On 2/6/2024 11:13 AM, MarioCCCP wrote:
On 06/02/24 15:34, Big Al wrote:
On 2/6/24 08:05 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
MarioCCCP wrote:
Which recent version of Windows is suitable for installation on a bare emulated machine, from scratch?
Given that Win10 will reach end of life in about 21 months, I would generally recommend win11 now, all earlier versions are already EoL.
+1
Also in a VM you are going to have a quite unique set of hardware and drivers to contend with.
If this program, that I've never seen, doesn't require special access to driver based hardware, ie sound cards, you probably can put any version win10-11 in.
I don't think it would use HW intensively. It is just a text-to-speech SW that possibly does not even produce sound and can SAVE OUTPUT directly in an audio file
Remember in a VM, you can easily copy the VDI file somewhere to make backups. I suggest after it's up and running with minimal tweaks (windows that is). Gives you an easy reset point.
yes, I used to snapshot before and after critical updates or install, once upon a time.
But I ask if win.11 is virtualization compliant or complains itself ...
VMWare example (non-commercial usage only) -- Windows 11 works here, but not the best environment.
If the "controls" screw up, you could lose access to the content (keep backup copies!)
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The reason that works, is VMWare has "swtpm" module (which you turn on).
That is a TPM 2.0 emulator, which VirtualBox is missing.
The particular version of VMWare *insists* the virtual machine be encrypted. This is entirely unnecessary and detrimental to easy VM usage. I used
an empty encrypted container called "Windows 11 Template", as the
container for the project (password is 12345). This file is something
somebody made. It's not provided by VMWare staff.
VirtualBox has "Passthru hardware TPM", which means the TPM function
must come from real TPM 2.0 hardware on the computer. That's the reason
I didn't do this W11 in VirtualBox. Portability failure -- cannot move the
VM to the other computer.
You do not need a license to make it work.
The problem with licenses is, you have to use the right kind of license.
One of the group participants, put a license in his VM. When there
was later, a problem with the license, Microsoft Support would not help
him resolve the issue. I take this to mean, you should not expect
sticking a Retail $20 license in a VM, to be the proper way to do it.
I don't know the proper way to license a Windows VM. There might be an Enterprise license for this purpose.
My test VM still runs (it has no license). I store the materials in
a tar file, because the encrypted container file set cannot be compressed. (Yes, this is a nuisance.)
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Windows 10 would be easier -- no TPM is absolutely required for basic
computing purposes. And it might not need encryption thrown into the mix either. You could do Windows 10 in VirtualBox, with the usual level of portability (run the same version on your two platforms).
The thing about my W11 example, is it is a 100% serviceable installation.
It should survive version upgrades. There is no reason for it not to work.
When VMWare runs on an MBEC CPU, then the Guest can receive MBEC too.
And the software TPM completes the requirements. CPUs which are not more
than three years old, should have working hardware MBEC.
I nearly lost control of the VMWare example. The configuration file ends
up encrypted too. You cannot edit the configuration file with a text
editor, which is how you "resuscitate" VirtualBox machines when you make
a mistake. I did rescue it. The proof is in the latest picture. Still works. Snatched from the jaws of death :-) I did lose a few strands of hair,
searching my collection of materials, for a life preserver.
So, yeah, you run W11 as a "bar bet". W10 is practical in a VM. No circus stunts.
Paul
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