People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with aAnd a usb plug in drive would also work on all systems including the
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
micky wrote:
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
You can get a brand new USB external CD/DVD drive for less
than $20 on amazon. And you don't need to discard it
when upgrading to a new computer.
Clearly someone is still using them.
That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers.  On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:Hey, I gotcha! I have about 5 cake pans. Some DVD+, some DVD-, some
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
And the Dynex jewel boxes, are now "Verbatim" brand. Small world.
I was lucky to get jewel boxes.
The staff even had trouble finding those in the store. Normally,
their computer has a grid ref inside the store, for where the
items are located. But not for that stuff. It was actually underneath
the cash register location. I guess they didn't have a place to
put it. One clerk seemed to think it was hidden in the back somewhere
("in the cage"), but eventually one of the other store staff figured
it out.
https://www.moriareviews.com/rongulator/wp-content/uploads/Time-Machine-1960-11.jpg
Paul
On 01/24/2024 2:44 PM, Paul wrote:update.
On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers.  On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the
hard drive that is sitting beside my recliner.That assumes that you are sitting in your recliner in front of the TV or equivalent.  I have a Portable Laptop that goes places with me, many times on the spur of the moment. ie I have to go over to the next building, or to the church and need the
Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
could be easier ?
On 01/24/2024 2:44 PM, Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:That assumes that you are sitting in your recliner in front of the TV or >equivalent. I have a Portable Laptop that goes places with me, many
That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
could be easier ?
times on the spur of the moment. ie I have to go over to the next
building, or to the church and need the hard drive that is sitting
beside my recliner.
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
could be easier ?
No, it doesn't have to sit on edge like this. Flat is safer.
This one is missing rubber non-skid feet. This one has a fan.
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
You said you needed storage. You can put one of these in it :-)
Apparently the industry thinks they're going to get rich off
impulse-buy of these. That's a Helium drive. Don't forget, you
can't connect 3.3V to one of those. Use a four wire power cable,
not a five wire power cable. No damage will result either way,
but with a five wire power cable, it won't spin. One of the 3.3V
pins is double-purpose, as Spin Control.
https://www.newegg.com/gold-wd221kryz-22tb/p/N82E16822234525
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
visits, when you could pick up an item, hold it in your hands, and read the specs and other fluff that was printed on the box. Now it's all Newegg and Amazon.
On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
On 2024-01-24, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a >>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're
reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could >> actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s? >>
They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two >> video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
visits, when you could pick up an item, hold it in your hands, and read the >> specs and other fluff that was printed on the box. Now it's all Newegg and >> Amazon.
I went to a computer store in 2022. I bought a used Dell and they
let me sit in their work room and install Linux on it.
In the showroom, there was a bunch of stuff. Computers, components, peripherals, etc.
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs
had given them a telescope. ... And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet >access.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
You can get a brand new USB external CD/DVD drive for less than $20 on amazon. And you don't need to discard it when upgrading to a new
computer.
Clearly someone is still using them.
"You don't technically need a bootable optical disc to install operating systems, access live CDs, or use bootable rescue tools. You can use a bootable flash drive, or any USB storage device to format it as a
bootable volume. However, it's more complicated than creating a bootable disc".
On 1/24/24 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with aAnd a usb plug in drive would also work on all systems including the
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So
there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
above people you visited.
You could even make an ISO from it and give them the ISO they could
mount and run without a DVD.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
You can get a brand new USB external CD/DVD drive for less
than $20 on amazon. And you don't need to discard it
when upgrading to a new computer.
Clearly someone is still using them.
You can even get USB-attached:
- 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
- USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
you might need to install drivers).
- USB-attached card reader.
There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:28:52 -0500, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
On 1/24/24 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with aAnd a usb plug in drive would also work on all systems including the
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So >>> there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc. >>> and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
above people you visited.
You could even make an ISO from it and give them the ISO they could
mount and run without a DVD.
And with either method, how would you read the DVD to make the USB drive
or the ISO? Just blow on it and wish it?
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
You can get a brand new USB external CD/DVD drive for less
than $20 on amazon. And you don't need to discard it
when upgrading to a new computer.
Clearly someone is still using them.
On 1/24/24 06:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-24, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:Look up MicroCenter, and see if there is one near. I think it's USA only.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a >>>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're >>> reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could >>> actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two >>> video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
visits, when you could pick up an item, hold it in your hands, and read the >>> specs and other fluff that was printed on the box. Now it's all Newegg and >>> Amazon.
I went to a computer store in 2022. I bought a used Dell and they
let me sit in their work room and install Linux on it.
In the showroom, there was a bunch of stuff. Computers, components,
peripherals, etc.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're >reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could >actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a >half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two >video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
visits, when you could pick up an item, hold it in your hands, and read the >specs and other fluff that was printed on the box. Now it's all Newegg and >Amazon.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
<trimmed to retain the pertinent content>
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs
had given them a telescope. ... And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one. If
the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the one in
the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it.
Even harder in
a laptop to replace it.
You can even get USB-attached:
- 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
- USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
you might need to install drivers).
- USB-attached card reader.
There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
On 1/24/2024 8:51 PM, micky wrote:=========================================================
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:28:52 -0500, Big Al
<alan@invalid.com> wrote:
On 1/24/24 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a >>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had >>>> given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in >>>> the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So >>>> there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc. >>>> and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in >>>> PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though >>>> afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll >>>> send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
And a usb plug in drive would also work on all systems including the
above people you visited.
You could even make an ISO from it and give them the ISO they could
mount and run without a DVD.
And with either method, how would you read the DVD to make the USB drive
or the ISO? Just blow on it and wish it?
Imgburn.
How can you have a DVD drive and not have Imgburn :-)
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/FRQWxQ5S/imgburn.gif
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/imgburn.html
On Linux, K3B would be similar to Imgburn.
The Windows native IMAP2 support for burning discs,
is lacking, because there is no "erase" for re-writeable
media. In Imgburn, you can use the upper left icon,
then go to the menu bar, and somewhere down in the menu
there is a quick erase or full erase for re-writeable
media. Since the menus may be context-sensitive (they
depend on which of the six icons you are using), then
you have to select the correct one of the six icons,
before certain functions populate in the menu.
When you are reading a disc to make an ISO (second down on
the left), then you would not be expecting to find an
erase item in the Menu at that time. That would be a
clash of features -- a user "planning" to read a disc,
then attempting to erase the disc. So some of the
context-sensitive behavior is for safety reasons.
Paul
I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old tapes but it's a painful process.
I have one.
On 1/24/24 06:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-24, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:Look up MicroCenter, and see if there is one near. I think it's USA only.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a >>>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're >>> reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could >>> actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two >>> video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
visits, when you could pick up an item, hold it in your hands, and read the >>> specs and other fluff that was printed on the box. Now it's all Newegg and >>> Amazon.
I went to a computer store in 2022. I bought a used Dell and they
let me sit in their work room and install Linux on it.
In the showroom, there was a bunch of stuff. Computers, components,
peripherals, etc.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in Florida.
I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
If the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the
one in the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it.
I can do that. I already have a spare one. You have to transfer the
outside cover from the old one to the new one.
Even harder in a laptop to replace it.
I practially had the DVD drive out when I changed the bad hdd for an
SDD and added some RAM
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:26:32 -0500, Paul
How can you have a DVD drive and not have Imgburn :-)
Big All is trying to provide an alternative to having a DVD drive. What
good is Imgburn without a dvd drive?
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:35:30 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 01/24/2024 2:44 PM, Paul wrote:
On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:That assumes that you are sitting in your recliner in front of the TV or >>equivalent. I have a Portable Laptop that goes places with me, many
That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
could be easier ?
times on the spur of the moment. ie I have to go over to the next >>building, or to the church and need the hard drive that is sitting
beside my recliner.
Is it your laptop or does it belong to the church? Most laptops within the past
decade or more can accept a second (or even third) internal drive, sometimes at
the expense of giving up the (mostly obsolete) optical drive.
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
On 24/01/2024 16:19, micky wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Not me.
The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
As to whether I really needed one. It is debatable. I could manage with an external USB drive but it'd be annoying and an extra expense. (The drives I used were out of my old PC)
On the other hand a USB DVD drive suitable for installing software is going to be relatively cheap compared with the blu-ray writer drives I like to have.
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
Ah. A drinkable dog. I hope multi poos isn't what they do when you take them for a walk. Or if they do clean it up afterwards. ;-)
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in
Florida.
I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
That's what carry bags are for: to pack more than the laptop. You
travel without the A/C adapter to charge your laptop? I also pack a BT
mouse and keyboard. And even some pens and paper. And sometimes even a USB-attached HDD, SSD, or flash stick for more storage of data, and off
the drive with the partition for the OS and apps. And a powered USB hub since the laptop has a dearth of USB ports. I don't recall seeing
anyone board an airplane with a nude laptop. They're always in a tote.
But, in your case, you already had a built-in optical drive. However,
the arguments were not against that, but that a built-in one is not a necessity as you claim. All those folks that laughed at you simply
chose a different setup: a non-built-in optical drive via USB.
On 2024-01-25 16:59, VanguardLH wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with >>>>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in
Florida.
I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
That's what carry bags are for: to pack more than the laptop. You
travel without the A/C adapter to charge your laptop? I also pack a BT
mouse and keyboard. And even some pens and paper. And sometimes even a >> USB-attached HDD, SSD, or flash stick for more storage of data, and off
the drive with the partition for the OS and apps. And a powered USB hub
since the laptop has a dearth of USB ports. I don't recall seeing
anyone board an airplane with a nude laptop. They're always in a tote.
But, in your case, you already had a built-in optical drive. However,
the arguments were not against that, but that a built-in one is not a
necessity as you claim. All those folks that laughed at you simply
chose a different setup: a non-built-in optical drive via USB.
A built in drive makes the laptop significantly thicker and heavier, and I'd have that weight on my back when moving around. Arguably, the external drive would be on another piece of luggage, so not on my back.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote: >>
On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet >> access.
There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
company provides you with a DVD.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
You can even get USB-attached:
- 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
- USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
you might need to install drivers).
- USB-attached card reader.
There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old tapes but it's a painful process. The copying is in real time. The
software is reasonably good at breaking out songs into separate files but
you have to label them yourself.
There are also USB turntables for the vinyl purists although i think that defeats the whole analog is better than digital thing.
The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
On 2024-01-26 22:11, Brian Gregory wrote:
...
The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
I had no problem with that.
On 2024-01-25 02:48, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>
On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box >>>>>> was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet >>> access.
There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
company provides you with a DVD.
With reasonably good telescopes, software can be added. Like for
instance adjusting the speed of the motor to compensate irregularities
and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
Other software can look at the telescope camera and sync the computer >generated sky map to it, so that you can identify objects.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 27 Jan 2024 20:04:44 +0100, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-01-25 02:48, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a >>>>> dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box >>>>>>> was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
This telescope was intended to be used on the 17th floor balcony of my brother's apartment. There's plenty of internet.
Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet >>>> access.
There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
company provides you with a DVD.
With reasonably good telescopes, software can be added. Like for
instance adjusting the speed of the motor to compensate irregularities
This one doesn't have a motor.
Here it is: https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31045-AstroMaster-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B000MLL6RS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
It has slow motion controls, but they are manual.
But it's $351, more than enough for a present you're not even sure your friends will use.
Although here is almost the same model number, and it's less ($279,
still a big present),and it seems to have a motor, (though still no
software) https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31051-AstroMaster-130EQ-Telescope/dp/B0013Z42AK/ref=asc_df_B0013Z42AK/
The pictures look just like the one my brother has, with no motor. I
dont' know how that little box is supposed to move things when it still
has the same hand-adjusting knobs. Maybe they used the wrong pictures.
and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
That's going to be a lot more than $350.
Other software can look at the telescope camera and sync the computer
generated sky map to it, so that you can identify objects.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 27 Jan 2024 20:04:44 +0100, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-01-25 02:48, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a >>>>> dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they areIs the software not available to download from the telescope
complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box >>>>>>> was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
This telescope was intended to be used on the 17th floor balcony of my brother's apartment. There's plenty of internet.
Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet >>>> access.
There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
company provides you with a DVD.
With reasonably good telescopes, software can be added. Like for
instance adjusting the speed of the motor to compensate irregularities
This one doesn't have a motor.
Here it is: https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31045-AstroMaster-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B000MLL6RS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
It has slow motion controls, but they are manual.
But it's $351, more than enough for a present you're not even sure your friends will use.
Although here is almost the same model number, and it's less ($279,
still a big present),and it seems to have a motor, (though still no
software) https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31051-AstroMaster-130EQ-Telescope/dp/B0013Z42AK/ref=asc_df_B0013Z42AK/
The pictures look just like the one my brother has, with no motor. I
dont' know how that little box is supposed to move things when it still
has the same hand-adjusting knobs. Maybe they used the wrong pictures.
and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
That's going to be a lot more than $350.
Other software can look at the telescope camera and sync the computer
generated sky map to it, so that you can identify objects.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 22:56:35 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-01-26 22:11, Brian Gregory wrote:
...
The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
I had no problem with that.
It probably depends partly on the form factor you've decided to use.
When I
build a desktop system, I exclusively look at mid-tower cases, and AFAIK 100% of
them have multiple 5.25" bays where optical drives can be installed. Brian may
be looking only at another (smaller) form factor, right Brian?
Also, as others previously discussed, I require the PSU mounting position to be
at the top of the case, for proper and effective heat management, never at the
bottom. It makes no sense to me to place that kind of heat source at the bottom
of the case.
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