I have a long-standing problem, but it's about time I tried to solve it. WinExplorer switches from large items to details, and then to something
else; and all unwanted. And it wipes out all individual settings and
groupings that I've made.

I'm obviously doing something wrong; not sure just what.

I become aware of it when I look into Recycle Bin, and it's now
displaying large items instead of the details I set it as. Or into
Devices and Printers; and they've all regrouped in different categories.

And Windows has never let me know. It just does it all willy-nilly; or,
rather, according to some logic that I've somehow bypassed.


Ed

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Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I have a long-standing problem, but it's about time I tried to solve it. WinExplorer switches from large items to details, and then to something
else; and all unwanted. And it wipes out all individual settings and groupings that I've made.

I'm obviously doing something wrong; not sure just what.

I become aware of it when I look into Recycle Bin, and it's now
displaying large items instead of the details I set it as. Or into
Devices and Printers; and they've all regrouped in different categories.

And Windows has never let me know. It just does it all willy-nilly; or, rather, according to some logic that I've somehow bypassed.

Are you using a cleaner tool that happens to delete desktop.ini files in
its cleanup? If you do your own cleanup deletes, maybe you configured
File Explorer to show hidden files and folders, and that would include
showing desktop.ini files. Using Ctrl+A to select all files to delete
them would also delete the desktop.ini, if you elected to show them.

https://www.javatpoint.com/what-is-the-windows-desktop-ini-file-and-can-i-delete-it

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On 5/23/2024 1:51 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I have a long-standing problem, but it's about time I tried to solve it. WinExplorer switches from large items to details, and then to something else; and all unwanted. And it wipes out all individual settings and groupings that I've made.

I'm obviously doing something wrong; not sure just what.

I become aware of it when I look into Recycle Bin, and it's now displaying large items instead of the details I set it as.  Or into Devices and Printers; and they've all regrouped in different categories.

And Windows has never let me know. It just does it all willy-nilly; or, rather, according to some logic that I've somehow bypassed.

Ed

The shellbags are LRU (the least recently used item, gets bumped if
a new opportunity to record a setting, can't find a place to put it).
If you have 7000 shellbags, and 10000 folders, you don't have a problem,
unless you visit all 10000 folders and start changing things. Then
you might notice that a previously "beautiful" folder is now messed up
again. I had one guy in another group, he was continually whining
about this :-)

Increasing their number, is a better fit for a machine with
a lot of folders. Some people are inveterate sorters,
sorting things into an infinite number of buckets. Such
a person, the default number of shellbags, causes "thrashing"
and "settings seeming to get lost".

I do sort some things (I keep my virtual machines in a central
place, I keep installer DVDs in a central place). For random downloads,
they're just dumped into a huge folder. I am unlikely to run out of
storage for settings, as I'm not really neat and tidy. I even
leave my towel on the bathroom floor (snicker...). But then I pick
the towel up, before someone catches me.

There is at least one tool for viewing the situation, but it is
too close to the ground to give you a real idea what is wrong.
Still, I like any tool that tells us something. All it takes
is one breadcrumb, to solve a problem.

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shell_bags_view.html

This one may have some consequences. It has a "reset all folders" option
which I use sometimes. (First "Apply" on bottom right, then use the upper button for added fun.) If you happen to use the Group option in the
folder you're working on, or it was set to "Large Icons", then you clicked
that "reset all folders" button because you had "stopped hiding Extensions", you can end up with that view spewed all over the place.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/v8v4mDph/folder-options.gif

In some cases, the fileOpen dialog, still continues to show
the Group option, while the regular folder view is not in
that mode. I still haven't figured out why that happens,
or how to banish that puppy forever.

This is not an answer so far, just some breadcrumbs to consider.

There are tools out there. Backup first! Preserve the
file system you're about to mess with.

https://superuser.com/questions/1752744/shell-bags-registry-hacks

The Registry contains all this state info. The "desktop.ini" present
in a lot of folders, is also part of the story, and it contains
"custom view" info. If you make System files visible, you can open
a desktop.ini file with Notepad for a look. This is the desktop.ini
in my Music folder. I think the shell32 call is an entry point.
Occasionally, an OS may use a non-existent entry point on shell32,
and this is an indication that malware is likely present.

[.ShellClassInfo] LocalizedResourceName=@%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll,-21790 InfoTip=@%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll,-12689 IconResource=%SystemRoot%\system32\imageres.dll,-108 IconFile=%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll
IconIndex=-237

Presumably -21790 stands for "make this folder look like a Music
folder, and put columns like Title or Track or...". But if you
had Detailed View, and wanted Large Icons, that info is not
in desktop.ini file. That's in the registry, in a shellbag.

Paul

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On 5/23/2024 1:51 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I have a long-standing problem, but it's about time I tried to solve it. WinExplorer switches from large items to details, and then to something
else; and all unwanted. And it wipes out all individual settings and groupings that I've made.

I'm obviously doing something wrong; not sure just what.

I become aware of it when I look into Recycle Bin, and it's now
displaying large items instead of the details I set it as.  Or into
Devices and Printers; and they've all regrouped in different categories.

And Windows has never let me know. It just does it all willy-nilly; or, rather, according to some logic that I've somehow bypassed.

You're not doing anything wrong. Explorer has been broken
all along and MS can't be bothered to fix it. The Shell\Bags
Registry settings that Paul mentioned are supposed to store
the preferred view for each folder. In XP the system was in
place, but the settings were not saved properly, so it never
worked. It was fixable by writing a script to fix all the entries.
Once each folder had proper settings, Explorer would behave.

On Win7, MS inexplicably broke the broken system, which is
something the do surprisingly often with anything that's not officially documented. Once people find out a fix or a trick that MS didn't
intend, they rush to break it, like a child who can't resist breaking
other childrens' toys.

However, Win7 was fixable by clearing all the Bags entries and
setting only a single AllFolders key.

On Win10 I've tried using the method for Win7. The bad news is
that it doesn't seem to work. The good news is that as near as I
can tell, Win10 Explorer is not quite so senile as XP and Win7 were.
It seems to have a partial ability to remember.

I've been thinking of looking at it to see if maybe Win10 can be
fixed, but haven't got around to it. It's apparently been corrupted
yet again by the bright bulbs at Microsoft. By corrupted I mean that
with every Windows iteration they've jumbled up the Registry
settings, and with every iteration it simply doesn't work. The sheer
idiocy of it all leaves one breathless. It's like a company that spends millions designing a new model of car each year but inexplicably never
actually makes the car so that it will run properly. Sometimes the car
starts. Sometimes it doesn't. And somehow the car maker doesn't
seem to grasp the idea that the car is supposed to be for driving.

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I think I found something that works:

https://lesferch.github.io/WinSetView/

So far it seems to be holding with settings I wanted. But there
are some existing limitations. For example, I like medium icons
view. I prefer 32x32 icons. But if I try that I get small icons in
a single vertical row. To get them showing in a grid I have no
choice but to use 48x48 icons.

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Some more info about this. The utility I found seems to work
for setting the view style. This is what I've ended up with:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell] "FolderType"="Generic"
"WFlags"=dword:00000000
"ShowCmd"=dword:00000001
"HotKey"=dword:00000000
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).top"=dword:000000df "WinPos1920x1080x96(1).left"=dword:000003ea "WinPos1920x1080x96(1).bottom"=dword:00000360 "WinPos1920x1080x96(1).right"=dword:0000072b

"MinPos1920x1080x96(1).x"=dword:ffff8300 "MinPos1920x1080x96(1).y"=dword:ffff8300 "MaxPos1920x1080x96(1).x"=dword:ffffffff "MaxPos1920x1080x96(1).y"=dword:ffffffff

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell\{5C4F28B5-F869-4E84-8E60-F11DB97C5CC7}]
"FFlags"=dword:41200001
"Mode"=dword:00000001
"LogicalViewMode"=dword:00000003
"IconSize"=dword:00000030
"GroupView"=dword:00000000

The utility mainly set the second set of settings, under
the GUID for general folders. I think Mode is the style
(icons, details, etc) I'm not familiar with LogicalViewMode.
IconSize of 30 is hex for 48.

However, the utility doesn't
provide window size options. I set those myself in the Shell
key detailed above. You can figure it out from those values.
I don't think the min/max are relevant, but the position
values control window width and height by speccing top, bottom,
left, right. I've set it to appear about mid-screen, about
800x600. These settings are resolution-specific. That's
why it's 1920x1080. If the resolution were changed then
the size would have to be redone.

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VanguardLH wrote:

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I have a long-standing problem, but it's about time I tried to solve it.
WinExplorer switches from large items to details, and then to something
else; and all unwanted. And it wipes out all individual settings and
groupings that I've made.

I'm obviously doing something wrong; not sure just what.

I become aware of it when I look into Recycle Bin, and it's now
displaying large items instead of the details I set it as. Or into
Devices and Printers; and they've all regrouped in different categories.

And Windows has never let me know. It just does it all willy-nilly; or,
rather, according to some logic that I've somehow bypassed.

Are you using a cleaner tool that happens to delete desktop.ini files in
its cleanup? If you do your own cleanup deletes, maybe you configured
File Explorer to show hidden files and folders, and that would include showing desktop.ini files. Using Ctrl+A to select all files to delete
them would also delete the desktop.ini, if you elected to show them.

https://www.javatpoint.com/what-is-the-windows-desktop-ini-file-and-can-i-delete-it

I certainly don't delete desktop.ini deliberately. I'm well aware of its usefulness.
I do, however, occasionally run CCleaner. I've heard good of it from
other people; it has a good reputation for being safe, and I should
think that if it were deleting such a central file then that reputation
would be very different.

Ed

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 5/24/2024 6:36 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

As far as I can make out, these two files are completely regular and orthodox.
Here's one explanation;

"The Desktop displayed by Windows when you start your computer or device is a combination of your user's Desktop and the Public Desktop folder. You see two desktop. ini files because two folders combine to create your Desktop, each with its own desktop.

ini: one for your user account and one for the Public Desktop.12 Sept 2019".

Ed

Agent Ransack says I have 146 of those files on the C: drive.

They're quite common.

Paul

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 5/24/2024 5:14 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

Newyana2 wrote:

Some more info about this. The utility I found seems to work
for setting the view style. This is what I've ended up with:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell]
"FolderType"="Generic"
"WFlags"=dword:00000000
"ShowCmd"=dword:00000001
"HotKey"=dword:00000000
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).top"=dword:000000df
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).left"=dword:000003ea
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).bottom"=dword:00000360
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).right"=dword:0000072b

"MinPos1920x1080x96(1).x"=dword:ffff8300
"MinPos1920x1080x96(1).y"=dword:ffff8300
"MaxPos1920x1080x96(1).x"=dword:ffffffff
"MaxPos1920x1080x96(1).y"=dword:ffffffff

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell\{5C4F28B5-F869-4E84-8E60-F11DB97C5CC7}]
"FFlags"=dword:41200001
"Mode"=dword:00000001
"LogicalViewMode"=dword:00000003
"IconSize"=dword:00000030
"GroupView"=dword:00000000

   The utility mainly set the second set of settings, under
the GUID for general folders. I think Mode is the style
(icons, details, etc) I'm not familiar with LogicalViewMode.
IconSize of 30 is hex for 48.

  However, the utility doesn't
provide window size options. I set those myself in the Shell
key detailed above. You can figure it out from those values.
I don't think the min/max are relevant, but the position
values control window width and height by speccing top, bottom,
left, right. I've set it to appear about mid-screen, about
800x600. These settings are resolution-specific. That's
why it's 1920x1080. If the resolution were changed then
the size would have to be redone.

The instructions for downloading and running that utility are;
 1.    Download the zip file using the link above.
 2.   Extract the entire zip file.
 3.   Right-click WinSetView.exe, select Properties, check Unblock, and click OK.
 4.    Run WinSetView.exe.
 5.   If you skipped step 3, then, in the SmartScreen window, click More info and then Run anyway.

I can't trace "Unblock" anywhere. Has anybody found it?
It sounds worth trying out, but I'm always a bit suspicious of something that doesn't fit its description.

Ed

Type of file:

Description:
----------------------
Location:

Size:

Size on disk:
----------------------
Created:

Modified:

Accessed:
----------------------
_ _ +----------+
Attributes: | | Read-only | | Hidden | Advanced |
- - +----------+
Security: This file came from another _
computer and might be blocked to | | Unblock <===== Click to activate "Unblock"
help protect the computer - Click Apply
Security: line disappears
because you have de-asserted the warning

You unblock an EXE file, if it needs it.

Once the Security: line has disappeared, the file should be executable.

At some point, Windows Defender scanned the file. It scans things as they
enter the computer. If you download a ZIP file, it scans inside it.
If you download a 7Z file with AES256 encryption, it does NOT scan it.

Windows Defender works independently of the Security: warning.
The Security: warning stays there, even if an AV scans the file.

The warning flag is stored as an Alternate Stream in the file system.
Ticking Unblock and clicking Apply, causes the Zone 3 Alternate Stream
to be removed. Zone 3 is Internet Explorer terminology for the Internet
zone. Internet Explorer had five Zones, some with "download risk" or whatever.

The Zone and Security model of Internet Explorer, is honoured by other
browser companies. Because it saves them some effort.

You can manually scan a file with Windows Defender, from the
right-click menu. Based on the above description, you would
say to yourself "why do I need to do this?". On rare occasions,
WD is dead and does not respond. This tells you the security posture
of the machine is currently suspect. and then you would not execute
a newly-acquired EXE file, until you had assured yourself that
Windows Defender was actually running. I used to see this
early on, in Windows 10, but for the most part, it's been
alive more recently. Sometimes, even a reboot would not
re-inflate Windows Defender. No, it wasn't malware :-)

Paul

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 5/24/2024 5:14 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

Newyana2 wrote:

Some more info about this. The utility I found seems to work
for setting the view style. This is what I've ended up with:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local
Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell]
"FolderType"="Generic"
"WFlags"=dword:00000000
"ShowCmd"=dword:00000001
"HotKey"=dword:00000000
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).top"=dword:000000df
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).left"=dword:000003ea
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).bottom"=dword:00000360
"WinPos1920x1080x96(1).right"=dword:0000072b

"MinPos1920x1080x96(1).x"=dword:ffff8300
"MinPos1920x1080x96(1).y"=dword:ffff8300
"MaxPos1920x1080x96(1).x"=dword:ffffffff
"MaxPos1920x1080x96(1).y"=dword:ffffffff

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local
Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell\{5C4F28B5-F869-4E84-8E60-F11DB97C5CC7}]

"FFlags"=dword:41200001
"Mode"=dword:00000001
"LogicalViewMode"=dword:00000003
"IconSize"=dword:00000030
"GroupView"=dword:00000000

   The utility mainly set the second set of settings, under
the GUID for general folders. I think Mode is the style
(icons, details, etc) I'm not familiar with LogicalViewMode.
IconSize of 30 is hex for 48.

  However, the utility doesn't
provide window size options. I set those myself in the Shell
key detailed above. You can figure it out from those values.
I don't think the min/max are relevant, but the position
values control window width and height by speccing top, bottom,
left, right. I've set it to appear about mid-screen, about
800x600. These settings are resolution-specific. That's
why it's 1920x1080. If the resolution were changed then
the size would have to be redone.

The instructions for downloading and running that utility are;
 1.    Download the zip file using the link above.
 2.   Extract the entire zip file.
 3.   Right-click WinSetView.exe, select Properties, check Unblock, and click OK.
 4.    Run WinSetView.exe.
 5.   If you skipped step 3, then, in the SmartScreen window, click
More info and then Run anyway.

I can't trace "Unblock" anywhere. Has anybody found it?
It sounds worth trying out, but I'm always a bit suspicious of something
that doesn't fit its description.

I never read that part. I also don't have Unblock in file
properties. That seems to be connected with the downloaded
file ADS file marker that's used to mark downloads as coming
from Internet zone 3 and thus possibly not being safe.

That started back with IE. Firefox may also do it. I don't
remember the details. I think there's an option somewhere
to ignore that. At any rate, I've never seen the nags myself.

I can't vouch for the download, but it looked OK to me. It
was discussed in a Superuser.com topic, the code is on github,
with an MIT license, and most of it is readable script. It's also
offered at a number of download sites, including MajorGeeks.
I tend to trust them because they don't accept submitted
listings, they only post what they want to, and I've used them
for years with no funny business.

So it all smells legit to me, but of course you have to decide
for yourself.

The package could be better designed, though. The help can't
be downloaded as a PDF. The layout is quirky. There's no option
for Explorer window size. The options along
the top seem to only be choices for the layout of the settings
window, which is confusing. The program is billed as open source,
yet it contains EXEs.

The main EXE seems to be a program
embedding an HTA. So why not just have the main program EXE
be an HTA? Looking at the raw code of the EXE it appears to be
written by VBSEdit, which is an editor that claims the rather bizarre
ability to compile VBS and HTA into executables. Why? To look
official? What could possibly be the point of turning an HTA into an
EXE in a program that claims to be open source?

I'm guessing the author just thought it looked
more normal. Many people don't know what an HTA is. Also, within
the EXE is code to set IE compatibility view. So it's possible that
the EXE is designed to provide a smooth landing for the HTA.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On 5/24/2024 8:34 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

Thanks, Paul.

I always use right-click scan with Windows Defender on all files I download, so I never see that security message.
Would it appear under the Security tab if Defender hadn't done its job?

Ed

Marking the files that way is an independent function (presumably the browser is doing it,
I don't know the details of implementation, like "who is doing the job of marking").

Most of the files in my Downloads directory, have the security: warning asserted.
It's not on my "worry list", that lot. But if you've enabled additional security
features on your machine, then that assertion may figure into the response.

As it is, Windows Defender sucks the life out of the machine. If I'm using hashdeep to say, generate checksums for all my files, it runs at roughly
1/8th normal speed. And that's because Windows Defender scans every file, before the program gets a whiff.

One other thing to notice about Windows Defender, is it may be treating
the C: drive differently than the D: drive. Not all partitions are
necessarily scanned with the same level of aggression. It's possible there
is a setting for that.

Paul

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Marking the files that way is an independent function (presumably the browser is doing it,
I don't know the details of implementation, like "who is doing the job of marking").

It started out that that was an IE function, but it seems to be
system-wide now. It's turned off on my system. I'm not sure
how. I just went through disabling all that stuff. It may be
connected with SmartScreen. I not only get no warnings but
none of the files on my Desktop -- which is where I download
to routinely -- has a ZoneID marker ADS attached.

It may also be an option in Internet Options. I can't check
that right now. I have an odd scenario: I wanted to be able
to actually open IE and found that function was blocked in late
2023. I can use a WebBrowser control, which still works in my
own software. So I could have written a quickie IE wrapper.
But no IE? It didn't make sense.

Then I found a page saying that if I swap out older
ieframe.dll -- both 32 and 64 bit -- then IE will work again.
Sure enough, it's true. I swapped out ieframes from the
20H2 ISO to my 22H2 install. It's still IE11. But somehow
that killed inetcpl.cpl.
Maybe I also need to swap that out. But the settings are
still accessible via the Registry, I removed Edge, and I only use
IE locally, so it's not critical.

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Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I have a long-standing problem, but it's about time I tried to solve it. >>> WinExplorer switches from large items to details, and then to something
else; and all unwanted. And it wipes out all individual settings and
groupings that I've made.

I'm obviously doing something wrong; not sure just what.

I become aware of it when I look into Recycle Bin, and it's now
displaying large items instead of the details I set it as. Or into
Devices and Printers; and they've all regrouped in different categories. >>>
And Windows has never let me know. It just does it all willy-nilly; or,
rather, according to some logic that I've somehow bypassed.

Are you using a cleaner tool that happens to delete desktop.ini files in
its cleanup? If you do your own cleanup deletes, maybe you configured
File Explorer to show hidden files and folders, and that would include
showing desktop.ini files. Using Ctrl+A to select all files to delete
them would also delete the desktop.ini, if you elected to show them.

https://www.javatpoint.com/what-is-the-windows-desktop-ini-file-and-can-i-delete-it

I certainly don't delete desktop.ini deliberately. I'm well aware of its usefulness.
I do, however, occasionally run CCleaner. I've heard good of it from
other people; it has a good reputation for being safe, and I should
think that if it were deleting such a central file then that reputation
would be very different.

When I've had File Explorer configured to show system and hidden files,
and despite knowing I want to keep the desktop.ini file within folder, I
have still accidentally deleted desktop.ini when I've used Ctrl+A to
select all files and hit the Del key. Do you hide or show system and
hidden files in File Explorer? If I show, it is only temporarily, and
then I hide them again.

I use CCleaner, too, and never had it delete desktop.ini files. By
default, its Advanced -> Windows Size/Location setting is disabled.
Alas, some cleanup entries are too vaguely describe to know just what
they delete.

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