How can I watch the Superbowl in real time for free on Android or Windows?It's on CBS which is Paramount+ if you have a subscription to that service.
Ads are ok. But no login is desired. Certainly no credit card
for "trial offers" that I then have to beg them to decline
(and they already got what they wanted which is your data).
I don't have a TV nor am I going to put an antenna on my roof, so the question is about real time watching of the Superbowl over the net.
Any suggestions?
It's on CBS which is Paramount+ if you have a subscription to that service.
Or just buy this https://www.newegg.com/p/16R-06F0-000E9 (or similar)
and plug into your TV.
The old conventional TV antenna setup without the rooftop.
If you want it on the phone/PC then you'd need a tuner card
or usb device and a quick browse shows those things a bit pricey.
On 2/9/24 11:49 PM, Gelato wrote:
How can I watch the Superbowl in real time for free on Android or Windows? >>It's on CBS which is Paramount+ if you have a subscription to that service.
Ads are ok. But no login is desired. Certainly no credit card
for "trial offers" that I then have to beg them to decline
(and they already got what they wanted which is your data).
I don't have a TV nor am I going to put an antenna on my roof, so the
question is about real time watching of the Superbowl over the net.
Any suggestions?
Or just buy this https://www.newegg.com/p/16R-06F0-000E9 (or similar) and plug into your TV. The old conventional TV antenna setup without the rooftop.
If you want it on the phone/PC then you'd need a tuner card or usb device and a quick browse shows those things a bit pricey.
I just want to watch the Superbowl over the Internet on a phone or PC.
What I'm looking for, I think, is simply a web site that will show it.
Or just buy this https://www.newegg.com/p/16R-06F0-000E9 (or similar)
and plug into your TV.
What TV?
I've never owned a TV since about 30 years ago when I gave
up on the "violence" so my young children (at that time) wouldn't
have to see constant violence. I never looked back & don't own a TV.
Is there any way to watch the Superbowl from a phone or PC
without having to subscribe with a credit card to something?
I use PadTV on my android tablet, but you won't be able to get it by tomorrow.
MajorLanGod wrote on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 21:49:26 GMT :
Is there any way to watch the Superbowl from a phone or PC
without having to subscribe with a credit card to something?
I use PadTV on my android tablet, but you won't be able to get it by
tomorrow.
I just tested this for the OP and it "might" work tomorrow for him. https://i.postimg.cc/5tRYTmZ1/superbowl.jpg
1. I installed the CBS Sports app off the Google Play Store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.handmark.sportcaster
2. When I ran it the first time, it asked me to create a login
using my email address, asking me my DOB and other private stuff.
3. Without adding any of that information, I closed the app down
and I restarted the app and now it let me in without credentials.
Then there's a button on top to select the "Superbowl LVIII" channel.
And a button on the bottom to "Watch" what seems like "live" channels.
The strange thing is the audio was all screwed up.
a. Either a video played with no audio.
b. Or the videos played only with audio (and the screen went black).
My phone is set up for privacy, but I've never seen that happen.
I also tried the "CBS News" app which essentially did the same things. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.treemolabs.apps.cbsnews
Maybe someone else can test it out for the OP to see if they concur. Obviously I have no idea if it will work tomorrow for the Superbowl.
Is there any way to watch the Superbowl from a phone or PC
without having to subscribe with a credit card to something?
I just tested this for the OP and it "might" work tomorrow for him. https://i.postimg.cc/5tRYTmZ1/superbowl.jpg
1. I installed the CBS Sports app off the Google Play Store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.handmark.sportcaster
2. When I ran it the first time, it asked me to create a login
using my email address, asking me my DOB and other private stuff.
3. Without adding any of that information, I closed the app down
and I restarted the app and now it let me in without credentials.
Then there's a button on top to select the "Superbowl LVIII" channel.
And a button on the bottom to "Watch" what seems like "live" channels.
The strange thing is the audio was all screwed up.
a. Either a video played with no audio.
b. Or the videos played only with audio (and the screen went black).
Stream: Available via Paramount+ on all platforms, or sign in with your
TV provider on CBS.com or CBS Sports apps
* Pressed the "Continue" button to skip login.
* All videos were muted by default. Pressed the video screen to expose
the speaker icon, then pressed that icon to unmute.
Of course, you can use your cellphone, as kelown suggested. But
then you also have to figure in the cost of a microscope and a stiff
neck to actually see the game. Otherwise it's like Charlie Chaplin's
flea circus. They claim it's the Super Bowl, but how would you
know for sure? :)
How can I watch the Superbowl in real time for free on Android or Windows?
Ads are ok. But no login is desired. Certainly no credit card
for "trial offers" that I then have to beg them to decline
(and they already got what they wanted which is your data).
I don't have a TV nor am I going to put an antenna on my roof, so the question is about real time watching of the Superbowl over the net.
Any suggestions?
What TV?
Those flat 12"x12" indoor TV antennas that you can tape to your window
work surprisingly well. And they're much cheaper on eBay.
So you're watching on a cellphone that's sent to a computer monitor? That's better than just a cellphone. You can watch with just binoculars. :) My TV is 32".
| That's how tall your Android phone will be when mirrored onto it.
|
So you're watching on a cellphone that's sent to a computer monitor?
That's better than just a cellphone. You can watch with just binoculars. :) My TV is 32".
If your 32" TV has an HDMI input port, you can connect an Android TV box
and install apps from the Google Play Store or directly install app
APKs. The experience is like having an Android on your full widescreen TV.
Those flat 12"x12" indoor TV antennas that you can tape to your window
work surprisingly well. And they're much cheaper on eBay.
Thanks for all the help and advice. The CBS apps never worked.
I watched it by joining a Paramount+ plan but now I have to figure out how
to unsubscribe. I don't even know what that unsubscription process is.
But I got two games out of the deal, even as my favorite team lost.
What would happen is the game would play about ten or fifteen minutes and
the memory for the highest Chrome process would climb from about 600MB to >about 1500 MB
Gelato wrote:
What would happen is the game would play about ten or fifteen minutes and
the memory for the highest Chrome process would climb from about 600MB to
about 1500 MB
This is a general problem with Chrome/Chromium not only in Windows but
also in Linux: It does not throw away the streaming data once it has
been displayed but keeps it until the system's RAM is full, resulting in crashes.
-jw-
This is a general problem with Chrome/Chromium not only in Windows but
also in Linux: It does not throw away the streaming data once it has
been displayed but keeps it until the system's RAM is full, resulting in
crashes.
There could be a WideVine module loaded as well, for playback.
"kelown" <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote
| If your 32" TV has an HDMI input port, you can connect an Android TV box
| and install apps from the Google Play Store or directly install app
| APKs. The experience is like having an Android on your full widescreen TV. |
I didn't know about those, but I also don't see the point. What
value is there in Android? I have an Android cellphone and I've
had to deal with constant hassles of Google trying to make me
connect to their crap. I don't install apps.
I have Win7 feeding into one TV and an RPi4 going into the
other. That allows me to stream any service through a browser.
I can also download movies from archive.org or videos from
youtube, then play those in a video player piped to the TV.
Why in the world would I want to buy a new, superfluous
device, infested by the worst spyware company in the world?
Why would I want APKs? Apps for companies like CBS are
simply more spyware, bypassing the relative privacy of the
browser.
One of the advantages of the setup I use is that I
don't need a "smart" device, don't need anyone's "app", and
don't need to allow the TV to connect online.
Maybe you're playing Android games? I can't think of any
other reason why you'd want the ATVbox when you already
have Windows. But it's interesting to know about.
The Internet
started out as the "information superhighway" where anything
could be accessed through a browser. Now I wonder how many
people like you there are, accustomed to using a cellphone,
and seeing the Internet as merely a selection of commercial
services to run on their kiosk device.
| If your 32" TV has an HDMI input port, you can connect an Android TV box
| and install apps from the Google Play Store or directly install app
| APKs. The experience is like having an Android on your full widescreen TV. |
I didn't know about those, but I also don't see the point. What
value is there in Android? I have an Android cellphone and I've
had to deal with constant hassles of Google trying to make me
connect to their crap. I don't install apps.
Why in the world would I want to buy a new, superfluous
device, infested by the worst spyware company in the world?
Why would I want APKs? Apps for companies like CBS are
simply more spyware, bypassing the relative privacy of the
browser.
Maybe you're playing Android games? I can't think of any
other reason why you'd want the ATVbox when you already
have Windows.
There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
| My logic would be that you can see your PC screen today, so when your
phone
| takes up that same PC screen, why would it be any harder for you to see?
|
I see. But if you have a computer and monitor, you don't
need to get the video on a cellphone. You can just
use a browser.
I use a computer mainly for software development, web design,
graphics editing, web browsing, practical tasks like taxes, email and
general online research, as well as streaming Netflix, etc. I've never actually played a game on a computer.
I suppose I could install an Android emulator and turn my 27" monitor
into a flashlight.... Nah. :)
This is a general problem with Chrome/Chromium not only in Windows but
also in Linux: It does not throw away the streaming data once it has
been displayed but keeps it until the system's RAM is full, resulting in >>> crashes.
There could be a WideVine module loaded as well, for playback.
So there probably is no way to alter that behaviour?
I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10 >laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on >Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
| Do you ever do graphical Wi-Fi debugging? Android excels at that.
I'm not sure I know what that means. Wifi debugging? I generally
don't use wifi at all. We have several Windows computers and an RPi4
here. They're all hardwired. The house is old, with forced-hot-air
heat, so it was easy to run ethernet outlets to offices and bedrooms.
I am a bit curious, though. I assume people run Android apps on
Windows for game variety. Is there any other possible purpose?
I don't even use Microsoft's Metro/RT apps on Windows, since they're
mostly just trinkets.
I can see the point of something like Waze or a plant ID app on a cellphone.
I can't see how such applets would be useful on a Desktop computer.
You mentioned in your other post about a private youtube client
for Android, but there are a number of youtube downloaders for
Windows. If I want to watch a youtube video, I download it. So
once again, I don't see where I might use an Android app.
I don't do any sort of "portable entertainment". (I assume by that
you mean games.) I don't carry a laptop or tablet around with me.
For movie streaming I use "any old computer" with a browser -- as
it happens, a Win7 box and a Pi4.
I actually didn't know about the Android emulator, or that there
might be anything on Android that people want.
I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
Which Android emulator do you like to use with Windows?
I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on >>> Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
Which Android emulator do you like to use with Windows?
I like both the Nox emulator and the Bluestacks emulator on my Windows
10. I slightly prefer Nox because it starts faster and is a bit easier
to setup and use. Nox emulates Samsung Galaxy S8, SM-G955N, Android 7
(among others). Bluestacks emulates OnePlus 3T, A3010, Android 6.0.1
(among others). Those support specs might have changed since I last updated.
After installing the CBS Sports App on both emulators yesterday, I
noticed Nox had some audio lag on the CBS football preview video.
Bluestacks had none. But that might have had to do with the way I
allocated memory to each emulator. Normally Nox runs fine.
"kelown" <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote
| You come across as too paranoid about Android and too inexperienced with
| it to engage in a meaningful discussion about it.
|
| You're making a lot of unproven claims about a product you don't use.
| I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
| screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
| laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
| Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
Your thinking is understandable. I wouldn't expect anyone who
uses Google products to understand or care about privacy issues.
| Nothing wrong with ClipGrab or YTD Video Downloader on Windows to download >| and rip YouTube videos and there's nothing wrong with using something like >| QMPlay2 on Windows to play a series of YouTube URLs in any sequence.
|
| But I haven't yet found a program on Windows that does anything even close >| to what NewPipe on Android does for the overall YouTube user experience.
| https://newpipe.net/
|
| If I had to name the one most useful functionality on Android that Windows >| completely lacks, it's that. Even the freeware folks can't find one.
I see. Thanks for the explanation. I guess it's a matter of
usage profiles. None of what you list is of interest to me.
I wouldn't watch youtube videos at all if I can't download them.
I did try watching movies on there, once. The ads intruded with
no relation to the movie scenes.
It was unwatchable. But mostly
I just watch several streaming sources, anyway.
And of those, Netflix is the only one I have to pay for.
Moral: You can *read* all the FUD, urban legends and other nonsense
you like, but when you *spout* it in an audience where people *do* know
what they're talking about, be prepared for the response(s).
It's interesting to see how different people use
devices.
I like both the Nox emulator and the Bluestacks emulator on my WindowsExcellent, thank you. I'll check out both of them.
Tonight we watched
an old Clark Gable movie, "It Happened One Night", downloaaded
from archive.org.
On 13 Feb 2024, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> posted some news <news:uqg68f.2o4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>:
Moral: You can *read* all the FUD, urban legends and other nonsense
you like, but when you *spout* it in an audience where people *do* know
what they're talking about, be prepared for the response(s).
Psychologically speaking, it's the exact same attitude that racists have. They know one thing about something and then apply that one thing to all. Without any evidence that the one thing that they know applies to all.
Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as Mayayana's.
| There's more to a YouTube client than just the final result.
| How do you handle subscriptions & comments for example?
|
That's a good point, but for me it's irrelevant. I'm not
interested in either. I think of something I want to see
and search for it. If it turns up on youtube, I download
it. That's it. I don't enable script on Google properties,
so youtube.com no longer works for me. But I don't miss
it.
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
I can believe that the under-30s use cellphones more.
But in my experience most people I know use them almost constantly.
I have friends who want me to call them when I go to their house
because the doorbell is outside of their comfort zone.
One friend
who's 75 has his cellphone on the table with him, like his favorite
stuffed bear, whenever we meet for lunch. My neice who's nearly
40 uses it to pay for things, to control locks, call Ubers... For her
it's the place where she meets most functionality in her life.
But you may be right about younger people. They're more dependent
on socializing generally.
I've considered the trend to be disturbing.
But it's not only the phones. It's also the social media and the
commercial ownership of the entire venue. On the bright side,
psychologists and teachers are finally coming around and talking about
the widespread addiction with kids. For many years people thought
any screen was educational. Now that's finally beginning to change.
And kids use it even more than we do as most of us old men don't
need X (formerly known as Twitter); but our kids swear by that stuff.
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily
chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and
on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
On 2024-02-14 12:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and
on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
And asks an admin how to post without a proper nntp client with faked identities on another group :-D
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily >>> chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and
on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
And asks an admin how to post without a proper nntp client with faked
identities on another group :-D
Is that recent? If so, please give a message-id (or group/subject/
date), I/'we' need a laugh. (Or is this in micky's 'OT how to remain anonymous' thread (which he crossposted to his favourite troll group (alt.home.repair, so I don't see it)?)
It's also funny that 'Arlen' insults Mayayana, but doesn't realize
that they actually mostly agree on this (non-)issue ('evil' Google,
"spying", 'we' allegedly not caring about privacy). But then 'Arlen' has never been very good at following what discussions are (not) about, nor
at reading for comprehension.
On 2024-02-14 15:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily >>> chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and >>> on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
And asks an admin how to post without a proper nntp client with faked
identities on another group :-D
Is that recent? If so, please give a message-id (or group/subject/ date), I/'we' need a laugh. (Or is this in micky's 'OT how to remain anonymous' thread (which he crossposted to his favourite troll group (alt.home.repair, so I don't see it)?)
Yesterday.
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It's also funny that 'Arlen' insults Mayayana, but doesn't realize
that they actually mostly agree on this (non-)issue ('evil' Google, "spying", 'we' allegedly not caring about privacy). But then 'Arlen' has never been very good at following what discussions are (not) about, nor
at reading for comprehension.
Right.
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily
chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and
on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily
chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and
on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
And asks an admin how to post without a proper nntp client with faked
identities on another group :-D
Is that recent? If so, please give a message-id (or group/subject/
date), I/'we' need a laugh. (Or is this in micky's 'OT how to remain >anonymous' thread (which he crossposted to his favourite troll group >(alt.home.repair, so I don't see it)?)
It's also funny that 'Arlen' insults Mayayana, but doesn't realize
that they actually mostly agree on this (non-)issue ('evil' Google,
"spying", 'we' allegedly not caring about privacy). But then 'Arlen' has >never been very good at following what discussions are (not) about, nor
at reading for comprehension.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 14 Feb 2024 14:27:37 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as
Mayayana's.
|
| Hi, Arlen!
|
That's another Arlen alias? I forgot about him. But it makes
sense. I'm used to people getting mad at me for my strongly
expressed opinions, but I don't see why anyone would want
to insult you.
Note that while 'Arlen' insults you from his 'rdb' alias, he happily >> > chats with you from his 'Andrew' alias, all in the very same thread and >> > on the very same subject matter.
The mind boggles.
And asks an admin how to post without a proper nntp client with faked
identities on another group :-D
Is that recent? If so, please give a message-id (or group/subject/
date), I/'we' need a laugh. (Or is this in micky's 'OT how to remain >anonymous' thread (which he crossposted to his favourite troll group >(alt.home.repair, so I don't see it)?)
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.
It used to be easy with the right software to email anonymously. Posting
to usenet is already anonymous if you want it to be. But it's not as
easy anymore, so it was a reasonable question.
It's also funny that 'Arlen' insults Mayayana, but doesn't realize
that they actually mostly agree on this (non-)issue ('evil' Google, >"spying", 'we' allegedly not caring about privacy). But then 'Arlen' has >never been very good at following what discussions are (not) about, nor
at reading for comprehension.
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
By doing that, they/you turn it
into a troll group,
No, it's a general discussion group. The whole idea that *every* group
has to be limited to one topic is silly in the first place.
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
By doing that, they/you turn it
into a troll group,
a group polluted/ruined by trolls.
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
By doing that, they/you turn it
into a troll group,
No, it's a general discussion group. The whole idea that *every* group
has to be limited to one topic is silly in the first place.
It made and
makes sense to have topics, as specified in the group name, so that
people who want to discuss a given topic can choose where to go to find people of like interests, but the idea that everyone has only one
interest is false.
What's true, and the advantage of discussing other
topics in addition to the named one, is that when you read posts and
replies by a given set of people, regular posters on a given group, you
learn who is smart and who is an idiot, whose opinion, by dint of prior posts, you should respect and whose you should not, Then when they
write about other topics, you can apply that same standard.
a group polluted/ruined by trolls.
And you're not even using the right definition of troll. Trolls are
those who post false or outrageous posts in order to get a reaction.
Like some fishermen troll for fish, they troll for startled or angry
replies. We've had a few of those for a decade or more, maybe always,
but afaict no more now than over the years. They are easy to ignore.
What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet. Older people have solved most of their home repair problems already.
Young people who just bought houses have the most problems and the least knowledge, but like the rest of Usenet, we have few or zero people like
that. They use the web, despite its inferiority. But the off-topic
posts keep a moderate number of people reading who are there to talk
about home repair when someone comes up with a topic.
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off >topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
But I'll use this post to test out a new
Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I
hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss
this (gasp) OT post anyway...
On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
Micky... ;-)
Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
On 2/17/24 4:49 PM, Patrick wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:34:47 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote:
What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet.
Many news servers have put a.h.r into the "poisoned" newsgroup category. >Due to constant off topic posts which have nothing to do with home repair.
3 problems:
1. I didn't write that quote.
2. The OT police are going to get you for posting non-Android stuff in this
Android group.
3. And the bad guy group A.H.R. won't see it cause it wasn't cross posted.
Course that's kinda my fault cause this Android newsreader deleted it last
time. Probably just doesn't like 'poisoned' newsgroups?
And again for the OT police Im posting this time with my trusty Chrome
Tablet which also speaks Android...
On 2/18/24 9:10 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >> >>> Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
But I'll use this post to test out a new
Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I
hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss
this (gasp) OT post anyway...
AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
which is perfectly on topic.
BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have >re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.
I didn't break the crosspost, my newsreader did, and since I paid 2 bucks
for it 5 years ago I'm not gonna stop using it until I get my money's
worth. Besides what's more appropriate than an Android newsreader in an
Android group? Unfortunately I no longer have any Android 9 or below
devices (given to greatgrandkids) so my favorite (and only) Android
multi-group newsreader Groundhog is now read only on my current devices...
On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do? >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
Micky... ;-)
When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
happen.
This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
Aye aye sir...
BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I >> monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
But I'll use this post to test out a new
Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I
hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss >> this (gasp) OT post anyway...
AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
which is perfectly on topic.
BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have >re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.
[...]
On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups. So maybe
trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?
If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here. Since I only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that much.
At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...
On 2/18/24 4:42 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-02-18 23:00, AJL wrote:
On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
...
Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups. So maybe >>>> trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?
If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here.
Since I
only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that
much.
At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...
It bothers those of us who are reading the thread on a different group
than you.
If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
Good luck all...
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.
On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
Micky... ;-)
When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
happen.
This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
Non response duly noted.
Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
Aye aye sir...
I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive >(non-)arguments.
So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
mean...
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >> >>> Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
just related but clearly related.
On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
Good luck all...
I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
of deleting one.
That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...
That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.
your method is not polite.
I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
what's impolite.
The recent net-cop Micky bashing
and this current
crosspost bitchfest are examples.
But then I'm to blame as well for taking
the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
on...
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >Windows repairs.
Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
last name is.)
believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes >them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.
On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
Micky... ;-)
When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not >> >> >happen.
This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!? >> >> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there >> >> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
Non response duly noted.
Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
Aye aye sir...
I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's >> >clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still >> >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
(non-)arguments.
So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
mean...
Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
main beef.)
Whew. That main beef, is it well done?
Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack >what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.
What does your book say about continuing this non-Android BS in the Android
group? I mean it makes interesting reading and the tit for tat is fun, but
isn't it against your long published scruples? Do as I say... ;)
On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off >> >> >topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
just related but clearly related.
Sigh!
You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
related to home repair.
[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)
On 2/19/24 9:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you >> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone >> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one >> >> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored. >> >> Good luck all...
I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread >> >by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead >> >of deleting one.
That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...
It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off >group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to >alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
the crosspost.
IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
after *you* broke the crosspost.
That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.
So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
of course fine.)
your method is not polite.
I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is >> what's impolite.
Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
Subject: header.
The recent net-cop Micky bashing
Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated >crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.
and this current >> crosspost bitchfest are examples.
This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
(break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more >experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).
Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
bitchfest').
But then I'm to blame as well for taking >> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
on...
I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.
Nah. Changed my mind. Sounds more like mother... ;)
But keep up the OT sermons. We need the traffic in a slow Android group...
Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
bitchfest').
On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went >> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
just related but clearly related.
Sigh!
You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically - >> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
related to home repair.
[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.] >>
I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of >net-cop.
A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells
others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits...
(winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
slipped out... 8-O
On 2/19/2024 11:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
bitchfest').
There's some reference here to USENET clients, and it's a mixed lot.
Possibly a paid client would work better, but then you'd need to
find a review somewhere, to verify it is feature-complete.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Z-ZUUdnkcEY
Even Thunderbird isn't feature complete, but not in a way that
affects others or the general health of threads.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
last name is.)
Thanks for the clarification (for others).
BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in >alt.comp.os.windows-10)?
believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.
In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:20:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >> >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I >> guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
last name is.)
Thanks for the clarification (for others).
BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in >alt.comp.os.windows-10)?
I have seen the other but I don't think I've checked the T's to see if
they are the same. I mean AHR's T.
believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;) >> >
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you - >> >> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went >> >> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not >> >> >> just related but clearly related.
Sigh!
You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically - >> >> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is >> >> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
related to home repair.
[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.] >> >>
*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
net-cop.
A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells >> others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits... >> (winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
slipped out... 8-O
Exactly *which* part of the "*AND*" bit did you miss / not understand!?
Sure, a 'cop' *might* 'correct' and commend in the same exchange, but
that's not very likely, is it!?
But I get it, any time anyone says something 'negative' and something
positive, (s)he's a 'cop'.
From now on, only positive feedback on these groups or you'll face the
wrath of AJL, or worse, his 'humour'.
I think were done. Agreed? I'm a net-cop. You act like a jerk. News at
eleven.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
topic.
Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
keep the ng interesting.
I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
monitor is much of the time.
Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
just related but clearly related.
Sigh!
You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
related to home repair.
[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:06:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:[...]
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:06:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg[...]
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky, I'll drop this, because there's just no point.
As I've said, you're an OK guy. Because you're an OK guy, I have
helped you on several occasions and got the thanks for that.
Continuing this discussion would only lead to more aggravation,
because we're on totally different pages and are only get more apart
instead of closer.
See you.
Alt.home.repair does not count because we have a well-established
practice of posting non-political stuff like what I post.
Alt.home.repair does not count because we have a well-established
practice of posting non-political stuff like what I post.
Who agreed to that? I've been reading alt.home.repair for ages and never
came across such an agreement or discussion to pollute that newsgroup.
In fact, for a long time it was one of the few groups that mostly stuck
to home repair topics.
However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've
made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.
However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've
made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.
I post on topic as well, a substantial percentage of new on-topic
threads. And I mark the off-topic threads I start as OT. So you only
have to filter on that.
However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've >>> made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.
I post on topic as well, a substantial percentage of new on-topic
threads. And I mark the off-topic threads I start as OT. So you only
have to filter on that.
I still see you on newsgroups where you post appropriately. I just felt
that your deliberate OT posts in a.h.r were harming that newsgroup and I >didn't want to encourage that behavior with responses.
I started posting in a.c.f in 1998, even before you, John Corliss and
the notorious BearBottoms were a thing. I changed my handle to kelown
about 2 years ago due to a malicious spoofer using my old handle.
I started posting in a.c.f in 1998, even before you, John Corliss and
the notorious BearBottoms were a thing. I changed my handle to kelown
about 2 years ago due to a malicious spoofer using my old handle.
So what were you called before?
I changed my handle one or more times, iirc something to do with getting
a different computer and not remembering how to make it like the
previous one. I know I was mm for a while, and before that I don't
remember what I was. Sometimes when I'm searching the web I come across someone with the same questions or opinions I have. That's very
pleasing but after a while, I realize I'm reading my own post.
In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:20:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in >>alt.comp.os.windows-10)?
I have seen the other but I don't think I've checked the T's to see if
they are the same. I mean AHR's T.
I started posting in a.c.f in 1998, even before you, John Corliss and
the notorious BearBottoms were a thing. I changed my handle to kelown
about 2 years ago due to a malicious spoofer using my old handle.
So what were you called before?
IIRC, I've had 3 handles but I don't quite remember the first one (that
I used the longest). I switched to "M.L." after getting a new computer.
I kept that handle until someone started impersonating it (impersonated
other posters too). So I changed to my current handle.
I changed my handle one or more times, iirc something to do with getting
a different computer and not remembering how to make it like the
previous one. I know I was mm for a while, and before that I don't
remember what I was. Sometimes when I'm searching the web I come across
someone with the same questions or opinions I have. That's very
pleasing but after a while, I realize I'm reading my own post.
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