• Re: Password manager - Bitwarden - free?

    From Wilf@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Mar 10 13:48:49 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 10/03/2024 at 13:29, Alan Browne wrote:

    Anyone using the free edition of Bitwarden?

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).


    I use Bitwarden on my Windows 11 laptop and on my iPhone. It works
    pretty well in my experience. I'm not aware of where Bitwarden stores
    my data, but it just works across platforms.

    --
    Wilf

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 09:29:03 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Anyone using the free edition of Bitwarden?

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Mar 10 14:46:58 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    In comp.mobile.android Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Anyone using the free edition of Bitwarden?

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    https://github.com/bitwarden/server
    https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Mar 10 11:08:24 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 2024-03-10 10:46, Theo wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    File based vault was an assumption on my side. A 'nice' thing about
    1Password was I could export a plain text version of the password vault,
    re-use on my side with a leaned out data set (just the basics) and new encryption scheme. This has limits (a lot!).
    https://github.com/bitwarden/server

    Well, that is a very tempting rabbit hole indeed ... other than I don't
    want to run into issues if I'm traveling and can't reach my server if
    something goes boink.

    IAC, if the bitwarden server does its thing reliably I'd rather stay on
    the main trunk.

    https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

    ... and deeper!

    Thanks.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Wilf on Sun Mar 10 11:07:23 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 2024-03-10 09:48, Wilf wrote:

    I use Bitwarden on my Windows 11 laptop and on my iPhone.   It works
    pretty well in my experience.   I'm not aware of where Bitwarden stores
    my data, but it just works across platforms.

    Thanks.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Big Al on Sun Mar 10 11:59:08 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 2024-03-10 11:33, Big Al wrote:
    On 3/10/24 09:29 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

    Anyone using the free edition of Bitwarden?

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices
    (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    I use it across every device, laptop, android phone, android tablet,
    Windows, Linux.  Firefox, Chrome, Edge.  Works pretty good.  I say that only in that a few sites don't play nice, but you can always click the
    icon in the toolbar, click either the name or password icon and it
    copies to the clipboard, a few clicks but at least you get into the site.

    On Linux and I would suppose Windows, there is a desktop program.  A lot larger and easier to run around.  I don't use it now, but did when I was setting things up.

    The Firefox add-on will export to csv or, json in English or encrypted.
    My wife uses it to with a different master password of course, but all I
    have to do is login with her id and I can see what she has for a site
    that maybe I don't.

    I set the timeout on my phone to 30 minutes or so, and then it locks.
    That way I can hit a lot of sites and not have the vault lock all the
    time on me.

    Nice summary - thanks.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Mar 10 11:33:32 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 3/10/24 09:29 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

    Anyone using the free edition of Bitwarden?

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be done? (as 1Password used to
    be before it went subscription-stupid).

    I use it across every device, laptop, android phone, android tablet, Windows, Linux. Firefox,
    Chrome, Edge. Works pretty good. I say that only in that a few sites don't play nice, but you can
    always click the icon in the toolbar, click either the name or password icon and it copies to the
    clipboard, a few clicks but at least you get into the site.

    On Linux and I would suppose Windows, there is a desktop program. A lot larger and easier to run
    around. I don't use it now, but did when I was setting things up.

    The Firefox add-on will export to csv or, json in English or encrypted. My wife uses it to with a
    different master password of course, but all I have to do is login with her id and I can see what
    she has for a site that maybe I don't.

    I set the timeout on my phone to 30 minutes or so, and then it locks. That way I can hit a lot of
    sites and not have the vault lock all the time on me.
    --
    Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon 6.0.4
    Al

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Mar 10 16:25:04 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Alan Browne wrote on Sun, 10 Mar 2024 09:29:03 -0400 :

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    I saw your answers for BitWarden where another suggestion is KeepassXC
    (the XC stands for cross compatible with macOS, Windows & Linux). https://keepassxc.org/

    Their documentation discusses most of the questions you might have. https://keepassxc.org/docs/

    For example, Cloud synchronization with Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, ownCloud, Nextcloud etc. https://keepassxc.org/docs/#faq-cloudsync

    And just as easy to use compatible free tools on iOS & Android with it. https://keepassxc.org/docs/#faq-platform-mobile

    For iOS, we suggest Strongbox and KeePassium to open KeepassXC databases. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/strongbox-password-safe/id897283731 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/keepassium-keepass-passwords/id1435127111

    And for Android, we recommend KeePassDX and KeePass2Android. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunzisoft.keepass.free https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android

    I apologize if BitWarden is the only consideration, as I understand this is
    not BitWarden, but it is a free respectable password management solution.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun Mar 10 17:04:24 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Andrew wrote on Sun, 10 Mar 2024 16:25:04 -0000 (UTC) :

    I apologize if BitWarden is the only consideration, as I understand this is not BitWarden, but it is a free respectable password management solution.

    Another option, which actually works quite well in its simplicity, is to
    put the plaintext password file into a TrueCrypt VeraCrypt LUKS container.

    VeraCrypt is a FOSS encryption program for Windows, Mac OSX and Linux. https://veracrypt.eu/en/

    Free third-party apps work with the database on both Android & iOS. https://veracrypt.eu/en/Android%20%26%20iOS%20Support.html

    Android:
    http://sovworks.com/eds/

    iOS:
    https://disk-decipher.app/ https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/crypto-disks-store-private/id889549308

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 19:13:41 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Alan Browne, 2024-03-10 16:08:

    On 2024-03-10 10:46, Theo wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based >> protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    File based vault was an assumption on my side. A 'nice' thing about

    If you need that, use KeePass:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android>


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 19:12:04 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Alan Browne, 2024-03-10 14:29:


    Anyone using the free edition of Bitwarden?

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    This is not possible, since Bitwarden needs a *server*. Just having some storage is not enough. However, all data is encrypted on the device,
    before it is send to the server, so using Bitwarden without your own
    server is not a problem.

    To run your own server - see <https://bitwarden.com/help/install-on-premise-linux/>.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Tue Mar 12 18:50:07 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Arno Welzel wrote on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 19:13:41 +0100 :

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based >>> protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    File based vault was an assumption on my side. A 'nice' thing about

    If you need that, use KeePass:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android>

    Already suggested, with much more detail covering all operating systems. https://narkive.com/9bTrxUQr.8 & https://narkive.com/9bTrxUQr.9

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Tue Mar 12 17:57:01 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 2024-03-12 14:13, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Alan Browne, 2024-03-10 16:08:

    On 2024-03-10 10:46, Theo wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be >>>> done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based >>> protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    File based vault was an assumption on my side. A 'nice' thing about

    If you need that, use KeePass:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android>

    That looks promising - as long as it works across the various OS' I
    mention in the OP.

    --
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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue Mar 12 21:57:40 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 17:04:24 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

    Interested in using for a broad range of devices
    (Mac/iOS/iPad/Windows/Android).

    A question: is the 'cloud' vault location user "provided" as an option?

    For example if I would prefer it be on Dropbox or iCloud - can that be
    done? (as 1Password used to be before it went subscription-stupid).

    I saw your answers for BitWarden where another suggestion is KeepassXC
    (the XC stands for cross compatible with macOS, Windows & Linux). https://keepassxc.org/

    Their documentation discusses most of the questions you might have. https://keepassxc.org/docs/

    For example, Cloud synchronization with Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, ownCloud, Nextcloud etc. https://keepassxc.org/docs/#faq-cloudsync

    And just as easy to use compatible free tools on iOS & Android with it. https://keepassxc.org/docs/#faq-platform-mobile

    For iOS, we suggest Strongbox and KeePassium to open KeepassXC databases. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/strongbox-password-safe/id897283731 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/keepassium-keepass-passwords/id1435127111

    And for Android, we recommend KeePassDX and KeePass2Android. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunzisoft.keepass.free https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android

    I apologize if BitWarden is the only consideration, as I understand this is not BitWarden, but it is a free respectable password management solution. Another option, which actually works quite well in its simplicity, is to
    put the plaintext password file into a TrueCrypt VeraCrypt LUKS container.

    VeraCrypt is a FOSS encryption program for Windows, Mac OSX and Linux. https://veracrypt.eu/en/

    Free third-party apps work with the database on both Android & iOS. https://veracrypt.eu/en/Android%20%26%20iOS%20Support.html

    Android:
    http://sovworks.com/eds/

    iOS:
    https://disk-decipher.app/ https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/crypto-disks-store-private/id889549308

    You're wasting your energy on this OP as he's one of those Apple morons.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 13:05:06 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Andrew, 2024-03-12 19:50:

    Arno Welzel wrote on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 19:13:41 +0100 :

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based >>>> protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    File based vault was an assumption on my side. A 'nice' thing about

    If you need that, use KeePass:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android>

    Already suggested, with much more detail covering all operating systems. https://narkive.com/9bTrxUQr.8 & https://narkive.com/9bTrxUQr.9

    So the OP will see, that multiple people recommend that ;-)


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Fri Mar 15 01:16:42 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    Arno Welzel wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:05:06 +0100 :

    So the OP will see, that multiple people recommend that

    OK. Fair enough. It's good for the OP to know multiple people recommend it.

    The difference here, in this particular case, is the OP is on Apple.
    Most Apple users are a lot dumber than most Android users (IMHO).

    Specifically this particular Apple user is one of the dumber Apple users.
    The OP isn't smart enough to look up keepass compatible products on iOS.

    So your "+1" is fine for the OP to know multiple people use keepass.
    But the OP needed to know how to get the functionality on iOS.

    He's not smart enough to get the funcdtionality on his own.
    Which is why the many links were provided for him for every platform.

    But I do thank you for the "+1" on the utility of Strongbox & Keepassium on
    iOS (which are the equivalents to KeepassXC according to their web site).

    This way others will know that the products are equivalent.
    And that they can get them for free no matter which platform they are on.

    Thanks!

    Original links:
    I saw your answers for BitWarden where another suggestion is KeepassXC
    (the XC stands for cross compatible with macOS, Windows & Linux). https://keepassxc.org/

    Their documentation discusses most of the questions you might have. https://keepassxc.org/docs/

    For example, Cloud synchronization with Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, ownCloud, Nextcloud etc. https://keepassxc.org/docs/#faq-cloudsync

    And just as easy to use compatible free tools on iOS & Android with it. https://keepassxc.org/docs/#faq-platform-mobile

    For iOS, we suggest Strongbox and KeePassium to open KeepassXC databases. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/strongbox-password-safe/id897283731 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/keepassium-keepass-passwords/id1435127111

    And for Android, we recommend KeePassDX and KeePass2Android. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunzisoft.keepass.free https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android

    I apologize if BitWarden is the only consideration, as I understand this is
    not BitWarden, but it is a free respectable password management solution.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sat Mar 16 08:58:56 2024
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android

    On 2024-03-14 08:05, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Andrew, 2024-03-12 19:50:

    Arno Welzel wrote on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 19:13:41 +0100 :

    You need to use a Bitwarden server (it's not file-based, it's an API-based
    protocol), but there are a couple of self-hosted versions:

    File based vault was an assumption on my side. A 'nice' thing about

    If you need that, use KeePass:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android>

    Already suggested, with much more detail covering all operating systems.
    https://narkive.com/9bTrxUQr.8 & https://narkive.com/9bTrxUQr.9

    So the OP will see, that multiple people recommend that ;-)

    I'll be trying Bitwarden in the next week. Need to finish a project
    involving splinters and a thumb detector first.

    Thanks.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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