XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

Zag wrote in a recent thread to both newsgroups the following.

"Well, other than proving that 11 will run without the stupid
requirements, this is for embedded systems (IoT).
So you're going to get a crappy experience on that "old computer.
Best to just use Rufus. It works. I wonder if it will work with 12 too?"

My question mainly is are those hardware requirements real?
Or did Microsoft just fabricate them to force us to buy new equipment?

If they're real, is there a way to just upgrade those components?
Or is there a workaround to trick a Windows 11 upgrade to think they exist?

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On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:29:35 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

Zag wrote in a recent thread to both newsgroups the following.

"Well, other than proving that 11 will run without the stupid
requirements, this is for embedded systems (IoT).
So you're going to get a crappy experience on that "old computer.
Best to just use Rufus. It works. I wonder if it will work with 12 too?"

My question mainly is are those hardware requirements real?
Or did Microsoft just fabricate them to force us to buy new equipment?

If they're real, is there a way to just upgrade those components?
Or is there a workaround to trick a Windows 11 upgrade to think they exist?

Like them or nor, they are real.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

As for "old", I just upgraded a laptop from 2019 with no problems.

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On 6/4/24 02:19 PM, R2D2 wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:29:35 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

Zag wrote in a recent thread to both newsgroups the following.

"Well, other than proving that 11 will run without the stupid
requirements, this is for embedded systems (IoT).
So you're going to get a crappy experience on that "old computer.
Best to just use Rufus. It works. I wonder if it will work with 12 too?" >>
My question mainly is are those hardware requirements real?
Or did Microsoft just fabricate them to force us to buy new equipment?

If they're real, is there a way to just upgrade those components?
Or is there a workaround to trick a Windows 11 upgrade to think they exist?

Like them or nor, they are real.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

As for "old", I just upgraded a laptop from 2019 with no problems.

Is secure boot necessary? I'm running Linux and IIRC there is an issue with Linux and secure boot.
--
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Al

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/4/2024 1:29 PM, Larry Wolff wrote:

Zag wrote in a recent thread to both newsgroups the following.

"Well, other than proving that 11 will run without the stupid
requirements, this is for embedded systems (IoT).
So you're going to get a crappy experience on that "old computer.
Best to just use Rufus. It works. I wonder if it will work with 12 too?"

My question mainly is are those hardware requirements real?
Or did Microsoft just fabricate them to force us to buy new equipment?

If they're real, is there a way to just upgrade those components?
Or is there a workaround to trick a Windows 11 upgrade to think they exist?

If your processor does not have POPCNT (Population Count, 0x000FFFFF ==> 20 ), then the OS would not boot. There is some SSE 4.2 ? requirement, which presumably is for some parallel operation related to neural networks.
Or it could be for any number of things, like a browser dependency.
Browsers have had SSE requirements asserted before. We would not want MSEdge
to stop running.

Putting an NPU on a computer, one difference between an integrated
NPU and a standalone unit, is scheduling. Assuming you time-share the
NPU for more than one thing at once. Apparently, the most expensive
PCI Express video card you can buy, is worth "around 1000+ TOPS" or
twenty times the minimum right now. The connection between the CPU
and the GPU card (with its Tensor cores or shaders), is high speed,
so commands sent, and scheduled on the scheduler inside the GPU,
should work just as effectively as a wimpy integrated-in-CPU unit.
I'd rather have 1000+ TOPS and slightly janky scheduling, than only
50 TOPS and glass-smooth scheduling. The 1000+ TOPS machine will be done
and having dinner, while the 50 TOPS machine is still thinking about it.

You should realize, that most of the slide-ware that has come out in
the last week, is "pure vapour of highest quality". If a year from
now, "company X announces the check is in the mail regarding new feature",
the cycle will be complete.

We got screwed over on VT-X years ago. I bought a processor FOR NOTHING
because of a VT-X dependency. The requirement disappeared a year later.
That's why today, I can offer the advice to sit back and relax. Give the jockeys time to decide just what kind of Sparkle Pony they're riding today.

This is a technology-push era, meant to "stimulate consumption". Just
in case you did not notice. It's a "gold rush, where everyone is
getting rich off the mule and shovel sales".

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 04/06/2024 18:29, Larry Wolff wrote:

Zag wrote in a recent thread to both newsgroups the following.

"Well, other than proving that 11 will run without the stupid
requirements, this is for embedded systems (IoT).
So you're going to get a crappy experience on that "old computer.
Best to just use Rufus. It works. I wonder if it will work with 12 too?"

My question mainly is are those hardware requirements real?
Or did Microsoft just fabricate them to force us to buy new equipment?

If they're real, is there a way to just upgrade those components?
Or is there a workaround to trick a Windows 11 upgrade to think they exist?

Microsoft has given a method to upgrade Windows 10 to 11 on unsupported hardware:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>

It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to refer if
you are offline.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/5/2024 1:53 PM, Jack wrote:

On 04/06/2024 18:29, Larry Wolff wrote:

Zag wrote in a recent thread to both newsgroups the following.

"Well, other than proving that 11 will run without the stupid
requirements, this is for embedded systems (IoT).
So you're going to get a crappy experience on that "old computer.
Best to just use Rufus. It works. I wonder if it will work with 12 too?" >>
My question mainly is are those hardware requirements real?
Or did Microsoft just fabricate them to force us to buy new equipment?

If they're real, is there a way to just upgrade those components?
Or is there a workaround to trick a Windows 11 upgrade to think they exist?

Microsoft has given a method to upgrade Windows 10 to 11 on unsupported hardware:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>

It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to refer if
you are offline.

Must support TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot.

Attestation is "measuring" the boot files to ensure
they haven't been modified. It's kind of a part of Secure Boot
support. If your older computer has a Legacy BIOS, then the latter
two conditions are not met. Even though the machine
could have a TPM 1.2, and the TPM 1.2 could be used
for BitLocker with a Pro SKU. [ As seen on Optiplex 780 ]

I tested on a machine with

TPM 1.2, No Attestation, No Secure Boot ==> Win11 23H2 install attempt failed on requirements check
\-------- Legacy BIOS -------/ (With the AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU
registry modification in place)

I've used the Rufus stick method, to put W11 in a VM.
But it is similar to doing a W10 install (which means
Windows Update based Upgrades won't work afterwards).

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/6/2024 6:00 AM, Paul wrote:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>

It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to refer if
you are offline.

Must support TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot.

I have an HP desktop from circa 2010 which was a nice machine at that time.

I don't know all the Windows 11 fake hw requirements, but if I concentrate
on those three, how do I find if my PC can be upgraded to support those 3?

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2.60GHz, 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750-Ti, DirectX 12

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/6/2024 6:00 AM, Paul wrote:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>

It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to refer if >>> you are offline.

Must support TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot.

I have an HP desktop from circa 2010 which was a nice machine at that time.

I don't know all the Windows 11 fake hw requirements, but if I concentrate
on those three, how do I find if my PC can be upgraded to support those 3?

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2.60GHz, 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750-Ti, DirectX 12

Give it a try. Download the win 11 install image file from microsoft. Then
use the latest version of rufus to create a USB install thumb drive. Rufus
will offer to disable a list of ridiculous Microsoft nazi requirements.
Just check any that apply, or all of them. Then boot from that usb stick
and do your installation as normal, choosing either clean install or
keeping your old data, settings etc. It worked for me, on a dell machine of that vintage with intel core i5 cpu. I'm still using it right now.

I recommend first making a backup image file, so you can always restore
back to what you have now, if this proceedure should fail. I used macrium reflect free version which has been discontinued, but IS still available if
you know the links (ask if you need them)

There are also many other work arounds posted on the net, but the above is
what I used 6 months ago. It worked smoothly and perfect.

Good luck.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 07/06/2024 00:18, Hank Rogers wrote:

Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/6/2024 6:00 AM, Paul wrote:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>


It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to
refer if
you are offline.

Must support TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot.

I have an HP desktop from circa 2010 which was a nice machine at that
time.

I don't know all the Windows 11 fake hw requirements, but if I
concentrate
on those three, how do I find if my PC can be upgraded to support
those 3?

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2.60GHz, 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750-Ti, DirectX 12

Give it a try. Download the win 11 install image file from microsoft.
Then use the latest version of rufus to create a USB install thumb
drive. Rufus will offer to disable a list of ridiculous Microsoft nazi requirements. Just check any that apply, or all of them. Then boot from
that usb stick and do your installation as normal, choosing either clean install or keeping your old data, settings etc. It worked for me, on a
dell machine of that vintage with intel core i5 cpu. I'm still using it
right now.

I recommend first making a backup image file, so you can always restore
back to what you have now, if this proceedure should fail. I used
macrium reflect free version which has been discontinued, but IS still available if you know the links (ask if you need them)

snip <

All the major freeware sites seem to have the free version of Macrium
Reflect 8 (links may wrap) eg.

-
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html

- https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5442-macrium-reflect-free.html

- https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Back-Up-and-Recovery/Macrium-Reflect-Free-Edition.shtml

- https://download.cnet.com/macrium-reflect-free/3000-2242_4-10845728.html


--
Regards
wasbit

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/6/2024 6:13 PM, Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/6/2024 6:00 AM, Paul wrote:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>

It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to refer if >>> you are offline.

Must support TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot.

I have an HP desktop from circa 2010 which was a nice machine at that time.

I don't know all the Windows 11 fake hw requirements, but if I concentrate
on those three, how do I find if my PC can be upgraded to support those 3?

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2.60GHz, 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750-Ti, DirectX 12

If you're on Win10 and want to know about:

TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot

you would:

1) Check the kind of BIOS you've got. UEFI BIOS tend to support
a mouse, and the UEFI BIOS screen has graphics as if it was
its own kind of operating system.

Legacy BIOS (lacking Secure Boot), tend to have less fancy
interfaces. A Legacy BIOS won't have the word "UEFI" or "EFI"
on the screen.

2) But really, go to Windows 10 Settings, enter "TPM" in the search
box in settings, and it will take you to the part describing your
support for such things. The "attestation" field status should
be enough to determine whether you would be gated by this. The
Rufus.ie stick preparation method might bypass that check.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/HsGC83hY/security-processor.gif

For all this fake-checking going on, I don't think I've used
my hardware TPM yet. Enabling Secure Boot for me, on the machine
which is capable of it, would restrict what I do with the machine.

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

wasbit wrote:

On 07/06/2024 00:18, Hank Rogers wrote:

Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/6/2024 6:00 AM, Paul wrote:

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e>


It works and you also get updates so far.

Read the article and print it out so that you have something to refer if >>>>> you are offline.

Must support TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot.

I have an HP desktop from circa 2010 which was a nice machine at that time. >>>
I don't know all the Windows 11 fake hw requirements, but if I concentrate >>> on those three, how do I find if my PC can be upgraded to support those 3? >>>
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2.60GHz, 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750-Ti, DirectX 12

Give it a try. Download the win 11 install image file from microsoft.
Then use the latest version of rufus to create a USB install thumb drive.
Rufus will offer to disable a list of ridiculous Microsoft nazi
requirements. Just check any that apply, or all of them. Then boot from
that usb stick and do your installation as normal, choosing either clean
install or keeping your old data, settings etc. It worked for me, on a
dell machine of that vintage with intel core i5 cpu. I'm still using it
right now.

I recommend first making a backup image file, so you can always restore
back to what you have now, if this proceedure should fail. I used macrium
reflect free version which has been discontinued, but IS still available
if you know the links (ask if you need them)

snip <

All the major freeware sites seem to have the free version of Macrium
Reflect 8 (links may wrap) eg.

 - https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html

 - https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5442-macrium-reflect-free.html

 - https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Back-Up-and-Recovery/Macrium-Reflect-Free-Edition.shtml

 - https://download.cnet.com/macrium-reflect-free/3000-2242_4-10845728.html

If anyone wants the direct download links, these are in some notes I kept:

********************************************
For a specific version (example for v8.0.7783) Change link for other versions

64-bit: https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe

32-bit: https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/reflect_setup_free_x86.exe

****************************************

For Latest Version

64-bit: https://updates.macrium.com/Reflect/v8/getmsi.asp?edition=0&type=99&arch=1&redirect=Y

32-bit: https://updates.macrium.com/Reflect/v8/getmsi.asp?edition=0&type=99&arch=0&redirect=Y

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.freeware

On 6/7/2024 2:29 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:

If anyone wants the direct download links, these are in some notes I kept:

********************************************
For a specific version (example for v8.0.7783) Change link for other versions

64-bit: https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe

32-bit: https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/reflect_setup_free_x86.exe

Thanks for the suggestion of macrium as part of a Win10 to Win11 upgrade.

I downloaded both versions in case I needed them to install Windows 11. https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/reflect_setup_free_x86.exe

But in my archival notes for macrium reflect (which are based on Windows 10 newsgroup articles) it says the last known good free version is v8.0.7690

That would make the last known good version free links to be something like https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7690/reflect_setup_free_x64.exe https://download.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7690/reflect_setup_free_x86.exe

Both of those work, but does anyone know what's really the last known good
free version that we should archive on our USB drives for potential use?

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/7/2024 8:29 AM, Paul wrote:

If you're on Win10 and want to know about:
TPM 1.2, Attestation, and Secure Boot
you would:
1) Check the kind of BIOS you've got. UEFI BIOS tend to support
a mouse, and the UEFI BIOS screen has graphics as if it was
its own kind of operating system.

My PC is definitely too old to be UEFO as the BIOS version date is 2009.

Legacy BIOS (lacking Secure Boot), tend to have less fancy
interfaces. A Legacy BIOS won't have the word "UEFI" or "EFI"
on the screen.

Start > Run > msinfo32
It says the bios mode is "legacy".

2) But really, go to Windows 10 Settings, enter "TPM" in the search
box in settings, and it will take you to the part describing your
support for such things. The "attestation" field status should
be enough to determine whether you would be gated by this.
https://i.postimg.cc/HsGC83hY/security-processor.gif

Thanks for the images showing the Trusted Platform Model (TPM)
Attestation = Not Supported versus Attestation = Ready

When I pressed windows+I and searched for tpm in "Find a setting"
it gave three pulldown choices of (1) Security processor (2) Device
security and (3) Security processor troubleshooting.

In Security processor details it says Attestation = Not ready.

To bring up the TPM Management on Local Computer, I typed
Start > Run > tpm.msc

Which said "Compatible TPM cannot be found on this computer.
Verify that this computer has a 1.2 TPM or later and it is
turned on in the BIOS".

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/support/content/en-us15825140/#:~:text=Press%20Win%2BR%20to%20display,version%20under%20TPM%20Manufacturer%20Information.

The Rufus.ie stick preparation method might bypass that check.

I did not understand the Rufus stick preparation, but I did use Rufus many years ago but I don't even remember why I used it, but it was hard to use.

My main question is whether the hardware requirements are fake or not
since I assume Microsoft just wants to support fewer older machines.

For all this fake-checking going on, I don't think I've used
my hardware TPM yet. Enabling Secure Boot for me, on the machine
which is capable of it, would restrict what I do with the machine.

Yes. That's kind of my point. I think the hardware requirements are fake.
The logic I use is that Windows 10 works find on older hardware.
So what's different about Windows 11 that requires these fake requirements?

Is there anything in Windows 11 that needs these stringent requirements?

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/7/2024 5:23 PM, Larry Wolff wrote:

Is there anything in Windows 11 that needs these stringent requirements?

If you were to turn on all the features (as such), then
you'd need the hardware bits and pieces.

If I install W11 on my capable computer, and move the HDD to my incapable computer, it boots on there. Today it does. In October or so, that might
not be true. W11 can do this, because it sniffs for the hardware,
if the hardware is missing, it turns off the subsystem. Turn off
enough subsystems, W11 becomes W10.

The steepest hurdle is at install time.

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/7/2024 11:46 PM, Paul wrote:

Is there anything in Windows 11 that needs these stringent requirements?

If you were to turn on all the features (as such), then
you'd need the hardware bits and pieces.

Thanks for letting me know that it's possible to run Windows 11 on a
machine which doesn't support all the fake new requirements.

I found this Windows 11 compatibility check in a search for more help.
https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/download/2.0.1/WhyNotWin11.exe
Name: WhyNotWin11.exe
Size: 970240 bytes (947 KiB)
SHA256: C855404EC01A96C8C5E0368773A0573BF6CBD20E302DDEDB8929F1CD546C4D1D

The results from that WhyNotWin11 executable were the following:
Boot Type = Legacy (red, X)
CPU Generation = AMD Phenom II (yellow, ?)
CPU Core Count = 4 cores, 4 threads (green, OK)
CPU Frequency = 2600 MHz (green, OK)
Disk Partitioning = MBR (red, X)
RAM = 16GB (green, OK)
Secure Boot = Disabled (red, X)
Storage = 1934 GB on C:\ (green, ok)
TPM Minimum = TPM Not Activated (red, X)

How bad does that look to you?

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/8/2024 4:10 AM, philo wrote:

I have the Win11 iso that skips the h/w check

Now why didn't anyone mention that Win11forWin10 ISO before! :)

That's the only thing I need. Let me find it... https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+is+the+Windows+11+iso+that+skips+hardware+checks

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet system requirements https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

I'm continuing to search but I'm finding everything but that ISO. https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/download/2.0.1/WhyNotWin11.exe

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/8/2024 4:33 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/8/2024 4:10 AM, philo wrote:

I have the Win11 iso that skips the h/w check

Now why didn't anyone mention that Win11forWin10 ISO before! :)

That's the only thing I need. Let me find it... https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+is+the+Windows+11+iso+that+skips+hardware+checks

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet system requirements https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

I'm continuing to search but I'm finding everything but that ISO. https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/download/2.0.1/WhyNotWin11.exe

That is basically what the tick boxes on Rufus are for.
Once you've done the basic setup, there is a page with
a few tick boxes right after that, for solving these
kinds of problems.

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

Although I've had Win11 running on an unsupported machine since it was
first released...That machine is strictly for my test bench.

My Win10 machine is on an i7 and I have the Win11 iso that skips the h/w
check
.however I don't plan to upgrade it for fear that some day I'll get
locked out.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/8/2024 4:31 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/7/2024 11:46 PM, Paul wrote:

Is there anything in Windows 11 that needs these stringent requirements?

If you were to turn on all the features (as such), then
you'd need the hardware bits and pieces.

Thanks for letting me know that it's possible to run Windows 11 on a
machine which doesn't support all the fake new requirements.

I found this Windows 11 compatibility check in a search for more help.
https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/download/2.0.1/WhyNotWin11.exe
Name: WhyNotWin11.exe
Size: 970240 bytes (947 KiB)
SHA256: C855404EC01A96C8C5E0368773A0573BF6CBD20E302DDEDB8929F1CD546C4D1D

The results from that WhyNotWin11 executable were the following:
Boot Type = Legacy (red, X) <=== I haven't tested the installer for this, I assumed it still had legacy
CPU Generation = AMD Phenom II (yellow, ?) <=== No MBEC, no SSE 4.2, I would have to rate it Red.
CPU Core Count = 4 cores, 4 threads (green, OK)
CPU Frequency = 2600 MHz (green, OK) <=== Not all MHz are equal.
Disk Partitioning = MBR (red, X)
RAM = 16GB (green, OK)
Secure Boot = Disabled (red, X) <=== Yeah, your boot is a bit messed up. Secure Boot isn't needed. Mine is OFF.
Storage = 1934 GB on C:\ (green, ok)
TPM Minimum = TPM Not Activated (red, X) <=== None, 1.2, 2.0 = BadAsBootIssues, WorksWithRegistryHack, Works

How bad does that look to you?

Pretty bad, I would think.

The part that worries me, is this. POPCNT, which is apparently part of SSE4.2 ? Once W11 24H2 is installed in October of this year, the machine will not boot without POPCNT. Even though it could be emulated with regular code (it's what programmers used to do when the machine did not have POPCNT or Population Count).

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-940,2114-2.html

Core Agena / Toliman Deneb Bloomfield Yorkfield / Wolfdale / Kentsfield / Conroe / Allendale
Manufacturing Process 65 nm 45 nm 45 nm 65 nm, 45 nm
Top Clock Speed 2.6 GHz 3.0 GHz 3.2 GHz 3.2 GHz L1 Cache 64 + 64 KB 64 + 64 KB 32 + 32 KB 32 + 32 KB
L2 Cache 512 KB 512 KB 256 KB 4 MB
L3 Cache 2 MB 6 MB 8 MB 2..12MB Max Power (TDP) 140 W 125 W 136 W 136 W CPU <-> Northbridge HT HT QPI FSB (quad pumped)
CPU <-> CPU HT HT QPI Northbridge Internal
Max Clock HT=3.2 GHz HT=3.2 GHz 6.4 GT/s 400MHz
(25.6 GB/s) (25.6 GB/s) (12.8 GB/s) (12.8 GB/s)
Reference Clock 200 MHz 200 MHz 133 MHz 400 MHz, 333 MHz, 266 MHz, 200 MHz
64-bit Support x86-64 x86-64 EM64T EM64T Hyper-Threading N/A N/A Yes N/A ---------------------
Multimedia Extensions Agena / Toliman MMX 3DNow! SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSE 4a
Deneb MMX 3DNow! SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSE 4a <=== Phenom Deneb, shit outta luck
Bloomfield MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE 4.2 <=== OK (SSE 4.2 makes the difference)
Yorkfield... MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 <=== Nope (I might have one of these dammit, Wolfdale in Optiplex)
--------------------- My BIOS is Legacy, so I'm shit outta luck anyway
Virtualization Pacifica Pacifica VT VT Thermal Protection Thermal Diode Thermal Diode ThermalMon2 Thermal Monitor 2
Virus Protection XD bit XD bit XD bit XD bit (Execute disable, aka NX)
Trusted Execution Presidio Presidio LaGrande Tech LaGrande Technology
Active Management (AMT) No No iAMT2 (V-Pro) iAMT2 (V-Pro) [Remote control of PC over network]

Ref: https://www.edtittel.com/blog/popcnt-fuss-is-more-fizzle.html

Ed says to check CPU-Z main pane, to verify SSE 4.2 is missing (on your Deneb).

You could install W11 23H2, lock it down with InControl.exe from GRC.com .
But if you did that, Patch Tuesday would stop working around end of 2025
or beginning of 2026 or so. You'd still get Windows Defender updates, as
far as I know.

Like my Optiplex, the W11 train would be a short ride (my BIOS would be a problem).
My main machine will be fine [without Recall]. In 2026, I'll have at least
one machine getting updates. But I won't have any local AI, boohoo.

Paul

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On 6/8/24 3:33 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/8/2024 4:10 AM, philo wrote:

I have the Win11 iso that skips the h/w check

Now why didn't anyone mention that Win11forWin10 ISO before! :)

That's the only thing I need. Let me find it... https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+is+the+Windows+11+iso+that+skips+hardware+checks

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet system requirements https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

I'm continuing to search but I'm finding everything but that ISO. https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/download/2.0.1/WhyNotWin11.exe

OK My notes are rather skimpy ...
I did not write down the version, but I used the iso dated 2 Sept 2021


I upgraded Win10 by booting up and then on the USB stick where I imaged
the iso, I ran from the command line

setup /product server

It then upgraded Win10 to Win11 without a hitch


AFAIK, the spet 2021 iso was the only one that allowed that

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On 08/06/2024 09:33, Larry Wolff AKA Arlen Holder known pedo wrote:

Now why didn't anyone mention that Win11forWin10 ISO before! :)

Hello Arlen,

How's your pedo activities going on at YMCA? Did you receive any calls
from the FBI yet? They are watching you as they now know where to locate
you.

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On 6/8/2024 8:09 AM, Philo wrote:

On 6/8/24 3:33 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:

On 6/8/2024 4:10 AM, philo wrote:

  I have the Win11 iso that skips the h/w check

Now why didn't anyone mention that Win11forWin10 ISO before! :)

That's the only thing I need. Let me find it...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+is+the+Windows+11+iso+that+skips+hardware+checks

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet system requirements
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

I'm continuing to search but I'm finding everything but that ISO.
https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/download/2.0.1/WhyNotWin11.exe

OK   My notes are rather skimpy ...
I did not write down the version, but I used the iso dated 2 Sept 2021

I upgraded Win10 by booting up and then on the USB stick where I imaged the iso, I ran from the command line

setup /product server

It then upgraded Win10 to Win11 without a hitch

AFAIK, the spet 2021 iso was the only one that allowed that

That command is from Oct.2023, so not that long ago. It likely works
with the standard download or something. Because certain kinds of media
are not available anonymously from Microsoft.

https://www.ghacks.net/2023/10/10/this-single-command-bypasses-windows-11-hardware-checks/

There is also a method for disabling Bitlocker if an auto-attack is suspected.

https://www.ghacks.net/2024/05/06/how-to-block-windows-11-from-encrypting-drives-during-installation/

You could make a hobby out of testing this stuff.

Paul

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