• Microsoft's AI chatbot will 'recall' everything you do on its new PCs

    From Nomen Nescio@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 20 23:26:06 2024
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    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt

    Microsoft wants laptop users to get so comfortable with its artificial intelligence chatbot that it will remember everything you’re doing on
    your computer and help figure out what you want to do next.

    The software giant on Monday revealed an upgraded version of Copilot,
    its AI assistant, as it confronts heightened competition from big tech
    rivals in pitching generative AI technology that can compose documents,
    make images and serve as a lifelike personal assistant at work or home.

    The announcements ahead of Microsoft’s annual Build developer conference
    in Seattle centered on imbuing AI features into a product where
    Microsoft already has the eyes of millions of consumers: the Windows
    operating system for personal computers.

    The new features will include Windows Recall, enabling the AI assistant
    to “access virtually what you have seen or done on your PC in a way that feels like having photographic memory”. Microsoft promises to protect users’ privacy by giving them the option to filter out what they don’t
    want tracked.

    The conference follows big AI announcements last week from rival Google,
    as well as Microsoft’s close business partner OpenAI, which built the AI large language models on which Microsoft’s Copilot is based.

    Google rolled out a retooled search engine that periodically puts
    AI-generated summaries over website links at the top of the results
    page; while also showing off a still-in-development AI assistant Astra
    that will be able to “see” and converse about things shown through a smartphone’s camera lens.

    ChatGPT-maker OpenAI unveiled a new version of its chatbot last week, demonstrating an AI voice assistant with human characteristics that can
    banter about what someone’s wearing and even attempt to assess a
    person’s emotions. The voice sounded so much like Scarlett Johansson
    playing an AI character in the sci-fi movie “Her” that OpenAI dropped
    the voice from its collection Monday.

    Though Microsoft has invested billions in OpenAI, the startup also
    rolled out a new desktop version of ChatGPT designed for Apple’s Mac computers.

    Next up is Apple’s own annual developers conference in June. The Apple
    CEO Tim Cook signaled at the company’s annual shareholder meeting in
    February that it has been making big investments in generative AI.

    Some of Microsoft’s announcements Monday appeared designed to blunt
    whatever Apple has in store. The newly AI-enhanced Windows PCs will
    start rolling out on 18 June on computers made by Microsoft partners
    Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP, Lenovo and Samsung, as well as on Microsoft’s
    Surface line of devices. But they’ll be reserved for premium models
    starting at $999.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/20/microsoft-chatbot-assistant-pc

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  • From anonymous@21:1/5 to Nomen Nescio on Thu May 23 07:13:59 2024
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    XPost: comp.ai.philosophy

    Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
    news:v2hepf$7ac$1@toxic.dizum.net:

    Microsoft wants laptop users to get so comfortable with its artificial intelligence chatbot that it will remember everything you’re doing
    on your computer and help figure out what you want to do next.

    The software giant on Monday revealed an upgraded version of Copilot,
    its AI assistant, as it confronts heightened competition from big tech
    rivals in pitching generative AI technology that can compose
    documents, make images and serve as a lifelike personal assistant at
    work or home.

    The announcements ahead of Microsoft’s annual Build developer
    conference in Seattle centered on imbuing AI features into a product
    where Microsoft already has the eyes of millions of consumers: the
    Windows operating system for personal computers.

    The new features will include Windows Recall, enabling the AI
    assistant to “access virtually what you have seen or done on your PC
    in a way that feels like having photographic memory”. Microsoft
    promises to protect users’ privacy by giving them the option to
    filter out what they don’t want tracked.

    The conference follows big AI announcements last week from rival
    Google, as well as Microsoft’s close business partner OpenAI, which
    built the AI large language models on which Microsoft’s Copilot is
    based.

    Google rolled out a retooled search engine that periodically puts AI-generated summaries over website links at the top of the results
    page; while also showing off a still-in-development AI assistant Astra
    that will be able to “see” and converse about things shown through
    a smartphone’s camera lens.

    ChatGPT-maker OpenAI unveiled a new version of its chatbot last week, demonstrating an AI voice assistant with human characteristics that
    can banter about what someone’s wearing and even attempt to assess a person’s emotions. The voice sounded so much like Scarlett Johansson playing an AI character in the sci-fi movie “Her” that OpenAI
    dropped the voice from its collection Monday.

    Though Microsoft has invested billions in OpenAI, the startup also
    rolled out a new desktop version of ChatGPT designed for Apple’s Mac computers.

    Next up is Apple’s own annual developers conference in June. The
    Apple CEO Tim Cook signaled at the company’s annual shareholder
    meeting in February that it has been making big investments in
    generative AI.

    Some of Microsoft’s announcements Monday appeared designed to blunt whatever Apple has in store. The newly AI-enhanced Windows PCs will
    start rolling out on 18 June on computers made by Microsoft partners
    Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP, Lenovo and Samsung, as well as on Microsoft’s
    Surface line of devices. But they’ll be reserved for premium models starting at $999.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/20/microsoft-ch atbot-assistant-pc

    All the more reason to run Linux.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to anonymous on Thu May 23 04:47:18 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.ai.philosophy

    On 5/23/2024 1:13 AM, anonymous wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/20/microsoft-chatbot-assistant-pc

    All the more reason to run Linux.


    I can imagine the AOL CDs in my mail box now ("Install Linux Now! 200 free hours!").

    That's one of the first problems, is Linux does not know how to promote itself. Where are the AOL CDs ? Linux needs someone to bankroll promotion.

    We don't know enough about the situation, to make any rash decisions just yet. It looks like "Recall" might run on the Surface ARM product that has a
    40TOPS NPU inside it. We don't know what "lesser" machines have this level of AI.
    And it's not exactly all that difficult to take a screenshot, without
    an AI. Once the notion enters their head, I'm sure they can be a
    lot more practical about it.

    Linux has SimpleScreenRecorder :-) Nothing bad could happen. I'm
    pretty sure Linux is "safe".

    https://files.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/screenshot.png

    Paul

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to anonymous on Thu May 23 09:14:26 2024
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    XPost: comp.ai.philosophy

    On Thu 23 May 2024 8:13 am, anonymous wrote:
    Microsoft wants

    I don't live in that environment, so irrelevant.

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Thu May 23 06:50:22 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.privacy, alt.privacy.anon-server
    XPost: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 05/23/2024 5:14 AM, Anonymous wrote:
    On Thu 23 May 2024 8:13 am, anonymous wrote:
    Microsoft wants

    I don't live in that environment, so irrelevant.

    If the computer does all of that it is taking my job from me and can
    exist by itself.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu May 23 07:51:32 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.ai.philosophy

    On 5/23/2024 4:47 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 5/23/2024 1:13 AM, anonymous wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/20/microsoft-chatbot-assistant-pc

    All the more reason to run Linux.


    I can imagine the AOL CDs in my mail box now ("Install Linux Now! 200 free hours!").

    That's one of the first problems, is Linux does not know how to promote itself.
    Where are the AOL CDs ? Linux needs someone to bankroll promotion.


    Linux has AOL CDs. Linux has everything. I think some
    Austrian guy put the source code on Github for producing
    AOL Linux CDs. Are you comfy with C++ and Rust? Of course
    you are. So you're almost there. The command line incantations
    to download the source code are online somewhere.

    As Stallman reportedly said to a man who told him that
    he was having trouble with Stallman's compiler: "Then write
    your own."

    We don't know enough about the situation, to make any rash decisions just yet.

    It seems inevitable that designing a bot to watch everything
    you do will be exploited, even if that's not the primary motive.
    They're not going to just "leave all that data on the table".
    They're going to use it for targetted ads and sell it. But this is
    Microsoft, of course. They'll sell it tastefully. They won't just
    sell it to any old character in any old back alley, like Google
    does. They'll sell it to Fortune 500 slimeballs.

    I think the bigger focus is on futuristic fantasy. The Jetsons.
    I remember as a depressed highschooler I used to go home after
    a grueling day of inhumane boredom at school, and I'd sit in my
    father's reclining easy chair. (He was at work, so he'd never know.)
    I'd tip back and dream of the future when I'd be able to press
    a button on the arm and have a glass of orange juice float in
    from the kitchen. Now THAT's living!

    The future would cure all ills. Science was God. We had only
    but to wait for the genius inventions that would render our lives
    endless bliss. "An electric ice crusher! What'll they think of next?"
    ... "Software to think for me. I can't wait."

    Star Trek got it all wrong:

    Kirk: "Computer, how far to the Orellian system?"

    Computer: "We'll be there in a hop, skip and a jump, Cap'n.
    Madonna is the ruler of the Orellian system and the primary
    crop on all planets is Skittles. On Orellian planet C-264 they're
    about to come out with a 30 foot, 3-D, walk-in TV."

    Kirk: "Spock, have someone fix the computer. Apparently
    some wiseguy has been adding AI again."

    Computer: "This, dude. Yo, Spock, no hurry... Scarlett
    Johanssen should be paying me, yo?... Anyone ready for some
    DoorDash pizza action?"

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 13:08:10 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.privacy, alt.privacy.anon-server
    XPost: comp.ai.philosophy

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 07:13:59 +0200 (CEST), anonymous <anon@anon.com>
    wrote:

    The new features will include Windows Recall, enabling the AI
    assistant to access virtually what you have seen or done on your PC
    in a way that feels like having photographic memory. Microsoft
    promises to protect users privacy by giving them the option to
    filter out what they dont want tracked.

    Sounds like Clippy on steroids with sociopathy.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri May 24 10:19:32 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/24/2024 3:50 AM, ...winston wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On 5/23/2024 1:13 AM, anonymous wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/20/microsoft-chatbot-assistant-pc

    We don't know enough about the situation, to make any rash decisions just yet.
    It looks like "Recall" might run on the Surface ARM product that has a
    40TOPS NPU inside it. We don't know what "lesser" machines have this level of AI.


    A bit more than MSFT's Surface
    May 20, 2024
    "The first wave of over 20 Copilot+ PCs powered by Snapdragon X Elite and Snapdragon X Plus were announced today from leading global OEMs including Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, and Samsung. Devices are available for pre-order now and can be
    purchased from major retailers starting June 18"

    Device availability from Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, and Samsung.

    cf: <https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2024/05/snapdragon-x-series-is-the-exclusive-platform-to-power-the-next->

    As I mentioned in Win10 group...you'll have to buy your way into getting/using/worrying about 'Recall'


    NVidia has chimed in, that its RTX card has a Tensor core among
    other things, and has moar powar than the QualComm thing.

    The pseudo-launch is off to a good start. Let the confusion begin.

    And over in Ars, Commander Keane was dispatched to do damage control :-)
    Too funny. Hardly anyone there seemed to recognize the nym. It seemed
    a dev was dispatched too. But I'm proud of the audience there, because
    they raised all the issues I'd have with this project. The "trust problem". Many of the "bad scenarios" boil down to trust. And one scenario, is
    practical -- what happens when you do a backup with a "Recall" on your C: .
    The police kick down your door, pull a two year old backup and load
    up the "Recall" from two years ago, for a look. Or maybe a "Recall" is
    copied off your laptop, as you go through the airport security.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to ...winston on Sun May 26 01:37:34 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/25/2024 6:09 PM, ...winston wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On 5/24/2024 3:50 AM, ...winston wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On 5/23/2024 1:13 AM, anonymous wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/20/microsoft-chatbot-assistant-pc

    We don't know enough about the situation, to make any rash decisions just yet.
    It looks like "Recall" might run on the Surface ARM product that has a >>>> 40TOPS NPU inside it. We don't know what "lesser" machines have this level of AI.


    A bit more than MSFT's Surface
    May 20, 2024
    "The first wave of over 20 Copilot+ PCs powered by Snapdragon X Elite and Snapdragon X Plus were announced today from leading global OEMs including Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, and Samsung. Devices are available for pre-order now and can
    be purchased from major retailers starting June 18"

    Device availability from Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, and Samsung.

    cf:
    <https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2024/05/snapdragon-x-series-is-the-exclusive-platform-to-power-the-next->

    As I mentioned in Win10 group...you'll have to buy your way into getting/using/worrying about 'Recall'


    NVidia has chimed in, that its RTX card has a Tensor core among
    other things, and has moar powar than the QualComm thing.

    The pseudo-launch is off to a good start. Let the confusion begin.

    And over in Ars, Commander Keane was dispatched to do damage control :-)
    Too funny. Hardly anyone there seemed to recognize the nym. It seemed
    a dev was dispatched too. But I'm proud of the audience there, because
    they raised all the issues I'd have with this project. The "trust problem". >> Many of the "bad scenarios" boil down to trust. And one scenario, is
    practical -- what happens when you do a backup with a "Recall" on your C: . >> The police kick down your door, pull a two year old backup and load
    up the "Recall" from two years ago, for a look. Or maybe a "Recall" is
    copied off your laptop, as you go through the airport security.

        Paul


    At this stage, it's all hypothesis.

    When folks start replacing their 'Honda Civic' pcs with 'Porsche GT3' pcs the smog may or may not be clearer.



    We used to do focus groups at work, to gain feedback
    for ideas we had.

    The purpose of focus groups, is to "maximize your gain" from
    a project, or, evaluate that the idea won't be profitable.
    Or as profitable as some executive thinks it would be.

    But I also know there is a certain desperation, "to deliver".
    I pity the poor bastards who have a boss that said "Put
    AI into every product. Grab an oar! The Captain wants to
    water ski". Because you know there will be total chaos.
    But the executives, at least some of them, feel there is
    no choice, because "it might be a gold rush". No, it's not
    a gold rush.

    Look at Google, if you want to see what desperation begets.
    The smell of flop sweat fills the air. There's another clueless
    AI project. Ruining a search engine in a matter of days. Reviewers
    are already analyzing it for boneheaded suggestions it is making.

    I know that a few narrow projects, are spectacularly successful.
    Allowing people to be laid off in industry. But the idea we're
    spreading general purpose AGI with this stuff, is just silly.
    The metric, is the quality of the Dad Jokes :-)

    Look at robots. Robots still have sketchy hands. They were working
    on robotic hands back around 1980 or so! Five fingers. No power.
    Couldn't crush walnuts or anything. Saw a hand in a California lab.
    Look at the hands today, forty years later. Progress ? Yes.
    Are we crushing walnuts or handling eggs with velvet gloves.
    No, not really. There are robots that can kinda walk. There
    are robots that solve the inverted pendulum problem (they
    don't fall over), but they can't run like the bionic man, not
    even close. Where is the gold rush there ? Well, it's in the
    price. The price is falling for the rubbish stuff. Skill is
    spreading through the industry. My company tried to hire a
    roboticist way back when, but "no interesting resumes showed up".
    There was a skills vacuum. Today, you could probably hire someone.

    And people are still being hurt by robots. In industry, they learned
    to put protective barriers around robots. To prevent accidents. But
    there are still work sites out there, who think a "cute" robot can't
    hurt anyone. They still can! Who knew. They still need that Big
    Red safety stop button. Or barriers.

    Paul

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun May 26 09:23:39 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/26/2024 1:37 AM, Paul wrote:

    The "trust problem".
    Many of the "bad scenarios" boil down to trust. And one scenario, is
    practical -- what happens when you do a backup with a "Recall" on your C: . >>> The police kick down your door, pull a two year old backup and load
    up the "Recall" from two years ago, for a look. Or maybe a "Recall" is
    copied off your laptop, as you go through the airport security.


    Historically that's not how it plays out. The vulnerability with gmail,
    for example, is not that police will physically force you to hand over
    email. It's already been established in court cases that Google owns
    you email because it's on their server. The convenient thing about that
    is that it's like online spying: frictionless. You never even have a chance
    to claim illegal search and seizure. Even if you do, the reaction will be
    just as Winston's is: "Hey, easy with the tinfoil hat. For now we're just tracking everything you do, for your own good."

    Industry, law enforcement, advertisers and
    tech companies all have a vested interest in you NOT controlling your
    life or your data. So who does care? Senators Ron Wyden and Ed
    Markey. And, you know, the tinfoil hat people.

    That's essentially how the spyware/adware industry works. No one
    has to break into your house to see what soda brand you like or what
    shampoo you use. They can find out without any physical trespass
    and without you knowing, by spying on you online, in stores, and in
    virtually any way that's restricted to crunching digital data. Most people can't even understand how that's possible, much less educate themselves
    about privacy. It's an invisible infestation.

    When Target started advertising maternity products to a teenage girl
    through the mail before her father knew she was pregnant, that didn't
    require them to film her sex life. They only had to track what she was
    buying and let the "AI" of the time speculate:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/


    I know that a few narrow projects, are spectacularly successful.
    Allowing people to be laid off in industry. But the idea we're
    spreading general purpose AGI with this stuff, is just silly.
    The metric, is the quality of the Dad Jokes :-)


    I saw an example recently of how it's now possible to generate
    4 realistic photos almost instantly, of a pig wearing a St Patricks
    Day hat, eating corned beef and cabbage, and watching TV... using
    Copilot. So, eat your words, buddy boy. :)

    That's all the proof I need. Watch out Blue Mountain eCards. From
    now on I'm sending people a deepfake video of Scarlett Johanssen
    doing a striptease on top of Mt Everest while holding a pizza
    delivery box full of Cocoa Puffs and doing Zoomba with an alien. The
    sky's the limit. (I heard that OpenAI has already imitated SJ's voice,
    having failed to get permission to use it legally.)

    Of course, it will be tough to transition from my older eMiracles.
    I've become addicted to using my Kin phone to access Longhorn
    Hailstorm services, while calling my chiropractor on my SPOT watch.
    And it's hard to give up all those disappearing eBooks on my Kindle.
    But progress waits for no man.

    There's actually an interesting precedent for this. Remember
    when Active Desktop came out? It was a dismal failure as an
    ad platform on Windows. But the public never even knew that that
    was what it was supposed to be. At the time there was PC mania and
    Internet mania. There were Internet keyboards with buttons to get your
    email. There was the "romcom" hit movie You've Got Mail. There was
    also a lapdog tech media that was only too happy to sing the praises
    of the ruling titans who advertised in their magazines.

    Windows had been rendered "webby". Folder windows on Windows
    were literally webpages in IE. The public was also oblivious to that.
    Yet the surface effect was not a failure. The tech media dutifully
    praised Microsoft brilliance and Bill Gates's "vision". (Last I heard,
    Gates was still visioning his way into taking over public education
    and converting it into his own business.)

    Just by making Windows look "webby", Bill Gates was widely celebrated
    as a visionary who had "turned the Microsoft ship on a dime". I read
    exactly that phrase in numerous places. By turning folders into mock
    browsers, Bill Gates had foreseen and exploited the coming Internet Age. Windows was relevant, big time -- leading the charge to the future. And
    Steve Ballmer stressed his blood pressure, as usual, to scream that
    "We will win the Web!" (Business Week interview 2005) as Microsoft
    readied the next phase of owning computing with the likes of Hailstorm.

    In some ways Bill Gates was ahead of his time. What he tried to do with
    slim PCs, Active Desktop, Hailstorm, Passport and SPOT watches
    eventually took shape as online services and cellphone apps. (MS are
    even now pretending that Passport has been there all along.) Gates just
    tried to implement it using 400 MHz Celerons and 56K modems, with no
    online services infrastructure in place. His visionary idea was merely to
    sell Desktop space to Disney for ads. "Channels", Microsoft called them.
    Surely people would want updating Disney ads on their Desktops? That's
    webby, right?

    Gates's inflated view of his own
    brilliance, combined with the dullwitted assumption that the purpose
    of business is greed, led to a series of very clever failures and a lot of marketing fuel. So Active Desktop was arguably not a failure, because
    the lapdog tech media cast it as cutting edge.

    I expect it will be the same this time. As long as people think that
    AI is here to transform humanity and change the meaning of life, any
    company decorating themselves with AI will be cutting edge. Partying
    pigs watching TV is just an example that us normal people can understand.
    No doubt those scientist people are doing amazing things beyond our comprehension, like planning food production on Bezos's moon bases.
    (And we'll be able to eat as much moon food as we like without getting
    fat or getting cellulite!)

    Stock analysts will judge those companies yapping about AI to be
    a force to contend with. And to some extent they'll be right. Look at
    Google. They became a billion dollar company by perfecting search. But
    that pales next to their success in creating an international spyware
    behemoth powered by dependable, free, online tools. Google's
    sleaze is the cutting edge of applied tech. I expect that
    MS are currently trying to pull a Netscape against Google: Cut off their
    air supply, as Gates so delicately put it, by spying directly at the source. People fantasize about how the future will be profoundly different. But
    we're still humans, whether or not we have a robot to brush our teeth.
    In the final analysis it will always about market share and getting laid.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 26 12:43:25 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/26/2024 9:23 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

    I saw an example recently of how it's now possible to generate
    4 realistic photos almost instantly, of a pig wearing a St Patricks
    Day hat, eating corned beef and cabbage, and watching TV... using
    Copilot. So, eat your words, buddy boy. :)

    Part of this is my fault. But I was in a rush to see if it could
    do a plain scatterplot and draw a line through it.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/ryt0Z1jz/request-to-graph.gif

    One thing to notice about that, is the style. CoPilot images
    seem to need "sprinkles" around the edges. Which makes
    re-purposing the images almost impossible. I suppose you
    could use some directive to use "cartoon-like graphics",
    but the LLMs are quite capable of just ignoring any
    detail they like.

    The pig wearing the hat, will have a lot of distractions around
    the edges. I think there are other specialized AI better suited
    perhaps. "Collect the whole set". Maybe they will hand out
    AI at the filling station, instead of the tumblers (drinking glasses)
    they used to carry.

    Now, if "Recall" was running, and got saved into a backup, that
    image could be there to haunt me two years from now.

    Paul

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