• Email quirk

    From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 18 11:13:05 2024
    My default email client is set to Thunderbird.
    However if I click on an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up
    to date), it opens the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?


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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Thu Jan 18 16:23:59 2024
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    My default email client is set to Thunderbird.
    However if I click on an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up
    to date), it opens the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?



    Only at the expense of seriously crippling your Windows installation.
    MS have made Edge and Outlook essential parts of their OS, and they use
    strong tactics to keep it that way.

    Ed

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Thu Jan 18 10:24:49 2024
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    My default email client is set to Thunderbird. However if I click on
    an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up to date), it opens
    the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?

    Did you install Microsoft Outlook (probably as a component in MS
    Office)? Or by "Outlook" do you mean the Mail app that is bundled in
    Windows?

    Is the toast (popup notification) created by Outlook (or Mail), or some
    other program?

    Without knowing the code sitting behind a notification, my guess is
    Microsoft is not proposing a mailto: link in the notification, but is
    using the URL:outlookmail scheme. Any program can define a URL scheme
    (usually when it is installed, or by configuration option).

    What opens when you create a mailto: link on the desktop (e.g., mailto:someone@somewhere.tld)? Create a shortcut, specify the mailto:
    URL as the target, and then double-click on the mailto: shortcut. What
    program opens to handle the mail send? That would show what is the
    default mail handler *if* one were not specified by the URL scheme used.

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to ed@somewhere.in.the.uk on Thu Jan 18 16:58:08 2024
    In message <uobjbl$2lj5a$2@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
    <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> writes
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    My default email client is set to Thunderbird.
    However if I click on an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up
    to date), it opens the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?


    Only at the expense of seriously crippling your Windows installation.
    MS have made Edge and Outlook essential parts of their OS, and they use >strong tactics to keep it that way.

    Ed

    I don't have Outlook installed on my Windows 10 PC and Windows works
    perfectly fine.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to John Hall on Thu Jan 18 17:13:59 2024
    John Hall wrote:

    In message <uobjbl$2lj5a$2@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
    <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> writes
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    My default email client is set to Thunderbird.
    However if I click on an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up >>> to date), it opens the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?

    Only at the expense of seriously crippling your Windows installation.
    MS have made Edge and Outlook essential parts of their OS, and they
    use strong tactics to keep it that way.

    They strong-arm the default web browser, but not so much the default
    email client.

    I don't have Outlook installed on my Windows 10 PC and Windows works perfectly fine.

    Occasionally thunderbird "looses" the MAPI Handler, a simple re-install
    of TB, without removing it first often fixes it.

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 18 18:03:59 2024
    In article <krxphk4e2c85$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...

    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    My default email client is set to Thunderbird. However if I click on
    an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up to date), it opens
    the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?

    Did you install Microsoft Outlook (probably as a component in MS
    Office)? Or by "Outlook" do you mean the Mail app that is bundled in Windows?

    Is the toast (popup notification) created by Outlook (or Mail), or some
    other program?

    Without knowing the code sitting behind a notification, my guess is
    Microsoft is not proposing a mailto: link in the notification, but is
    using the URL:outlookmail scheme. Any program can define a URL scheme (usually when it is installed, or by configuration option).

    What opens when you create a mailto: link on the desktop (e.g., mailto:someone@somewhere.tld)? Create a shortcut, specify the mailto:
    URL as the target, and then double-click on the mailto: shortcut. What program opens to handle the mail send? That would show what is the
    default mail handler *if* one were not specified by the URL scheme used.

    That opens using Thunderbird

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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Thu Jan 18 18:23:01 2024
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    In article <krxphk4e2c85$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...

    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    My default email client is set to Thunderbird. However if I click on
    an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up to date), it opens
    the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?

    Did you install Microsoft Outlook (probably as a component in MS
    Office)? Or by "Outlook" do you mean the Mail app that is bundled in
    Windows?

    Is the toast (popup notification) created by Outlook (or Mail), or some
    other program?

    Without knowing the code sitting behind a notification, my guess is
    Microsoft is not proposing a mailto: link in the notification, but is
    using the URL:outlookmail scheme. Any program can define a URL scheme
    (usually when it is installed, or by configuration option).

    What opens when you create a mailto: link on the desktop (e.g.,
    mailto:someone@somewhere.tld)? Create a shortcut, specify the mailto:
    URL as the target, and then double-click on the mailto: shortcut. What
    program opens to handle the mail send? That would show what is the
    default mail handler *if* one were not specified by the URL scheme used.

    That opens using Thunderbird

    So maybe I misunderstood your O/P, can you tell what program is
    producing the notification (does it look thunderbird or outlook style)


    when you click on the notification, and it launches outlook, is your
    email actually in there?

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Thu Jan 18 12:59:29 2024
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <krxphk4e2c85$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...

    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    My default email client is set to Thunderbird. However if I click on
    an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up to date), it opens
    the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening?

    Did you install Microsoft Outlook (probably as a component in MS
    Office)? Or by "Outlook" do you mean the Mail app that is bundled in
    Windows?

    Is the toast (popup notification) created by Outlook (or Mail), or some
    other program?

    Without knowing the code sitting behind a notification, my guess is
    Microsoft is not proposing a mailto: link in the notification, but is
    using the URL:outlookmail scheme. Any program can define a URL scheme
    (usually when it is installed, or by configuration option).

    What opens when you create a mailto: link on the desktop (e.g.,
    mailto:someone@somewhere.tld)? Create a shortcut, specify the mailto:
    URL as the target, and then double-click on the mailto: shortcut. What
    program opens to handle the mail send? That would show what is the
    default mail handler *if* one were not specified by the URL scheme used.

    That opens using Thunderbird

    And what happens when you do the same using outlookmail: or ms-outlook:
    as the URL scheme, as in:

    outlookmail:someone@somewhere.tld

    That should open the Outlook program. A toast presented by the Outlook
    program might use the outlookmail: protocol instead of mailto:.

    Just what program is opening the toast (notification)? I would think
    Tbird would use popup alerts, not Windows toasts. Considering
    Thunderbird is cross-platform, seems odd they would even bother
    supporting toasts which is a Windows thing. However, being
    cross-platform does not obviate taking advantages of an OS over another.

    You could disable Tbird using toasts. Then it will present popups. You
    can then differentiate between alerts from Tbird as popups and whatever
    other program is generating toasts (Windows notifications).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DgwAs9_RkY
    timemark 1:17
    Enable "Show alert" but disable "Use the system notification".

    Why have Outlook generating toasts if you aren't going to use Outlook,
    and want to use Thunderbird instead? I don't use Outlook to know if it
    has a setting to disable notifications (not its popup alert box, but not
    to use Windows notifications). I have Outlook installed as part of MS
    365, but have yet to use it, so no accounts defined in it yet. When I
    go to:

    Settings -> Notifications

    Outlook isn't listed as one I could switch off notifications. That
    could be due to not yet configuring Outlook.

    I find Windows notifications are unreliable. When they should show,
    they sometimes don't. While my e-mail program can use either popup
    alerts or Windows notifications, I grew weary of missing notifications
    (never showed up, or already expired so they disappear), so I configured
    my e-mail client to NOT use notifications, and instead use popup alerts.

    Notifications only remain on screen for a short time. You can up the
    show time to 5 seconds, 7 seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 1 minute, or
    5 minutes. Even 5 minutes isn't very long when you are away from your
    computer and return. You could be away for a lot longer than just 5
    minutes.

    https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/how_to_change_the_windows_10_notification_display_time.html

    As I recall, you can edit a registry setting for a longer up-time on
    toasts; however, Windows will ignore out-of-range values.

    https://winaero.com/how-to-change-how-long-notifications-stay-in-windows-11/ Note: You cannot set the MessageDuration value lower than 5 or above
    300. Windows 11 will simply ignore these out-of-range values.

    Same for Windows 10. 5 minutes is too short. Yeah, it's a long time
    when you're sitting at the computer, get the toast, and finish or get to
    a pause point with whatever you're doing at the time to then address the notification, but often it takes a lot longer than 5 minutes to pause my
    work, and I can be away from my computer for a lot longer than 5
    minutes. I don't ever remember having a meeting that was under 5
    minutes. Toasts are of value only when you're at the computer, and can interrupt whatever you're doing to switch to whatever the notification
    is about. If I have to visit the notification panel to catch any toasts
    that I missed, I might as well as load my e-mail client to check on new
    mails, calendar events, etc.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to winstonmvp@gmail.com on Thu Jan 18 18:08:47 2024
    "...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Hall wrote on 1/18/24 9:58 AM:
    In message <uobjbl$2lj5a$2@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
    <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> writes
    Jim the Geordie wrote:
    My default email client is set to Thunderbird.
    However if I click on an email in the notification panel in Wwindows (up >>>> to date), it opens the email in Outlook. Can I prevent that happening? >>>>

    Only at the expense of seriously crippling your Windows installation.
    MS have made Edge and Outlook essential parts of their OS, and they use
    strong tactics to keep it that way.

    Ed

    I don't have Outlook installed on my Windows 10 PC and Windows works
    perfectly fine.
    Windows built in(included) email client is name-branded as 'Outlook'
    => Outlook)the app) replaced the earlier included email client(app)
    which was name-branded as 'Windows Mail or Mail'. In other words, the
    app got a name change and a face-lift with some additional features.

    - i.e. it(Outlook app) is installed as a app package, not a application(program)
    ...and unlike Outlook(the program) that is installed with Microsoft 365 Personal and Family or stand-alone versions of Office that include Outlook(Home and Business).

    On a host where MS Office/365 or Outlook standalone was never installed,
    so just the Mail (rebranded Outlook) UWP app exists since it is bundled
    in Windows, is the URL:outlookmail protocol defined? I figured it only
    showed up if Outlook (the real program) were installed, and not because
    the Mail app was pre-bundled.

    Perhaps in their paint job on Mail to rebrand it as Outlook (Microsoft
    loves to confuse product names) they updated the URL protocols to add outlookmail: without any install of the real Outlook program. Their
    "Outlook for Windows" UWP app looks like the Mail UWP app with a paint
    job. I don't recall seeing the outlookmail: URL protocol before I
    installed the MS Outlook program.

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