Hi All,
I have a 24" 1920x1440 monitors.
Problem: a lot of my customers have 3440x1440 ultra wides.
AnyDesk is working on, but does not have a reasonable
method of scrolling the screen, so I am crammed into a
much smaller pixel space view these screen. I literally
take a magnifying glass up to my monitor. And it is
still blurry. Sometimes I can copy and paste to
a text editor on my side to read things.
I do not have the space on my desk for an ultra wide or
the 1300 U$D to get one with better resolution than my
customers.
I can across this UHD monitor that is reasonably priced
and had a better resolution that my customers:
3840x2160
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/32-uj590-uhd-monitor-lu32j590uqnxza/
But it occurs to me that even if I am no longer losing
pixels in translation, that I still might have my face
planted in the monitor.
Your thoughts?
-T
On 4/27/2024 9:41 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
I have a 24" 1920x1440 monitors.
Problem: a lot of my customers have 3440x1440 ultra wides.
AnyDesk is working on, but does not have a reasonable
method of scrolling the screen, so I am crammed into a
much smaller pixel space view these screen. I literally
take a magnifying glass up to my monitor. And it is
still blurry. Sometimes I can copy and paste to
a text editor on my side to read things.
I do not have the space on my desk for an ultra wide or
the 1300 U$D to get one with better resolution than my
customers.
I can across this UHD monitor that is reasonably priced
and had a better resolution that my customers:
3840x2160
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/32-uj590-uhd-monitor-lu32j590uqnxza/
But it occurs to me that even if I am no longer losing
pixels in translation, that I still might have my face
planted in the monitor.
Your thoughts?
-T
Need to check your video card, for the output standards it meets.
I have at least two machines that can do basic 4KP60 with 8 bit color.
But I can't go any higher than that.
Display Port HDMI Version
1.2 2.0x1, 1.4x1
DisplayPort version 1.2 was introduced on 7 January 2010.[11] The most significant improvement of this version is the doubling of the data rate to 17.28 Gbit/s in High Bit Rate 2 (HBR2) mode, which allows increased resolutions,
higher refresh rates, and greater color depth,
such as 3840 × 2160 at 60 Hz 10 bpc RGB <=== this monitor
Display Type Considering there are like, 8 different kinds of IPS
and some of the IPS don't even seem like IPS, maybe
VA this isn't so bad.
Brightness
270cd/m2 Unlikely to get to see this in person. This is average.
If it was brighter, you'd just turn it down
Color Support 10 bit color option, will raise the HDMI cable bitrate a bit.
1.07B B
*******
It's 16:9
It's pretty big.
For ergonomic, stand must be set at "zero". Bottom edge of monitor
rests on table. Top edge meets eyes.
It's 32" diagonal. Will leave little room for a second monitor, unless
the second monitor is pushed off to the side. May require adding a support
to the side of the table for the second monitor.
Your customers are 22:9 or thereabouts. Wide certainly, but not as tall. Could still be ergonomic. Maybe on their table, there is no room for
a second monitor (for a second computer).
You should be able to set your local OS for HiDPI and make the decorations outside the remote session, readable. But whatever the customer screen
looks like, you'll be squinting just like your customer :-)
And buying a 5K monitor would be unlikely to change the issues at all.
Buying an 85" device, you'd have to move that back quite a bit,
and you'd get a kink in your neck and neck pain before you know it.
But given the price and all things considered, I think it's worth a shot. It's 32", and you might have been tempted to go 44" to 48". And you
didn't do that. But do a mockup of the monitor using white card stock,
and see how it "fits your lifestyle" :-) I keep a bit of white card
here, and could staple enough bits together to make a monitor.
That's a lot of pixels to push around, and your CPU and video card
may make a difference to your experience with this. Your remote session bandwidth is now going to go up, seeing as you're working at scale.
Paul
Hi All,
I have a 24" 1920x1440 monitors.
Problem: a lot of my customers have 3440x1440 ultra wides.
AnyDesk is working on, but does not have a reasonable
method of scrolling the screen, so I am crammed into a
much smaller pixel space view these screen. I literally
take a magnifying glass up to my monitor. And it is
still blurry. Sometimes I can copy and paste to
a text editor on my side to read things.
I do not have the space on my desk for an ultra wide or
the 1300 U$D to get one with better resolution than my
customers.
I can across this UHD monitor that is reasonably priced
and had a better resolution that my customers:
3840x2160
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/32-uj590-uhd-monitor-lu32j590uqnxza/
But it occurs to me that even if I am no longer losing
pixels in translation, that I still might have my face
planted in the monitor.
Your thoughts?
On 4/27/24 23:48, Paul wrote:
On 4/27/2024 9:41 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
I have a 24" 1920x1440 monitors.
Problem: a lot of my customers have 3440x1440 ultra wides.
AnyDesk is working on, but does not have a reasonable
method of scrolling the screen, so I am crammed into a
much smaller pixel space view these screen. I literally
take a magnifying glass up to my monitor. And it is
still blurry. Sometimes I can copy and paste to
a text editor on my side to read things.
I do not have the space on my desk for an ultra wide or
the 1300 U$D to get one with better resolution than my
customers.
I can across this UHD monitor that is reasonably priced
and had a better resolution that my customers:
3840x2160
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/32-uj590-uhd-monitor-lu32j590uqnxza/
But it occurs to me that even if I am no longer losing
pixels in translation, that I still might have my face
planted in the monitor.
Your thoughts?
-T
Need to check your video card, for the output standards it meets.
I have at least two machines that can do basic 4KP60 with 8 bit color.
But I can't go any higher than that.
Display Port HDMI Version
1.2 2.0x1, 1.4x1
DisplayPort version 1.2 was introduced on 7 January 2010.[11] The most
significant improvement of this version is the doubling of the data rate to >> 17.28 Gbit/s in High Bit Rate 2 (HBR2) mode, which allows increased resolutions,
higher refresh rates, and greater color depth,
such as 3840 × 2160 at 60 Hz 10 bpc RGB <=== this monitor >>
Display Type Considering there are like, 8 different kinds of IPS
and some of the IPS don't even seem like IPS, maybe
VA this isn't so bad.
Brightness
270cd/m2 Unlikely to get to see this in person. This is average.
If it was brighter, you'd just turn it down >>
Color Support 10 bit color option, will raise the HDMI cable bitrate a bit.
1.07B B
*******
It's 16:9
It's pretty big.
For ergonomic, stand must be set at "zero". Bottom edge of monitor
rests on table. Top edge meets eyes.
It's 32" diagonal. Will leave little room for a second monitor, unless
the second monitor is pushed off to the side. May require adding a support >> to the side of the table for the second monitor.
Your customers are 22:9 or thereabouts. Wide certainly, but not as tall.
Could still be ergonomic. Maybe on their table, there is no room for
a second monitor (for a second computer).
You should be able to set your local OS for HiDPI and make the decorations >> outside the remote session, readable. But whatever the customer screen
looks like, you'll be squinting just like your customer :-)
And buying a 5K monitor would be unlikely to change the issues at all.
Buying an 85" device, you'd have to move that back quite a bit,
and you'd get a kink in your neck and neck pain before you know it.
But given the price and all things considered, I think it's worth a shot.
It's 32", and you might have been tempted to go 44" to 48". And you
didn't do that. But do a mockup of the monitor using white card stock,
and see how it "fits your lifestyle" :-) I keep a bit of white card
here, and could staple enough bits together to make a monitor.
That's a lot of pixels to push around, and your CPU and video card
may make a difference to your experience with this. Your remote session
bandwidth is now going to go up, seeing as you're working at scale.
Paul
I am currently using d-port.
My GP on processor: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/97476/intel-xeon-processor-e31225-v6-8m-cache-3-30-ghz/specifications.html
GPU Name: Intel® HD Graphics P630
Graphics Base Frequency: 350 MHz
Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency: 1.15 GHz
Graphics Video Max Memory: 64 GB
Graphics Output: eDP/DP/HDMI/DVI
4K Support: Yes, at 60Hz
Max Resolution (HDMI): 4096x2160@24Hz
Max Resolution (DP): 4096x2304@60Hz
On 4/28/2024 4:30 AM, T wrote:
On 4/27/24 23:48, Paul wrote:
On 4/27/2024 9:41 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
I have a 24" 1920x1440 monitors.
Problem: a lot of my customers have 3440x1440 ultra wides.
AnyDesk is working on, but does not have a reasonable
method of scrolling the screen, so I am crammed into a
much smaller pixel space view these screen. I literally
take a magnifying glass up to my monitor. And it is
still blurry. Sometimes I can copy and paste to
a text editor on my side to read things.
I do not have the space on my desk for an ultra wide or
the 1300 U$D to get one with better resolution than my
customers.
I can across this UHD monitor that is reasonably priced
and had a better resolution that my customers:
3840x2160
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/32-uj590-uhd-monitor-lu32j590uqnxza/
But it occurs to me that even if I am no longer losing
pixels in translation, that I still might have my face
planted in the monitor.
Your thoughts?
-T
Need to check your video card, for the output standards it meets.
I have at least two machines that can do basic 4KP60 with 8 bit color.
But I can't go any higher than that.
Display Port HDMI Version
1.2 2.0x1, 1.4x1
DisplayPort version 1.2 was introduced on 7 January 2010.[11] The most
significant improvement of this version is the doubling of the data rate to >>> 17.28 Gbit/s in High Bit Rate 2 (HBR2) mode, which allows increased resolutions,
higher refresh rates, and greater color depth,
such as 3840 × 2160 at 60 Hz 10 bpc RGB <=== this monitor
Display Type Considering there are like, 8 different kinds of IPS
and some of the IPS don't even seem like IPS, maybe
VA this isn't so bad.
Brightness
270cd/m2 Unlikely to get to see this in person. This is average.
If it was brighter, you'd just turn it down
Color Support 10 bit color option, will raise the HDMI cable bitrate a bit.
1.07B B
*******
It's 16:9
It's pretty big.
For ergonomic, stand must be set at "zero". Bottom edge of monitor
rests on table. Top edge meets eyes.
It's 32" diagonal. Will leave little room for a second monitor, unless
the second monitor is pushed off to the side. May require adding a support >>> to the side of the table for the second monitor.
Your customers are 22:9 or thereabouts. Wide certainly, but not as tall. >>> Could still be ergonomic. Maybe on their table, there is no room for
a second monitor (for a second computer).
You should be able to set your local OS for HiDPI and make the decorations >>> outside the remote session, readable. But whatever the customer screen
looks like, you'll be squinting just like your customer :-)
And buying a 5K monitor would be unlikely to change the issues at all.
Buying an 85" device, you'd have to move that back quite a bit,
and you'd get a kink in your neck and neck pain before you know it.
But given the price and all things considered, I think it's worth a shot. >>> It's 32", and you might have been tempted to go 44" to 48". And you
didn't do that. But do a mockup of the monitor using white card stock,
and see how it "fits your lifestyle" :-) I keep a bit of white card
here, and could staple enough bits together to make a monitor.
That's a lot of pixels to push around, and your CPU and video card
may make a difference to your experience with this. Your remote session
bandwidth is now going to go up, seeing as you're working at scale.
Paul
I am currently using d-port.
My GP on processor:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/97476/intel-xeon-processor-e31225-v6-8m-cache-3-30-ghz/specifications.html
GPU Name: Intel® HD Graphics P630
Graphics Base Frequency: 350 MHz
Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency: 1.15 GHz
Graphics Video Max Memory: 64 GB
Graphics Output: eDP/DP/HDMI/DVI
4K Support: Yes, at 60Hz
Max Resolution (HDMI): 4096x2160@24Hz
Max Resolution (DP): 4096x2304@60Hz
That means you'll be driving it off the DP port. While you can
play with your Intel HDMI port, don't be surprised at the listed
refresh rate it shows. Notice that "clever" hardware makers do not
list HDMI <version> compliance as a thing, instead choosing to
sling useless material such as res/refresh spec instead, leaving
it to the customer to noodle out what they bought. Apparently, the motherboard manufacturers are quite capable of "over-claiming"
what the port can run (by perhaps declaring an HDMI 1.4 port to be HDMI 2.0 port).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
"HDMI 1.4 was released on June 5, 2009, and first came to market after Q2 of 2009.
[63][101][102] Retaining the bandwidth of the previous version, HDMI 1.4 defined
standardized timings to use for
Uh oh.
/
4096 × 2160 at 24 Hz /
3840 × 2160 at 24, 25, and 30 Hz,
1920 × 1080 at 120 Hz with CTA-861 timings.[65]: §6.3.2
It also added... [things we don't care about right now]
HDMI 1.4a was released on March 4, 2010, and added two mandatory 3D formats... [3D capable screen only]
HDMI 1.4b containing only minor clarifications to the 1.4a document.
HDMI 2.0, referred to by some manufacturers as HDMI UHD, was released on September 4, 2013.[113]
HDMI 2.0 increases the maximum bandwidth to 18.0 Gbit/s.
HDMI 2.0 uses TMDS encoding for video transmission like previous versions,
giving it a maximum video bandwidth of 14.4 Gbit/s.
This enables HDMI 2.0 to carry 4K video at 60 Hz with 24 bit/px color depth. <=== "Um, yeah, maybe next year"
"
So yes, you're fine. Box contains an HDMI cable. Be sure to pick
up a DP cable in advance, of sufficient length for the job. Test
that everything works with the DP (DP is your first test case),
then piss around and act disappointed with the HDMI choice of cable :-)
When these questions come up, I'm usually counting on DisplayPort
to save someones ass. HDMI is usually a disappointment.
And I don't know if you noticed, but in the news a couple weeks ago,
someone got a 4K monitor with 140FPS, and an *RTX4090* could not
drive it at 140FPS. So even when you spend a couple grand, sometimes
you *still* don't have enough card for a monitor. The monitors
always seem to manage to embarrass the graphics adapters.
The current AMD AM5 processors, I think both ports there would
run your monitor. Similarly, I looked at an Intel 14900, and it lists
Max Resolution (HDMI) 4096 x 2160 @ 60Hz
Max Resolution (DP) 7680 x 4320 @ 60Hz
but the previous generation is not quite as nice.
The sad card on this machine is GTX 1050 Ti, with 1x DVI, 1x HDMI 2.0, 1x DisplayPort 1.4a.
I could manage your monitor on at least 8 bit color. I don't know if Windows likes 10 bit color.
Paul
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