"John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote
| Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
| how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
| include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
| doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
| FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
fills up 465GB?
John B. Smith wrote:
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig
who fills up 465GB?
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
On 2/1/2024 9:38 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
"John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote
| Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
| how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
| include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
| doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
| FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
fills up 465GB?
The images shows up on his second post, which is being
deleted from some servers. I use a server where filtering
is non-existent (ThaiSpam galore) and the server is read-only, and the
second post could be seen there with this MID.
<c2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna@4ax.com>
Howard truncates posts in the archive, so a complete image
can't be fetched from here. This is just to show that
an attempt was made.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cc2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna%404ax.com%3E
*******
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
C: plus two others 1TB drive
I: 8TB external
D: 2TB \
(E:) (250GB FAT32) \___ card reader ???
F: 64GB USB? / very strange
G: 500GB USB? /
H:? Optical maybe?
This stuff should all show up. Barring conflicts with shares or something.
Paul
Paul wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
C: drive seems in two minds whether it's 465GB or 952GB, is Stacker making a comeback?
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough. >She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to >get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and >it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it - >you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code. >She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 23:17:17 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 2/1/2024 9:38 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
"John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote
| Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out >>> | how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
| include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
| doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
| FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
fills up 465GB?
The images shows up on his second post, which is being
deleted from some servers. I use a server where filtering
is non-existent (ThaiSpam galore) and the server is read-only, and the
second post could be seen there with this MID.
<c2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna@4ax.com>
Howard truncates posts in the archive, so a complete image
can't be fetched from here. This is just to show that
an attempt was made.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cc2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna%404ax.com%3E
*******
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
C: plus two others 1TB drive
I: 8TB external
D: 2TB \
(E:) (250GB FAT32) \___ card reader ???
F: 64GB USB? / very strange
G: 500GB USB? /
H:? Optical maybe?
This stuff should all show up. Barring conflicts with shares or something. >>
Paul
I just installed Win10 on 1-16-24. I seem to recall there was
something in FileExplorer around ThisPC that you had to 'unhide' to
get drives to show??? I'm in XP right now, will check later. Also
something in DeviceManager to Show Hidden Device when I was trying to
get my cd drives to show. Turns out I had to modify registry to get cd
writer to dependably show. A known problem uSoft chooses to ignore.
Interesting about the attachments I sent not showing. In giganews they
don't show either.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy ><PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough. >>She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to >>get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it - >>you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >>approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough. >> She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to >> get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before)
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy >><PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out >>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough. >>>She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to >>>get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >>>approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out >>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
On 2/2/2024 10:35 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out >>>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >>>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
Neither this one, nor the previous post, have an attachment.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C2avpri5dd1jrk5eg1aiv5oh9q0l2k08jtu%404ax.com%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C3l2qritkt4bci9src1ud674aai0sgqc9vv%404ax.com%3E
*******
Do Properties on D: , select the Tools tab from the Properties dialog,
then select "Check" button, to run a CHKDSK from the GUI.
And as the other posters point out, telling us what the error message
is, would help. On some occasions, it's a permissions problem caused
by the user having used a "limited" account without Administrator
to do an Implicit Takeown. If the account belongs to the Administrator
group, that's supposed to help. Administrator Timmy can open Tommys hard drive.
Some copy operations to the root of a drive, will not work.
For such situations, create a folder first, then drop the
file into the folder and it will work :-)
Note that, when creating a partition, it is possible to create
them in RAW mode. This allocates a "block" of space on the
disk certainly, but without a file system, drag and drop will fail.
You need to "format" a RAW partition, to use it.
Do not format a partition which has valuable content on it.
If data recovery is required, have a person with a calm demeanor
to help out and take your time. You cannot rush data recovery, and
must stop using a disk when it becomes apparent data recovery
or cloning, is needed. You cannot always clone damaged devices,
and sometimes "ddrescue" is required, and you lose a file every
time a CRC error hits in a file. You cannot fix CRC errors as they
are uncorrectable.
Paul
<crasso@nycap.rr.com> wrote
|
| Ok, let's see if I can make the postimages work
| https://postimg.cc/V0vr2WVG/2c535577
That only says that the disk is full. There's no image
of Explorer view of disks or of disk management. So
maybe it's just as it says, that the disk is simply full?
Hi again. I did get her attachment posted in postimages in the
'crasso' message this thread. I posted that booted into Win7. I
started the thread in XP. Forte Agent somehow got installed
differently in the two OS's. The last time I tried to monkey with
Win7's version to get them to post the same, it somehow got me kicked
out of Usenet for about a week. Right now I'm posting from within
Win10, for the first time, so who knows what I'll get.
Her error message, in case you can't see that postimage jpg, says
"there is not enough space on Windows. You need an additional 22 GB to
copy these files"
"Windows, space free 18.8 GB, total size 952 GB."
She said she's trying to copy a folder from C: to D:
I suggested she try copying something smaller. I can't explain why
"Windows" is 952 GB?? That sounds like the size of D:?
On 2024-02-02 03:32, John B. Smith wrote:
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Note:
When you post amazon links, delete everything after the code that goes
after /dp/. It is tracking information of YOU.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before)
No, attachments can't be done on Usenet.
Instead you have to upload to some sharing site and post the link.
On 2024-02-02 16:35, John B. Smith wrote:
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Attachments are "prohibited" here.
You have to upload the photos to a sharing site, and post here the link.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:56:23 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 2/2/2024 10:35 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out >>>>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D >>>>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from >>>>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on? >>>>>
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
Neither this one, nor the previous post, have an attachment.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C2avpri5dd1jrk5eg1aiv5oh9q0l2k08jtu%404ax.com%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C3l2qritkt4bci9src1ud674aai0sgqc9vv%404ax.com%3E
*******
Do Properties on D: , select the Tools tab from the Properties dialog,
then select "Check" button, to run a CHKDSK from the GUI.
And as the other posters point out, telling us what the error message
is, would help. On some occasions, it's a permissions problem caused
by the user having used a "limited" account without Administrator
to do an Implicit Takeown. If the account belongs to the Administrator >>group, that's supposed to help. Administrator Timmy can open Tommys hard drive.
Some copy operations to the root of a drive, will not work.
For such situations, create a folder first, then drop the
file into the folder and it will work :-)
Note that, when creating a partition, it is possible to create
them in RAW mode. This allocates a "block" of space on the
disk certainly, but without a file system, drag and drop will fail.
You need to "format" a RAW partition, to use it.
Do not format a partition which has valuable content on it.
If data recovery is required, have a person with a calm demeanor
to help out and take your time. You cannot rush data recovery, and
must stop using a disk when it becomes apparent data recovery
or cloning, is needed. You cannot always clone damaged devices,
and sometimes "ddrescue" is required, and you lose a file every
time a CRC error hits in a file. You cannot fix CRC errors as they
are uncorrectable.
Paul
Hi again. I did get her attachment posted in postimages in the
'crasso' message this thread. I posted that booted into Win7. I
started the thread in XP. Forte Agent somehow got installed
differently in the two OS's. The last time I tried to monkey with
Win7's version to get them to post the same, it somehow got me kicked
out of Usenet for about a week. Right now I'm posting from within
Win10, for the first time, so who knows what I'll get.
Her error message, in case you can't see that postimage jpg, says
"there is not enough space on Windows. You need an additional 22 GB to
copy these files"
"Windows, space free 18.8 GB, total size 952 GB."
She said she's trying to copy a folder from C: to D:
I suggested she try copying something smaller. I can't explain why
"Windows" is 952 GB?? That sounds like the size of D:?
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough. >She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to >get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
On 2/2/2024 9:42 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out >>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
get enough space to install it.
Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to >>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.
Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
The Amazon machine advertises Windows 11.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
It could look like this inside.
https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_03_front_zoom.jpg
Side view.
https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_02_front_zoom.jpg
Back view. A couple blue-tabbed USB for storage. The black-tabbed USB would be keyboard and mouse holes.
https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_04_front_zoom.jpg
The front comes off via tabs on the side. The motherboard has a
"snout" section on it, which brings the I/O forward to poke out
through the plastic. So when that plastic "thing" in front is
removed, the PCB with edge-connector USBs will still be sitting
affixed to the casing. It's hard to guess what the "bays" under
that plastic thing can carry. Maybe a ham sandwich ? Just a guess.
https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_01_front_zoom.jpg
That particular one comes in a box labeled "HP Certified Refurbished".
https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_05_package_zoom.jpg
I can see the owner would be likely to be hanging storage off the
front plate of the machine. The physical details of the machine,
make it less likely a human "would ever go in there". The thing
is like a fucking jar of pickles. Shirely it has RGB lighting ???
I have a peg board in my workshop with more class than that.
One of the machines in that product line claimed to be a
gaming machine, and it had a 5300G in it. Um, OK. SIMS it is then.
It's the usual thing. There are a lot of computers with the same
physical packaging. Some have Intel processors. Some have AMD processors.
The processors tend to be 65W with aluminum coolers (no heat pipes,
limited VCore phases). Yes, it's a PC. It has a variety of video cards,
some of which are a joke. Really, seeing the box exterior, tells you
little, it's got a boot drive (as an NVMe), and the machine is unlikely
to use a lot of electricity at idle. You could easily get screwed
by paying too much for those "mystery grab bag" things. The person
who designed that casing can go back to Art Collage. What a mess.
This must be why the HP site refused to show pictures of it and had text instead.
*******
The "Computer Management" picture has a scroll bar. It needs to be
scrolled down to see the "unformatted device" hiding down there.
The other photo has got to be coming from a second computer. A computer
with more storage devices connected, but those storage devices are
also chock-a-block with movies.
So I would guess, their computer habits are to move USB storage
devices back and forth between machines, in a struggle to find
enough storage space for a movie collection. The USB storage
devices show an exponential pattern, as someone keeps buying
bigger and bigger "buckets" to ferry to the other computer.
It's also possible an SD is shoved into the "3-in-1" card reader.
And even if the price isn't right, they do make some pretty
large SD.
Virtually all of their storage purchases, would have come formatted.
Like, with ExFAT. And they should easily be detectable.
Paul
I disagree with what Paul suggested, regarding a temp space on C:. I've never seen Windows work that way when it comes to file operations, to my best recollection. He's probably thinking of how it sometimes works when you use a browser to download a file from the web, but that doesn't apply here.
Paul wrote:
I found some discussion threads of this VERY thing actually 🙂
Namely, an overflow of a temporary area on C: via OneDrive activities.
C:\OneDriveTemp\S-1-5-21-4080303085-989376780-587240787-1002
     <some string>.vhdx
That folder exists on my machine, but because I don't use OneDrive,
the file is not instantiated.
Same here, folder without a vhdx file, I do use onedrive, but I don't use its backup feature, maybe that's what creates the file?
On 2/3/2024 12:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
I disagree with what Paul suggested, regarding a temp space on C:. I've never
seen Windows work that way when it comes to file operations, to my best
recollection. He's probably thinking of how it sometimes works when you use a
browser to download a file from the web, but that doesn't apply here.
I found some discussion threads of this VERY thing actually :-)
Namely, an overflow of a temporary area on C: via OneDrive activities.
C:\OneDriveTemp\S-1-5-21-4080303085-989376780-587240787-1002
<some string>.vhdx
People are finding a VHDX "Private Vault" (see icon on the thing),
complete with Bitlocker protection, in C:\OneDriveTemp\<UserSID>.
Some of those files have been huge. And the huge file clogs up C: .
One helper had the poster in the thread, delete that file,
claiming that the VHDX was temporary. Yet, it can be quite large.
The intention seems to be, judging by the security level, that
the VHDX is an extension of the storage space on OneDrive cloudserver,
and has the same quality of storage security.
That folder exists on my machine, but because I don't use OneDrive,
the file is not instantiated.
On 2/3/2024 3:17 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Paul wrote:We would have to open it up and look.
I found some discussion threads of this VERY thing actually ?
Namely, an overflow of a temporary area on C: via OneDrive activities.
C:\OneDriveTemp\S-1-5-21-4080303085-989376780-587240787-1002
<some string>.vhdx
That folder exists on my machine, but because I don't use OneDrive,
the file is not instantiated.
Same here, folder without a vhdx file, I do use onedrive, but I don't use its backup feature, maybe that's what creates the file?
Log into MSA account, get key, unlock it.
So how does this align with Home versus Pro ???
The crypto and the mounting a VHDX ? Does Home
have the gubbins for that ?
Apparently, there can be a Personal Vault in a Vault folder. C:\OneDriveTemp\Vault\<some string>.vhdx
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/the-size-of-onedrivetemp-doesnt-actually-decrease/64c7fe45-b47c-4451-a529-37e5fd9ab97b
Sure, dynamic VHDX containers grow, and we know ways to shrink such
things, but why doesn't the automation do that occasionally ?
The vault would have to be decrypted for cleaning.
So a potential part of the problem, is growth of the VHDX
(a logically temporary operation), followed by a lack
of "shrink-maintenance". The kind of maintenance Win10 Pro
would have the Hyper-V infrastructure. Maybe that is why the
helper advocated deleting it.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/hyper-v/optimize-vhd?view=windowsserver2022-ps
PS C:\> Optimize-VHD -Path c:\test\dynamic.vhdx -Mode Full
"Full scans for zero blocks and reclaims unused blocks.
(Allowable only if the virtual hard disk is mounted read-only.)"
Which means you'd need to run sdelete.exe -z drivelettermountedVHDX:
before switching to read-only.
Paul
I'm going to quote my niece's email, don't think she'll mind, maybe
you guys can deduce something else from her observations.
"Thanks for all the research on this. I'm still working on your
suggestion a few emails ago and moving files from C to D in small
batches then deleting the C copies and emptying Recycle. That seems
to working and I'm slowly freeing up space on C and able to copy in
bigger batches.
It's still a mystery to me why I need to use space on
C when copying C to D, but obviously, it thinks I do.
I think I got messed up trying to use my Cloud space. I thought I
could offload and free up space on one computer, but the other
computer synced to the cloud and downloaded to Irene's (HER NEW
COMPUTER) C everything I thought I was offloading from Henry. I'm not
sure if this is going to delete it from the Cloud, but most of my
important stuff is on my external drive as well as Irene's D.
I also somehow messed up something so my Documents file contains a
Documents file and most documents are currently duplicated.
It's possible I can blame a lot of this on my how my computer guy set
up Irene."
Hmm, I was hoping you'd found something about Windows creating a temp file on C:
when a user tries to copy a file from C: to D:. I still don't think that's a thing when using File Explorer (or the earlier Windows Explorer) to copy or move
files across volumes. That would greatly increase copy/move times, (plus, there'd be no point in doing it), and that's something that each of us would have seen by now. The discussion below appears to be unrelated.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 20:14:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-02 16:35, John B. Smith wrote:
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Attachments are "prohibited" here.
You have to upload the photos to a sharing site, and post here the link.
My NSP allows attachments in this group. (Although I don't mean to encourage that behavior.)
Andy Burns wrote:
Same here, folder without a vhdx file, I do use onedrive, but I
don't use its backup feature, maybe that's what creates the file?
We would have to open it up and look.
Log into MSA account, get key, unlock it.
So how does this align with Home versus Pro ???
The crypto and the mounting a VHDX ? Does Home
have the gubbins for that ?
On 2024-02-03 06:14, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 20:14:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> >> wrote:
On 2024-02-02 16:35, John B. Smith wrote:
I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Attachments are "prohibited" here.
You have to upload the photos to a sharing site, and post here the link.
My NSP allows attachments in this group. (Although I don't mean to encourage >> that behavior.)
Maybe, but they are not propagated to other servers, so for example, I
do not see them.
On 2/3/2024 5:58 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
Hmm, I was hoping you'd found something about Windows creating a temp file on C:
when a user tries to copy a file from C: to D:. I still don't think that's a >> thing when using File Explorer (or the earlier Windows Explorer) to copy or move
files across volumes. That would greatly increase copy/move times, (plus,
there'd be no point in doing it), and that's something that each of us would >> have seen by now. The discussion below appears to be unrelated.
I hope I have the right picture.
https://postimg.cc/V0vr2WVG
What the individual is doing, is they have a OneDrive folder open.
Not a OneDriveTemp folder (which is an area used by the tool and not by the user).
The OneDriveTemp is insulated by a crypto personal vault, to prevent you
from breaking stuff.
So let's review the sequence.
I open
C:\Users\order\OneDrive\Music and I drop it on the D: drive (not shown)
The Music folder is not populated. It is virtual. It is empty. >C:\Users\order\OneDrive\Music is empty, at the moment.
The content is in the cloud.
Microsoft starts downloading the entire Music collection
stored in the user OneDrive Account. The download operation,
is being dumped into C:\Users\order\OneDriveTemp as a staging area.
Before the files can be copied from C:, they must be instantiated on C: .
snip <
Wow,thanks for the insight. I was kind of considering the thing for a
backup computer. Not so much now. My last outage, my big monitor
problem, had me using my ancient laptop with Vista on it and I
resolved to get something better as a backup. Really don't have room
for 2nd desktop anyway.
On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 18:54:40 -0500, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:
I'm going to quote my niece's email, don't think she'll mind, maybe
you guys can deduce something else from her observations.
"Thanks for all the research on this. I'm still working on your
suggestion a few emails ago and moving files from C to D in small
batches then deleting the C copies and emptying Recycle. That seems
to working and I'm slowly freeing up space on C and able to copy in
bigger batches.
She's obviously doing a "Copy - Delete from Source - Empty Recycle Bin" operation versus a single Move operation, but as long as she's comfortable, that's fine.
Not that it matters much, but in Windows 11 (while this is a Windows
10 group, this is about a Windows 11 system), File Explorer no longer
has a 'Move' function, at least not a function with that name. It only
has 'Cut' and 'Paste', which is (IMO) kind of counter-intuitive to move
stuff from one place to another. (IMO) A rather silly thing for
Microsoft to remove this several decades old functionality.
Well, at least 'Command Prompt' (cmd.exe) still has the 'move'
command! :-)
[...]
n Windows 11 (while this is a Windows
10 group, this is about a Windows 11 system), File Explorer no longer
has a 'Move' function, at least not a function with that name.
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 18:54:40 -0500, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:
I'm going to quote my niece's email, don't think she'll mind, maybe
you guys can deduce something else from her observations.
"Thanks for all the research on this. I'm still working on your
suggestion a few emails ago and moving files from C to D in small
batches then deleting the C copies and emptying Recycle. That seems
to working and I'm slowly freeing up space on C and able to copy in
bigger batches.
She's obviously doing a "Copy - Delete from Source - Empty Recycle Bin"
operation versus a single Move operation, but as long as she's comfortable, >> that's fine.
Not that it matters much, but in Windows 11 (while this is a Windows
10 group, this is about a Windows 11 system), File Explorer no longer
has a 'Move' function, at least not a function with that name. It only
has 'Cut' and 'Paste', which is (IMO) kind of counter-intuitive to move
stuff from one place to another. (IMO) A rather silly thing for
Microsoft to remove this several decades old functionality.
Well, at least 'Command Prompt' (cmd.exe) still has the 'move'
command! :-)
[...]
On 4 Feb 2024 19:11:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 18:54:40 -0500, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:
I'm going to quote my niece's email, don't think she'll mind, maybe
you guys can deduce something else from her observations.
"Thanks for all the research on this. I'm still working on your
suggestion a few emails ago and moving files from C to D in small
batches then deleting the C copies and emptying Recycle. That seems
to working and I'm slowly freeing up space on C and able to copy in
bigger batches.
She's obviously doing a "Copy - Delete from Source - Empty Recycle Bin"
operation versus a single Move operation, but as long as she's comfortable,
that's fine.
Not that it matters much, but in Windows 11 (while this is a Windows
10 group, this is about a Windows 11 system), File Explorer no longer
has a 'Move' function, at least not a function with that name. It only
has 'Cut' and 'Paste', which is (IMO) kind of counter-intuitive to move >stuff from one place to another. (IMO) A rather silly thing for
Microsoft to remove this several decades old functionality.
Well, at least 'Command Prompt' (cmd.exe) still has the 'move'
command! :-)
[...]
Thanks, I didn't know that and wouldn't have noticed since I haven't used a context menu or other GUI menu to move or copy files since the pre-XP days.
Seems like it's easy to add back the missing functionality, though. <https://www.elevenforum.com/t/add-or-remove-copy-to-folder-and-move-to-folder-context-menu-in-windows-11.1339/>
Does Ctrl-X still work?
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