• Whatsapp on the PC, a great idea.

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 2 10:01:46 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.andrroid, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    I pinned it to the taskbar, and now it shows a badge when I've gotten a whatsapp message. And it shows the text of the text message that was
    left. This should be good for everyone but it is especially good for
    me, because I only turn the cellphone on when I leave the house, and not
    always even then. (It probably required the phone to be on at one
    point to transfer the text messages.)

    And I presume I'll be able to use the mike and the speakers of the PC to
    make whatsapp calls.

    Installation on the PC is not straightforward compared to installing
    other PC programs, but you guys can figure it out.

    Thanks again, Frank.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Feb 2 15:28:31 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    I pinned it to the taskbar, and now it shows a badge when I've gotten a whatsapp message. And it shows the text of the text message that was
    left. This should be good for everyone but it is especially good for
    me, because I only turn the cellphone on when I leave the house, and not always even then. (It probably required the phone to be on at one
    point to transfer the text messages.)

    And I presume I'll be able to use the mike and the speakers of the PC to
    make whatsapp calls.

    Installation on the PC is not straightforward compared to installing
    other PC programs, but you guys can figure it out.

    Thanks again, Frank.

    You're welcome.

    I fixed your typo 'comp.mobile.andrroid' (double-r), so this response
    goes to the correct group. We wouldn't want our Swiss friend to miss
    your praise of WhatsApp, would we now!? :-)

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 2 15:53:31 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    (Similar capabilities are available on Apple devices but I don't know
    anything about them.)

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  • From Patrick@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Fri Feb 2 11:53:55 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 15:53:31 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    I wonder how Microsoft/Samsung Phone Link differs with KDE Connect? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp

    KDE Connect provides a set of features to integrate your workflow
    across devices:

    Transfer files between your devices.
    Access files on your phone from your computer, without wires.
    Shared clipboard: copy and paste between your devices.
    Get notifications for incoming calls and messages on your computer.
    Virtual touchpad: Use your phone screen as your computer's touchpad. Notifications sync: Access your phone notifications from your computer
    and reply to messages.
    Multimedia remote control: Use your phone as a remote for Linux
    media players.
    WiFi connection: no USB wire or bluetooth needed.
    End-to-end TLS encryption: your information is safe.

    Please note you will need to install KDE Connect on your computer for this
    app to work, and keep the desktop version up-to-date with the Android
    version for the latest features to work. https://kdeconnect.kde.org/ https://kdeconnect.kde.org/download.html https://download.kde.org/Attic/release-service/23.08.1/windows/kdeconnect-kde-23.08.1-1463-windows-cl-msvc2019-x86_64.exe

    Sensitive permissions information:
    Accessibility permission: Required to receive input from another device
    to control your Android phone, if you use the Remote Input feature.
    Background location permission: Required to know to which WiFi network
    you are connected to, if you use the Trusted Networks feature.

    KDE Connect never sends any information to KDE nor to any third party.
    KDE Connect sends data from one device to the other directly using the
    local network, never through the internet, and using end to end encryption.

    This app is part of an open source project and it exists thanks to all the people who contributed to it. Visit the website to grab the source code. https://userbase.kde.org/KDEConnect#Share_and_Receive

    Here's a few things KDE Connect can do:

    Receive your phone notifications on your desktop computer
    and reply to messages
    Control music playing on your desktop from your phone
    Use your phone as a remote control for your desktop
    Run predefined commands on your PC from connected devices.
    See the list of example commands for more details.
    The plugin silently synchronizes contacts, in vcard format,
    from your phone to your desktop.
    Check your phone's battery level from the desktop
    Ring your phone to help find it
    Share files and links between devices
    Browse your phone from your desktop
    Control the desktop's volume using your phone
    Send SMS from your desktop

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Fri Feb 2 19:30:23 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    (Similar capabilities are available on Apple devices but I don't know anything about them.)

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app
    (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 2 12:22:48 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link? I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and Windows
    laptop. I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's
    a bit clunky to use.

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  • From david@21:1/5 to kelown on Fri Feb 2 12:54:38 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Using <news:upjbtq$2n8qo$1@dont-email.me>, kelown wrote:

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link?

    I think Phone Link requires you to go through Microsoft Account servers.

    I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and Windows
    laptop.

    With opensource scrcopy, you can copy & paste using both the Android
    clipboard on Android & Windows & Windows clipboard on Windows & Android. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/control-android-device-from-pc-using-scrcpy https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/how-to-set-up-scrcpy-for-mirorring-phone-on-windows/
    https://www.how2shout.com/how-to/how-to-use-scrcpy-to-control-android-phone-from-pc.html
    https://www.xda-developers.com/free-android-mirroring-app-scrcpy-seamless-copy-paste-stay-awake/

    You can get the open source clipboard management & mirroring here. https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

    It focuses on:
    lightness: native, displays only the device screen
    performance: 30~120fps, depending on the device
    quality: 1920×1080 or above
    low latency: 35~70ms
    low startup time: ~1 second to display the first image
    non-intrusiveness: nothing is left installed on the Android device
    user benefits: no account, no ads, no internet required
    freedom: free and open source software

    Its features include:
    audio forwarding (Android 11+)
    recording
    mirroring with Android device screen off
    copy-paste in both directions
    configurable quality
    camera mirroring (Android 12+)
    mirroring as a webcam (V4L2) (Linux-only)
    physical keyboard/mouse simulation (HID)
    OTG mode and more

    A lot of people use the scrcopy features when their USB debugging is off
    and they accidentally break their touch screen. This controls the phone. https://www.xda-developers.com/scrcpy-update-keyboard-mouse-passthrough/

    I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's
    a bit clunky to use.

    Looking that up is confusing because there's a "Nox player" and a "Nox emulator" and a whole bunch of web sites claiming to be "it" for each.

    "NoxPlayer, the perfect Android emulator to play mobile games on PC" https://www.bignox.com/

    "Get ready to play your favorite android games on your Windows PC and Mac
    on one of the most robust android emulators."
    https://noxofficial.com/

    "Nox App Player has got tons of fantastic features to make your Android experience easy and smooth on the big screen of your Windows PC/Laptop. In fact, the user interface of the Nox Emulator is impeccably clean and tidy
    with each functionality quick and easy to access. Thereÿs been a long
    battle going on in terms of comparison between Bluestacks and Nox Player." https://noxemulator.org/

    "NoxPlayer is a free Android emulator that lets you play Android games and
    apps on Windows or Mac." https://www.techspot.com/downloads/6751-nox-app-player.html

    "Nox App Player is one of the best Android emulators out there in the
    market which lets you turn your PC to an Android interface. You will be
    able to install Android games and applications on your PC or Computer using
    NOX Emulator."
    https://noxemulator.org/download/

    Which of those (or others) are the official download to test out?

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to kelown on Fri Feb 2 20:02:14 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/2/2024 1:22 PM, kelown wrote:

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link? I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and Windows laptop. I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's
    a bit clunky to use.

    what is wrong with using Dropbox so files are automatically synced
    between devices?

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 2 18:25:42 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link?

    I think Phone Link requires you to go through Microsoft Account servers.

    I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and Windows laptop.

    With opensource scrcopy, you can copy & paste using both the Android clipboard on Android & Windows & Windows clipboard on Windows & Android.

    PC Phone Link copy/paste is bi-directional between Android and Windows.
    PC Phone Link feels more naturally integrated between the devices than
    Scrcopy. But I used Scrcopy for mirroring, not copy/paste.

    I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's a bit
    clunky to use.

    Looking that up is confusing because there's a "Nox player" and a "Nox emulator" and a whole bunch of web sites claiming to be "it" for each.

    "NoxPlayer, the perfect Android emulator to play mobile games on PC" https://www.bignox.com/
    "Get ready to play your favorite android games on your Windows PC and Mac
    on one of the most robust android emulators."
    https://noxofficial.com/

    "Nox App Player has got tons of fantastic features to make your Android experience easy and smooth on the big screen of your Windows PC/Laptop. In fact, the user interface of the Nox Emulator is impeccably clean and tidy with each functionality quick and easy to access. There�s been a long battle going on in terms of comparison between Bluestacks and Nox Player." https://noxemulator.org/

    "NoxPlayer is a free Android emulator that lets you play Android games and apps on Windows or Mac." https://www.techspot.com/downloads/6751-nox-app-player.html

    "Nox App Player is one of the best Android emulators out there in the
    market which lets you turn your PC to an Android interface. You will be
    able to install Android games and applications on your PC or Computer using NOX Emulator."
    https://noxemulator.org/download/

    Which of those (or others) are the official download to test out?

    My Nox.exe shortcut launches NoxPlayer1 7.0.5.8. I'm emulating the
    Samsung Galaxy S8+, Android 7.

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  • From david@21:1/5 to kelown on Fri Feb 2 21:20:15 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Using <news:upk169$2qnet$1@dont-email.me>, kelown wrote:

    With opensource scrcopy, you can copy & paste using both the Android
    clipboard on Android & Windows & Windows clipboard on Windows & Android.

    PC Phone Link copy/paste is bi-directional between Android and Windows.

    Since you use scrcpy (and maybe even sndcpy) to mirror Android screen &
    sound onto Windows with full keyboard & mouse use, you already know this. https://github.com/rom1v/sndcpy & https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

    But the others might not know that scrcopy & sndcopy don't need you to
    create a Microsoft Account, while I think that the PC Phone Link does.

    PC Phone Link feels more naturally integrated between the devices than Scrcopy. But I used Scrcopy for mirroring, not copy/paste.

    I never felt control+C/control+V is unnatural, nor a rightclick copy/paste. Even snapping screenshots of Android on Windows is intuitive for me to use.

    You can even copy and paste images using scrcopy as documented here. https://scrcpy.org/
    "It lets you copy and paste text and images between your computer and your Android device."

    What I didn't like about the 'Phone Link' Windows/Samsung collaboration
    (it has changed ownership and names a lot over time) was the requirement to create the Microsoft Account - which I considered completely unnecessary.

    It has been years since I had last tested it and failed it for that reason. Does the Microsoft/Samsung phone mirroring still require that MS Account?

    I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's a bit
    clunky to use.

    Looking that up is confusing because there's a "Nox player" and a "Nox
    emulator" and a whole bunch of web sites claiming to be "it" for each.
    Which of those (or others) are the official download to test out?

    My Nox.exe shortcut launches NoxPlayer1 7.0.5.8.
    I'm emulating the Samsung Galaxy S8+, Android 7.

    Emulation works great for executing Android apps on Windows, where I've
    tested all the Android emulators andyroid, arm, bluestacks, genymotion,
    google (via Android Studio), ko, memu, microsoft (died long ago) & nox.

    They each are so very different that it's surprising how temperamental an emulator can be when they all do (at the top level) exactly the same task.

    I'm sure WhatsApp probably works on most of those Android emulators where
    an advantage of screen copy is you can make POTS phone calls using the PC.

    Given how mercurial each emulator is, if you've got Nox working, I would
    take that as a recommendation that it will run WhatsApp well for the OP.

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  • From Frankie@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 2 22:42:56 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/2/2024, Zaidy036 wrote:

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link? I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and Windows
    laptop. I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's
    a bit clunky to use.

    what is wrong with using Dropbox so files are automatically synced
    between devices?

    That question is non sensical in the context of managing your phone on your
    PC over Wi-Fi where it would be inconsistent with what Dropbox does to be copying and pasting between someone else's machine and your PC & Android.

    There are tens of thousands of things wrong with the terrible Dropbox use model, but the most obvious of which is it doesn't run WhatsApp on the PC.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to david on Sat Feb 3 05:34:01 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    david wrote on Fri, 2 Feb 2024 21:20:15 -0700 :

    Since you use scrcpy (and maybe even sndcpy) to mirror Android screen &
    sound onto Windows with full keyboard & mouse use, you already know this. https://github.com/rom1v/sndcpy & https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

    With scrcpy & sndcpy you have everything but the microphone to make/receive POTS/WhatsApp calls over Wi-Fi on the PC with your phone in your pocket.

    I just googled for a "miccpy" capability of Android onto Windows because
    that's the only missing element to work the entire phone on the PC monitor. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=miccpy+android+windows

    This was one of the hits in that search for casting the mic onto Windows. https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic
    "Use your Android phone as a microphone to Windows PC"

    Here's an image of the PC side of the microphone cast to the Windows PC. https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/blob/main/Assets/p1.png

    And here's an image of the Android side of casting the mic over to Windows. https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/blob/main/Assets/p2.png

    Here's the Android and Windows installers for casting the mic to the PC. https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/releases https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/releases/download/2.0.0/release.zip
    .\Android\microphone.apk (10,707,199 bytes)
    .\Windows\setup.exe (559,616 bytes)

    I installed the Android APK and the Windows setup, but my old Win10 desktop
    PC doesn't have a Wi-Fi card, nor does it have any Bluetooth capability.

    (Side note is the Android app can record call audio, which is also useful.)

    But if this works, the phone & PC would be one and the same at all times,
    since you would be able to make & receive phone calls on the PC with the
    phone itself only needing to be on the Wi-Fi LAN within Bluetooth range.

    So it has immense value to everyone who does have a Wi-Fi & bluetooth PC.

    Can someone with BT & Wi-Fi test how well that Android mic works on a PC? https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#readme

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 01:57:31 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link? I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and Windows
    laptop. I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but
    it's a bit clunky to use.

    what is wrong with using Dropbox so files are automatically synced
    between devices?

    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I
    was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and
    Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    Windows laptop.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to andrew@spam.net on Sat Feb 3 07:53:46 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In article <news:upkj88$1fs6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

    So it has immense value to everyone who does have a Wi-Fi & bluetooth PC.

    Can someone with BT & Wi-Fi test how well that Android mic works on a PC? https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#readme

    This capability has extraordinary value to users because the microphone is
    the last thing that Android needs to make the phone and PC one and the same device. Both apps installed in mere seconds after unzipping the zip file. https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/releases/download/2.0.0/release.zip

    1. I installed the "setup.exe" on Windows & up popped the Windows GUI.
    2. I installed the "microphone.apk" on Android & up popped the Android GUI.
    AndroidMic microphone.apk [com.example.androidMic, Version 2.0 (9)]

    Now what?
    https://i.postimg.cc/52Jq5QwS/androidmic1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RhcJqGb5/androidmic2.jpg

    If we can get the microphone working, it would be one of the best things
    that ever happened to Android & Windows working together since the entire
    phone would instantly be useable on Windows as a real (POTS) phone.

    I don't have Wi-Fi nor Bluetooth on my old desktop. But I have USB.
    It says it works with any or all of that (based on the GUI anyway).

    It only takes a minute to run the two installers to test it out.
    Since this is so important, can you try it out quickly and let me know?

    Is it just my (admittedly deficient) Windows desktop hardware?
    Does it work for yours?

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 02:14:09 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Since you use scrcpy (and maybe even sndcpy) to mirror Android screen &
    sound onto Windows with full keyboard & mouse use, you already know this. https://github.com/rom1v/sndcpy & https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

    I rarely mirror anymore between my Android and PC. And I usually do so
    using TeamViewer, not Scrcpy.

    But the others might not know that scrcopy & sndcopy don't need you to
    create a Microsoft Account, while I think that the PC Phone Link does.

    I've had my Microsoft Account for years, so it's not an issue.

    PC Phone Link feels more naturally integrated between the devices than
    Scrcopy. But I used Scrcopy for mirroring, not copy/paste.

    Does the Microsoft/Samsung phone mirroring still require that MS Account?

    I only use TeamViewer for mirroring. And I rarely mirror anyway now. My original focus was on copy/paste text between Android and PC.

    I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's a
    bit clunky to use.

    My Nox.exe shortcut launches NoxPlayer1 7.0.5.8. I'm emulating the
    Samsung Galaxy S8+, Android 7.

    Emulation works great for executing Android apps on Windows, where I've tested all the Android emulators andyroid, arm, bluestacks, genymotion, google (via Android Studio), ko, memu, microsoft (died long ago) & nox.

    I'm sure WhatsApp probably works on most of those Android emulators where
    an advantage of screen copy is you can make POTS phone calls using the PC.

    Given how mercurial each emulator is, if you've got Nox working, I would
    take that as a recommendation that it will run WhatsApp well for the OP.

    I'm not interested in using WhatsApp. I use the emulator mostly for some non-Windows games, a non-Windows wallet, and for viewing non-Windows
    IPTV streaming apps.

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat Feb 3 03:20:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 07:53:46 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

    In article <news:upkj88$1fs6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

    So it has immense value to everyone who does have a Wi-Fi & bluetooth PC.

    Can someone with BT & Wi-Fi test how well that Android mic works on a PC?
    https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#readme

    This capability has extraordinary value to users because the microphone is the last thing that Android needs to make the phone and PC one and the same device. Both apps installed in mere seconds after unzipping the zip file. https://github.com/teamclouday/AndroidMic/releases/download/2.0.0/release.zip

    1. I installed the "setup.exe" on Windows & up popped the Windows GUI.
    2. I installed the "microphone.apk" on Android & up popped the Android GUI.
    AndroidMic microphone.apk [com.example.androidMic, Version 2.0 (9)]

    Now what?
    https://i.postimg.cc/52Jq5QwS/androidmic1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RhcJqGb5/androidmic2.jpg

    If we can get the microphone working, it would be one of the best things
    that ever happened to Android & Windows working together since the entire phone would instantly be useable on Windows as a real (POTS) phone.

    I don't have Wi-Fi nor Bluetooth on my old desktop. But I have USB.
    It says it works with any or all of that (based on the GUI anyway).

    It only takes a minute to run the two installers to test it out.
    Since this is so important, can you try it out quickly and let me know?

    Is it just my (admittedly deficient) Windows desktop hardware?
    Does it work for yours?

    If all that's needed is for Android to be the microphone for the PC, then
    there should be apps on the Google Play Store that do that for the PC.

    Maybe this?
    https://micstream.io/ "Your Android as a PC standalone microphone"

    The Windows installer is here.
    https://micstream.io/micstream-setup-x64.exe

    The Android installer is here. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.totech.phoneasmic

    How it works
    Our Windows client creates a virtual microphone on the PC.
    Select this mic in other applications (Skype, Zoom, etc.) as your input
    device.
    Done! The app now streams into this virtual mic.

    Features
    Superb audio quality - up to 32 Bit and 48 khz
    Ultra low-latency - less than 10 milliseconds on flagship devices using USB
    No Ads and free to use

    Instructions
    On your PC:

    Download and install the Windows Client using the above link
    Start the Client
    On your Android phone:
    Download the MicStream App
    Connect using either USB or Wifi

    Micstream - Virtual PC Mic
    About this app
    Why spend money on a USB microphone? Unlock the full potential of your
    Android by turning it into a professional PC mic. Micstream lets you use
    your phone or tablet as an audio input device for your Windows PC. Works
    with USB and Wifi.

    Effortless Setup:

    1. Download the Micstream client from micstream.io
    2. Select Micstream as your PC input device
    3. Launch the app and connect to your PC
    4. Start streaming!

    Your phone is now a standalone PC microphone - just like one you would buy
    in the store!

    Key Benefits
    * Save Money: No need to purchase expensive standalone microphones
    * Ultimate Convenience: Use your smartphone as a professional-grade PC mic
    * High-Quality Audio: Capture crisp, clear sound for podcasts,
    gaming, video-calls, voiceovers, and more
    * Customized Windows Driver: Use it just like a real hardware PC mic
    in any application (Zoom, Discord, Games, etc.)

    Core Features
    * Ad-free experience
    * USB and WiFi compatibility
    * Automatic PC client discovery
    * High-quality, low-latency Opus codec
    * Stereo recording on supported devices
    * Customized Windows audio driver
    * Built with Oboe C++ for maximum performance

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  • From david@21:1/5 to kelown on Sat Feb 3 01:46:54 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Using <news:upkskk$3228t$1@dont-email.me>, kelown wrote:

    Since you use scrcpy (and maybe even sndcpy) to mirror Android screen &
    sound onto Windows with full keyboard & mouse use, you already know this.
    https://github.com/rom1v/sndcpy & https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

    I rarely mirror anymore between my Android and PC.
    And I usually do so using TeamViewer, not Scrcpy.

    An advantage of TeamViewer and Vysor is they also work across networks. https://www.vysor.io/download/

    What I don't like about Vysor is they charge for higher resolution.
    With scrcpy you're stuck on your local network, but with high resolution.

    I wonder how TeamViewer compares to Microsoft Remote Desktop mirroring? https://aka.ms/rdsetup & https://aka.ms/rdclients

    They talk about "Azure" but I don't know what that really means. Do you? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.rdc.androidx

    But the others might not know that scrcopy & sndcopy don't need you to
    create a Microsoft Account, while I think that the PC Phone Link does.

    I've had my Microsoft Account for years, so it's not an issue.

    But the account is not needed. Whenever they force an account on you for a functionality that has no need for that account, something is very fishy.

    PC Phone Link feels more naturally integrated between the devices than
    Scrcopy. But I used Scrcopy for mirroring, not copy/paste.

    Does the Microsoft/Samsung phone mirroring still require that MS Account?

    I only use TeamViewer for mirroring. And I rarely mirror anyway now. My original focus was on copy/paste text between Android and PC.

    For something that simple as copying & pasting between Android & Windows, I
    use scrcpy but they make apps just for copy/paste between Windows & the PC.

    Searching, I found this, but I would not use it as it requires an account. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=za.co.canobakedbeans.instacopy "Copy text from your PC to your Smart device's clipboard, and Paste text
    from your device's clipboard to your PC, instantly! (You do need to be
    signed in to your Google Account on your device since the application uses Google Cloud Messaging)"

    Running another search for you, this doesn't seem to require any signin.
    "Ever wanted to copy paste text from Android to Windows, from Windows to Android or from Android to Android? ClipSync does it all.
    You can download ClipSync Server at http://bdwm.be/cs"

    This seems to be the simplest way to sync clipboards across all your
    Android devices and Windows on your local LAN without needing a login. http://bdwm.be/cs
    https://clipsync.bdwm.be/
    https://clipsync.bdwm.be/setup
    https://clipsync.bdwm.be/ClipSyncServer3.msi
    Name: ClipSyncServer3.msi
    Size: 923136 bytes (901 KiB)
    SHA256: 7417F6BB137ABB331EC5176F0152B7729787E92D667E99FF0A26FBF514BCB37A

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=be.bdwm.clipsync

    I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my laptop, but it's a
    bit clunky to use.

    My Nox.exe shortcut launches NoxPlayer1 7.0.5.8. I'm emulating the
    Samsung Galaxy S8+, Android 7.

    Given how mercurial each emulator is, if you've got Nox working, I would
    take that as a recommendation that it will run WhatsApp well for the OP.

    I'm not interested in using WhatsApp. I use the emulator mostly for some non-Windows games, a non-Windows wallet, and for viewing non-Windows
    IPTV streaming apps.

    OK. But the sidethread is about using WhatsApp as if it's on the PC, where
    you brought up emulation - not me. I was responding to what you brought up.

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Sat Feb 3 04:05:49 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 03:20:11 -0500, Oscar Mayer wrote:

    The Windows installer is here.
    https://micstream.io/micstream-setup-x64.exe

    The Android installer is here. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.totech.phoneasmic

    If all you need to do is run the phone on the Windows PC as a real phone,
    why not just use an app dedicated to allowing phone calls from the PC?

    Here's just one of those apps which run the phone on the Windows PC. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fonelab.mirror.recorder

    FoneLab Mirror is a free wireless screen mirroring app.

    It helps you quickly and easily cast any content from your Android
    phone to your computer or laptop without delay.

    Let you no longer be limited by the screen size and enjoy playing with your phone directly on a larger screen.

    Meanwhile, you can perform screen recording, and control your Android phone
    on the computer, and get more unexpected but convenient services.

    Are you excited? Download and try it now. Key Features:
    Mirror Android to PC via WI-FI: Cast phone screen to computer quickly by connecting the 2 devices via Wi-Fi. The phone and computer will be
    connected to the same WLAN when connected to the same router or hotspot.

    Control Android from PC Easily: Use a mouse and keyboard to control your Android phone from a computer, copy text from your computer's clipboard,
    and paste it onto your phone.

    Play Android Games on PC: With the game keyboard function, you can set up
    key mapping and enjoy the pleasure of playing mobile games on your
    computer.

    Remote Presentation: After connecting to the PC, you can start presenting
    the phone screen. You can type key points or draw the formula on your phone
    and share the screen with the computer.

    Take Recording and Screenshot: The phone app offers a recording function,
    and you also can use the PC to capture the phone screen in real-time.

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Sat Feb 3 14:15:33 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the
    conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    (Similar capabilities are available on Apple devices but I don't know
    anything about them.)

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app
    (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    Yes, but on the off-chance that someone might want to call us most of
    us don't switch our phones off.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Sat Feb 3 16:00:06 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-02-03 15:15, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the
    conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    (Similar capabilities are available on Apple devices but I don't know
    anything about them.)

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app
    (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    Yes, but on the off-chance that someone might want to call us most of
    us don't switch our phones off.

    But specifically the OP does.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to kelown on Sat Feb 3 11:11:32 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/3/2024 2:57 AM, kelown wrote:

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on >>>> the PC and activating it on the phone.

    Can you elaborate on the Android apps integration with Windows Phone
    Link? I use it to copy/paste text between my Android phone and
    Windows laptop. I use Nox emulator to launch Android apps on my
    laptop, but it's a bit clunky to use.

    what is wrong with using Dropbox so files are automatically synced
    between devices?

    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I
    was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    Windows laptop.

    I do not have Android devices to test but if you use Dropbox as the
    working data location than half of your desire is satisfied. That is how
    I see current data on my iPad and iPhone even though I usually work on
    my Windows desktop for its easier to use keyboard and vision on a larger display.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to E.R." on Sat Feb 3 12:15:12 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:00:06 +0100, "Carlos
    E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-03 15:15, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good >>>>> thing.

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on >>>> the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the >>>> conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    (Similar capabilities are available on Apple devices but I don't know
    anything about them.)

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app >>> (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    Yes, but on the off-chance that someone might want to call us most of
    us don't switch our phones off.

    But specifically the OP does.

    Yes, and I appreciate the personal attention. And your passing remark
    was enlightening: "But this tool requires the phone to be running,
    whereas the whatsapp app (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not."

    I had not yet thought there might be a webpage that worked, and if I
    had, I would have thought the phone had to be on, like with the windows program, but by golly, it works, and in Firefox*** too (https://blog.whatsapp.com/whats-app-web pushed Chrome.) I think I
    could even saw it loading the new messages I had gotten since last I
    looked (nothing important).

    (I would have thought the equivalent of the whatsapp app was the
    whatsapp program, the separate one, and that it would be more powerful
    than the whatsapp webpage, but it's the opposite.)

    This is so great! Now I don't have to turn the phone on. And it's
    much easier to do housekeeping, like reading old chats and deleting
    them. (The mouse and keyboard are easier than on the phone.)

    And I can probably make calls using my laptops microphone and camera.
    And I've added a microphone to the desktop too. (Already has a camera, I usually turn both cameras off in Device Manager.) No more having to
    hold the phone!

    I've already put a "shortcut" on the new-tab page.

    I no longer see much use for the separate whatapp program except that it
    shows badges when I get a call or message, so I've moved that to the top
    line of the taskbar, where I'll see it. My nephew and his wife are
    back in Peru now, so one of them may call.


    ***Firefox currently has one weakness for which Chrome is better. You
    can't use a microphone to talk into google translate, but you can with
    Chrome on the PC. Not a big problem since usually I'm out and relying
    on the phone when I would use it, where it works great by the way. Also
    from Spanish. There were several people who IMO slurred their Spanish
    words together or dropped the final consonants so I couldn't come close
    to understanding them, but Google translate via microphone did. Every
    time. Incredible.

    In LIvingston, Guatemala, even the men who had to get their water at the
    pila (I think they say pila for pileta**, where they have a big pool of
    water and cement washboards for doing laundry, plus a 2" pipe with water
    coming out. . Only saw this in one town. They carry it home in what
    looked like 10gallon plastic cans. Even though I guess they had no
    running water, at least 4 of them had smart phones. So just about
    everyone was used to google translate. (One older woman ignored the
    phone when I put it in front of her, but everyone else used it to get
    English for me. OTOH, I only needed it for unusual words.)

    **Even though google translate doesn't list pila to mean pool.


    At home. I can always start Chrome on rare occasions when I want to use
    the microphone to imput words to translate.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to kelown@privacy.invalid on Sat Feb 3 12:19:45 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:



    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I
    was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and >Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    ===============
    Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference
    between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are
    you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?

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  • From Indira@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Feb 4 01:59:50 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    micky wrote:

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are
    you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?

    If there is an official definition, I'm unaware of it.

    To me, it's the difference between small and large, where apps are
    basically small things that phones run & programs are larger for PCs.

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  • From Indira@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 01:57:01 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Zaidy036 wrote:

    what is wrong with using Dropbox so files are automatically synced
    between devices?

    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I
    was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and
    Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    Windows laptop.

    I do not have Android devices to test but if you use Dropbox as the
    working data location than half of your desire is satisfied. That is how
    I see current data on my iPad and iPhone even though I usually work on
    my Windows desktop for its easier to use keyboard and vision on a larger display.

    Since this is a subthread about cloud storage, there is a thread all about
    the best non-Dropbox free cloud storage currently on the Android newsgroup.

    Some of those free non-big-name encrypted cloud storage solutions are only
    10GB to 20GB but others are 1 terabyte for free, and one is unlimited.

    Free secure cloud storage NOT from the likes of Google, M$ & Dropbox https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/R79ZrTmIhIY

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Feb 3 18:12:30 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/3/2024 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:



    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I
    was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and
    Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    ===============
    Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are
    you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?


    They have characteristics, but they are likely coincidental.
    In the case of Windows, they could have called them HotDogs, and
    it would have made no difference.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/6q7Cz3CC/program-versus-App.gif

    And as another example of that, when someone mentions
    they have a UWP on their Windows desktop, what does that mean to
    anyone ? Well, that's a "HotDog with Relish and Ketchup".

    Paul

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 00:54:44 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    OK. But the sidethread is about using WhatsApp as if it's on the PC, where you brought up emulation - not me. I was responding to what you brought up.

    My original inquiry was to get elaboration on using Windows Phone Link
    to run Android apps.

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  • From frank_n_2017@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Feb 4 08:18:35 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.andrroid, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-02-02 15:01, micky wrote:
    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good thing.

    After lengthy threads in 3 newsgroups, the real issue for me has not
    emerged: Whatsapp on Windows, NO smartphone, NO Microsoft account.
    Would it be possible?

    frank

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 07:41:59 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 12:19:45 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown ><kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:



    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I >>was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and >>Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    ===============
    Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference >between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are
    you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?


    There are no official definitions that distinguish between them. "App"
    is short for "application" and both "application" and "program" are
    short for "application program" (as opposed to "utility program").

    So there's no real difference between them. However many people use
    the two terms differently, in a variety of ways. Probably the most
    common way they are used is that an "app" is something used on a smart
    phone and a "program" is something used on a PC. But since there's no consistency in the way "app" is used, I avoid using the term myself,
    and advise you to be wary of making any assumption about someone who
    uses it means.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Feb 4 10:14:35 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-02-03 09:19, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:



    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I
    was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and
    Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    ===============
    Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are
    you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?

    In my opinion, "app" is just a shorter way of saying "application", and
    again in my opinion, the difference between "application" and "program"
    is that "program" is a general term for software.

    Any piece of software that is written is a "program" of some kind, and
    an "application" is a particular kind of program that is created for a
    computer user to perform some task.

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to kelown on Sun Feb 4 12:59:57 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 00:54:44 -0600, kelown wrote:

    OK. But the sidethread is about using WhatsApp as if it's on the PC, where >> you brought up emulation - not me. I was responding to what you brought up.

    My original inquiry was to get elaboration on using Windows Phone Link
    to run Android apps.

    There are two (both easy) ways to "see/run" Android apps on Windows.
    1. Emulation (they're actually running on the computer cpu)
    2. Mirroring (they're just reacting to the computer monitor & kb & mouse)

    Here's just one (of many) wireless screen mirroring tool. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fonelab.mirror.recorder

    And here's just one (of many) phone emulator for the pc. https://developer.android.com/studio/run/emulator

    If it requires an account when it doesn't need that account, it's trash.

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 13:00:49 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    OK. But the sidethread is about using WhatsApp as if it's on the PC, where >>> you brought up emulation - not me. I was responding to what you brought up. >>
    My original inquiry was to get elaboration on using Windows Phone Link
    to run Android apps.

    There are two (both easy) ways to "see/run" Android apps on Windows.
    1. Emulation (they're actually running on the computer cpu)
    2. Mirroring (they're just reacting to the computer monitor & kb & mouse)

    Further research has shown me that Windows Phone Link simply mirrors the
    apps already on your Android phone. It does not independently run
    Android apps as an emulator would. I'm already using NoxPlayer as an
    emulator, so I'll continue using Windows Phone Link only for copy/paste
    across PC <=> Android devices.

    Here's just one (of many) wireless screen mirroring tool. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fonelab.mirror.recorder

    And here's just one (of many) phone emulator for the pc. https://developer.android.com/studio/run/emulator

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 14:28:50 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.andrroid, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/4/2024 3:18 AM, frank_n_2017 wrote:
    On 2024-02-02 15:01, micky wrote:
    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good thing.

    After lengthy threads in 3 newsgroups, the real issue for me has not emerged: Whatsapp on Windows, NO smartphone, NO Microsoft account. Would it be possible?

    frank

    Short answer. "No."

    WhatsApp uses a Jabber ID. The Jabber ID just happens to be a telecom phone number.
    It goes downhill from there.

    VOIP systems without POTS bridges, don't need any sort of telecom numbers.
    A pure VOIP system could in fact be anonymous, but not very trustworthy.
    (If ABC1234 called, you would not know who that was exactly.)

    *******

    Two computers, with TCP/IP addresses and protocols, could communicate
    in complete privacy. Two computers plus the Internet, can function as
    two tomato tins and a piece of string.

    So we know that, given the right software, it's possible to
    communicate voice and video, without anyone else having to know.

    The invention of incidental issues (credit card charges applied by
    telecom connections), is what causes the tie-in
    with identifiers. Again, it goes downhill from there (Facebook
    adverts based on WhatsApp activity).

    Paul

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to kelown on Sun Feb 4 14:55:41 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 13:00:49 -0600, kelown wrote:

    Further research has shown me that Windows Phone Link simply mirrors the
    apps already on your Android phone. It does not independently run
    Android apps as an emulator would. I'm already using NoxPlayer as an emulator, so I'll continue using Windows Phone Link only for copy/paste across PC <=> Android devices.

    If an application that doesn't need an account requires an account
    (which PhoneLink does as far as I know) then it's trash in my book.

    Luckily there are many apps to mirror & control the phone on the PC.
    Here's another I found by searching which doesn't mention an account.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.vysor
    It has a Windows server that controls the entire phone from the PC. https://www.vysor.io/download/

    I looked for a free app without ads that shared the clipboard between
    Windows & Android and a few came up if clipboard sharing is needed.

    Take a look at these apps to see if any do what you like about clipbrds. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ghiasi.roamitapp https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.deedatbilla.clipshare

    This one says it syncs the clipbrd with Android, Windows & the iphone too. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.c2design.ClipSyncMulti

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Bev on Sun Feb 4 15:36:01 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Feb 2024 11:00:21 -0800, The Real
    Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/24 10:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-02-03 09:19, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown
    <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:



    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I >>>> was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and >>>> Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    ===============
    Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference
    between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are >>> you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?

    In my opinion, "app" is just a shorter way of saying "application", and
    again in my opinion, the difference between "application" and "program"
    is that "program" is a general term for software.

    Any piece of software that is written is a "program" of some kind, and
    an "application" is a particular kind of program that is created for a
    computer user to perform some task.

    Probably a good way of determining age/experience; people who have been >around since card-punch days probably talk about programs and look upon
    the app-people as children.

    Well, I felt that way and now that I know there is no difference, I feel
    that way again.

    someone, somewhere tutored me IIUC that there was an important
    difference, and if I find the post again, I'll argue with him.

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 20:09:03 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    I looked for a free app without ads that shared the clipboard between
    Windows & Android and a few came up if clipboard sharing is needed.

    Before Windows Phone Link I tested plenty of Android <=> PC copy/paste solutions and found that they all eventually unsynched unexpectedly and
    I had to manually reconnect them, and sometimes had to reinstall them.
    Windows Phone Link is the only bi-directional copy/paste solution that
    hasn't given me a day of trouble. It automatically re-syncs after
    Windows or my Android phone go to sleep.

    Needing a MS account to make it all work is no issue since I used a MS
    account long before Windows Phone Link was a thing. And you still
    haven't proven that a MS account is not needed for all the stuff that
    Windows Phone Link does. It certainly does more than just mirroring,
    which is the only case you made for it not needing a MS account.

    Before Windows Phone Link I used Google Keep for copy/paste syncs. It
    was reliable but less convenient to use.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Feb 5 13:09:08 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Feb 2024 11:00:21 -0800, The Real
    Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/24 10:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-02-03 09:19, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown
    <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I >>>> was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and >>>> Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    ===============
    Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference >>> between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are >>> you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?

    In my opinion, "app" is just a shorter way of saying "application", and
    again in my opinion, the difference between "application" and "program"
    is that "program" is a general term for software.

    Any piece of software that is written is a "program" of some kind, and
    an "application" is a particular kind of program that is created for a
    computer user to perform some task.

    Probably a good way of determining age/experience; people who have been >around since card-punch days probably talk about programs and look upon
    the app-people as children.

    Well, I felt that way and now that I know there is no difference, I feel
    that way again.

    someone, somewhere tutored me IIUC that there was an important
    difference, and if I find the post again, I'll argue with him.

    On *Windows* - this thread is crossposted to Android and Windows
    groups -, there *is* a big difference between regular 'old' style
    Windows programs and 'new' style UWP/Metro/Modern/<whatever> apps.

    It's not so much on the outside, but internally, how the software is developed, how it is installed, where it is stored, etc., etc..

    In general, Windows apps were and often still are more limited in functionality than Windows programs. Often, there is no real need for
    that, but that's what Microsoft decided in their infinite wisdom, is A
    Good Thing (TM).

    On the Windows 10/11 Start menu and Settings menu, Microsoft calls
    everything 'Apps', but in Control Panel -> Programs, also they still
    talk about programs (not apps) and only list the programs on your
    system, not the apps.

    If you have a third-party Start menu like Classic Start Menu,
    Open-Shell Menu, etc., it probably makes the distinction for you. For
    example Open-Shell Menu has a menu item for 'Programs' and another one
    for 'Apps'. Wonder why *that* is!? :-) Probably they don't know either
    what they're talking about, so if you want a candidate to "argue with",
    there's your chance! :-)

    Bottom line: You don't have to make a distinction and most of the time
    saying 'app' is fine - if you don't mind looking a bit silly in a
    Windows group, when you're actually referring to a program/non-app -,
    but please do not "argue with" people who *do* know the difference.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Feb 5 14:40:45 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-02-03 18:15, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:00:06 +0100, "Carlos
    E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-03 15:15, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    ...

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app >>>> (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    Yes, but on the off-chance that someone might want to call us most of
    us don't switch our phones off.

    But specifically the OP does.

    Yes, and I appreciate the personal attention. And your passing remark
    was enlightening: "But this tool requires the phone to be running,
    whereas the whatsapp app (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not."

    Welcome :-)


    I had not yet thought there might be a webpage that worked, and if I
    had, I would have thought the phone had to be on, like with the windows program, but by golly, it works, and in Firefox*** too (https://blog.whatsapp.com/whats-app-web pushed Chrome.) I think I
    could even saw it loading the new messages I had gotten since last I
    looked (nothing important).

    (I would have thought the equivalent of the whatsapp app was the
    whatsapp program, the separate one, and that it would be more powerful
    than the whatsapp webpage, but it's the opposite.)

    This is so great! Now I don't have to turn the phone on. And it's
    much easier to do housekeeping, like reading old chats and deleting
    them. (The mouse and keyboard are easier than on the phone.)

    And I can probably make calls using my laptops microphone and camera.
    And I've added a microphone to the desktop too. (Already has a camera, I usually turn both cameras off in Device Manager.) No more having to
    hold the phone!

    I've already put a "shortcut" on the new-tab page.

    I no longer see much use for the separate whatapp program except that it shows badges when I get a call or message, so I've moved that to the top
    line of the taskbar, where I'll see it. My nephew and his wife are
    back in Peru now, so one of them may call.


    ***Firefox currently has one weakness for which Chrome is better. You
    can't use a microphone to talk into google translate, but you can with
    Chrome on the PC.

    This may be Google's fault. They do mention that FF doesn't have all the features. Google can recode Chrome to better support their own web apps.

    Not a big problem since usually I'm out and relying
    on the phone when I would use it, where it works great by the way. Also
    from Spanish. There were several people who IMO slurred their Spanish
    words together or dropped the final consonants so I couldn't come close
    to understanding them, but Google translate via microphone did. Every
    time. Incredible.

    In LIvingston, Guatemala, even the men who had to get their water at the
    pila (I think they say pila for pileta**, where they have a big pool of
    water and cement washboards for doing laundry, plus a 2" pipe with water coming out. . Only saw this in one town. They carry it home in what
    looked like 10gallon plastic cans.

    Yes, I saw this in Spain when I was a kid in remote villages. Not
    plastic, but old earthenware. Heavy. At some time, it wall everywhere
    like this.

    Even though I guess they had no
    running water, at least 4 of them had smart phones. So just about
    everyone was used to google translate. (One older woman ignored the
    phone when I put it in front of her, but everyone else used it to get
    English for me. OTOH, I only needed it for unusual words.)

    Yeah, that is funny. Modern and old mixed.


    **Even though google translate doesn't list pila to mean pool.


    At home. I can always start Chrome on rare occasions when I want to use
    the microphone to imput words to translate.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From frank_n_2017@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Feb 5 13:41:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.andrroid, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-02-04 19:28, Paul wrote:
    Short answer. "No."

    WhatsApp uses a Jabber ID. The Jabber ID just happens to be a telecom phone number.

    A telephone is not necessary a smartphone. My text-only cellphone is
    used profusely in many 2-way security checks.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 5 11:06:45 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/5/2024 8:09 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Feb 2024 11:00:21 -0800, The Real
    Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/4/24 10:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-02-03 09:19, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:57:31 -0600, kelown >>>>> <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    I am not interested in synchronizing files between my Android and PC. I >>>>>> was discussing the automatic copy/paste of text between my Android and >>>>>> Windows laptop, and the possibility of running Android apps on my
    =============== >>>>>> Windows laptop.

    Someone in this or another group tried to teach me about the difference >>>>> between an app and a program, BOTH on a PC. It hasn't sunk in yet. Are >>>>> you using app to mean program or are you using it differently from
    program?

    In my opinion, "app" is just a shorter way of saying "application", and >>>> again in my opinion, the difference between "application" and "program" >>>> is that "program" is a general term for software.

    Any piece of software that is written is a "program" of some kind, and >>>> an "application" is a particular kind of program that is created for a >>>> computer user to perform some task.

    Probably a good way of determining age/experience; people who have been >>> around since card-punch days probably talk about programs and look upon
    the app-people as children.

    Well, I felt that way and now that I know there is no difference, I feel
    that way again.

    someone, somewhere tutored me IIUC that there was an important
    difference, and if I find the post again, I'll argue with him.

    On *Windows* - this thread is crossposted to Android and Windows
    groups -, there *is* a big difference between regular 'old' style
    Windows programs and 'new' style UWP/Metro/Modern/<whatever> apps.

    It's not so much on the outside, but internally, how the software is developed, how it is installed, where it is stored, etc., etc..

    In general, Windows apps were and often still are more limited in functionality than Windows programs. Often, there is no real need for
    that, but that's what Microsoft decided in their infinite wisdom, is A
    Good Thing (TM).

    On the Windows 10/11 Start menu and Settings menu, Microsoft calls everything 'Apps', but in Control Panel -> Programs, also they still
    talk about programs (not apps) and only list the programs on your
    system, not the apps.

    If you have a third-party Start menu like Classic Start Menu,
    Open-Shell Menu, etc., it probably makes the distinction for you. For
    example Open-Shell Menu has a menu item for 'Programs' and another one
    for 'Apps'. Wonder why *that* is!? :-) Probably they don't know either
    what they're talking about, so if you want a candidate to "argue with", there's your chance! :-)

    Bottom line: You don't have to make a distinction and most of the time saying 'app' is fine - if you don't mind looking a bit silly in a
    Windows group, when you're actually referring to a program/non-app -,
    but please do not "argue with" people who *do* know the difference.


    The only safe definition that I can figure out, is the "anti-particle" definition.

    An "App" is anything which is not a Program or a Widget or a <insert-expanding-list-here>.

    Windows 11

    File 14004
    \Users\username\AppData\Local\MICROS~1\WINDOW~1\notepad.exe
    $STANDARD_INFORMATION (resident)
    $FILE_NAME (resident)
    $DATA (resident)
    $REPARSE_POINT (resident)

    File 247041
    \Users\username-2\AppData\Local\MICROS~1\WINDOW~1\notepad.exe
    $STANDARD_INFORMATION (resident)
    $FILE_NAME (resident)
    $DATA (resident)
    $REPARSE_POINT (resident)

    C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps
    Notepad.exe 0 bytes <=== ??? Antiparticle.

    On Windows 10, that file is not in that place, because
    on Windows 10, Notepad.exe is a Program, and not stored in WindowsApps
    various cubby holes.

    The only reason I could make my joke picture, is I had access to both
    a Win10 and a Win11 OS on the same disk drive, and I could reach into
    the Win10 storage place and run the Program Version of Notepad.exe .

    What we're looking for, is precise distinctive features a user can use.
    They don't use the same font rendering or graphics surface.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/6q7Cz3CC/program-versus-App.gif

    The Program on the left is using ClearType font rendering (blue feathering). The App on the right is using grayscale feathering for its fonts (not ClearType).
    The third kind of font rendering, can be seen on some older programs
    which are runtime compatible with the OS (effectively 7x9 dot matrix or "fixed" fonts).

    Apps like the Groove music player, try to distract you with huge
    background images (Groove has probably been re-written multiple
    times since launch). Programs which open a GUI, they don't try to
    distract you.

    The only Widget sample I have on my system, is News and Interests,
    which is an App without App decorations around the edges.
    It cannot be "dismissed" as such. The notifications dialog has some
    Widget-like properties. Maybe the Search boxes I don't use, like the
    one on the Task Bar I got rid of ? It could be widget-like.

    Metro.App on Win 8.0 , did not have the "X" to dismiss them.
    Win 8.1 added that back. There is a famous little video snippet,
    of a "test user" in a lab, staring at a screen like a deer
    in the headlights, when there is no "X" to dismiss the Metro.App
    that occupies his entire screen :-) Of course alt-F4 would have
    dismissed it, but we only learned that trick later (it's not the
    first thing that comes to mind). Thanks to "that guy", today
    the App has decorations. Thank you, sir.

    What is design intent ? It's what you do when you not
    taking hits off your bong.

    Paul

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Wed Feb 7 20:21:07 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 14:40:45 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-03 18:15, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:00:06 +0100, "Carlos
    E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-03 15:15, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    ...

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app >>>>> (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    Yes, but on the off-chance that someone might want to call us most of
    us don't switch our phones off.

    But specifically the OP does.

    Yes, and I appreciate the personal attention. And your passing remark
    was enlightening: "But this tool requires the phone to be running,
    whereas the whatsapp app (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not."

    Welcome :-)


    I had not yet thought there might be a webpage that worked, and if I
    had, I would have thought the phone had to be on, like with the windows
    program, but by golly, it works, and in Firefox*** too
    (https://blog.whatsapp.com/whats-app-web pushed Chrome.) I think I
    could even saw it loading the new messages I had gotten since last I
    looked (nothing important).

    (I would have thought the equivalent of the whatsapp app was the
    whatsapp program, the separate one, and that it would be more powerful
    than the whatsapp webpage, but it's the opposite.)

    This is so great! Now I don't have to turn the phone on. And it's
    much easier to do housekeeping, like reading old chats and deleting
    them. (The mouse and keyboard are easier than on the phone.)

    And I can probably make calls using my laptops microphone and camera.
    And I've added a microphone to the desktop too. (Already has a camera, I
    usually turn both cameras off in Device Manager.) No more having to
    hold the phone!

    I've already put a "shortcut" on the new-tab page.

    I no longer see much use for the separate whatapp program except that it
    shows badges when I get a call or message, so I've moved that to the top
    line of the taskbar, where I'll see it. My nephew and his wife are
    back in Peru now, so one of them may call.


    ***Firefox currently has one weakness for which Chrome is better. You
    can't use a microphone to talk into google translate, but you can with
    Chrome on the PC.

    This may be Google's fault. They do mention that FF doesn't have all the >features. Google can recode Chrome to better support their own web apps.

    Not a big problem since usually I'm out and relying
    on the phone when I would use it, where it works great by the way. Also
    from Spanish. There were several people who IMO slurred their Spanish
    words together or dropped the final consonants so I couldn't come close
    to understanding them, but Google translate via microphone did. Every
    time. Incredible.

    In LIvingston, Guatemala, even the men who had to get their water at the
    pila (I think they say pila for pileta**, where they have a big pool of
    water and cement washboards for doing laundry, plus a 2" pipe with water
    coming out. . Only saw this in one town. They carry it home in what
    looked like 10gallon plastic cans.

    Yes, I saw this in Spain when I was a kid in remote villages. Not
    plastic, but old earthenware. Heavy. At some time, it wall everywhere
    like this.

    Heavy earthenware, plus the water is heavy.

    Even though I guess they had no
    running water, at least 4 of them had smart phones. So just about
    everyone was used to google translate. (Oneolder woman ignored the
    phone when I put it in front of her, but everyone else used it to get
    English for me. OTOH, I only needed it for unusual words.)

    Yeah, that is funny. Modern and old mixed.

    Indeed.

    I have my own pictures, but I'm not good at getting them from the phone
    to the laptop to a website, so here is streetview. They don't have
    every street but they have this one. https://www.google.com/maps/@15.8238108,-88.7497978,3a,26.5y,44.67h,69.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suwWIaWhCK8HPuC_j7xe07g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&entry=ttu
    This is street view so you can move it around, move to the left up the
    street to see froma different angle.

    One can see that there are 6 places to do wash, on this side of the big
    pool and there are another 6 on the other side. There are 3 women doing
    their wash in the view I post, and to the left of the left-most one is a
    "scrub board" that is not being used. It's cement, and the one woman
    who was doing her wash when I was there didn't use it. She had a bag of liquid, soap I guess or detergent, that she squeezed so it made a line
    on the clothes and iirc she just rubbed the clothes against itself, and
    then rinsed it in the sink (the scrubboard). I'm sure each of the 12
    places has its own drain, so the water in the middle stays clean, and
    indeed it was clean. When the woman needed water, frequently, she
    dipped a plastic dishpan in the pool and brought out water.

    In 1971, I had a glimpse of women washing clothes in a river, on the
    rocks at the edge, the river that divides El Salvador from Honduras on
    the PanAm Highway. I guess I was riding and couldn't go back and look
    more or take a picture. The paragraph above is better.

    On the left side (move the view to see better, though it's 5 steps down
    from the street) were those men I was talking about who were filling
    their 10 gallon plastic bottles with water. The water, from a 2"
    plastic pipe, seemed to run constantly. The man closest to the pipe
    was in charge of noticing when the "bottle" was getting full and
    changing to the next bottle, but when his two were full he would take
    them away, to his home I'm sure, and another guy sat there. They didn't
    mind my taking pictures.

    Livingston has no roads that go to it. You have to take a boat. These
    days there are 5 or 6 or more boats a day from Rio Dulce and two other
    towns. Most of those on my boat were not tourists.

    I have a Shell Oil map from 1960. Rio Dulce didn't exist then, nor did
    any road go to where it is now.

    **Even though google translate doesn't list pila to mean pool.


    At home. I can always start Chrome on rare occasions when I want to use
    the microphone to imput words to translate.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Thu Feb 8 14:15:28 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-02-02 16:53, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:46 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I thought I was installing Whatsapp on my PC just because that one
    airline insisted on my using it, but it turns out it's a really good
    thing.

    PC/Android users can use any app on the PC by installing Phone Link on
    the PC and activating it on the phone. I find it very useful under the
    conditions you described. If I connected a microphone I could answer
    and make phone calls via the PC. Doesn't work if you switch the phone
    off though.

    (Similar capabilities are available on Apple devices but I don't know
    anything about them.)

    But this tool requires the phone to be running, whereas the whatsapp app
    (or the equivalent on the web browser) do not.

    I misunderstood before, and repeated my misunderstanding in another post
    in this thread. You wrote idiomatically (a weakness in the current
    English vernacular) but you still mean: *and* the equivalent on the web browser. And by golly you're right. I just sent texts with both
    methods. This means I don't have to turn on my phone to to send, and I
    think receive, texts, and it seems audio and video calls (though I have
    not done either of those yet.) This is great.

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