• Re: No internet, secured

    From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 3 19:05:01 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In article <9habpi9sdmiggg79cnng41qdmclg2gdh0d@4ax.com>, micky wrote...

    What does it mean when it says "No internet, secured"??? It had internet
    45 minutes ago, when I left to make a phone call.

    It must be connected because the button is labeled Disconnect.

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G. Will their
    passwords be the same??? (I'm at my brother's so I don't know.)


    I had to switch to my phone which told me today I'm up to 80% of my
    monthly quota and they will slow the rate soon. ;-(

    What that means is that you have a Wi-Fi connection to the router, which is secured (using a key) but that the router has lost its connection to the Internet (or, rarely, is blocking your Wi-Fi connection to the Internet). Very often a router will sort itself out, but you may like to restart the router (once) to nudge it into seeking a fresh Internet connection. The server may be down, so it may not come back instantly. Chances are it'll have come back by the time you read this!

    5G is a cellular protocol, not Wi-Fi, so the connection would be authenticated by the mobile's SIM. You may be thinking of 5GHZ, which is a faster (but slightly shorter-range) wireless protocol than the older 2.4GHz. The passwords might well be the same, but as they are configurable they might have been set differently by the router's owner. In any event, you've successfully connected over Wi-Fi already, so that's not the issue.

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 3 13:49:14 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    What does it mean when it says "No internet, secured"??? It had internet
    45 minutes ago, when I left to make a phone call.

    It must be connected because the button is labeled Disconnect.

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G. Will their
    passwords be the same??? (I'm at my brother's so I don't know.)


    I had to switch to my phone which told me today I'm up to 80% of my
    monthly quota and they will slow the rate soon. ;-(

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  • From Dave Royal@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 3 19:20:24 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3 Jan 2024 19:05:01 -0000 Philip Herlihy wrote:
    In article <9habpi9sdmiggg79cnng41qdmclg2gdh0d@4ax.com>, micky wrote...

    What does it mean when it says "No internet, secured"??? It had internet
    45 minutes ago, when I left to make a phone call.

    It must be connected because the button is labeled Disconnect.

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G. Will their
    passwords be the same??? (I'm at my brother's so I don't know.)


    I had to switch to my phone which told me today I'm up to 80% of my
    monthly quota and they will slow the rate soon. ;-(

    What that means is that you have a Wi-Fi connection to the router, which is >secured (using a key) but that the router has lost its connection to the >Internet (or, rarely, is blocking your Wi-Fi connection to the Internet). Very >often a router will sort itself out, but you may like to restart the router >(once) to nudge it into seeking a fresh Internet connection. The server may be >down, so it may not come back instantly. Chances are it'll have come back by >the time you read this!

    5G is a cellular protocol, not Wi-Fi, so the connection would be authenticated >by the mobile's SIM. You may be thinking of 5GHZ, which is a faster (but >slightly shorter-range) wireless protocol than the older 2.4GHz. The passwords >might well be the same, but as they are configurable they might have been set >differently by the router's owner. In any event, you've successfully connected >over Wi-Fi already, so that's not the issue.

    I think he's referring to 5Ghz wifi.

    Micky: The passwords are usually the same.

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    (Remove numerics from email address)

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Royal on Wed Jan 3 15:16:30 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 3 Jan 2024 19:20:24 -0000 (UTC), Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

    On 3 Jan 2024 19:05:01 -0000 Philip Herlihy wrote:
    In article <9habpi9sdmiggg79cnng41qdmclg2gdh0d@4ax.com>, micky wrote...

    What does it mean when it says "No internet, secured"??? It had internet >>> 45 minutes ago, when I left to make a phone call.

    It must be connected because the button is labeled Disconnect.

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G. Will their
    passwords be the same??? (I'm at my brother's so I don't know.)


    I had to switch to my phone which told me today I'm up to 80% of my
    monthly quota and they will slow the rate soon. ;-(

    What that means is that you have a Wi-Fi connection to the router, which is >>secured (using a key) but that the router has lost its connection to the >>Internet (or, rarely, is blocking your Wi-Fi connection to the Internet). Very
    often a router will sort itself out,

    I've gotten this at home, and I just try again and usually it works.

    but you may like to restart the router
    (once) to nudge it into seeking a fresh Internet connection.

    I have restarted the router a couple times over the y ears, but I don't
    even know where this one is, and my brother would snap at me if I
    restarted it, even if he wasn't doing anything at the time. I'd have to
    ask and he's ask why, and I'd explain, and he'd say, I don't know
    anything about that. Easier to go to the phone.

    The server may be
    down, so it may not come back instantly. Chances are it'll have come back by >>the time you read this!

    Maybe it did, but I'm using the phone now, and I'm sticking with a
    winner. Next time I connect, I'll try the home wifi again.

    5G is a cellular protocol, not Wi-Fi, so the connection would be authenticated
    by the mobile's SIM. You may be thinking of 5GHZ, which is a faster (but >>slightly shorter-range) wireless protocol than the older 2.4GHz. The passwords
    might well be the same, but as they are configurable they might have been set >>differently by the router's owner. In any event, you've successfully connected
    over Wi-Fi already, so that's not the issue.

    I think he's referring to 5Ghz wifi.

    Micky: The passwords are usually the same.

    Yes, 5G wifi. Neither my brother or sil would have gone out of their
    way to do something fancy, although I admit someone changed the password
    from the gobbledygook it might have come with to a name,

    FriedaBush.

    My nephew is from Texas and speaks Spanish fluently. His wife is from
    Peru and speaks English pretty well, and I'm positive she'll get better.
    He told me the password and pronounced it Freeda so I spelled it Freda
    or Freeda.
    She told me the second time and pronouced it Free-eyda, so I spelled
    it right. ;-) But then when I had to reconnect, i had the problem
    above.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 4 09:17:49 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    micky, 2024-01-03 19:49:

    What does it mean when it says "No internet, secured"??? It had internet
    45 minutes ago, when I left to make a phone call.

    That means, that you have WiFi but no internet access using that WiFi.

    [...]
    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G. Will their
    passwords be the same??? (I'm at my brother's so I don't know.)

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    But if your device has WiFi calling enabled *and* you are often
    connected to a WiFi network which does not have internet access, this
    may explain why you miss calls from time to time.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Thu Jan 4 09:55:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Jan 4 11:54:51 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago.

    --
    Sent with Betterbird by a Penguin.
    Simply better. www.betterbird.eu

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Jan 4 07:11:41 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago.


    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108?hl=en

    These contains some words about the telco side, as well
    as the flavor of Wifi 6/6e provided.

    https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-mobile-hotspots

    Paul

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@arnowelzel.de on Thu Jan 4 10:10:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 4 Jan 2024 09:17:49 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-01-03 19:49:

    What does it mean when it says "No internet, secured"??? It had internet
    45 minutes ago, when I left to make a phone call.

    That means, that you have WiFi but no internet access using that WiFi.

    [...]
    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G. Will their
    passwords be the same??? (I'm at my brother's so I don't know.)

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    I just meant that the name of the wifi ended in -5G, like verizon23 and verizon23-5G

    But if your device has WiFi calling enabled *and* you are often
    connected to a WiFi network which does not have internet access, this
    may explain why you miss calls from time to time.

    For another reason I tried to turn on wifi calling and couldn't figure
    out where to do that. Or maybe it's on now. I looked in the
    window-shade options and the Settings and saw no reference to it.

    FWIW a Xioami phone, I forget the model.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 4 17:23:45 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Am 04.01.24 um 13:11 schrieb Paul:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago. >>

    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    https://daskannwas.ch/tests/so-einfach-geht-heim-internet-ueber-5g/

    The word router is used. Hotspot or tethering is absolutely irrelevant
    because the wifi-part ist alway the same.

    The German name WLAN (Wireless LAN) is much more precise than the
    english wifi.

    --
    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Jan 4 13:44:02 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 10:10:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    For another reason I tried to turn on wifi calling and couldn't figure
    out where to do that. Or maybe it's on now. I looked in the
    window-shade options and the Settings and saw no reference to it.

    FWIW a Xioami phone, I forget the model.

    On my Samsung Galaxy S20FE, WiFi Calling is located in Settings, Connections, immediately below the WiFi settings. Maybe yours is similar.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jan 4 22:09:49 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago. >>

    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
    knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the
    house.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 4 22:17:26 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago. >>>

    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
    knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the house.

    +1

    --
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  • From micky@21:1/5 to none@none.invalid on Thu Jan 4 17:59:00 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 13:44:02 -0600, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 10:10:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    For another reason I tried to turn on wifi calling and couldn't figure
    out where to do that. Or maybe it's on now. I looked in the
    window-shade options and the Settings and saw no reference to it.

    FWIW a Xioami phone, I forget the model.

    On my Samsung Galaxy S20FE, WiFi Calling is located in Settings, Connections, >immediately below the WiFi settings. Maybe yours is similar.

    Thanks. That didn't work. And I guess I hve to google, with the word
    xioami, so I did and the first two didn't work.

    I know th is doesn't affect many people here and I'm only printing it
    because it's amazing. I haven't tried it yet.
    A reddit guy said:
    These are the steps I did to be able to enable wifi calling on Mint
    Mobile with a Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro:

    Call *#*#869434#*#*

    It will say something like " VoWifi carrier check was disabled "

    Restart the phone.

    Go to SIM settings, pick the mint** sim and activate Wifi Calling (it
    didn't appear before doing these settings). **Since this is a mint
    reddit.


    !!!!
    More than one person said it worked for them too.

    What does he mean by *#*# and #*#*? those very keys on the keypad? YES
    he does, becaue I didn't even have to tap "Dial". just putting those
    symbols and numbers in got the message "VoWifi carrier check was
    disabled". Now I'm restarting. Well, I dont' think it worked for me,
    even though I have the same model he does. Oh, well.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com on Thu Jan 4 18:05:52 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 17:59:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 13:44:02 -0600, Char Jackson ><none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 10:10:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    For another reason I tried to turn on wifi calling and couldn't figure >>>out where to do that. Or maybe it's on now. I looked in the >>>window-shade options and the Settings and saw no reference to it.

    FWIW a Xioami phone, I forget the model.

    On my Samsung Galaxy S20FE, WiFi Calling is located in Settings, Connections, >>immediately below the WiFi settings. Maybe yours is similar.

    Thanks. That didn't work. And I guess I hve to google, with the word >xioami, so I did and the first two didn't work.

    I know th is doesn't affect many people here and I'm only printing it
    because it's amazing. I haven't tried it yet.
    A reddit guy said:
    These are the steps I did to be able to enable wifi calling on Mint
    Mobile with a Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro:

    Call *#*#869434#*#*

    But it worked with *#*#86583#*#* !!! And like I said, you don't have
    to call, only enter the symbols and numbers into the line.

    How could I ever figure this out without other helpful users!!

    It will say something like " VoWifi carrier check was disabled "

    Restart the phone.

    Go to SIM settings, pick the mint** sim and activate Wifi Calling (it
    didn't appear before doing these settings). **Since this is a mint
    reddit.


    !!!!
    More than one person said it worked for them too.

    What does he mean by *#*# and #*#*? those very keys on the keypad? YES
    he does, becaue I didn't even have to tap "Dial". just putting those
    symbols and numbers in got the message "VoWifi carrier check was
    disabled". Now I'm restarting. Well, I dont' think it worked for me,
    even though I have the same model he does. Oh, well.

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Jan 4 19:46:46 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 18:05:52 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 17:59:00 -0500, micky ><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 13:44:02 -0600, Char Jackson >><none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 10:10:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>
    For another reason I tried to turn on wifi calling and couldn't figure >>>>out where to do that. Or maybe it's on now. I looked in the >>>>window-shade options and the Settings and saw no reference to it.

    FWIW a Xioami phone, I forget the model.

    On my Samsung Galaxy S20FE, WiFi Calling is located in Settings, Connections,
    immediately below the WiFi settings. Maybe yours is similar.

    Thanks. That didn't work. And I guess I hve to google, with the word >>xioami, so I did and the first two didn't work.

    I know th is doesn't affect many people here and I'm only printing it >>because it's amazing. I haven't tried it yet.
    A reddit guy said:
    These are the steps I did to be able to enable wifi calling on Mint
    Mobile with a Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro:

    Call *#*#869434#*#*

    But it worked with *#*#86583#*#* !!! And like I said, you don't have
    to call, only enter the symbols and numbers into the line.

    How could I ever figure this out without other helpful users!!

    If you're bored, you can try a few of these codes, or use Google to find others.

    The 57 Best Android Secret Codes of 2024 https://www.lifewire.com/android-secret-codes-7100400

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Char Jackson on Thu Jan 4 22:19:08 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 1/4/2024 8:46 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 18:05:52 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 17:59:00 -0500, micky
    <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 13:44:02 -0600, Char Jackson >>> <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 10:10:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>>
    For another reason I tried to turn on wifi calling and couldn't figure >>>>> out where to do that. Or maybe it's on now. I looked in the
    window-shade options and the Settings and saw no reference to it.

    FWIW a Xioami phone, I forget the model.

    On my Samsung Galaxy S20FE, WiFi Calling is located in Settings, Connections,
    immediately below the WiFi settings. Maybe yours is similar.

    Thanks. That didn't work. And I guess I hve to google, with the word
    xioami, so I did and the first two didn't work.

    I know th is doesn't affect many people here and I'm only printing it
    because it's amazing. I haven't tried it yet.
    A reddit guy said:
    These are the steps I did to be able to enable wifi calling on Mint
    Mobile with a Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro:

    Call *#*#869434#*#*

    But it worked with *#*#86583#*#* !!! And like I said, you don't have
    to call, only enter the symbols and numbers into the line.

    How could I ever figure this out without other helpful users!!

    If you're bored, you can try a few of these codes, or use Google to find others.

    The 57 Best Android Secret Codes of 2024 https://www.lifewire.com/android-secret-codes-7100400


    Presumably designed like these codes. If only the phone
    had a game-controller. Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code

    Paul

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jan 4 23:02:48 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 22:19:08 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 1/4/2024 8:46 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    If you're bored, you can try a few of these codes, or use Google to find others.

    The 57 Best Android Secret Codes of 2024
    https://www.lifewire.com/android-secret-codes-7100400


    Presumably designed like these codes. If only the phone
    had a game-controller. Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code

    I didn't know that one but Roku devices have secret menus that you access like those, consisting of a bunch of Up-Down-Left-Right sequences.

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  • From Dave Royal@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 5 09:28:06 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 04 Jan 2024 18:05:52 -0500 micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 17:59:00 -0500, micky ><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:


    But it worked with *#*#86583#*#* !!! And like I said, you don't have
    to call, only enter the symbols and numbers into the line.

    How could I ever figure this out without other helpful users!!

    If you're going to use these codes it's good to understand the different
    types. Some work everywhere, some work for a make or model of device, some
    work for a particular operator or SIM.

    This is rather old, but a good summary and probably still true:

    What’s the difference between USSD, MMI and SS codes? https://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/mmi-ussd-ss-codes-explained.html
    --
    (Remove numerics from email address)

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Jan 5 09:46:35 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 04/01/2024 12:11, Paul wrote:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago. >>

    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108?hl=en

    These contains some words about the telco side, as well
    as the flavor of Wifi 6/6e provided.

    https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-mobile-hotspots


    Perhaps you are not familiar with LTE routers that use a SIM card.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Fri Jan 5 09:51:47 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 04/01/2024 21:09, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two
    years ago.


    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
    knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the house.


    +1
    Except that 'only the owner' is a heck of a generalisation.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to wasbit on Fri Jan 5 11:31:08 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 05.01.24 10:46, wasbit wrote:
    On 04/01/2024 12:11, Paul wrote:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago. >>>

    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108?hl=en

    These contains some words about the telco side, as well
    as the flavor of Wifi 6/6e provided.

    https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-mobile-hotspots


    Perhaps you are not familiar with LTE routers that use a SIM card.

    Seems to be pretty obvious.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 5 12:09:05 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 17:23:

    Am 04.01.24 um 13:11 schrieb Paul:
    [...]
    https://daskannwas.ch/tests/so-einfach-geht-heim-internet-ueber-5g/

    The word router is used. Hotspot or tethering is absolutely irrelevant because the wifi-part ist alway the same.

    The German name WLAN (Wireless LAN) is much more precise than the
    english wifi.

    It's not a "German name". Neither "wireless" nor "local area network" is "German". "Wireless LAN" or "wireless local area network" *is* the
    official English term for that kind of network connections.

    "WiFi" is an abbrevation for the slogan "Wireless Fidelity" originally
    created by Interbrand, the company hired by the alliance which did
    search for a more catchier name instead of "IEEE 802.11b". And
    "wireless LAN" was also not "catchy" enough. So Interbrand created
    "Wireless Fidelity" along with the "WiFi" logo and that became the
    standard term similar to like using brand names like "Tempo" in Germany
    for a hanky or "UHU" for glue.


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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 5 12:01:38 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 5 12:16:08 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:

    Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    [...]
    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
    knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the
    house.

    +1

    Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.

    "Hotspot" in this context is just another term for "Wifi access point".
    How this access point provides an internet connection is not important
    for the clients. For the client there is no differnce, if the Wifi is
    provided by a Smartphone with its hotspot feature enabled or if that is
    a router with a 4G/5G mobile network connection.

    However, "tethering" in it's original meaning is using another device
    for specific services via a tether - this can be a cable but also
    wireless thethering via bluetooth or Wifi is possible.

    In the context of Smartphones the service is usually internet access,
    but there is also "tethered digital photography" where you connect a
    digital camera to a computer (usually using USB or Wifi) and take
    pictures with the camera which will then processed directly on the computer.


    --
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    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Fri Jan 5 18:31:36 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 05.01.24 12:16, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:

    Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    [...]
    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
    knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the >>> house.

    +1

    Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.

    No, it is only a gateway to the internet.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Fri Jan 5 12:22:11 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 1/5/2024 5:31 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 05.01.24 10:46, wasbit wrote:
    On 04/01/2024 12:11, Paul wrote:
    On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
    popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago.


    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108?hl=en

    These contains some words about the telco side, as well
    as the flavor of Wifi 6/6e provided.

    https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-mobile-hotspots


    Perhaps you are not familiar with LTE routers that use a SIM card.

    Seems to be pretty obvious.


    It's not clear you even need it here.

    If you look at the SSIDs in the city, you'll find
    a supply of Telco ones. Which suggests some boxen
    near me, serve Wifi, as well as a tower I can see from
    my livingroom window, offers 4G and 5G. That
    means there are at least four connection options
    in my neighbourhood: ADSL/VDSL, fiber, 4G/5G, Wifi SSIDs
    with telco names. the fiber was moled in, last year
    (no trench).

    Originally, the box that offered tethering, did not
    come with the module for 4G. That was acquired separately
    by the user. And placed inside a small box ("Cradlepoint").
    Only certain combinations of Verizon this and Cradlepoint that,
    worked together. I cannot find a picture of the devices
    offered long ago for this.

    The box was then connected to a laptop. The reason for all this
    careful design, is so that only *one computer* would
    connect over 4G. The intention was not to cause a high
    occupancy connection to the tower, fucking up the
    statistics of usage. Just the data cap, was supposed to
    control the activity.

    Back when this was going on, at least some telecoms in
    the States, had automatic detection you were doing this,
    and a $10 monthly fee would immediately show up on the bill.

    As to what people choose to do today, I have no idea
    what the telco agrees to do. Having too many fools doing
    Windows Update off one tower, cannot end well. When I go to the
    mall, I have zero interest in Telecoms, deals on SIMS
    and such like. I don't own a smartphone. My scrolling thumb is
    the original length - no wear :-)

    Imagine how big my phone bill is each month. Is it $200 ?
    Do I moan about it ? It's $10 a month. That's my bill.

    I swore an oath, I would not do business with the local telco,
    and... I've stuck to my guns. They kept raising the price of
    POTS into the stratosphere, and we parted company. In my city,
    it took the miserable fuckers *ten years* to implement number
    portability, so I could port my number and "escape". And apparently
    holding my phone number hostage, was "legal".

    I even had to go to the local Phone Store, and have my name
    and address taken off the list for their "door to door salesman".
    I explained to the clerk, that some day, one of them
    would be badly beaten, and this was the best thing for
    both parties. IT took a bit of time, but the staff did find
    the contact in the main office downtown, to be removed
    from their marketing group.

    I'm still hooked to the phone system, but there is
    "one degree of separation", so I no longer have to deal
    with their staff and policies. You know, "Retention department".
    Best for both parties. And my blood pressure.

    They weren't always that way. At one time, the Phone Store
    staff were empowered. If you wanted to stop a POTS service,
    it would only take five minutes at the counter. And then
    one day, everything changed. The staff at the store told
    me, they could no longer do anything like that, and everything
    had to be done through Retention. And the Retention Asshole
    on the phone, would not listen to instructions.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Fri Jan 5 12:33:36 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 1/5/2024 6:01 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.


    Wifi is on a number of bands now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi

    "The 802.11 standard provides several distinct radio frequency ranges
    for use in Wi-Fi communications: 900 MHz, 2.4 GHz, 3.6 GHz, 4.9 GHz,
    5 GHz, 5.9 GHz and 60 GHz bands. Each range is divided into a
    multitude of channels."

    Some of the allocation is via whitespace. If your equipment hears radar
    pulses, it is not allowed to transmit on the band or channel. This means
    if an area does not have a radar, you might squeeze some Wifi usage from it. The firmware in the box you bought, contains the country-compliant logic
    for the policies.

    And some of the bands are unlicensed zoos. And you know which ones
    those are.

    The wall penetration power, improves the lower the frequency. 900MHz
    would be very nice, but I can't imagine where that is a legal band.

    The top end of the broadcast television spectrum was sold off, but I don't know if any services have finally been placed in that band.

    Paul

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 6 15:32:09 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-05 18:31:

    On 05.01.24 12:16, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:

    Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    [...]
    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner >>>> knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the >>>> house.

    +1

    Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.

    No, it is only a gateway to the internet.

    Please explain the difference between a smartphone being used as a
    mobile hotspot and a mobile router with an LTE/5G module provide
    internet access via WiFi.

    Keep in mind, that a smartphone also allows multiple devices to use the
    hotspot at the same time.

    --
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    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 6 15:33:48 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Paul, 2024-01-05 18:33:

    On 1/5/2024 6:01 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.


    Wifi is on a number of bands now.

    I know that! I just misunderstood the posting.

    JFTR: I've been in the IT industry as network administrator, software
    developer and project manager for more than 30 years and also develop
    Android software.


    --
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    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Jan 7 11:41:41 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 1/6/2024 9:33 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Paul, 2024-01-05 18:33:

    On 1/5/2024 6:01 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    micky wrote:

    I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.

    No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.

    5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.

    Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.


    Wifi is on a number of bands now.

    I know that! I just misunderstood the posting.

    JFTR: I've been in the IT industry as network administrator, software developer and project manager for more than 30 years and also develop
    Android software.

    I'm learning new things every day.

    Just today, I learned they changed Avogadros Number :-/
    It is no longer 6.02252 x 10^23 any more.

    This was the subject of a number of nerd jokes.
    And damn if they haven't made a joke of it, once again.

    That's why cans of Coca Cola are getting smaller.

    Paul

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Jan 7 21:27:43 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-01-06 15:32, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-05 18:31:

    On 05.01.24 12:16, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:

    Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
    On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
    [...]
    But that device usually has a different name.

    "Hotspot" "Tethering"

    No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner >>>>> knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the >>>>> house.

    +1

    Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.

    No, it is only a gateway to the internet.

    Please explain the difference between a smartphone being used as a
    mobile hotspot and a mobile router with an LTE/5G module provide
    internet access via WiFi.

    Keep in mind, that a smartphone also allows multiple devices to use the hotspot at the same time.

    For instance, the phone allows a very limited number of "clients",
    something like 6 or 8. A router doesn't specify a limit.

    Two computers communicating one to another with a phone in the middle,
    will possibly run slower than when there is a proper router in the middle.

    The router also accepts ethernet connections.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 01:56:03 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Carlos E.R., 2024-01-07 21:27:

    On 2024-01-06 15:32, Arno Welzel wrote:
    [...]
    Please explain the difference between a smartphone being used as a
    mobile hotspot and a mobile router with an LTE/5G module provide
    internet access via WiFi.

    Keep in mind, that a smartphone also allows multiple devices to use the
    hotspot at the same time.

    For instance, the phone allows a very limited number of "clients",
    something like 6 or 8. A router doesn't specify a limit.

    So what? Technically it is still works exactly the same way like a
    router. And also typical NAT routers used for internet access *have* a
    limit. You just don't hit that very easy depending on the device.

    Two computers communicating one to another with a phone in the middle,
    will possibly run slower than when there is a proper router in the middle.

    The router also accepts ethernet connections.

    There are 4G/5G routers which don't have ethernet and only provide WiFi
    for the clients. Wouldn't you call this "router" because of the missing ethernet connection?


    --
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    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 01:58:52 2024
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Paul, 2024-01-07 17:41:

    [...]
    I'm learning new things every day.

    Just today, I learned they changed Avogadros Number :-/
    It is no longer 6.02252 x 10^23 any more.

    Welcome to the present. They started with that 2015, nearly more then 8
    years ago.

    That's why cans of Coca Cola are getting smaller.

    ;-)

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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