• Host Process for Windows Services

    From Bill Bradshaw@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 8 09:53:27 2024
    Several days ago I brought up all the data usage I was receiving through
    this service. A few days ago it was over 800 megs. Today it is over 40
    megs. I have finally traced it to the Microsoft cache server and Microsoft Edge. I need get rid of or stop MS Edge. Of course if I do is it still
    going to send this data to me. Is there away to block this cache server?

    <Bill>

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Bill Bradshaw on Wed May 8 16:32:04 2024
    Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:

    Several days ago I brought up all the data usage I was receiving
    through this service. A few days ago it was over 800 megs. Today it
    is over 40 megs. I have finally traced it to the Microsoft cache
    server and Microsoft Edge. I need get rid of or stop MS Edge. Of
    course if I do is it still going to send this data to me. Is there
    away to block this cache server?

    Some possible candidate causes.


    _Windows distributed updates (aka delivery optimization)_

    Are you letting Microsoft use your computer(s) to particpate in a shared
    update process?

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-update-delivery-optimization-and-privacy-bf86a244-8f26-a3c7-a137-a43bfbe688e8

    I have no desire to get any updates from anywhere other than from the
    product's download site. I don't even want my own intranet hosts to be
    storing updates to delivery to my other intranet hosts. I turned off
    that "feature" the moment I read or heard about it.


    _Edge auto-update_

    Most web browsers have an auto-update functions. While I use Firefox as
    my primary web browser, even it will auto-update unless I disable its
    Mozilla Maintenance service; however, I let Mozilla update Firefox in
    the background. Edge I do, too, but wouldn't feel much impacted if I
    disabled Edge auto-update.

    https://winaero.com/how-to-disable-updates-in-microsoft-edge/


    _Windows UWP apps auto-update_

    Are you letting Windows auto-update the UWP apps? See:

    https://winaero.com/prevent-windows-10-from-downloading-app-updates-automatically/

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  • From dyno dan@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Thu May 9 10:43:20 2024
    On Wed, 8 May 2024 16:32:04 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Are you letting Windows auto-update the UWP apps? See:

    https://winaero.com/prevent-windows-10-from-downloading-app-updates-automatically/


    Great info. Thanks.





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  • From Bill Bradshaw@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Thu May 9 08:46:04 2024
    VanguardLH wrote:
    Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:

    Several days ago I brought up all the data usage I was receiving
    through this service. A few days ago it was over 800 megs. Today it
    is over 40 megs. I have finally traced it to the Microsoft cache
    server and Microsoft Edge. I need get rid of or stop MS Edge. Of
    course if I do is it still going to send this data to me. Is there
    away to block this cache server?

    Some possible candidate causes.


    _Windows distributed updates (aka delivery optimization)_

    Are you letting Microsoft use your computer(s) to particpate in a
    shared update process?

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-update-delivery-optimization-and-privacy-bf86a244-8f26-a3c7-a137-a43bfbe688e8

    I have no desire to get any updates from anywhere other than from the product's download site. I don't even want my own intranet hosts to
    be storing updates to delivery to my other intranet hosts. I turned
    off that "feature" the moment I read or heard about it.


    _Edge auto-update_

    Most web browsers have an auto-update functions. While I use Firefox
    as my primary web browser, even it will auto-update unless I disable
    its Mozilla Maintenance service; however, I let Mozilla update
    Firefox in the background. Edge I do, too, but wouldn't feel much
    impacted if I disabled Edge auto-update.

    https://winaero.com/how-to-disable-updates-in-microsoft-edge/


    _Windows UWP apps auto-update_

    Are you letting Windows auto-update the UWP apps? See:

    https://winaero.com/prevent-windows-10-from-downloading-app-updates-automatically/

    Everything was already set this way. I also have version updates disabled because I use cumulative.

    Under settings "Activity Monitor" Microsoft cache server has already
    uploaded over 400 megs to me this month. What does yours show?

    <Bill>

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Bill Bradshaw on Thu May 9 16:09:46 2024
    Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:

    VanguardLH wrote:
    Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:

    Several days ago I brought up all the data usage I was receiving
    through this service. A few days ago it was over 800 megs. Today it
    is over 40 megs. I have finally traced it to the Microsoft cache
    server and Microsoft Edge. I need get rid of or stop MS Edge. Of
    course if I do is it still going to send this data to me. Is there
    away to block this cache server?

    Some possible candidate causes.


    _Windows distributed updates (aka delivery optimization)_

    Are you letting Microsoft use your computer(s) to particpate in a
    shared update process?

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-update-delivery-optimization-and-privacy-bf86a244-8f26-a3c7-a137-a43bfbe688e8

    I have no desire to get any updates from anywhere other than from the
    product's download site. I don't even want my own intranet hosts to
    be storing updates to delivery to my other intranet hosts. I turned
    off that "feature" the moment I read or heard about it.


    _Edge auto-update_

    Most web browsers have an auto-update functions. While I use Firefox
    as my primary web browser, even it will auto-update unless I disable
    its Mozilla Maintenance service; however, I let Mozilla update
    Firefox in the background. Edge I do, too, but wouldn't feel much
    impacted if I disabled Edge auto-update.

    https://winaero.com/how-to-disable-updates-in-microsoft-edge/


    _Windows UWP apps auto-update_

    Are you letting Windows auto-update the UWP apps? See:

    https://winaero.com/prevent-windows-10-from-downloading-app-updates-automatically/

    Everything was already set this way. I also have version updates disabled because I use cumulative.

    Under settings "Activity Monitor" Microsoft cache server has already
    uploaded over 400 megs to me this month. What does yours show?

    <Bill>

    283 MB since 5/1/24.

    No idea what is that content. I haven't bothered to track to where I've
    web visited to then track where all those sites host their content.

    Seems just another method employed by CDNs (Content Delivery Networks)
    where a site deposits some of their content rather than take the full
    brunt of bandwidth by hosting it themself. Like a "company jet" that
    isn't owned by the company, but leased with several companies leasing
    the same jet. Cheaper to have a pro service deliver the content than
    host it yourself. Microsoft hosts a lot of content at Akamai.

    Also, while I disable Windows updates (and the others I mentioned), I periodically reenable them. I prepare with an image backup, enable
    updates, updates, and disable updates again. So, if the cached content
    has to do with updates, yep, I got some this month. In fact, when WU is disabled, there are some features in Windows that become inaccessible,
    like looking at update history or using the MS Store app. Within the
    past few days, I had to reenable WU to use the MS Store app looking for
    an app to address someone else's concern. Maybe I got some data pushed
    to my host during that brief window of opportunity.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/do/waas-microsoft-connected-cache

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/do/mcc-isp-faq

    From the 2nd article, seems the MS cache is nothing more than yet
    another cache your own ISP may use. Most ISP use caches to reduce their bandwidth load. Instead of having to handle the bandwidth for every
    request from all their customers going to the same sites, the ISP caches
    that content, so you get their cached content. Whether it's a site
    using a CDN to offload bandwidth to a 3rd party or your ISP doing much
    the same, the site or your ISP is trying to reduce the load on their
    limited resources.

    Even your own computer is caching DNS requests, and so is your ISP, and
    to whomever you choose to get DNS services. Faster to get from a cache
    then to connect to the nameserver to do the lookup. Caching is used in
    lots of ways. Your own web browser uses caching.

    To me, 283 MB is puny. Even your sub-GB seems trivial. But you may
    have concerns other than just storage space although what got recorded
    as downloaded doesn't mean it all has been retained.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Bill Bradshaw on Fri May 10 12:45:17 2024
    Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
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    Everything was already set this way. I also have version updates disabled because I use cumulative.

    Under settings "Activity Monitor" Microsoft cache server has already
    uploaded over 400 megs to me this month. What does yours show?

    You probably mean (you) *down*loaded, because Microsoft cache server
    doesn't upload to you, but you download from it (pull, not push), hence
    the stats say "From Microsoft cache server".

    Anyway, my wife's Windows 10 system says "0.00% (N/A)". Same on my
    Windows 11 system. These are the only two systems we have.

    Somewhat noteable: The Windows 10 system has 112MB "Uploaded to PCs on
    your local network" and the Windows 11 system has 100MB "From PCs on
    your local network", so apparently Windows 10 and 11 share some of their components.

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