• Scanning help.

    From Dan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 20:26:01 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Dan on Tue Jun 11 17:29:57 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On 6/11/2024 3:26 PM, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.


    It's just basic math. DPI printing or PPI onscreen.
    If you scan at 1200 PPI and they print at 300 DPI,
    then you can probably afford to print the image
    bigger than the 4x4-ish CD size without losing detail.
    But it depends on a lot of things, like the quality of
    the scanner, the save format, the requirements of
    printing, etc.

    For example, what if the CD cover was printed at 300 DPI?
    Then you'd just be enlarging dots if you scan at 1200 DPI.
    Likewise, if you scan but save it as JPG then you'll lose data.
    Save as TIF, which is just a compressed BMP, which is what
    the original image actually is.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Dan on Tue Jun 11 17:49:37 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On 6/11/2024 3:26 PM, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.


    Why not phone the TShirt place, and ask them what kind of
    submissions work for them ?

    I bet they receive a lot of files that cannot be used
    without a lot of work.

    Paul

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 18:07:25 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On 6/11/24 05:29 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    On 6/11/2024 3:26 PM, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.


      It's just basic math. DPI printing or PPI onscreen.
    If you scan at 1200 PPI and they print at 300 DPI,
    then you can probably afford to print the image
    bigger than the 4x4-ish CD size without losing detail.
    But it depends on a lot of things, like the quality of
    the scanner, the save format, the requirements of
    printing, etc.

      For example, what if the CD cover was printed at 300 DPI?
    Then you'd just be enlarging dots if you scan at 1200 DPI.
    Likewise, if you scan but save it as JPG then you'll lose data.
    Save as TIF, which is just a compressed BMP, which is what
    the original image actually is.

    As an ex-printer, when printing images, they are photographed through a silk-screen to break the
    images into dots. Newspapers are done with a very coarse dot, and that is why looking at a
    newspaper you can see the dots with the naked eye (given good eyesight).

    A printer cannot print black at one point then grey and then white (or none). There is only black
    ink. So the silk-screen is used to make dots, and the dots 'bloom', for lack of another word, and
    depending on the amount of light the dot is bigger or smaller. Dots will now be bigger (blacker) or
    smaller (greyer). I think I'm making up words here but....

    As Newyana2 says, if you have a 100dpi photo you have garbage and scanning at 1200dpi will let you
    see the garbage easier. One dot will be scanned in as a 12x12 square or 144 total dots.

    You're kinda stuck with the quality you have in the original.

    Scanning photos is where the 1200 dpi comes in. Kodak photos have no grain or dot pattern.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Dan on Wed Jun 12 00:52:40 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On 2024-06-11 21:26, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.

    Back in the day, I did this kind of job. With source of even worse
    quality, because what we had was a handheld scanner. I had to reproduce
    company logos to put on computer software, and what they gave me was
    sometimes a letterhead. With luck, a full printed page. Even a bit
    mapped file was often not good enough.

    I would put the scan on a page background, and I would then recreate the content using Coreldraw on top of it, till I got a new original in good quality.

    If there was text, I would play with all fonts till one matched closely.

    Coreldraw had a tool to extract shapes, too. Sometimes it worked, then I refined the result.


    I don't know what cheap or free tools you can today use for that job.

    Of course, if the original is a face photo or landscape, forget what I
    said :-)


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Wed Jun 12 09:00:22 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 00:52:40 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-06-11 21:26, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.

    Back in the day, I did this kind of job. With source of even worse
    quality, because what we had was a handheld scanner. I had to reproduce >company logos to put on computer software, and what they gave me was >sometimes a letterhead. With luck, a full printed page. Even a bit
    mapped file was often not good enough.

    I would put the scan on a page background, and I would then recreate the >content using Coreldraw on top of it, till I got a new original in good >quality.

    If there was text, I would play with all fonts till one matched closely.

    Coreldraw had a tool to extract shapes, too. Sometimes it worked, then I >refined the result.


    I don't know what cheap or free tools you can today use for that job.

    Of course, if the original is a face photo or landscape, forget what I
    said :-)


    OK and thanks. I will give it a try and also ring the T shirt priting
    shop.

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@21:1/5 to Big Al on Wed Jun 12 09:28:16 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On 11/06/2024 23:07, Big Al wrote:
    On 6/11/24 05:29 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    On 6/11/2024 3:26 PM, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.


       It's just basic math. DPI printing or PPI onscreen.
    If you scan at 1200 PPI and they print at 300 DPI,
    then you can probably afford to print the image
    bigger than the 4x4-ish CD size without losing detail.
    But it depends on a lot of things, like the quality of
    the scanner, the save format, the requirements of
    printing, etc.

       For example, what if the CD cover was printed at 300 DPI?
    Then you'd just be enlarging dots if you scan at 1200 DPI.
    Likewise, if you scan but save it as JPG then you'll lose data.
    Save as TIF, which is just a compressed BMP, which is what
    the original image actually is.

    As an ex-printer, when printing images, they are photographed through a silk-screen to break the images into dots.  Newspapers are done with a
    very coarse dot, and that is why looking at a newspaper you can see the
    dots with the naked eye (given good eyesight).

    A printer cannot print black at one point then grey and then white (or none).   There is only black ink.  So the silk-screen is used to make dots, and the dots 'bloom', for lack of another word, and depending on
    the amount of light the dot is bigger or smaller.  Dots will now be
    bigger (blacker) or smaller (greyer).   I think I'm making up words here but....

    As Newyana2 says, if you have a 100dpi photo you have garbage and
    scanning at 1200dpi will let you see the garbage easier.   One dot will
    be scanned in as a 12x12 square or 144 total dots.

    You're kinda stuck with the quality you have in the original.

    Scanning photos is where the 1200 dpi comes in.  Kodak photos have no
    grain or dot pattern.

    The pics were shot though a screen (sometimes silk, but sometimes metal
    or wire) because they use "lith" film, with a special lith developer -
    so there is no grey scale.

    The centre of each dot gets the most exposure, because it’s NOT focussed
    on to the film plane, so when its developed (under safelight conditions)
    the dot will go black at the centre and then start to grow - you can
    watch this happening in real time.

    The dots with the greatest amount of exposure will get fatter

    I believe they dunk the film in to a stop bath when it reaches the
    required density


    but ... getting back to the real world, if you think the covers are only printed at 300 dpi, then you don’t need a scanner because you could get
    good enough results from a reasonable SLR

    Also ... don’t fall in to the trap of confusing dots with pixels - some inkjet printers require 6 or 7 dots to create a pixel and I believe the
    ratio might be higher on some laser printers.

    And ... if you do a google image search, its entirely possible that you
    might find a better quality image online somewhere, especially if the CD
    was available in vinyl - with any luck it might be free of coffee stains
    as well

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to fred@fred-smith.co.uk on Wed Jun 12 10:19:08 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 09:28:16 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
    <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/06/2024 23:07, Big Al wrote:
    On 6/11/24 05:29 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    On 6/11/2024 3:26 PM, Dan wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them >>>> to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.


       It's just basic math. DPI printing or PPI onscreen.
    If you scan at 1200 PPI and they print at 300 DPI,
    then you can probably afford to print the image
    bigger than the 4x4-ish CD size without losing detail.
    But it depends on a lot of things, like the quality of
    the scanner, the save format, the requirements of
    printing, etc.

       For example, what if the CD cover was printed at 300 DPI?
    Then you'd just be enlarging dots if you scan at 1200 DPI.
    Likewise, if you scan but save it as JPG then you'll lose data.
    Save as TIF, which is just a compressed BMP, which is what
    the original image actually is.

    As an ex-printer, when printing images, they are photographed through a
    silk-screen to break the images into dots.  Newspapers are done with a
    very coarse dot, and that is why looking at a newspaper you can see the
    dots with the naked eye (given good eyesight).

    A printer cannot print black at one point then grey and then white (or
    none).   There is only black ink.  So the silk-screen is used to make
    dots, and the dots 'bloom', for lack of another word, and depending on
    the amount of light the dot is bigger or smaller.  Dots will now be
    bigger (blacker) or smaller (greyer).   I think I'm making up words here
    but....

    As Newyana2 says, if you have a 100dpi photo you have garbage and
    scanning at 1200dpi will let you see the garbage easier.   One dot will
    be scanned in as a 12x12 square or 144 total dots.

    You're kinda stuck with the quality you have in the original.

    Scanning photos is where the 1200 dpi comes in.  Kodak photos have no
    grain or dot pattern.

    The pics were shot though a screen (sometimes silk, but sometimes metal
    or wire) because they use "lith" film, with a special lith developer -
    so there is no grey scale.

    The centre of each dot gets the most exposure, because it’s NOT focussed
    on to the film plane, so when its developed (under safelight conditions)
    the dot will go black at the centre and then start to grow - you can
    watch this happening in real time.

    The dots with the greatest amount of exposure will get fatter

    I believe they dunk the film in to a stop bath when it reaches the
    required density


    but ... getting back to the real world, if you think the covers are only >printed at 300 dpi, then you don’t need a scanner because you could get
    good enough results from a reasonable SLR

    Also ... don’t fall in to the trap of confusing dots with pixels - some >inkjet printers require 6 or 7 dots to create a pixel and I believe the
    ratio might be higher on some laser printers.

    And ... if you do a google image search, its entirely possible that you
    might find a better quality image online somewhere, especially if the CD
    was available in vinyl - with any luck it might be free of coffee stains
    as well




    I understand, but I have looked on the Internet. Sadly nothing cam up.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to ...winston on Thu Jun 13 04:55:28 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, uk.comp.homebuilt

    On 6/13/2024 2:07 AM, ...winston wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Dan <dannewsgroupsAAAA888@outlook.com> wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.

    Another thing to consider. They probably won't print copyrighted material. >>

    Good point.
    Also unlikely one would ask a t-shirt printer to print only one shirt with each picture. Even so, it may raise another copyright issue - distribution without or without permission regardless of the product being free or sold.

    There is likely a process for that.

    https://www.printful.com/ca/blog/t-shirt-materials

    The question then is, how do the materials hold up.

    I would not throw the item in with the regular wash.

    Paul

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  • From John@21:1/5 to winstonmvp@gmail.com on Thu Jun 13 18:57:55 2024
    On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 02:07:40 -0400, "...winston"
    <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    Chris wrote:
    Dan <dannewsgroupsAAAA888@outlook.com> wrote:
    I plan to scan in some CD covers to a high quality picture.
    I would like to take these pictures to a T shirt printers and ask them
    to print these pictures onto cotton T shirts.
    As far as I know, CD covers are only 300 dpi.
    If I enlarge these scanned pictures will I lose detail, that is the
    printed T shirts will be block and lose detail.
    I plan to scan in at 1200 dpi using my flat bed scanner.
    One of the album covers will be a vinyl recored.

    Another thing to consider. They probably won't print copyrighted material. >>

    Good point.
    Also unlikely one would ask a t-shirt printer to print only one shirt
    with each picture. Even so, it may raise another copyright issue - >distribution without or without permission regardless of the product
    being free or sold.

    The Original Poster never mentioned distribution, I thought he was
    trying to get one copy of each image onto one shirt but in a format,
    size and quality that looked good.

    But you might be right. His request *was* ambiguous. :)

    J.

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