Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5. >...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been updating. Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5. ...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is
undeniably comical, but I can't figure rhyme or reason for it. When it
loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available, and then
gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I
wouldn't know how; even after I'd stopped laughing.
On 5/15/2024 6:35 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been updating. >> Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is undeniably comical, but I can't
figure rhyme or reason for it. When it loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available,
and then gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I wouldn't know how; even after
I'd stopped laughing.
 I use CrystalDiskInfo, which seems to work well. I once had trouble
with Samsung. I don't remember what. Either way I'd never allow
anything to auto-update. There's too much risk of bugs. And these
days there are risks of getting things you don't want. (I'm looking
at you, Copilot.)
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been updating. Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5. ...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is
undeniably comical, but I can't figure rhyme or reason for it. When it
loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available, and then
gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I
wouldn't know how; even after I'd stopped laughing.
Ed
It doesn't surprise me. Over the years I've seen others do this. They need to step up in stages,
as each stage makes necessary (or they think so) changes to the data structure of their settings.
But that doesn't fly well with Newyana2's comment about just downloading the most current.
I use https://patchmypc.com/home-updater. It follows a lot of software and when run gives you a
list of apps that need updating. It might take a day or so for some apps to hit their list, but
quick enough. I use it to get the list but don't click the update apps button, but do the work
myself for the most part. Paranoid maybe? However, some small programs I do auto update. Not
sure what my criteria is but I do.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been updating. >> Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is
undeniably comical, but I can't figure rhyme or reason for it. When it
loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available, and then
gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I
wouldn't know how; even after I'd stopped laughing.
Ed
When I go to:
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/us/consumer-storage/magician/
It announces 8.1 is the current version. However, the web page is
designed for children, like I'm visiting some site about My Little Pony.
They need to keep it professional, not inanely amateurish. The
"Download Files" hyperlink goes to:
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/us/consumer-storage/support/tools/
I don't recall ever letting Magician automatically update. When it
reports an update, I go to the update page to download the latest
version. I keep each version download to allow an escape route should
the latest version have critical or usability bugs. Well, actually
another route would be to restore from image backups, but since I use Magician as a manual tool to alter the amount of unpartitioned space on
a drive, it could be a while before I hit a bug, and restoring from an
image backup would result in losing a lot of other valuable stuff
between when I installed the new version to when a bug was found. So,
quite often I do an uninstall, do the remnant file and registry cleanup,
and install an old version to fallback to a non-buggy version.
Since the only "magic" this tool provides is that of a partition manager
the assists in changing the amount of unpartitioned space in a drive,
and if a version is functional, there's little need to update a working version of it. Every SSD already has a preset amount of unallocatable
space used for overprovisioning. Normally that is around 7-10% of the drive's space, and space you can never access regardless of which
partition manager you use. It is hidden and reserved space used for overprovisioning the SSD which help to promote its longevity. Server
SSDs usually have more overprovisioning space, like 20%, and is what I
set mine on my home desktop. By increasing the unpartitioned space on a drive, overprovisioning can use that added but unallocated space.
https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/overprovisioning-SSD-overprovisioning
https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/overprovisioning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15wN8JC2L4 (ad starts at 3:50)
If you knew what you were doing, any partition manager will let you
change the amount of unallocated space of your SSD. I don't need other features of Magician, like drive health. I already use HD Sentinel for
that. Their performance benchmarks is highly skewed. I've benchmarked
their Rapid driver: it made no difference, so I didn't see the need for stacking a driver in the I/O chain that was ineffective. I don't use whole-disk encryption, and Magician just employs Bitlocker. Although I
have the chip (actually BIOS firmware) on the mobo to support Bitlocker,
I see no reason to risk access to my drive. I don't do app design and
have code stored on my computer. Any sensitive files are secured in an encrypted container (mounted as a drive) using Truecrypt and a very long non-word password. Bitlocker is overkill.
Magician is primarily a partition manager that makes it easy for users
to change the amount of unpartitioned space on their drives. And only
if you want more than the factory default hidden reserve space already
on the SSD. To make Magician more attractive, they added glitz to it
that, to me, is superfluous. It's mostly for users that don't
understand there is reserve hidden space in the SSD for
overprovisioning, and overprovisioning can be enlarged to increased
longevity of an SSD by simply increasing the amount of unallocated space
on a drive.
The inherent overprovisioning on my 1 TB NVM2 m.2 SSD is 7% which I
raised to 27% by upping the unallocated space to 190 GB of the 954 GB
usable space on the SSD. I'd rather have a longer lived SSD than more
space. I get drives who sizes far outstrip their expected consumption
over an 8-year lifecycle for my builds. After about 4 years, my 1 TB
SSD with Windows, apps, and some data (most is stored on other drives) consumes only 16% of the C: partition. Lots of space left mostly
because I don't dump the majority of my data files in the C: partition,
or in any partition on my NVMe SSD.
You don't need Magician to change the user-configured overprovisioning
space on your SSD, but it is a simple partition manager to achieve that
goal. You don't need the other glitz that got added to Magician. Alas,
most consumers want all the space they can get even if they never use
it, so when they see unallocated space, they'll add it to a partition to
make it larger, but at the cost of removing the more valuable overprovisioning space that keeps their SSDs faster over time, and gives
them more time before catastrophic failure (SSDs are self-destructive).
VanguardLH wrote:might start earlier down the ladder after it got the latest. Or maybe it would surprise me with some other roundelay of happenings.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been updating. >>> Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is
undeniably comical, but I can't figure rhyme or reason for it. When it
loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available, and then
gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I
wouldn't know how; even after I'd stopped laughing.
Ed
When I go to:
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/us/consumer-storage/magician/
It announces 8.1 is the current version. However, the web page is
designed for children, like I'm visiting some site about My Little Pony.
They need to keep it professional, not inanely amateurish. The
"Download Files" hyperlink goes to:
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/us/consumer-storage/support/tools/
I don't recall ever letting Magician automatically update. When it
reports an update, I go to the update page to download the latest
version. I keep each version download to allow an escape route should
the latest version have critical or usability bugs. Well, actually
another route would be to restore from image backups, but since I use
Magician as a manual tool to alter the amount of unpartitioned space on
a drive, it could be a while before I hit a bug, and restoring from an
image backup would result in losing a lot of other valuable stuff
between when I installed the new version to when a bug was found. So,
quite often I do an uninstall, do the remnant file and registry cleanup,
and install an old version to fallback to a non-buggy version.
Since the only "magic" this tool provides is that of a partition manager
the assists in changing the amount of unpartitioned space in a drive,
and if a version is functional, there's little need to update a working
version of it. Every SSD already has a preset amount of unallocatable
space used for overprovisioning. Normally that is around 7-10% of the
drive's space, and space you can never access regardless of which
partition manager you use. It is hidden and reserved space used for
overprovisioning the SSD which help to promote its longevity. Server
SSDs usually have more overprovisioning space, like 20%, and is what I
set mine on my home desktop. By increasing the unpartitioned space on a
drive, overprovisioning can use that added but unallocated space.
https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/overprovisioning-SSD-overprovisioning
https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/overprovisioning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15wN8JC2L4 (ad starts at 3:50)
If you knew what you were doing, any partition manager will let you
change the amount of unallocated space of your SSD. I don't need other
features of Magician, like drive health. I already use HD Sentinel for
that. Their performance benchmarks is highly skewed. I've benchmarked
their Rapid driver: it made no difference, so I didn't see the need for
stacking a driver in the I/O chain that was ineffective. I don't use
whole-disk encryption, and Magician just employs Bitlocker. Although I
have the chip (actually BIOS firmware) on the mobo to support Bitlocker,
I see no reason to risk access to my drive. I don't do app design and
have code stored on my computer. Any sensitive files are secured in an
encrypted container (mounted as a drive) using Truecrypt and a very long
non-word password. Bitlocker is overkill.
Magician is primarily a partition manager that makes it easy for users
to change the amount of unpartitioned space on their drives. And only
if you want more than the factory default hidden reserve space already
on the SSD. To make Magician more attractive, they added glitz to it
that, to me, is superfluous. It's mostly for users that don't
understand there is reserve hidden space in the SSD for
overprovisioning, and overprovisioning can be enlarged to increased
longevity of an SSD by simply increasing the amount of unallocated space
on a drive.
The inherent overprovisioning on my 1 TB NVM2 m.2 SSD is 7% which I
raised to 27% by upping the unallocated space to 190 GB of the 954 GB
usable space on the SSD. I'd rather have a longer lived SSD than more
space. I get drives who sizes far outstrip their expected consumption
over an 8-year lifecycle for my builds. After about 4 years, my 1 TB
SSD with Windows, apps, and some data (most is stored on other drives)
consumes only 16% of the C: partition. Lots of space left mostly
because I don't dump the majority of my data files in the C: partition,
or in any partition on my NVMe SSD.
You don't need Magician to change the user-configured overprovisioning
space on your SSD, but it is a simple partition manager to achieve that
goal. You don't need the other glitz that got added to Magician. Alas, >> most consumers want all the space they can get even if they never use
it, so when they see unallocated space, they'll add it to a partition to
make it larger, but at the cost of removing the more valuable
overprovisioning space that keeps their SSDs faster over time, and gives
them more time before catastrophic failure (SSDs are self-destructive).
Everybody seems to have concluded that I auto-updated. I didn't. I never auto-update on anything at all.
What I do (Firefox is a typical example) is "check for updates and let me know".
And that's what I did with Samsung Magician. I loaded it, got the message update available, installed it.
I loaded it again, update available, etc. etc. etc.
I was fully aware of what was happening, and I could have just stepped in and got the latest version from their website. But I was so amused by it all, and wondered how such a high-profile name could have such dumb programmers. I wanted to see if it
Ed
Everybody seems to have concluded that I auto-updated. I didn't. I
never auto-update on anything at all. What I do (Firefox is a typical example) is "check for updates and let me know". And that's what I
did with Samsung Magician. I loaded it, got the message update
available, installed it. I loaded it again, update available, etc.
etc. etc.
I was fully aware of what was happening, and I could have just
stepped in and got the latest version from their website. But I was
so amused by it all, and wondered how such a high-profile name could
have such dumb programmers. I wanted to see if it might start earlier
down the ladder after it got the latest. Or maybe it would surprise
me with some other roundelay of happenings.
Hey Paul, don't go scaring us with AI.
Hey Paul, don't go scaring us with AI. The world's got enough doom-merchants frightening us with that forecast.
You have an insight into these boxes of tricks that might save us all. You could be like John Connor in the Terminator movies, and lead us against the machines.
This fear of AI is generations older than this recent one. Ever read scifi books from the 1950s? Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Philip K Dick, H P Lovecraft? I particularly love Asimov's "I Robot".
Ed
Hello.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> schrieb
Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Why not directly download the most recent version and install it?
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/support/tools/
On 5/15/24 07:18 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 5/15/2024 6:35 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:It doesn't surprise me. Over the years I've seen others do this. They
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been
updating.
Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is
undeniably comical, but I can't figure rhyme or reason for it. When
it loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available, and
then gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I
wouldn't know how; even after I'd stopped laughing.
  I use CrystalDiskInfo, which seems to work well. I once had trouble
with Samsung. I don't remember what. Either way I'd never allow
anything to auto-update. There's too much risk of bugs. And these
days there are risks of getting things you don't want. (I'm looking
at you, Copilot.)
need to step up in stages, as each stage makes necessary (or they
think so) changes to the data structure of their settings.
But that doesn't fly well with Newyana2's comment about just
downloading the most current.
I use https://patchmypc.com/home-updater. It follows a lot of
software and when run gives you a list of apps that need updating. It
might take a day or so for some apps to hit their list, but quick enough.   I use it to get the list but don't click the update apps button, but do the work myself for the most part. Paranoid maybe?  However, some small programs I do auto update.  Not sure what my
criteria is but I do.
The scariest one for me, is not the one that the robot dog
with the gun uses.
It's the AI they released yesterday, which uses voice
communication and*it tells Dad Jokes*.
Now, THAT would be unnerving for sure.
It's one thing for the robot dog to shoot people,
but PLEASE don't let it tell Dad Jokes. That would
be a form of torture. Imagine having to make up
chatter to keep an AI happy.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On 5/15/2024 8:57 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:Everybody seems to have concluded that I auto-updated. I didn't. I
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been
updating.
Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
This is novel, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is
undeniably comical, but I can't figure rhyme or reason for it. When it >>>>> loads it checks for updates, advises that one is available, and then >>>>> gets it when you click yes.
If you asked me to program an updating routine that does the same, I >>>>> wouldn't know how; even after I'd stopped laughing.
Ed
When I go to:
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/us/consumer-storage/magician/
It announces 8.1 is the current version. However, the web page is
designed for children, like I'm visiting some site about My Little
Pony.
They need to keep it professional, not inanely amateurish. The
"Download Files" hyperlink goes to:
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/us/consumer-storage/support/tools/
I don't recall ever letting Magician automatically update. When it
reports an update, I go to the update page to download the latest
version. I keep each version download to allow an escape route should >>>> the latest version have critical or usability bugs. Well, actually
another route would be to restore from image backups, but since I use
Magician as a manual tool to alter the amount of unpartitioned space on >>>> a drive, it could be a while before I hit a bug, and restoring from an >>>> image backup would result in losing a lot of other valuable stuff
between when I installed the new version to when a bug was found. So, >>>> quite often I do an uninstall, do the remnant file and registry
cleanup,
and install an old version to fallback to a non-buggy version.
Since the only "magic" this tool provides is that of a partition
manager
the assists in changing the amount of unpartitioned space in a drive,
and if a version is functional, there's little need to update a working >>>> version of it. Every SSD already has a preset amount of unallocatable >>>> space used for overprovisioning. Normally that is around 7-10% of the >>>> drive's space, and space you can never access regardless of which
partition manager you use. It is hidden and reserved space used for
overprovisioning the SSD which help to promote its longevity. Server >>>> SSDs usually have more overprovisioning space, like 20%, and is what I >>>> set mine on my home desktop. By increasing the unpartitioned space
on a
drive, overprovisioning can use that added but unallocated space.
https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/overprovisioning-SSD-overprovisioning
https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/overprovisioning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15wN8JC2L4 (ad starts at 3:50)
If you knew what you were doing, any partition manager will let you
change the amount of unallocated space of your SSD. I don't need other >>>> features of Magician, like drive health. I already use HD Sentinel for >>>> that. Their performance benchmarks is highly skewed. I've benchmarked >>>> their Rapid driver: it made no difference, so I didn't see the need for >>>> stacking a driver in the I/O chain that was ineffective. I don't use >>>> whole-disk encryption, and Magician just employs Bitlocker. Although I >>>> have the chip (actually BIOS firmware) on the mobo to support
Bitlocker,
I see no reason to risk access to my drive. I don't do app design and >>>> have code stored on my computer. Any sensitive files are secured in an >>>> encrypted container (mounted as a drive) using Truecrypt and a very
long
non-word password. Bitlocker is overkill.
Magician is primarily a partition manager that makes it easy for users >>>> to change the amount of unpartitioned space on their drives. And only >>>> if you want more than the factory default hidden reserve space already >>>> on the SSD. To make Magician more attractive, they added glitz to it >>>> that, to me, is superfluous. It's mostly for users that don't
understand there is reserve hidden space in the SSD for
overprovisioning, and overprovisioning can be enlarged to increased
longevity of an SSD by simply increasing the amount of unallocated
space
on a drive.
The inherent overprovisioning on my 1 TB NVM2 m.2 SSD is 7% which I
raised to 27% by upping the unallocated space to 190 GB of the 954 GB
usable space on the SSD. I'd rather have a longer lived SSD than more >>>> space. I get drives who sizes far outstrip their expected consumption >>>> over an 8-year lifecycle for my builds. After about 4 years, my 1 TB >>>> SSD with Windows, apps, and some data (most is stored on other drives) >>>> consumes only 16% of the C: partition. Lots of space left mostly
because I don't dump the majority of my data files in the C: partition, >>>> or in any partition on my NVMe SSD.
You don't need Magician to change the user-configured overprovisioning >>>> space on your SSD, but it is a simple partition manager to achieve that >>>> goal. You don't need the other glitz that got added to Magician.
Alas,
most consumers want all the space they can get even if they never use
it, so when they see unallocated space, they'll add it to a
partition to
make it larger, but at the cost of removing the more valuable
overprovisioning space that keeps their SSDs faster over time, and
gives
them more time before catastrophic failure (SSDs are self-destructive). >>>
never auto-update on anything at all.
What I do (Firefox is a typical example) is "check for updates and
let me know".
And that's what I did with Samsung Magician. I loaded it, got the
message update available, installed it.
I loaded it again, update available, etc. etc. etc.
I was fully aware of what was happening, and I could have just
stepped in and got the latest version from their website. But I was
so amused by it all, and wondered how such a high-profile name could
have such dumb programmers. I wanted to see if it might start earlier
down the ladder after it got the latest. Or maybe it would surprise
me with some other roundelay of happenings.
Ed
Maybe that's why the program is called "Magician"
rather than "Technician" ? It was using
Update Voodoo for the job.
And yes, I have seen updaters on other programs,
which managed to oscillate between two releases.
Quite unnerving to watch.
Well, when the AI programs are fully deployed,
this will never happen again. Right ? If the AI
finds that 8.1 is the last version of software,
it will simply write release 8.2 itself.
   Paul
Hey Paul, don't go scaring us with AI. The world's got enough
doom-merchants frightening us with that forecast.
You have an insight into these boxes of tricks that might save us all.
You could be like John Connor in the Terminator movies, and lead us
against the machines.
This fear of AI is generations older than this recent one. Ever read
scifi books from the 1950s? Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Philip K Dick, H
P Lovecraft? I particularly love Asimov's "I Robot".
Ed
I use CrystalDiskInfo
Everybody seems to have concluded that I auto-updated.
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been updating. Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5. ...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
Ed Cryer laid this down on his screen :
I have an old Win10 system, unused for some time, which I've been
updating.
Samsung Magician needed updating. It went from 7.0 to 7.1.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.1 to 7.3.
When I launched that, it needed updating. It went from 7.3 to 7.5.
...................................................
It eventually reached 8.1; no more updates available.
the same with firefox and thunderbird, when I turn on my old computers :-)
winget is a Microsoft app on Windows 10 and 11. It might have been in
8.1, 7, Vista and XP but I didn't use it in those OS.
On 5/15/24 04:18, Newyana2 wrote:
I use CrystalDiskInfo
I use it on customers with non-samsung drives.
I like its look and feel. Easy for a non-techie
to understand too.
On 5/15/2024 2:13 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Hey Paul, don't go scaring us with AI. The world's got enough doom-merchants frightening us with that forecast.
You have an insight into these boxes of tricks that might save us all. You could be like John Connor in the Terminator movies, and lead us against the machines.
This fear of AI is generations older than this recent one. Ever read scifi books from the 1950s? Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Philip K Dick, H P Lovecraft? I particularly love Asimov's "I Robot".
Ed
The scariest one for me, is not the one that the robot dog
with the gun uses.
It's the AI they released yesterday, which uses voice
communication and *it tells Dad Jokes*.
Now, THAT would be unnerving for sure.
It's one thing for the robot dog to shoot people,
but PLEASE don't let it tell Dad Jokes. That would
be a form of torture. Imagine having to make up
chatter to keep an AI happy.
Paul
If Firefox had done a step-by-step update, it would have gone through about 30 gradations; it was that far out of date.
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