• Difficulties with Ease of Access

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 8 14:55:41 2024
    There's a thing that pops up when you hold down a key for too long,
    which is supposed to be about ease of access.

    It asked me if I wanted to disable it, and I clicked on Yes, and now
    it has disabled my keyboard instead.

    Is there any way I can get my keyboard back and stop the damn thing
    from popping up?


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Mon Jan 8 09:18:31 2024
    On 1/8/2024 7:55 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
    There's a thing that pops up when you hold down a key for too long,
    which is supposed to be about ease of access.

    It asked me if I wanted to disable it, and I clicked on Yes, and now
    it has disabled my keyboard instead.

    Is there any way I can get my keyboard back and stop the damn thing
    from popping up?



    Are these settings not applied per-account ?

    If the machine has two accounts, try your second account at login.
    That's assuming login still works, which is not a given...

    The Ease Of Access might still be present, for usage at login.
    And maybe the keyboard is dead there, too.

    *******

    These are examples of utilities triggered by Ease Of Access.

    Utilman.exe, DisplaySwitch.exe, or Sethc.exe

    This is what I used, to get an Administrator Command Prompt, so
    a new account (plus make the account a member of Administrators Group)
    could be applied. I don't think "making a new account" from Linux
    is practical. And creating a new account, using "offline" techniques
    from a Command Prompt window from Troubleshooting on a Win10 installer
    DVD would necessarily work. As far as I know, creating an account which
    has a profile, involves copying something from the Default account.

    https://4sysops.com/archives/reset-windows-10-password-by-disabling-windows-defender/

    And you should rename the utilities, rather than copying them.

    ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # These can be hardlinked somewhere, and using "rename"
    # is to try to avoid breaking the hardlink.

    copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # Once the real Sethc is out of the way, you can copy
    # in something suited to hacking the machine.
    ... much later, remove the hack

    del sethc.exe # Remove the fake superfluous cmd.exe you used

    ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe # Restore the sethc executable. The hardlink is intact.

    On the login screen, you type the shift key five times, the OS attempts
    to open sethc.exe , and instead, your hacked executable, the cmd.exe opens.
    And it opens as Administrator. These two commands, create a new account
    that you will use for login. And perhaps, these don't have the keyboard crippled, an account like this.

    NET USER newaccount newpassword /ADD # Add an account

    NET LOCALGROUP Administrators newaccount /add # Make the account an administrator, powers of UAC.

    But it's possible the login screen, the keyboard is disabled
    there too, in which case hacking our way in, is not going to help.

    The only thing left at that point, is offline Registry editing.
    The Kaspersky Rescue CD, if you have one around which is a
    few years old, it may have a Registry Editor on it. Perhaps a UBCD CD
    has a registry editor. Usually the registry editors do not edit
    all registry files, only some of them.

    *******

    In the past, the "easiest way to disable a keyboard", was to
    delete the wrong LowerFilter entry. Some people used to be
    interested in some CDROM LowerFilter registry key, they would
    delete the keyboard LowerFilter instead, and... the keyboard
    would be cooked.

    https://www.edmartechguide.com/2010/08/solution-mouse-andor-keyboard-not.html

    I don't really know what is wrong, and that's the only other incident
    that comes to mind. If the damage was done that way, perhaps plugging in another keyboard would work.

    Computers can use multiple keyboards and multiple mice at the same time.
    A keyboard can be connected via PS/2 and via USB, but also via Bluetooth
    (a Bluetooth keyboard, usually a folding model). These will
    all likely go through some sort of filter that looks for the pressing
    of the Shift key five times. I would try a USB keyboard, as it's the
    most likely to be sitting on another computer for usage.

    Paul

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Jan 8 16:11:17 2024
    Paul wrote:
    On 1/8/2024 7:55 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
    There's a thing that pops up when you hold down a key for too long,
    which is supposed to be about ease of access.

    It asked me if I wanted to disable it, and I clicked on Yes, and now
    it has disabled my keyboard instead.

    Is there any way I can get my keyboard back and stop the damn thing
    from popping up?



    Are these settings not applied per-account ?

    If the machine has two accounts, try your second account at login.
    That's assuming login still works, which is not a given...

    The Ease Of Access might still be present, for usage at login.
    And maybe the keyboard is dead there, too.

    *******

    These are examples of utilities triggered by Ease Of Access.

    Utilman.exe, DisplaySwitch.exe, or Sethc.exe

    This is what I used, to get an Administrator Command Prompt, so
    a new account (plus make the account a member of Administrators Group)
    could be applied. I don't think "making a new account" from Linux
    is practical. And creating a new account, using "offline" techniques
    from a Command Prompt window from Troubleshooting on a Win10 installer
    DVD would necessarily work. As far as I know, creating an account which
    has a profile, involves copying something from the Default account.

    https://4sysops.com/archives/reset-windows-10-password-by-disabling-windows-defender/

    And you should rename the utilities, rather than copying them.

    ren sethc.exe sethc.exe.bak # These can be hardlinked somewhere, and using "rename"
    # is to try to avoid breaking the hardlink.

    copy cmd.exe sethc.exe # Once the real Sethc is out of the way, you can copy
    # in something suited to hacking the machine.
    ... much later, remove the hack

    del sethc.exe # Remove the fake superfluous cmd.exe you used

    ren sethc.exe.bak sethc.exe # Restore the sethc executable. The hardlink is intact.

    On the login screen, you type the shift key five times, the OS attempts
    to open sethc.exe , and instead, your hacked executable, the cmd.exe opens. And it opens as Administrator. These two commands, create a new account
    that you will use for login. And perhaps, these don't have the keyboard crippled, an account like this.

    NET USER newaccount newpassword /ADD # Add an account

    NET LOCALGROUP Administrators newaccount /add # Make the account an administrator, powers of UAC.

    But it's possible the login screen, the keyboard is disabled
    there too, in which case hacking our way in, is not going to help.

    The only thing left at that point, is offline Registry editing.
    The Kaspersky Rescue CD, if you have one around which is a
    few years old, it may have a Registry Editor on it. Perhaps a UBCD CD
    has a registry editor. Usually the registry editors do not edit
    all registry files, only some of them.

    *******

    In the past, the "easiest way to disable a keyboard", was to
    delete the wrong LowerFilter entry. Some people used to be
    interested in some CDROM LowerFilter registry key, they would
    delete the keyboard LowerFilter instead, and... the keyboard
    would be cooked.

    https://www.edmartechguide.com/2010/08/solution-mouse-andor-keyboard-not.html

    I don't really know what is wrong, and that's the only other incident
    that comes to mind. If the damage was done that way, perhaps plugging in another keyboard would work.

    Computers can use multiple keyboards and multiple mice at the same time.
    A keyboard can be connected via PS/2 and via USB, but also via Bluetooth
    (a Bluetooth keyboard, usually a folding model). These will
    all likely go through some sort of filter that looks for the pressing
    of the Shift key five times. I would try a USB keyboard, as it's the
    most likely to be sitting on another computer for usage.

    Paul

    It might be re-enabable (Sheesh! I think that's a personal neologism)
    from the Device Manager. Uninstall and Reinstall.

    Ed

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Mon Jan 8 12:07:02 2024
    On 1/8/2024 11:11 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On 1/8/2024 7:55 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
    There's a thing that pops up when you hold down a key for too long,
    which is supposed to be about ease of access.

    It asked me if I wanted to disable it, and I clicked on Yes, and now
    it has disabled my keyboard instead.

    Is there any way I can get my keyboard back and stop the damn thing
    from popping up?



    Are these settings not applied per-account ?

    If the machine has two accounts, try your second account at login.
    That's assuming login still works, which is not a given...

    The Ease Of Access might still be present, for usage at login.
    And maybe the keyboard is dead there, too.

    *******

    These are examples of utilities triggered by Ease Of Access.

        Utilman.exe, DisplaySwitch.exe, or Sethc.exe

    This is what I used, to get an Administrator Command Prompt, so
    a new account (plus make the account a member of Administrators Group)
    could be applied. I don't think "making a new account" from Linux
    is practical. And creating a new account, using "offline" techniques
    from a Command Prompt window from Troubleshooting on a Win10 installer
    DVD would necessarily work. As far as I know, creating an account which
    has a profile, involves copying something from the Default account.

         https://4sysops.com/archives/reset-windows-10-password-by-disabling-windows-defender/

    And you should rename the utilities, rather than copying them.

        ren  sethc.exe  sethc.exe.bak      # These can be hardlinked somewhere, and using "rename"
                                           # is to try to avoid breaking the hardlink.

        copy cmd.exe sethc.exe             # Once the real Sethc is out of the way, you can copy
                                           # in something suited to hacking the machine.
        ... much later, remove the hack

        del sethc.exe                      # Remove the fake superfluous cmd.exe you used

        ren  sethc.exe.bak  sethc.exe      # Restore the sethc executable. The hardlink is intact.

    On the login screen, you type the shift key five times, the OS attempts
    to open sethc.exe , and instead, your hacked executable, the cmd.exe opens. >> And it opens as Administrator. These two commands, create a new account
    that you will use for login. And perhaps, these don't have the keyboard
    crippled, an account like this.

        NET USER newaccount newpassword  /ADD              # Add an account

        NET LOCALGROUP Administrators newaccount /add      # Make the account an administrator, powers of UAC.

    But it's possible the login screen, the keyboard is disabled
    there too, in which case hacking our way in, is not going to help.

    The only thing left at that point, is offline Registry editing.
    The Kaspersky Rescue CD, if you have one around which is a
    few years old, it may have a Registry Editor on it. Perhaps a UBCD CD
    has a registry editor. Usually the registry editors do not edit
    all registry files, only some of them.

    *******

    In the past, the "easiest way to disable a keyboard", was to
    delete the wrong LowerFilter entry. Some people used to be
    interested in some CDROM LowerFilter registry key, they would
    delete the keyboard LowerFilter instead, and... the keyboard
    would be cooked.

    https://www.edmartechguide.com/2010/08/solution-mouse-andor-keyboard-not.html

    I don't really know what is wrong, and that's the only other incident
    that comes to mind. If the damage was done that way, perhaps plugging in
    another keyboard would work.

    Computers can use multiple keyboards and multiple mice at the same time.
    A keyboard can be connected via PS/2 and via USB, but also via Bluetooth
    (a Bluetooth keyboard, usually a folding model). These will
    all likely go through some sort of filter that looks for the pressing
    of the Shift key five times. I would try a USB keyboard, as it's the
    most likely to be sitting on another computer for usage.

        Paul

    It might be re-enabable (Sheesh! I think that's a personal neologism) from the Device Manager. Uninstall and Reinstall.

    Ed

    That's possible. You would have your trusty mouse, at your side.
    You can get to Device Manager, from right-click Start.

    *******

    And we can't use "Last Known Good" in Safe Mode, as Win10 removed it.
    I just checked, and it's gone.

    Paul

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