• Making icons for todo checklist text files on the go using Windows & An

    From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 14 20:32:15 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    My memory is bad.
    And I run out of stuff.

    Every once in a while it comes to me I need to replenish a supply item.
    Maybe it's AAA batteries. Or epoxy. Spray paint. Mouse traps. Whatever.

    Invariably, a few hours later, I forget what it was that I was low on.
    Hence, when I'm at the store, I can't remember what it was I had needed.

    Too late, I only figure it out when at home I need it again. And I'm out.
    This is mostly for things I am just getting low on, or I just used up.
    Like, let's say, you you're getting low on whiteout or on scotch tape.

    It's not important enough for its own trip, so you put it on a list.
    You forget about it as you only need the list when you're at the store.

    At the store, all you have at that time, is your phone.
    And you can't remember what it was that you wanted to replenish.

    So I keep a plain ASCII text file on my phone that started from Windows. Starting from Windows, somehow, allows me to edit in any Android editor.
    (Don't ask me why or how that works as I don't understand how it works.)

    I keep a folder on the homescreen filled with text-reminder files.
    Organized by store type (hardware, grocery, clothing, whatever).

    Because my eyes are bad, I make the homescreen shortcut icon obvious.
    With a big bold very obvious store icon for each type of store text file.
    (The whole goal here is efficiency as you won't use it if it's not fast.)

    Like that big orange obvious you-can't-miss-it Home Depot icon image.

    When I'm at home, and I notice I'm low on ten-penny nails, I whip out the phone, tap the homedepot.txt shortcut icon & speak into the microphone
    "Ten penny nails" & then I slide the phone back into my pocket.

    Quick. Fast. Easy. Efficient. Otherwise I won't use it.

    Then, days or weeks later, I'm at the Home Depot wondering what I need.
    I whip out the phone, tap the homescreen HomeDepot icon & it reminds me.
    "Ten penny nails"

    With my bad eyes, I don't want to be reading the names on the files.
    I need some way to differentiate Home Depot from, oh, say, Costco.
    I want to see a big obvious orange HomeDepot icon standing out for me.

    Here's a neat but super duper simple trick to creating icons.
    To make those shortcut icons, I go to "images.google.com" web page.
    But I go no further than that one web page (which is the trick).

    Examples are Amazon, Target, Costco, A&P, GrandUnion, whatever.
    But let's say you want to make an icon for Home Depot, for example.

    The only icon web page you need to go to is this one page & stop there. https://www.google.com/search?q=home+depot&tbm=isch

    Instead of fighting the Google propensity to make it another fifty clicks before I can actually save an image file which is going to be too big,
    on Windows I just press the 'printscreen' button to copy the whole page.

    That's it.
    I'm done with obtaining the image.
    Now all I have to do is crop it and save it in the correct ratio & format.

    First I paste into Irfanview the whole page that the PrtScrn had saved.
    Then I crop out any desired image and save as a 1:1 ratio PNG file.

    It's not intuitive how to crop a square in Irfanview so I'll tell you how. Actually, t's rather tricky as there are many entree point to the crop GUI.

    Here's one way.

    While viewing the pasted results in Irfanview, press [Shift+C] to
    "Create custom selection" & select the "1:1" side ratio & save it.

    This will crop a 1:1 square (always of the wrong size & location)
    on your window which you then delicately move around and resize
    using a rather deft combination of your left & right mouse buttons.

    You can also use the "Alt" key while drawing the to-be-cropped box.
    Expect frustration, but you may get the hang of it after a few tries.

    Once you have the 1:1 square positioned & sized now you can crop.
    Press [Control+Y] and/or [Control+Shift+Y} to crop to your square.
    Save as a "PNG" file & copy over to the phone's icon directory.
    (For whatever reason, "ICO" files don't work on my Android phone.)

    The number of pixels don't really matter, which is why a screenshot
    of the google images works even better than does saving an ICO file.

    Besides, saving the image often requires visiting web pages.
    Each of which has cookie issues and watermark issues and the like.
    Just a screenshot of the Google Images results works better for icons.

    I can usually pick out a perfectly recognizable icon from this one page. https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=costco&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=target&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=auto+parts&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=dollar+store&tbm=isch
    And so on.

    On the phone, locate the homedepot.txt file & make a shortcut.
    Most Android file managers make shortcuts (eg https://mixplorer.com/). Longpress on the shortcut & set the icon to the one you copied over.

    After that, when you're rooting around in the garage toolbox and you
    suddenly notice you are getting low on yellow teflon tape (or whatever),
    you whip out your phone, tap the big fat orange recognizable homedepot homescreen shortcut icon, and speak into the microphone "teflon tape".

    If desired, you can replace the text editor with a checkbox app.
    Such as any one of these, but they don't allow a text file per store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ash.fly https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ctoad.android.DoBe2 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secuso.privacyfriendlytodolist

    If one of those todo checklist apps could save a separate text file,
    then they'd be OK but if you use multiple todo apps, you need to learn
    multiple GUIs where with a text file you only need to learn one GUI.

    Nice. Quick. Easy. Simple. Efficient.
    Improvements?

    One possible improvement is automatic syncronization of the todo files.

    To sync the Windows text files with Android & vice versa you can use any of
    the quick peer-to-peer file transfer solutions everyone uses such as
    USB (connect the cable for file transfer if you're close to the PC)
    Bluetooth (use the Windows fsquirt.exe file transfer if you're not)
    WebRTC (use webrtc like https://www.sharedrop.io/ if bridging networks)
    WebDAV (set up the Android phone over Wi-Fi to mount as a drive letter)
    sdcard (use the sdcard if all else fails syncing over your local network)

    I don't know of any ready-made built-in Windows sync-to-android automated solutions (where you populate a folder with text files & it's always
    synced) but they probably exist - which would be an improvement on this.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Sun Jan 14 19:45:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

    I don't know of any ready-made built-in Windows sync-to-android
    automated solutions (where you populate a folder with text files &
    it's always synced) but they probably exist - which would be an
    improvement on this.

    Google Drive
    OneDrive
    Dropbox
    and other file sync services where they have an app for Windows,
    Android, and iOS, and sync via cloud to many devices. You need an
    account at the cloud sync service.

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sun Jan 14 21:15:48 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 19:45:11 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

    I don't know of any ready-made built-in Windows sync-to-android
    automated solutions (where you populate a folder with text files &
    it's always synced) but they probably exist - which would be an
    improvement on this.

    Google Drive
    OneDrive
    Dropbox
    and other file sync services where they have an app for Windows,
    Android, and iOS, and sync via cloud to many devices. You need an
    account at the cloud sync service.

    The phone & the PC are always on the same Wi-Fi network all the time.
    So there shouldn't be any need to introduce an EXTRA Internet requirement.

    A long time ago I tried to set up a NextCloud server on my PC but most of
    those server solutions seem to require a standalone linux box to run it.

    All it really needs is some kind of rsync that syncs a folder over Wi-Fi. Especially when my Android phone is always mounted as the P: drive anyway.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 02:34:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Oscar Mayer wrote on Sun, 14 Jan 2024 21:15:48 -0500 :

    All it really needs is some kind of rsync that syncs a folder over Wi-Fi. Especially when my Android phone is always mounted as the P: drive anyway.

    Here are a dozen free file sync solutions but I don't know if they work. https://www.goodfirms.co/file-sync-software/blog/the-top-11-free-and-open-source-file-sync-software

    But you need to try each of them to see if they will sync with your phone. Probably take all day for the average Windows user to pick the best one.

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun Jan 14 21:43:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 02:34:11 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

    Here are a dozen free file sync solutions but I don't know if they work. https://www.goodfirms.co/file-sync-software/blog/the-top-11-free-and-open-source-file-sync-software

    I went through that long list of rsync freeware on Windows to make this
    list of what I will try, one by one, in this order (and I asked on the
    freeware newsgroup if they have suggestions for rsync on Windows too). https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/1aHsCcUKVe8

    https://owncloud.com/
    https://freefilesync.org/ & https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/synkron/ https://www.syncfolders.elementfx.com/home.html
    https://www.dirsyncpro.org/
    https://cyberduck.io/
    https://www.ubackup.com/free-backup-software.html https://www.goodfirms.co/software/dirsync-pro
    https://syncthing.net/
    https://pydio.com/ https://www.ascompsoftware.com/index.php?php=prog&prog=synchredible https://www.seafile.com/en/home/
    https://allwaysync.com/
    https://www.goodsync.com/

    One of those should be able to sync the phone which is always mounted using
    net use P: \\192.168.0.200@8080\SyncFolder

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Sun Jan 14 22:37:36 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/14/24 09:43 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 02:34:11 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

    Here are a dozen free file sync solutions but I don't know if they work.
    https://www.goodfirms.co/file-sync-software/blog/the-top-11-free-and-open-source-file-sync-software

    I went through that long list of rsync freeware on Windows to make this
    list of what I will try, one by one, in this order (and I asked on the freeware newsgroup if they have suggestions for rsync on Windows too). https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/1aHsCcUKVe8

    https://owncloud.com/
    https://freefilesync.org/ & https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/synkron/ https://www.syncfolders.elementfx.com/home.html
    https://www.dirsyncpro.org/
    https://cyberduck.io/
    https://www.ubackup.com/free-backup-software.html https://www.goodfirms.co/software/dirsync-pro
    https://syncthing.net/
    https://pydio.com/ https://www.ascompsoftware.com/index.php?php=prog&prog=synchredible https://www.seafile.com/en/home/
    https://allwaysync.com/
    https://www.goodsync.com/

    One of those should be able to sync the phone which is always mounted using net use P: \\192.168.0.200@8080\SyncFolder
    I'm entrenched in Google. I have Google home devices (2) in the house,
    and yell at google all the time to add stuff to lists.
    Google now stores the lists on Keep (keep.google.com). Used to be just shopping.google.com which meant it only did one list, not keep will make
    more lists. I use it for grocery shopping list. Like you, "hey google,
    add butter to the shopping list.". And bingo it's there.
    If you add the keep app on your phone. It's now there too. And you can
    go both ways, add / delete from phone shows on the computer if you go to keep.google.com.

    I have one list "shopping" so saying add to shopping list works.
    I could make a home depot and say "add to home depot list". Haven't
    tried it, but that's what it's all about. If you say add to home depot
    and there is no home depot list, it will ask if you want to make it.

    I've created the list 'shopping' and make it a list with check boxes so
    it's easy to check off the ones I get. You can put a label on each
    list that is a bit bolder and easier to see, also you can colorize each
    list. No icons however.

    I'm hooked. My son (35 years younger) got me into this.
    --
    Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
    Al

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to Big Al on Sun Jan 14 23:06:56 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Using <news:uo29a0$m39m$2@dont-email.me>, Big Al wrote:

    I'm hooked. My son (35 years younger) got me into this.

    Agree the online marketing attempts to lure us in are purposefully
    seductive where it's nice to know Google cares about our privacy.

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to Wolf Greenblatt on Sun Jan 14 23:20:30 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/14/24 11:06 PM, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
    Using <news:uo29a0$m39m$2@dont-email.me>, Big Al wrote:

    I'm hooked. My son (35 years younger) got me into this.

    Agree the online marketing attempts to lure us in are purposefully
    seductive where it's nice to know Google cares about our privacy.
    If they want to know I eat burritos and Cheerios, then all the better.
    maybe they'll show me some ads for better tasting burritos! :-)
    --
    Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
    Al

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 06:22:38 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 01/14/2024 8:32 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
    My memory is bad.
    And I run out of stuff.

    Every once in a while it comes to me I need to replenish a supply item.
    Maybe it's AAA batteries. Or epoxy. Spray paint. Mouse traps. Whatever.

    Invariably, a few hours later, I forget what it was that I was low on.
    Hence, when I'm at the store, I can't remember what it was I had needed.

    Too late, I only figure it out when at home I need it again. And I'm out. This is mostly for things I am just getting low on, or I just used up.
    Like, let's say, you you're getting low on whiteout or on scotch tape.

    It's not important enough for its own trip, so you put it on a list.
    You forget about it as you only need the list when you're at the store.

    At the store, all you have at that time, is your phone.
    And you can't remember what it was that you wanted to replenish.

    So I keep a plain ASCII text file on my phone that started from Windows. Starting from Windows, somehow, allows me to edit in any Android editor. (Don't ask me why or how that works as I don't understand how it works.)

    I keep a folder on the homescreen filled with text-reminder files.
    Organized by store type (hardware, grocery, clothing, whatever).

    Because my eyes are bad, I make the homescreen shortcut icon obvious.
    With a big bold very obvious store icon for each type of store text file. (The whole goal here is efficiency as you won't use it if it's not fast.)

    Like that big orange obvious you-can't-miss-it Home Depot icon image.

    When I'm at home, and I notice I'm low on ten-penny nails, I whip out the phone, tap the homedepot.txt shortcut icon & speak into the microphone
    "Ten penny nails" & then I slide the phone back into my pocket.

    Quick. Fast. Easy. Efficient. Otherwise I won't use it.

    Then, days or weeks later, I'm at the Home Depot wondering what I need.
    I whip out the phone, tap the homescreen HomeDepot icon & it reminds me.
    "Ten penny nails"

    With my bad eyes, I don't want to be reading the names on the files.
    I need some way to differentiate Home Depot from, oh, say, Costco.
    I want to see a big obvious orange HomeDepot icon standing out for me.

    Here's a neat but super duper simple trick to creating icons.
    To make those shortcut icons, I go to "images.google.com" web page.
    But I go no further than that one web page (which is the trick).

    Examples are Amazon, Target, Costco, A&P, GrandUnion, whatever.
    But let's say you want to make an icon for Home Depot, for example.

    The only icon web page you need to go to is this one page & stop there. https://www.google.com/search?q=home+depot&tbm=isch

    Instead of fighting the Google propensity to make it another fifty clicks before I can actually save an image file which is going to be too big,
    on Windows I just press the 'printscreen' button to copy the whole page.

    That's it.
    I'm done with obtaining the image.
    Now all I have to do is crop it and save it in the correct ratio & format.

    First I paste into Irfanview the whole page that the PrtScrn had saved.
    Then I crop out any desired image and save as a 1:1 ratio PNG file.

    It's not intuitive how to crop a square in Irfanview so I'll tell you how. Actually, t's rather tricky as there are many entree point to the crop GUI.

    Here's one way.

    While viewing the pasted results in Irfanview, press [Shift+C] to
    "Create custom selection" & select the "1:1" side ratio & save it.

    This will crop a 1:1 square (always of the wrong size & location)
    on your window which you then delicately move around and resize using a rather deft combination of your left & right mouse buttons.

    You can also use the "Alt" key while drawing the to-be-cropped box.
    Expect frustration, but you may get the hang of it after a few tries.
    Once you have the 1:1 square positioned & sized now you can crop.
    Press [Control+Y] and/or [Control+Shift+Y} to crop to your square.
    Save as a "PNG" file & copy over to the phone's icon directory.
    (For whatever reason, "ICO" files don't work on my Android phone.)

    The number of pixels don't really matter, which is why a screenshot
    of the google images works even better than does saving an ICO file.

    Besides, saving the image often requires visiting web pages.
    Each of which has cookie issues and watermark issues and the like.
    Just a screenshot of the Google Images results works better for icons.

    I can usually pick out a perfectly recognizable icon from this one page. https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=costco&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=target&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=auto+parts&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=dollar+store&tbm=isch
    And so on.

    On the phone, locate the homedepot.txt file & make a shortcut.
    Most Android file managers make shortcuts (eg https://mixplorer.com/). Longpress on the shortcut & set the icon to the one you copied over.

    After that, when you're rooting around in the garage toolbox and you
    suddenly notice you are getting low on yellow teflon tape (or whatever),
    you whip out your phone, tap the big fat orange recognizable homedepot homescreen shortcut icon, and speak into the microphone "teflon tape".

    If desired, you can replace the text editor with a checkbox app.
    Such as any one of these, but they don't allow a text file per store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ash.fly https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ctoad.android.DoBe2 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secuso.privacyfriendlytodolist

    If one of those todo checklist apps could save a separate text file,
    then they'd be OK but if you use multiple todo apps, you need to learn multiple GUIs where with a text file you only need to learn one GUI.

    Nice. Quick. Easy. Simple. Efficient.
    Improvements?

    One possible improvement is automatic syncronization of the todo files.

    To sync the Windows text files with Android & vice versa you can use any of the quick peer-to-peer file transfer solutions everyone uses such as
    USB (connect the cable for file transfer if you're close to the PC)
    Bluetooth (use the Windows fsquirt.exe file transfer if you're not)
    WebRTC (use webrtc like https://www.sharedrop.io/ if bridging networks) WebDAV (set up the Android phone over Wi-Fi to mount as a drive letter) sdcard (use the sdcard if all else fails syncing over your local network)

    I don't know of any ready-made built-in Windows sync-to-android automated solutions (where you populate a folder with text files & it's always
    synced) but they probably exist - which would be an improvement on this.
    This does not sync with your computer, but I have it on my and my wife
    have it on out phone and find it works quite well for taking notes.
    It is called NOTEPADE FREE. You can create multiple notes, one note for
    any purpose you need.

    As for syncing with the computer, it seems my phone is near by when I am working on the computer, so when I remember something I need to get
    instead of typing in my compute, I reach for the phone and type it in
    there.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/datasafety?id=com.atomczak.notepat&hl=en_US&gl=US

    https://www.ldplayer.net/apps/notepad-simple-notes-on-pc.html

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 15:10:21 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Oscar Mayer wrote:

    One of those should be able to sync the phone which is always mounted using net use P: \\192.168.0.200@8080\SyncFolder

    I used to use Folder Sync Pro

    <https://foldersync.io>

    it runs on your android device and can sync to/from various cloud
    services as well as non-cloud servers such as smb, ftp etc

    I will say, I haven't had it installed for a few years now, mainly
    because I have gone the direction of cloud, but it still seems to be
    getting bug fixes ...

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 08:22:14 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    Note: Removed alt.home.repair in this reply as this does not seem an
    on-topic post to that newsgroup. (Didn't notice the unrelated newsgroup
    in my first reply.)

    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

    All it really needs is some kind of rsync that syncs a folder over Wi-Fi. Especially when my Android phone is always mounted as the P: drive anyway.

    Since the phone is always mounted as volume P: on your Windows host, why
    not use robocopy that comes with Windows? You could use a shorcut to
    run it manually with the parameters you choose? Or you could add an
    event to Task Scheduler to run periodically. Or Syncback (free or
    paid), or FreeFileSync? Those can be ran manually or scheduled, too.

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  • From Bill Bradshaw@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 08:28:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Oscar Mayer wrote:
    My memory is bad.
    And I run out of stuff.

    Every once in a while it comes to me I need to replenish a supply
    item. Maybe it's AAA batteries. Or epoxy. Spray paint. Mouse traps.
    Whatever.
    Invariably, a few hours later, I forget what it was that I was low on.
    Hence, when I'm at the store, I can't remember what it was I had
    needed.

    I find the simplest way to have a todo list is with a piece of paper and a
    pen. Of couse I am also person whom likes to have a paper pass to board an airplane.

    <Bill>

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to Big Al on Mon Jan 15 14:13:47 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 23:20:30 -0500, Big Al wrote:

    Agree the online marketing attempts to lure us in are purposefully
    seductive where it's nice to know Google cares about our privacy.

    If they want to know I eat burritos and Cheerios, then all the better.
    maybe they'll show me some ads for better tasting burritos! :-)

    Google seduces us with their easy-to-use solutions, all of which require us
    to maintain a database of who we are & of what we each do on their servers

    Luckily, for every seductive ploy Google uses to entrap us into storing
    data on their servers, a team of developers is crafting an open-source replacement that does the same thing - but with less convenience.

    It's a quid pro quo trade of Google convenience for open source privacy.
    The cost of that open source privacy is you have to figure it out yourself.

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Mon Jan 15 15:10:16 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

    All it really needs is some kind of rsync that syncs a folder over Wi-Fi.
    Especially when my Android phone is always mounted as the P: drive anyway.

    Since the phone is always mounted as volume P: on your Windows host, why
    not use robocopy that comes with Windows? You could use a shorcut to
    run it manually with the parameters you choose? Or you could add an
    event to Task Scheduler to run periodically. Or Syncback (free or
    paid), or FreeFileSync? Those can be ran manually or scheduled, too.

    Much appreciated the suggestion of something you called "robocopy" on Win.

    Given the phone is always mounted as the "P:" drive (P stands for phone),
    I agree with you that Windows must have had some sort of syncing commands.

    Looking up this robocopy (which I had never heard of before), is this it? C:\Windows\system32\Robocopy.exe

    What I'd want to do is automatically sync these two folders once a day.
    C:\Sync folder\{amazon.txt,costco.txt,homedepot.txt}
    P:\Sync Folder\{amazon.txt,costco.txt,homedepot.txt}

    All I need is an easy way to sync folders if I can figure out the syntax. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/whats-new-in-windows-7-robocopy

    At this moment there are too many "easy robo copy gui's" to choose from.

    As a google "easy robo copy" search comes up with at least a half dozen. https://www.codeitbro.com/best-robocopy-gui-for-windows/
    1. ChoEazyCopy
    https://github.com/Cinchoo/ChoEazyCopy/releases
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/eazycopy-a-robocopy-gui/
    2. Easy robocopy
    https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/easy_robocopy.html
    3. TurnsSoft Robocop Robocopy
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/robocoprobocopy/
    4. Robomirror
    https://www.snapfiles.com/get/robomirror.html
    5. SH Robocopy GUI
    https://www.sh-soft.com/front_content.php?idart=191
    6. WinRoboCopy
    http://www.upway2late.com/#/projects/winrobocopy
    7. Robocopy GUI
    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/technet-magazine/cc160891(v=msdn.10)

    Which of those easy robocopy gui's is the one that most people use?

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  • From Charlie@21:1/5 to Wolf Greenblatt on Mon Jan 15 13:46:01 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On this Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:13:47 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

    It's a quid pro quo trade of Google convenience for open source privacy.
    The cost of that open source privacy is you have to figure it out yourself.

    The main advantage of Google/Dropbox/iCloud/OneDrive is there aren't too
    many to choose from so you only have to learn one synchronization/copy way.

    Although there is one "Microsoft way" to synchronize files you could learn. microsoft synctoy package https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/synctoy-and-windows-11/bb4b8c90-a2c9-4224-9000-e32dd31b8ad7
    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/where-to-download-synctoy-for-windows-10/644e6395-b1d3-4627-8104-771315b2d870
    https://m.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/microsoft_synctoy_for_windows_xp,1.html https://files1.majorgeeks.com/10afebdbffcd4742c81a3cb0f6ce4092156b4375/drives/Microsoft%20SyncToy%20x86%20x64.zip
    Name: Microsoft SyncToy x86 x64.zip
    Size: 6607209 bytes (6452 KiB)
    SHA256: 5A1D93493E9AC0514F396F9CEA96BAA057ABBBBBF58369C9B8D05901210820BF

    The main disadvantage of 3rd-party copy/sync solutions is learning them.

    dsynchronize
    http://dimio.altervista.org/eng/dsynchronize/dsynchronize.html http://dimiodati.altervista.org/zip/dsynchronize.html http://dimiodati.altervista.org/zip/dsynchronize.zip
    Name: dsynchronize.zip
    Size: 1785016 bytes (1743 KiB)
    SHA256: EC7486D01AFDA8A229BD6C78D709ACB85704C3B7FC899931B78489960CBA63A3

    fastcopy
    https://fastcopy.jp/ & https://fastcopy.jp/help/fastcopy_eng.htm https://fastcopy.jp/archive/FastCopy5.5.0_installer.exe https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FastCopyLab/FastCopyDist2/main/FastCopy5.5.0_installer.exe
    Name: FastCopy5.5.0_installer.exe
    Size: 4849032 bytes (4735 KiB)
    SHA256: 87444AA9806990220DD5767E61AF11B69DB0E9A8121A616B9F5670A508603AA9

    freefilesync
    https://freefilesync.org
    https://freefilesync.org/download.php https://freefilesync.org/download/FreeFileSync_13.3_Windows_Setup.exe
    Name: FreeFileSync_13.3_Windows_Setup.exe
    Size: 20378696 bytes (19 MiB)
    SHA256: 2D88616AF3C522539B88CE05B1039EDDD9D18308D358EAC758BF8A0D304EE70C

    goodsync
    https://www.goodsync.com/ https://www.goodsync.com/download/GoodSync-vsub-Setup.exe
    Name: GoodSync-vsub-Setup.exe
    Size: 69273408 bytes (66 MiB)
    SHA256: 978373309AFFC12580E23FE881AB346DC811F640D33929AB8A2FED748E335908

    resilio file sync
    https://www.resilio.com/individuals/ https://download-cdn.resilio.com/stable/windows64/Resilio-Sync_x64.exe
    Name: 20240115_Resilio-Sync_x64.exe
    Size: 35650176 bytes (33 MiB)
    SHA256: DC9C72E709CC7A2EA74999CE3756E6F4879CD6EAE50A888A1F8CA011A1D6EFA3

    syncback
    https://www.2brightsparks.com/download-syncbackfree.html
    Administrators only https://www.2brightsparks.com/assets/software/SyncBack_Setup.exe
    Name: SyncBack_Setup.exe
    Size: 42611680 bytes (40 MiB)
    SHA256: 2CF45EAA8ED1BF3769C40D5D8AB61CA128712A246734DF34AA7A6D5D1DE6FB57
    Users & admins installer https://www.2brightsparks.com/assets/software/SyncBack_Setup_NE.exe
    Name: SyncBack_Setup_NE.exe
    Size: 42611544 bytes (40 MiB)
    SHA256: 6D37AF558149AA620D0CAA8C5C258958CBB213D47D59BE2159F221FF55E5847A

    With all that being said, I'd probably choose the "Microsoft Way" method
    as it has the best hopes of working out of the box on all Windows PCs.

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 20:57:58 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Oscar Mayer wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

    All it really needs is some kind of rsync that syncs a folder over
    Wi-Fi.
    Especially when my Android phone is always mounted as the P: drive
    anyway.

    Since the phone is always mounted as volume P: on your Windows host, why
    not use robocopy that comes with Windows?  You could use a shortcut to
    run it manually with the parameters you choose?  Or you could add an
    event to Task Scheduler to run periodically.  Or Syncback (free or
    paid), or FreeFileSync?  Those can be ran manually or scheduled, too.

    Much appreciated the suggestion of something you called "robocopy" on Win.

    Given the phone is always mounted as the "P:" drive (P stands for
    phone), I agree with you that Windows must have had some sort of syncing commands.

    Clearly the phone is not mounted when it is in your pocket at the shop!

    Looking up this robocopy (which I had never heard of before), is this it? C:\Windows\system32\Robocopy.exe
    What I'd want to do is automatically sync these two folders once a day. C:\Sync folder\{amazon.txt,costco.txt,homedepot.txt}
    P:\Sync Folder\{amazon.txt,costco.txt,homedepot.txt}

    All I need is an easy way to sync folders if I can figure out the syntax.

    [snip]

    Prepare a script in a batch file and set the scheduler to invoke it.
    Example script follows. Beware the line breaks introduced by your
    newsreader. If you must use spaces in file or folder name arguments
    make sure you enclose the arguments with double quotes.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    ECHO OFF

    :: :: is the Comment marker

    :: You might care to test that the P: device is actually present
    :: before running the script
    :: I always make the script write a log file, so you can check
    :: that is has worked properly


    SET What=/COPY:DT /XO /MIR

    :: /COPYALL= COPY ALL file info
    :: /COPY: = What to COPY (default is /COPY:DAT)
    :: : D=Data, A=Attributes S=Security=NTFS ACLs, O=Owner info, U=aUditing info)
    :: /ZB = Try restartable copy then fall back to Backup mode if restartable fails.
    :: /SEC = copy files with SECurity
    :: /MIR = MIRror a directory tree
    :: /XO = exclude older files
    :: /XD dirs = exclude directories
    :: /XJ = exclude junction points

    SET Options=/R:0 /W:0 /FFT

    :: /R:n = number of Retries
    :: /W:n = Wait time between retries
    :: /FFT = 2-second timestamp granularity

    SET Logging=/LOG:C:\Logs\RoboLog.txt /NDL /TEE /NP

    :: /LOG = Output log file (overwrite)
    :: /LOG+ = Output log file (append)
    :: /NFL = No file logging
    :: /NDL = No dir logging
    :: /NP = don't show progress
    :: /TEE = simultaneous output to screen & log file
    :: /L = output only the list of files to be copied


    :: Note the double quotes below

    SET Source="C:\Source Folder\*.txt"
    SET Dest="P:\Destination Folder"
    ROBOCOPY %Source% %Dest% %What% %Options% %Logging%

    EXIT

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Good luck.


    --
    Graham J

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Charlie on Mon Jan 15 21:56:33 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Charlie wrote on Mon, 15 Jan 2024 13:46:01 -0700 :

    With all that being said, I'd probably choose the "Microsoft Way" method
    as it has the best hopes of working out of the box on all Windows PCs.

    Which Microsoft Way is the "right way" to gui robocopy from Microsoft?

    Microsoft Sync Toy Gui [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncToy]
    Microsoft Rich Copy Gui [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RichCopy]
    Microsoft Robo Copy Gui [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocopy]

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 22:21:19 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:10:16 -0500, Oscar Mayer wrote:

    7. Robocopy GUI
    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/technet-magazine/cc160891(v=msdn.10)

    Long story short, get Microsoft's RichCopy instead of Microsoft's RoboCopy. https://web.archive.org/web/20190921232753/http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/d/0/fd05def7-68a1-4f71-8546-25c359cc0842/HoffmanUtilitySpotlight2009_04.exe

    Microsoft deprecated its Microsoft Robo Copy Gui in favor of Microsoft's
    Rich Copy Gui. At least it says so according to your link above https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/technet-magazine/cc160891(v=msdn.10)
    "Be sure to read our latest article on the new RichCopy tool - a free new utility which offers a number of improvements over Robocopy GUI."

    That update points to the official replacement for robocopy by Microsoft. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/technet-magazine/dd547088(v=msdn.10)
    Robocopy GUI (see "Utility Spotlight Robocopy GUI"). This simple tool was written by a Microsoft engineer named Derk Benisch, and all it really did
    was create a graphical interface for the very popular Robocopy command-line utility, which provided file copying capabilities far beyond what was built into Windows. Believe it or not, more than two years later, the Robocopy
    GUI article remains the single most popular piece of content we've ever published, having been viewed well over 220,000 times.

    Needless to say, this speaks far more to the value of the tool than to the quality of my writing. Nevertheless, it also makes perfectly clear just how crucial certain simple tasks are in our day-to-day lives, and how
    staggering an impact even a small improvement in performing those critical tasks can make.

    In this case, we're discussing the simplest of tasks: copying files. Except copying files is not always that simple. What if you're copying thousands
    of files across a slow connection? What happens if your network hiccups and interrupts the copy? What if you want to make sure that you preserve
    particular file attributes, such as a Last Modified date, but not other attributes, like security descriptors? What if you want to filter the files you're copying from source to destination based on filename or extension?

    If any of these apply to you, the simple Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combination probably won't cut it. And though Robocopy GUI certainly improves on that basic functionality, it still has some limitations in terms of granular control
    and usability. What you need is RichCopy.

    RichCopy is a free utility that comes to us from Ken Tamaru of Microsoft.
    The tool was first developed in 2001 and has been updated regularly to keep pace with evolving needs. Trust me when I tell you, this is the answer to
    all your file copying needs. What you'll find most striking the first time
    you take RichCopy out for a spin is that it's a multithreaded copying tool. That means that rather than copying one file at a time in serial order, RichCopy can open multiple threads simultaneously, allowing many files to
    be copied in parallel and cutting the total time required to complete the operation several times over. You can also pause and resume file copy operations, so if you lose network connectivity at any point, you can just
    pick up where you left off.

    Of course, these are really just the simplest features of RichCopy. As
    Figure 1 shows, you also get a vast array of granular controls that allow
    you to customize all of those fancy aspects of your file copying that I
    talked about earlier¡Xfiltering files, saving attributes, adjusting cache
    size, and so on. If you regularly copy lots of files over the network or between various storage devices, these features will significantly ease
    your daily life.

    Does anyone have a pointer to the Joshua Hoffman RichCopy tool? https://tecexpertz.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/utility-spotlight-richcopy/ HoffmanUtilitySpotlight2009_04.exe https://www.google.com/search?q=HoffmanUtilitySpotlight2009_04.exe https://web.archive.org/web/20190921232753/http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/d/0/fd05def7-68a1-4f71-8546-25c359cc0842/HoffmanUtilitySpotlight2009_04.exe
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190921232753if_/http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/d/0/fd05def7-68a1-4f71-8546-25c359cc0842/HoffmanUtilitySpotlight2009_04.exe

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 16:16:41 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Oscar Mayer wrote on 1/14/2024 8:32 PM:
    My memory is bad.
    And I run out of stuff.

    Every once in a while it comes to me I need to replenish a supply item.
    Maybe it's AAA batteries. Or epoxy. Spray paint. Mouse traps. Whatever.

    Invariably, a few hours later, I forget what it was that I was low on.
    Hence, when I'm at the store, I can't remember what it was I had needed.

    Too late, I only figure it out when at home I need it again. And I'm out. This is mostly for things I am just getting low on, or I just used up.
    Like, let's say, you you're getting low on whiteout or on scotch tape.

    It's not important enough for its own trip, so you put it on a list.
    You forget about it as you only need the list when you're at the store.

    At the store, all you have at that time, is your phone.
    And you can't remember what it was that you wanted to replenish.

    So I keep a plain ASCII text file on my phone that started from Windows. Starting from Windows, somehow, allows me to edit in any Android editor. (Don't ask me why or how that works as I don't understand how it works.)

    I keep a folder on the homescreen filled with text-reminder files.
    Organized by store type (hardware, grocery, clothing, whatever).

    Because my eyes are bad, I make the homescreen shortcut icon obvious.
    With a big bold very obvious store icon for each type of store text file. (The whole goal here is efficiency as you won't use it if it's not fast.)

    Like that big orange obvious you-can't-miss-it Home Depot icon image.

    When I'm at home, and I notice I'm low on ten-penny nails, I whip out the phone, tap the homedepot.txt shortcut icon & speak into the microphone
    "Ten penny nails" & then I slide the phone back into my pocket.

    Quick. Fast. Easy. Efficient. Otherwise I won't use it.

    Then, days or weeks later, I'm at the Home Depot wondering what I need.
    I whip out the phone, tap the homescreen HomeDepot icon & it reminds me.
    "Ten penny nails"

    With my bad eyes, I don't want to be reading the names on the files.
    I need some way to differentiate Home Depot from, oh, say, Costco.
    I want to see a big obvious orange HomeDepot icon standing out for me.

    Here's a neat but super duper simple trick to creating icons.
    To make those shortcut icons, I go to "images.google.com" web page.
    But I go no further than that one web page (which is the trick).

    Examples are Amazon, Target, Costco, A&P, GrandUnion, whatever.
    But let's say you want to make an icon for Home Depot, for example.

    The only icon web page you need to go to is this one page & stop there. https://www.google.com/search?q=home+depot&tbm=isch

    Instead of fighting the Google propensity to make it another fifty clicks before I can actually save an image file which is going to be too big,
    on Windows I just press the 'printscreen' button to copy the whole page.

    That's it.
    I'm done with obtaining the image.
    Now all I have to do is crop it and save it in the correct ratio &
    format.

    First I paste into Irfanview the whole page that the PrtScrn had saved.
    Then I crop out any desired image and save as a 1:1 ratio PNG file.

    It's not intuitive how to crop a square in Irfanview so I'll tell you
    how.
    Actually, t's rather tricky as there are many entree point to the crop
    GUI.

    Here's one way.

    While viewing the pasted results in Irfanview, press [Shift+C] to
    "Create custom selection" & select the "1:1" side ratio & save it.

    This will crop a 1:1 square (always of the wrong size & location)
    on your window which you then delicately move around and resize using
    a rather deft combination of your left & right mouse buttons.

    You can also use the "Alt" key while drawing the to-be-cropped box.
    Expect frustration, but you may get the hang of it after a few tries.
    Once you have the 1:1 square positioned & sized now you can crop.
    Press [Control+Y] and/or [Control+Shift+Y} to crop to your square.
    Save as a "PNG" file & copy over to the phone's icon directory.
    (For whatever reason, "ICO" files don't work on my Android phone.)

    The number of pixels don't really matter, which is why a screenshot
    of the google images works even better than does saving an ICO file.

    Besides, saving the image often requires visiting web pages.
    Each of which has cookie issues and watermark issues and the like.
    Just a screenshot of the Google Images results works better for icons.

    I can usually pick out a perfectly recognizable icon from this one page. https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=costco&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=target&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=auto+parts&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=dollar+store&tbm=isch
    And so on.

    On the phone, locate the homedepot.txt file & make a shortcut.
    Most Android file managers make shortcuts (eg https://mixplorer.com/). Longpress on the shortcut & set the icon to the one you copied over.

    After that, when you're rooting around in the garage toolbox and you
    suddenly notice you are getting low on yellow teflon tape (or whatever),
    you whip out your phone, tap the big fat orange recognizable homedepot homescreen shortcut icon, and speak into the microphone "teflon tape".

    If desired, you can replace the text editor with a checkbox app.
    Such as any one of these, but they don't allow a text file per store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ash.fly https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ctoad.android.DoBe2 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secuso.privacyfriendlytodolist


    If one of those todo checklist apps could save a separate text file,
    then they'd be OK but if you use multiple todo apps, you need to learn multiple GUIs where with a text file you only need to learn one GUI.

    Nice. Quick. Easy. Simple. Efficient.
    Improvements?

    One possible improvement is automatic syncronization of the todo files.

    To sync the Windows text files with Android & vice versa you can use
    any of
    the quick peer-to-peer file transfer solutions everyone uses such as
    USB (connect the cable for file transfer if you're close to the PC)
    Bluetooth (use the Windows fsquirt.exe file transfer if you're not)
    WebRTC (use webrtc like https://www.sharedrop.io/ if bridging networks) WebDAV (set up the Android phone over Wi-Fi to mount as a drive letter) sdcard (use the sdcard if all else fails syncing over your local network)

    I don't know of any ready-made built-in Windows sync-to-android automated solutions (where you populate a folder with text files & it's always
    synced) but they probably exist - which would be an improvement on this.


    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to
    remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Mon Jan 15 15:35:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    Note: Removed alt.home.repair in my reply as this issue seems off-topic
    to that newsgroup.

    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

    All it really needs is some kind of rsync that syncs a folder over Wi-Fi. >>> Especially when my Android phone is always mounted as the P: drive anyway. >>
    Since the phone is always mounted as volume P: on your Windows host, why
    not use robocopy that comes with Windows? You could use a shorcut to
    run it manually with the parameters you choose? Or you could add an
    event to Task Scheduler to run periodically. Or Syncback (free or
    paid), or FreeFileSync? Those can be ran manually or scheduled, too.

    Much appreciated the suggestion of something you called "robocopy" on Win.

    Given the phone is always mounted as the "P:" drive (P stands for
    phone), I agree with you that Windows must have had some sort of
    syncing commands.

    Looking up this robocopy (which I had never heard of before), is this it? C:\Windows\system32\Robocopy.exe

    What I'd want to do is automatically sync these two folders once a day. C:\Sync folder\{amazon.txt,costco.txt,homedepot.txt}
    P:\Sync Folder\{amazon.txt,costco.txt,homedepot.txt}

    All I need is an easy way to sync folders if I can figure out the syntax. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/whats-new-in-windows-7-robocopy

    At this moment there are too many "easy robo copy gui's" to choose
    from.

    I never used a GUI frontend to robocopy. I just use it at the command
    prompt. To get help on robocopy, run:

    robocopy /?

    A couple parameters I almost always use with robocopy are /r and /w.
    The defaults are way too long: 1 million retries at 30 seconds each
    retry is 500K seconds, or 347 days. I shorten to 10 retries (/r:10) and
    10 seconds (/w:10) for a total of up to 100 seconds to keep retrying a
    failed copy.

    robocopy does not support VSC (Volume Shadow Copy) service which means
    if a file is locked then robocopy cannot copy it. SyncBack requires a
    paid version to support VSC. FreeFileSync (free) says it supports VSC. Syncback and FreeFileSync have GUI frontends.

    My guess is you want to mirror folders on Windows to Android, so use the
    /mir parameter in robocopy. Before commiting the changes, you can use
    the /L parameter which only lists what would've happened without it.
    When you are ready then remove /L to commit the actions. You can add /v
    for verbose output to see what files would get skipped.

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  • From Jan K.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 15 23:21:30 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    W Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:28:00 -0900, Bill Bradshaw napisal:

    I find the simplest way to have a todo list is with a piece of paper and a pen. Of couse I am also person whom likes to have a paper pass to board an airplane.

    There used to be a super copier called "supercopier", which I think
    (according to a wikisearch just now) was superseded by the ultra copier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultracopier

    From that link I easily found the Windows version of Ultracopier. https://ultracopier.herman-brule.com/ https://cdn.confiared.com/ultracopier.herman-brule.com/files/2.2.6.8/ultracopier-windows-x86_64-2.2.6.8-setup.exe

    But even though it says it has Android apk packages, I couldn't find any. https://github.com/alphaonex86/Ultracopier

    Is it possible to build the Android package from that github source?

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Jan 15 17:49:30 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 21:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

    With all that being said, I'd probably choose the "Microsoft Way" method
    as it has the best hopes of working out of the box on all Windows PCs.

    Which Microsoft Way is the "right way" to gui robocopy from Microsoft?

    Microsoft Sync Toy Gui [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncToy]
    Microsoft Rich Copy Gui [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RichCopy]
    Microsoft Robo Copy Gui [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocopy]

    I don't know which one is the right one but I downloaded all of them.

    ROBOCOPY ROBOCOPY GUI: https://web.archive.org/web/20111205132928/https:/download.microsoft.com/download/f/d/0/fd05def7-68a1-4f71-8546-25c359cc0842/utilityspotlight2006_11.exe

    RICHCOPY ROBOCOPY GUI: https://web.archive.org/web/20110608192005/https:/download.microsoft.com/download/f/d/0/fd05def7-68a1-4f71-8546-25c359cc0842/hoffmanutilityspotlight2009_04.exe

    SYNCTOY ROBOCOPY GUI: https://web.archive.org/web/20190326050936/https://download.microsoft.com/download/6/c/4/6c406239-a648-4e01-833e-2c452deed3b6/SyncToySetupPackage_v21_x64.exe

    They're pretty difficult to find so I'd advise people saving them now.

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  • From Ronald@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Tue Jan 16 00:10:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Using <news:%ghpN.6515$t3Rc.3937@fx06.ams1>, Mighty Wannabe wrote:

    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.

    There is an Android app made exactly for syncing text files with Windows. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes

    Take your many text note files wherever you are, and share them between
    your Android and Windows devices using the FOSS Silent Notes app.

    Beside writing of traditional notes, you can also create to-do lists to
    keep track of your pending tasks.

    Write the notes in an easily operated WYSIWYG editor.
    Create To-Do lists to keep an overview of your pending tasks.
    Protect selected notes with a user defined password.
    Organize and filter the notes with a tagging system.
    Quickly find the right note with the full-text search, just by typing a few letters.
    Store the notes to an online-storage of your choice (self hosting), this
    allows to synchronize them between devices and offers an easy backup.
    Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol, Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive.
    The notes never leave the device unencrypted, they are end-to-end encrypted
    and can only be read on your devices.
    A dark theme is available for more comfortable working in dark environment.
    Use basic formatting to structure your notes and make them more readable.
    Get a note back from the recycle-bin if it was deleted by accident.
    SilentNotes does not collect user information and requires no unnecessary privileges, thus the name silent notes.
    SilentNotes is an open source project, its source code can be verified on GitHub.

    SilentNotes is a note taking app which respects your privacy.

    SilentNotes doesn't collect personal data, runs free of ads and is an open source (FOSS) software. Write your notes in a comfortable WYSIWYG editor
    with basic formatting like headers or lists, and synchronize them
    end-to-end encrypted between Android and Windows devices.

    Additionally the notes can be password protected with your own password,
    and quickly found with a full-text search.

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 13:29:28 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    In article <%ghpN.6515$t3Rc.3937@fx06.ams1>, =?UTF-8?B? 8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote...

    ...


    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.

    OneNote is an even better option. It comes with Windows 10, and there's an Android version. One page per store - bigger font for use when shopping, etc, etc. I've formed the habit of triggering a sync to the cloud manually, after once finding myself in store with an out-of-date list (until I stepped out and synched via cellular signal).

    (I have to say I'm a big fan of OneNote - it's become the "index" to everything I do.)

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Tue Jan 16 08:32:51 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

    OneNote is an even better option. It comes with Windows 10, and there's an Android version. One page per store - bigger font for use when shopping, etc,
    etc. I've formed the habit of triggering a sync to the cloud manually, after once finding myself in store with an out-of-date list (until I stepped out and
    synched via cellular signal).

    (I have to say I'm a big fan of OneNote - it's become the "index" to everything
    I do.)

    I use OneNote both on my Windows desktp and Android smartphone. It's
    free for both platforms. However, the OP doesn't want a cloud solution
    where clients sync to an account on a server. He wants a local network (intranetwork) solution.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Tue Jan 16 09:37:46 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Philip Herlihy wrote on 1/16/2024 8:29 AM:
    In article <%ghpN.6515$t3Rc.3937@fx06.ams1>, =?UTF-8?B? 8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote...
    ...

    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to
    remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.
    OneNote is an even better option. It comes with Windows 10, and there's an Android version. One page per store - bigger font for use when shopping, etc,
    etc. I've formed the habit of triggering a sync to the cloud manually, after once finding myself in store with an out-of-date list (until I stepped out and
    synched via cellular signal).

    (I have to say I'm a big fan of OneNote - it's become the "index" to everything
    I do.)


    Thanks for the info. I am sure many people will find OneNote helpful if
    they don't mind uploading their data in their computers and cellphones
    to Microsoft's "cloud" database.

    I have an innate aversion to allowing Google, Microsoft, or any tech
    company to silently sync the content of my computer and cellphone to
    their database.

    I use a notepad type of app in my cellphone to organize what I am
    supposed to buy from each store. I always bring my cellphone with me
    when I leave home, so there is no need to leave a copy in my home
    computer or the "cloud". I don't have important data in my phone, but
    there are a lot of important data in my computer that I don't want to
    store in some Big Tech's database. I use a portable backup hard drive (5
    TB) for my computers at home instead of the convenience of the "cloud".

    I do use Google Drive as cloud storage mainly for sharing large files
    with friends, but I don't log into Google Drive when I am not uploading
    to or downloading from it.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Ronald on Tue Jan 16 12:06:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Ronald wrote on 1/16/2024 12:10 AM:
    Using <news:%ghpN.6515$t3Rc.3937@fx06.ams1>, Mighty Wannabe wrote:

    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to
    remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.
    There is an Android app made exactly for syncing text files with Windows. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes

    Take your many text note files wherever you are, and share them between
    your Android and Windows devices using the FOSS Silent Notes app.

    Beside writing of traditional notes, you can also create to-do lists to
    keep track of your pending tasks.

    Write the notes in an easily operated WYSIWYG editor.
    Create To-Do lists to keep an overview of your pending tasks.
    Protect selected notes with a user defined password.
    Organize and filter the notes with a tagging system.
    Quickly find the right note with the full-text search, just by typing a few letters.
    Store the notes to an online-storage of your choice (self hosting), this allows to synchronize them between devices and offers an easy backup. Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol, Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive.
    The notes never leave the device unencrypted, they are end-to-end encrypted and can only be read on your devices.
    A dark theme is available for more comfortable working in dark environment. Use basic formatting to structure your notes and make them more readable.
    Get a note back from the recycle-bin if it was deleted by accident. SilentNotes does not collect user information and requires no unnecessary privileges, thus the name silent notes.
    SilentNotes is an open source project, its source code can be verified on GitHub.

    SilentNotes is a note taking app which respects your privacy.

    SilentNotes doesn't collect personal data, runs free of ads and is an open source (FOSS) software. Write your notes in a comfortable WYSIWYG editor
    with basic formatting like headers or lists, and synchronize them
    end-to-end encrypted between Android and Windows devices.

    Additionally the notes can be password protected with your own password,
    and quickly found with a full-text search.

    This "SilentNotes" looks like a good app. Thanks. Maybe I will try this
    on my Android phone. I don't care about the syncing part. I'll just use
    it strictly on my phone.

    I checked out the website. I like the feature of checkbox beside the
    item instead of having to delete the item when done, because some items
    like groceries are repetitive so that you have to buy again in a few weeks.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 11:25:19 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <@.> wrote:

    Philip Herlihy wrote on 1/16/2024 8:29 AM:
    In article <%ghpN.6515$t3Rc.3937@fx06.ams1>, =?UTF-8?B?
    8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote...
    ...

    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to
    remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.
    OneNote is an even better option. It comes with Windows 10, and there's an >> Android version. One page per store - bigger font for use when shopping, etc,
    etc. I've formed the habit of triggering a sync to the cloud manually, after
    once finding myself in store with an out-of-date list (until I stepped out and
    synched via cellular signal).

    (I have to say I'm a big fan of OneNote - it's become the "index" to everything
    I do.)


    Thanks for the info. I am sure many people will find OneNote helpful if
    they don't mind uploading their data in their computers and cellphones
    to Microsoft's "cloud" database.

    I have an innate aversion to allowing Google, Microsoft, or any tech
    company to silently sync the content of my computer and cellphone to
    their database.

    You can encrypt sections of a notebook. Not even Microsoft has the key.
    It's endpoint encryption. If you forget the password, kiss you data
    goodbye.

    Instead of on sections, I wish they would let me encrypt on notebook granularity: encrypt the notebook, and all sections within are also
    encrypted. I don't encrypt the grocery or other shopping lists. I do
    encrypt any section that has sensitive data within it.

    Just like when using OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox, and other cloud-
    based file storage, if the files have sensitive data, encrypt them
    before putting on OneDrive. Don't expect them to protect your data if
    you don't.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Ronald on Tue Jan 16 13:02:14 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Ronald wrote on 1/16/2024 12:10 AM:
    Using <news:%ghpN.6515$t3Rc.3937@fx06.ams1>, Mighty Wannabe wrote:

    I use an Android app called "WeNote". It works like a digital notebook
    in my cellphone. I can create many pages of notepaper in that app, and
    each notepaper can have a title of my description for that page.

    For me, I have created separate pages for the stores that I usually go
    to, like "Walmart", "Home Depot", "Dollar Store", "Supermarket", etc to
    remind myself what I need from that particular store, so that I won't
    have the problem of heading out to the store and forgot what I went
    there for while inside the store.
    There is an Android app made exactly for syncing text files with Windows. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes

    Take your many text note files wherever you are, and share them between
    your Android and Windows devices using the FOSS Silent Notes app.

    Beside writing of traditional notes, you can also create to-do lists to
    keep track of your pending tasks.

    Write the notes in an easily operated WYSIWYG editor.
    Create To-Do lists to keep an overview of your pending tasks.
    Protect selected notes with a user defined password.
    Organize and filter the notes with a tagging system.
    Quickly find the right note with the full-text search, just by typing a few letters.
    Store the notes to an online-storage of your choice (self hosting), this allows to synchronize them between devices and offers an easy backup. Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol, Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive.
    The notes never leave the device unencrypted, they are end-to-end encrypted and can only be read on your devices.
    A dark theme is available for more comfortable working in dark environment. Use basic formatting to structure your notes and make them more readable.
    Get a note back from the recycle-bin if it was deleted by accident. SilentNotes does not collect user information and requires no unnecessary privileges, thus the name silent notes.
    SilentNotes is an open source project, its source code can be verified on GitHub.

    SilentNotes is a note taking app which respects your privacy.

    SilentNotes doesn't collect personal data, runs free of ads and is an open source (FOSS) software. Write your notes in a comfortable WYSIWYG editor
    with basic formatting like headers or lists, and synchronize them
    end-to-end encrypted between Android and Windows devices.

    Additionally the notes can be password protected with your own password,
    and quickly found with a full-text search.

    I've downloaded "SilentNotes" from Google Store. I like it. I think this
    is a perfect app for making "to-do" lists

    Thanks for recommending this app. There are so many apps out there that
    I simply cannot spend hours to download and try them out to find a gem.
    I think I will use this one from now on.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Tue Jan 16 13:07:51 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    Mighty Wannabe <@.> wrote:

    I've downloaded "SilentNotes" from Google Store. I like it. I think this
    is a perfect app for making "to-do" lists

    Thanks for recommending this app. There are so many apps out there that
    I simply cannot spend hours to download and try them out to find a gem.
    I think I will use this one from now on.

    I went to the Google Play Store to see what SilentNotes looked like. My immediate reaction is it looks like Evernote. I haven't looked at
    Evernote for years, so its GUI might've changed since. SilentNotes says
    no ads, and its Play Store page doesn't mention ads, but no sync across devices. Evernote has sync across devices, but has in-app purchases (I
    don't how obnoxious are its ads), but the free version is too crippled.
    I recall there something overly limited about the free version of
    Evernotes, I didn't like its GUI. Joplin was a close competitor to
    Evernote, but you had to provide your own cloud sync across devices
    (e.g., OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox, etc). They have their own
    Joplin Cloud, but it's not free. I remember looking at Google Keep, but decided not to try it. I went with Microsoft's OneDrive which is free
    with no ads on both Windows and Android, and syncs across devices using
    the MS account (which I've used since MS acquired Hotmail in 1997).
    Almost any Windows and Android note apps that can share doc files can be synchronized using free file sync services (OneDrive, Google Drive,
    Dropbox, etc).

    Wannabe might not care about sync across devices, but the OP does
    although he's looking for an intranet or local solution, not something
    cloud based for sync, but then his solutions only work when his Android
    phone is connected as a P: drive to his Windows desktop, not when he
    uses his phone as a mobile device. I need cross-platform sync,
    especially when my phone is away from my desktop PC, so SilentNotes is
    not a choice for me unless I somehow combined it with cloud file storage already mentioned, but I'd need to find out if SilentNotes uses doc
    files of a common type that a Windows app can read. Looks good for a local-only note taker, though.

    For simple to-do lists, and an Android local-only solution, I've used
    the QuickMemo app (no longer at Play Store) that came bundled on my
    phone. The Plus version at the Play Store is adware, so I don't
    recommend it, and it not an extended or forked version of LG's app. I
    don't have other smartphones to see what note app might be bundled with
    other brands of phones, or in later versions of Android.

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 14:57:33 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/16/2024 1:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    I've downloaded "SilentNotes" from Google Store. I like it. I think this
    is a perfect app for making "to-do" lists

    Thanks for recommending this app. There are so many apps out there that
    I simply cannot spend hours to download and try them out to find a gem.
    I think I will use this one from now on.

    I also downloaded it but I had problems because I never set up a WebDAV
    server on Windows to do the syncing that this open source notes app does.

    Can someone help me figure out what steps I'm doing wrong on Windows?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to Bradley on Tue Jan 16 15:12:27 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/16/2024 2:57 PM, Bradley wrote:
    Can someone help me figure out what steps I'm doing wrong on Windows?

    Duh. I forgot to list all the steps I did. I need help. Sorry about that.
    I think I'm almost there with setting up the local server. But not quite.

    The Silent Notes app says it handles encryption & online servers.
    It also says it syncs with Windows but it doesn't say how to do it.

    Here's what I tried, and I know it's long, but it's something someone else
    can try too if they want to set up a WebDAV server on Windows at home.

    1. I installed that open source Silent Notes app to test it out on Windows.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes

    2. I created a few checklists in that Silent Notes app to test it out.
    {amazon,costco,homedepot}

    3. I realized I needed a WebDAV server on Windows so I watched this video.
    How to Setup WebDAV Server On Windows 10 / 11 and Map WebDAV drive
    https://youtu.be/M4DZcS6V-Zs
    The video glosses over a few steps, so I clarify those steps below.

    4. Win+R | control.exe
    View by: Category | Programs | Turn Windows features on or off
    Expand "Internet Information Services"
    Expand "World Wide Web Services"
    Expand "Common HTTP Features"
    Set the checkbox for "WebDAV Publishing"
    Control Panel | Programs | Turn Windows features on or off |
    Expand "Internet Information Services"
    Expand "World Wide Web Services"
    Expand "Security"
    Set the checkbox for "Basic Authentication"
    OK

    5. Start "Windows Administrative Tools" "Internet Information Services (IIS) Manager"
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Administrative Tools\Internet Information Services (IIS) Manager.lnk
    Win+R | %windir%\system32\inetsrv\InetMgr.exe

    6. Navigate to the "Default Web Site"
    IIS | Connections | Sites | Default Web Site
    Under "Default Web Site Home" doubleclick on "WebDav Authoring Rules"
    Under "Actions" make sure "Enable WebDAV" is turned on
    Rightclick in the "WebDAV Authoring Rules" window
    Select "Add Authoring Rule" from the context menu that pops up
    Allow access to: All content
    Allow access to this content to: All users
    Permissions: Read, Source, Write
    OK

    7. IIS | Connections | Sites | Default Web Site
    Under "Default Web Site Home" doubleclick on "Authentication"
    Select "Anonymous Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"
    Select "ASP .NET Impersonation" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"
    Select "Basic Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Enabled"
    Select "Digest Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"

    8. IIS | Connections | Your computer name
    Doubleclick "Server Certificates"
    Rightclick in the windows & select "Create self-signed certificate"
    Specify a friendly name for the certificate: My self-signed certificate
    Select a certificate store for the new certificate: Personal
    OK

    9. IIS | Connections | Sites | (Rightclick on "Default Web Site")
    Select "Edit Bindings" from the context menu that pops up
    In the "Site Bindings" form that pops up, click the "Add" button
    Set Type to "https" (Port 443)
    Under "SSL certificate" select the certificate you had created
    OK | Close

    10. Fabricate a test domain by first checking it doesn't exist
    Win+R | cmd | ping myserver.com
    That ping should report that the server couldn't be found.
    Find your local IP address to add into hosts as that domain
    Win+R | cmd | ipconfig | look for "IPv4 Address"
    For example: IPv4 Address... 192.168.0.2
    Edit C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
    192.168.0.2 myserver.com # my local webdav test server
    Win+R | cmd | ping myserver.com
    That ping should now report that the server was found.

    11. Create a subfolder under C:\inetpub\wwwroot named "android"
    Set that subfolder to full access by rightclicking on the subfolder
    and selecting "Properties | Security | Edit } CREATOR OWNER |
    Press the "Add" button & then the "Advanced" button
    Press the "Find Now" button & scroll down the list of users
    I selected "Guest" but I wasn't sure what user to select here.
    MachineName\Guest | OK

    12. In the "Permissions for android" form, select "Guest",
    click to "Allow" all permissions & then click "Apply"
    And then click "OK" & "OK" to close the folder permission form.

    13. I think the instructions missed the "Sharing" step of the folder
    C:\inetpub\wwwroot\android

    14. To map a WebDAV drive and to populate it with files as a user,
    rightclick on "My PC" & in the context menu that pops up,
    select "Map network drive" and in the "Folder" field
    enter \\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot\android & click "Finish"
    You should now have a new "Z:" drive labeled something like
    "android (\\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot)"

    You can also map that network drive from the Windows command line.
    net use Y: \\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot\android
    net use X: \\192.168.0.2\inetpub\wwwroot\android
    net use U: \\192.168.0.2\inetpub\wwwroot\android /USER:guest
    net use W: \\myserver.com\inetpub\wwwroot\android
    Enter the username for 'myserver.com' = guest
    Enter the password for 'myserver.com' = <blank>

    15. On Android, start the Silent Notes app & click the "cloud" icon.
    A Silent Notes activity will ask "Set up the online storage"
    to which you click "Continue" & then you select your cloud provider
    out of {FTP,WebDAV,Dropbox,Google Driver,OneDrive,Nextcloud,GMX}.
    I selected "WebDAV" out of that list.
    A form labeled "Online storage credentials" popped up.
    Server directory URL: https://192.168.0.2/inetpub/wwwroot/android
    User name = guest
    Password = <blank>
    [x]Accept unsafe certificates

    This is where I'm stuck as I keep trying things but I must have something
    wrong with the form of the Windows WebDAV server URL in Silent Notes.
    https://192.168.0.2/DavWWWRoot
    https://192.168.0.2/inetpub/wwwroot/android

    I need a way to test the Windows WebDAV server to make sure it's alive. (Although the "net use" command worked without error so I think it is.)

    I do note that Silent Notes says it only does encryption so I had
    to use the "http(s)" instead of "http" but neither works for me yet.

    Maybe my self-signed certificate isn't being specified on Windows?
    I don't know. I've never done half this stuff. Have you ever done it?

    Can someone who wants to set up their own WebDAV server on Windows
    with Silent Notes test out the steps I did above - as it should take
    you only a few minutes (whereas it took me many hours to get here).

    Any help is happily appreciated, although I probably should have
    made this a separate post without the home repair folks as their
    heads (understandably so) are probably spinning in circles by now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to Bradley on Tue Jan 16 15:25:39 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/16/2024 3:12 PM, Bradley wrote:
    Duh. I forgot to list all the steps I did. I need help. Sorry about that.
    I think I'm almost there with setting up the local server. But not quite.

    The Silent Notes app says it handles encryption & online servers.
    It also says it syncs with Windows but it doesn't say how to do it.

    Sorry for the multiple posts. I re-asked the question over here instead,
    as I do not wish to hijack the original poster's thread on making icons.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls

    Alls I'm asking for is help from a Windows or Android expert who knows
    how to securely transfer files over Wi-Fi between Android & WebDAV servers.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Bradley on Tue Jan 16 15:32:50 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Bradley wrote on 1/16/2024 3:12 PM:
    On 1/16/2024 2:57 PM, Bradley wrote:
    Can someone help me figure out what steps I'm doing wrong on Windows?

    Duh. I forgot to list all the steps I did. I need help. Sorry about that.
    I think I'm almost there with setting up the local server. But not quite.

    The Silent Notes app says it handles encryption & online servers.
    It also says it syncs with Windows but it doesn't say how to do it.

    Here's what I tried, and I know it's long, but it's something someone
    else can try too if they want to set up a WebDAV server on Windows at
    home.

    1. I installed that open source Silent Notes app to test it out on
    Windows. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes


    ???     Google apps cannot run on Windows. I don't understand what you
    are doing.



    2. I created a few checklists in that Silent Notes app to test it out.
       {amazon,costco,homedepot}

    3. I realized I needed a WebDAV server on Windows so I watched this
    video.
      How to Setup WebDAV Server On Windows 10 / 11 and Map WebDAV drive
      https://youtu.be/M4DZcS6V-Zs   The video glosses over a few steps,
    so I clarify those steps below.



    I have found a YouTube video that might help you with WebDAV:

    How to Setup WebDAV Server On Windows 10 / 11 and Map WebDAV drive - Step-by-step guide
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DZcS6V-Zs


    4. Win+R | control.exe   View by: Category | Programs | Turn Windows features on or off   Expand "Internet Information Services"
      Expand "World Wide Web Services"
      Expand "Common HTTP Features"
      Set the checkbox for "WebDAV Publishing"
      Control Panel | Programs | Turn Windows features on or off | Expand "Internet Information Services"
      Expand "World Wide Web Services"
      Expand "Security"
      Set the checkbox for "Basic Authentication"
      OK

    5. Start "Windows Administrative Tools" "Internet Information Services
    (IIS) Manager"
      C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Administrative Tools\Internet Information Services (IIS) Manager.lnk
      Win+R | %windir%\system32\inetsrv\InetMgr.exe

    6. Navigate to the "Default Web Site"
      IIS | Connections | Sites | Default Web Site
      Under "Default Web Site Home" doubleclick on "WebDav Authoring Rules"
      Under "Actions" make sure "Enable WebDAV" is turned on
      Rightclick in the "WebDAV Authoring Rules" window
      Select "Add Authoring Rule" from the context menu that pops up
      Allow access to: All content
      Allow access to this content to: All users
      Permissions: Read, Source, Write
      OK

    7. IIS | Connections | Sites | Default Web Site
      Under "Default Web Site Home" doubleclick on "Authentication"
      Select "Anonymous Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to
    "Disabled"
      Select "ASP .NET Impersonation" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"
      Select "Basic Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Enabled"
      Select "Digest Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"

    8. IIS | Connections | Your computer name
      Doubleclick "Server Certificates"
      Rightclick in the windows & select "Create self-signed certificate"
      Specify a friendly name for the certificate: My self-signed certificate
      Select a certificate store for the new certificate: Personal
      OK

    9. IIS | Connections | Sites | (Rightclick on "Default Web Site")
      Select "Edit Bindings" from the context menu that pops up
      In the "Site Bindings" form that pops up, click the "Add" button  
    Set Type to "https" (Port 443)
      Under "SSL certificate" select the certificate you had created
      OK | Close

    10. Fabricate a test domain by first checking it doesn't exist
       Win+R | cmd | ping myserver.com
       That ping should report that the server couldn't be found.
       Find your local IP address to add into hosts as that domain
       Win+R | cmd | ipconfig | look for "IPv4 Address"
       For example: IPv4 Address... 192.168.0.2
       Edit C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
       192.168.0.2 myserver.com # my local webdav test server
       Win+R | cmd | ping myserver.com
       That ping should now report that the server was found.
    11. Create a subfolder under C:\inetpub\wwwroot named "android"
       Set that subfolder to full access by rightclicking on the subfolder
       and selecting "Properties | Security | Edit } CREATOR OWNER |
       Press the "Add" button & then the "Advanced" button
       Press the "Find Now" button & scroll down the list of users
       I selected "Guest" but I wasn't sure what user to select here.
       MachineName\Guest | OK

    12. In the "Permissions for android" form, select "Guest",
       click to "Allow" all permissions & then click "Apply" And then
    click "OK" & "OK" to close the folder permission form.

    13. I think the instructions missed the "Sharing" step of the folder
       C:\inetpub\wwwroot\android

    14. To map a WebDAV drive and to populate it with files as a user,
       rightclick on "My PC" & in the context menu that pops up,    select "Map network drive" and in the "Folder" field    enter \\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot\android & click "Finish"
       You should now have a new "Z:" drive labeled something like
       "android (\\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot)"

       You can also map that network drive from the Windows command line.
       net use Y: \\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot\android
       net use X: \\192.168.0.2\inetpub\wwwroot\android
       net use U: \\192.168.0.2\inetpub\wwwroot\android /USER:guest
       net use W: \\myserver.com\inetpub\wwwroot\android
        Enter the username for 'myserver.com' = guest
        Enter the password for 'myserver.com' = <blank>

    15. On Android, start the Silent Notes app & click the "cloud" icon.
       A Silent Notes activity will ask "Set up the online storage"
       to which you click "Continue" & then you select your cloud provider
       out of {FTP,WebDAV,Dropbox,Google Driver,OneDrive,Nextcloud,GMX}.
       I selected "WebDAV" out of that list.
       A form labeled "Online storage credentials" popped up.
       Server directory URL: https://192.168.0.2/inetpub/wwwroot/android
       User name = guest
       Password = <blank>
       [x]Accept unsafe certificates

    This is where I'm stuck as I keep trying things but I must have something wrong with the form of the Windows WebDAV server URL in Silent Notes.
       https://192.168.0.2/DavWWWRoot
       https://192.168.0.2/inetpub/wwwroot/android

    I need a way to test the Windows WebDAV server to make sure it's alive. (Although the "net use" command worked without error so I think it is.)

    I do note that Silent Notes says it only does encryption so I had
    to use the "http(s)" instead of "http" but neither works for me yet.

    Maybe my self-signed certificate isn't being specified on Windows?
    I don't know. I've never done half this stuff. Have you ever done it?

    Can someone who wants to set up their own WebDAV server on Windows
    with Silent Notes test out the steps I did above - as it should take
    you only a few minutes (whereas it took me many hours to get here).

    Any help is happily appreciated, although I probably should have made
    this a separate post without the home repair folks as their
    heads (understandably so) are probably spinning in circles by now.

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 16:52:17 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/16/2024 3:32 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    1. I installed that open source Silent Notes app to test it out on
    Windows.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes

    ??? Google apps cannot run on Windows.

    The reason I tested Silent Notes was to share Android files with Windows.
    The Silent Notes Android app says it easily shares files with Windows.

    But it doesn't say how (at least I couldn't find that explicitly stated).

    Go to the Google Play Store description for the Android Silent Notes app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes Where it says "About this app ->" click on that (secret) right arrow icon.

    That secret click (which you have to know it exists to click on it) says in
    its very first line that the big deal about this Silent Notes app is this!

    "Take your notes wherever you are, and share them between your Android
    and Windows devices."

    It doesn't say /how/ it shares "between Android & Windows devices" though.
    But later on it says it uses "self hosting", so I assumed that's how.
    "Store the notes to an online-storage of your choice (self hosting),
    this allows to synchronize them between devices and offers an easy backup."

    Later than that, it says what protocols Silent Notes uses to share files. "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol,
    Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    Since SMB isn't one of those protocols, I decided to set up a Windows
    WebDav server with self-signed certificates to perform that share.
    "The notes never leave the device unencrypted, they are
    end-to-end encrypted and can only be read on your devices."

    I don't understand what you are doing.

    The Android "Silent Notes" app will copy files over to a WebDAV server.
    Why can't that WebDAV server be a local LAN Windows WebDAV server?

    My problem is I set up the Windows WebDAV server but I don't have a good
    test to see if it's working and if it's not working, I need to fix that.

    I have found a YouTube video that might help you with WebDAV:
    How to Setup WebDAV Server On Windows 10 / 11 and Map WebDAV drive - Step-by-step guide
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DZcS6V-Zs

    That's the same video I said I was following, except that video skips a few steps (which I didn't skip in my explanation) and that video assumes you already have a certificate (I never created a certificate in my life).

    It could be that the certificate creation process is what went bad on my
    side, where I don't need encryption but I think Silent Notes requires it.

    Alls I want is someone who knows how to create and test a Windows WebDAV
    server to help me make sure that the one I set up yesterday is working. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls

    Once the Windows WebDAV server is set up, then transferring files between Android & Windows should work with any app that connects to online servers.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Bradley on Tue Jan 16 19:35:25 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:

    The reason I tested Silent Notes was to share Android files with Windows.
    The Silent Notes Android app says it easily shares files with Windows.

    If you already have an account at someone's WebDAV server then, yeah,
    setup is easy. Probably the "easy" part is using SilentNotes with its
    support of the Google Drive, OneDrive, and Dropbox APIs to be a client
    to those existing cloud services. You can add access to those cloud
    services as apps on Windows and Android to do the synchronization
    between devices, but presumably SilentNotes doesn't need those since it
    will use the APIs to those cloud services while it acts as a client.

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Jan 16 21:02:19 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    On 1/16/2024 7:35 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
    The reason I tested Silent Notes was to share Android files with Windows.
    The Silent Notes Android app says it easily shares files with Windows.

    If you already have an account at someone's WebDAV server then, yeah,
    setup is easy. Probably the "easy" part is using SilentNotes with its support of the Google Drive, OneDrive, and Dropbox APIs to be a client
    to those existing cloud services. You can add access to those cloud
    services as apps on Windows and Android to do the synchronization
    between devices, but presumably SilentNotes doesn't need those since it
    will use the APIs to those cloud services while it acts as a client.

    What's interesting is Silent Notes is also a Windows application too. https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9P14JXNCRXSK?hl=en-US&gl=US

    But I do agree that if you already had a working WebDAV online account,
    then it's probably easy to set it up to work with that online server.

    The Windows problem (more so than Android) is how to set up the WebDAV
    server on Windows and how to test it so that everything is working BEFORE
    you start to try to sync Android Silent Notes with Windows Silent Notes.

    Maybe this ghacks article has how to do it?

    SilentNotes is an open source note-taking tool, to-do list app that can
    sync the content between your Windows 10 and Android devices https://www.ghacks.net/2021/05/12/silentnotes-is-an-open-source-note-taking-tool-to-do-list-app-that-can-sync-the-content-between-your-windows-10-and-android-devices/

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Bradley on Tue Jan 16 21:10:22 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:

    But I do agree that if you already had a working WebDAV online account,
    then it's probably easy to set it up to work with that online server.

    The Windows problem (more so than Android) is how to set up the WebDAV
    server on Windows and how to test it so that everything is working BEFORE
    you start to try to sync Android Silent Notes with Windows Silent Notes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DZcS6V-Zs

    At timemark 2:44, I see there is also an option to create a self-signed certificate. You can get free ones at https://letsencrypt.org/;
    however, as I recall, you have to setup a web site, import their cert,
    and then have them validate your web site is using the cert they issued
    to you. Well, you're installing IIS to get the WebDAV service, but
    you'd have to make it accessible on your internetwork host for them to validate. You probably also have to register for a domain, or use the
    hosts file trick mentioned in the video. The video moves pretty fast
    past some points, so get ready to pause the video to see what they're
    showing you.

    Self-signed cert for IIS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFikeLC-Ed4

    Maybe this ghacks article has how to do it? https://www.ghacks.net/2021/05/12/silentnotes-is-an-open-source-note-taking-tool-to-do-list-app-that-can-sync-the-content-between-your-windows-10-and-android-devices/

    All I see there is mention of the multiple protocols supported by the SilentNotes client: FTP, WebDAV, Google Drive, OneDrive, and Dropbox.
    Nothing about setting up an IIS server, and then setup the WebDAV
    component.

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  • From Dave Royal@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Jan 17 07:30:44 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
    <snip>

    At timemark 2:44, I see there is also an option to create a self-signed certificate. You can get free ones at https://letsencrypt.org/;
    however, as I recall, you have to setup a web site, import their cert,
    and then have them validate your web site is using the cert they issued
    to you. Well, you're installing IIS to get the WebDAV service, but
    you'd have to make it accessible on your internetwork host for them to validate. You probably also have to register for a domain, or use the
    hosts file trick mentioned in the video. The video moves pretty fast
    past some points, so get ready to pause the video to see what they're
    showing you.

    <snip>

    I've not been following this thread, so this might be irrelevant.

    If you want a self-signed certificate for a local machine, and
    don't need it to be linked to a CA (eg letsencrypt), then you can
    just make one with an openssl command. You get a couple of files
    which you have to configure the webserver to use. I've done it
    with Apache and nginx, but not IIS.

    But it depends if the client program will accept it - ie warn you
    but allow you to register an exception, which is what Firefox
    does.
    --
    Remove numerics from my email address.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Charlie on Wed Jan 17 13:41:20 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    Charlie wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 06:23:06 -0700 :

    Once that is working, only then can you synchronize the SilentNotes to it.

    I wonder if the op can set up both the native Windows WebDAV server and
    client so that the entire testbench can be done without the LAN involved?

    This implies both the WebDAV server & WebDAV client is native to Windows. https://www.webdavsystem.com/server/access/windows/

    "Mini-Redirector is a Microsoft WebDAV client that is provided as part of Windows. Here we will describe mini-redirector provided with Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7 and Windows Vista."

    That site gives seemingly good examples of how to connect client to server.

    "The fastest way to connect to WebDAV server on Windows is to use Windows Explorer address bar. Windows Shell recognizes special URI format that
    looks like:

    \\server@SSL@port\DavWWWRoot\path\

    The '@port' segment is optional if the default port 80 or 443 is used, as
    well as you should specify '@SSL' only if SSL/HTTPS is required. You can
    also avoid DavWWWRoot (see below).

    For example to connect to the root of your WebDAV server running on port
    5555 specify in the address bar in Windows Explorer:

    \\server@5555\DavWWWRoot\

    To connect to WebDAV server that is using SSL and running on a non-default
    port 4444 you must specify:

    \\server@SSL@4444\DavWWWRoot\

    What is DavWWWRoot?
    DavWWWRoot is a special keyword recognized by Windows Shell. There is no
    such folder exists on your WebDAV server and you should not create it. You
    also will not find any DavWWWRoot name in requests to your server. The DavWWWRoot keyword tells Mini-Redirector driver, that handles WebDAV
    requests, that you are connecting to the root of WebDAV server.

    You can avoid using this keyword if you specify the folder that exists on
    your server when connecting to the server. For example:

    \\webdavserver.com\sales\

    in this case DavWWWRoot will not appear in URLs.

    In some environments, you may experience long delays when browsing WebDAV server. In many cases, they are caused by a proxy or firewall server. The
    first thing to try is to uncheck the 'Automatically Select Settings'
    checkbox in LAN Settings dialog.

    Basic authentication requires SSL/HTTPS connection to be used. By default,
    the Windows WebDAV client will fail to connect to insecure WebDAV server
    using Basic. However for development purposes you often will require to
    enable non-SSL access. In this case, you can use the workaround described
    here. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2123563

    Windows Shell caches user credentials authentication scheme that may cause various issues when developing WebDAV server. During the development, we recommend to leave the 'Save credentials' checkbox unchecked. If you have
    saved the credentials, you can clear credentials cache in the UI brought by
    the following command:

    rundll32.exe keymgr.dll, KRShowKeyMgr

    The above command will display a dialog with cached credentials in which
    you can delete them.

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  • From Charlie@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Jan 17 06:23:06 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    On this Tue, 16 Jan 2024 21:10:22 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

    https://www.ghacks.net/2021/05/12/silentnotes-is-an-open-source-note-taking-tool-to-do-list-app-that-can-sync-the-content-between-your-windows-10-and-android-devices/

    All I see there is mention of the multiple protocols supported by the SilentNotes client: FTP, WebDAV, Google Drive, OneDrive, and Dropbox.
    Nothing about setting up an IIS server, and then setup the WebDAV
    component.

    I think the problem set of synchronizing Silent Notes between Android &
    Windows over your own LAN has to be broken up into two separate chunks.

    1. Setting up the native Windows WebDAV server (which is part of IIS).
    2. Testing that native Windows WebDAV server until you know it works.

    Once that is working, only then can you synchronize the SilentNotes to it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Dave Royal on Wed Jan 17 12:25:33 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    On 1/17/2024 2:30 AM, Dave Royal wrote:


    I've not been following this thread, so this might be irrelevant.

    If you want a self-signed certificate for a local machine, and
    don't need it to be linked to a CA (eg letsencrypt), then you can
    just make one with an openssl command. You get a couple of files
    which you have to configure the webserver to use. I've done it
    with Apache and nginx, but not IIS.

    But it depends if the client program will accept it <===== This.

    And that is the essence of networking in the year 2024.

    It's like when I do file sharing in this room, and the
    results are "never twice the same". Good work, if you can find it.

    How do people "in the real world" do it ? I asked someone.
    He doesn't use file sharing. He carries a USB stick across
    the room, plugs it in, and transfers files. That's how the
    real people do it :-) Just in case anyone is wondering.

    These are the people who carry their grocery list, on a piece of paper.

    The pen is dependable. Ink always comes out of it. You don't have
    to reboot the pen, and try again.

    *******

    This is how you get an account fixed in 2024.

    You get a relative, who is a journalist, to write an article for you.
    This is a known and proven protocol :-) And in this case, it worked.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/meta-verification-proved-useless-and-my-family-is-still-locked-out-of-instagram/

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Jan 17 12:53:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android

    On 1/17/2024 8:41 AM, Andrew wrote:
    Charlie wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 06:23:06 -0700 :

    Once that is working, only then can you synchronize the SilentNotes to it.

    I wonder if the op can set up both the native Windows WebDAV server and client so that the entire testbench can be done without the LAN involved?

    But that's not the test case that needs testing.

    It's the cross-platform matrix that needs testing.

    Ka-BLOOIE. Trust me.

    I would agree, that doing the localized platform test,
    proves the plumbing is working, and the protocols
    execute properly. But such testing is unlikely to be
    a predictor of what happens in other permutations
    and combinations. You have evidence, if you can get
    anything to work, that it *could* work, not that it *will* work.

    As an intermediate test point, I might run a Linux computer
    and WebDAV client on one side of the room, and the Windows
    server on the other. That would be the next challenge.

    Getting it to work with Android, that's a bar bet.
    Then it's a question of whether it only works in
    the room, or it works from Starbucks.

    That should be your last test.

    Paul

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  • From Claudio@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 17:38:12 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair

    El 14/1/24 a las 22:32, Oscar Mayer escribió:

    One possible improvement is automatic syncronization of the todo files.

    I don't know of any ready-made built-in Windows sync-to-android automated solutions (where you populate a folder with text files & it's always
    synced) but they probably exist - which would be an improvement on this.

    Have you considered Syncthing ( https://syncthing.net/ )?

    You can keep a directory/folder sync'ed between a PC and an Android
    phone, and doesn't *need* an internet connection: as long as both
    devices are on same LAN, they should connect directly; failing that,
    they connect via relay on internet.

    I have a todo.txt file shared. I edit it by text editor on PC and use
    the Simpletask app on Android (although you can use any Android editor too).

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