understand you rightly, Paul, all I have to do is download Win11 and Rufus; run Rufus and tick all the Legacy boxes, and I can then install from the USB stick it creates over a Win10 system. And that will give me a fully legit Win11, registered
Pardon me stating it so boldly and baldly. I find it hard to believe it will work so easily.
Ed
I think the W11 I was using today for the EasyBCD demo,
was installed that way. Installing Windows 11 in VirtualBox
should not work (no TPM). Yet, I've got a W11 VM, and there is
only one way it got there. Rufus. I've stopped installing
newer versions of VirtualBox, and do not use version 7.
I have a bog standard Windows 11 in VMWare Workstation,
as it has SWTPM to emulate a TPM and fool windows. I did not
use Rufus for that one. I also don't run that one very often.
VMWare *forces* you to encrypt your virtual machine,
a practice I detest (it wastes disk space to be doing that,
encrypted materials cannot be compressed). A lot of my
VirtualBox machines, they're compressed before being
stored on the SSD.
With rolling release software, and dynamic behavior, I cannot
predict for each user, what is going to happen. I think it
will work for you. Make sure you have a backup, for easy rollback
in any case. One of the reasons I try to keep the C: drive
small, is to encourage the making of backups here.
Paul
I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very
safely, and I'd like to keep Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it
seemed ok. Good speed, updates come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby.
For how long? Possible answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at which
point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then
install Tiny 11 if it's still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply saying
"Get Linux, get Linux".
Ed
On 18/06/2024 12:01, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have several boxes still running Win10. They perform well, very
safely, and I'd like to keep Win10, but, but MS will soon stop support.
I tried out a stand-alone version of Tiny 11 on one of them, and it
seemed ok. Good speed, updates come from MS, a bit bigger than tiny
but smaller than the full 11.
My worry is that MS take no responsibility for 11; it's NTDEV's baby.
For how long? Possible answer; Until it proves non-profitable, at
which point they could simply drop it.
My tentative plan is to stay with Win10 as long as possible, and then
install Tiny 11 if it's still flourishing.
All comments and suggestions will be welcome, except those simply
saying "Get Linux, get Linux".
Ed
We have 4 W10 pc's which are not upgradable to W11. We will keep our
W10 pc's as long as possible.
What is the problem? No updates anymore? And so what?
On 20/06/2024 17:45, Newyana2 wrote:
 If you go to MS there's a whole song and dance about
getting the ISO. If you want to download it you have to
spoof that you're not on Windows.
Have you always been a liar? Windows 11 can be downloaded directly from Microsoft website. No need to "spoof" anything or anybody unless you
always wanted to be a liar and a scammer.
You must be a dodgy plumber or builder who goes around scamming customers.
<https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11> <https://i.imgur.com/FR2YcHO.png>
The problem is you don't understand that Ed Cry has retired and now he
is mostly a hobbyist. He spends his time downloading Windows Operating
System from a Russian guy's github repo called "Tiny 11". He then goes
to MajorGeek to download "MediaCreation Tool" because he doesn't trust Microsoft's Official Download link. He then goes to Rufus to download a useless tool which in most part does everything a MediaCreation Tool
would do. How daft can you get then this?
To install Windows 11 on an unsupported machine requires nothing fancy.
I posted a method to create an unattend.xml file but copy this at the
root of the flash drive and proceed normally.
However, you don't have to create the xml file because the installation
ISO file has a program called "setupprep.exe" and this program will
upgrade any windows 10 machine without complaining about anything.
People needs to learn to think for themselves but users on this
newsgroup are "gung ho" about third party websites - some Chinese and
some Russians but not Microsoft or Google. They don't trust them because
they are used to Russian or Chinese ways of doing things. If something
goes wrong, they'll blame Microsoft.
So you mean that I would be able to update my W10 pc's to W11,
although this is officially not possible? How does it work?
I've been playing around with this Win11 system on such lowly hardware, and I swear it performs as well as Win10 does. In fact, now that it's settled down after full initialisation, it seems even faster in some areas.
How secure is it? Well, it's getting all MS updates, it's running Windows firewall and Windows Defender.
So what about the missing TPM 2 and the CPU refusal? OK, but they're also missing when it runs Win10. So is it the case that Win11 has a security hole that requires those items when Win10 doesn't? Or is Win10 just as vulnerable to certain attacks?
Ed
On 21/06/2024 12:44, Fokke Nauta wrote:
So you mean that I would be able to update my W10 pc's to W11,
although this is officially not possible? How does it work?
Just mount the Official Windows 11 ISO and note the drive letter for
this virtual drive. It is virtual because you have mounted it in Windows explorer. When you know the drive letter (say F: for this discussion)
you only need to type this in the elevated command prompt:
F:\Sources\setupprep.exe /product server
Just follow the online instructions and your Windows 10 will be upgraded
to Windows 11. Please note you must have at least 8GB of Ram to work
with Windows 11 otherwise it will be a very slow process and frustrating!
Also, ignore the fact that it says "Server". It is not the server that
is installed. The product installed is either Professional or Home
depending on your Windows 10 version. The official Microsoft Window 11 ISO file
contains all the different products and the system license decides what
to install.
Hope this helps. Always make a full image of the drive when you are
first using this method because mistakes could happen for the first time.
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