Yes, as someone said, I do find obscure problems. Here is my latest:
I have a dock with a 5 1/4" drive in it
used for backups, and
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:33:37 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Yes, as someone said, I do find obscure problems. Here is my latest:
I have a dock with a 5 1/4" drive in it
Is that a 5 1/4" floppy drive? I think the museum called. They want their >vintage exhibit back.
used for backups, and
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
Hmm, OK, not a floppy drive, but what other drive comes in a 5 1/4"?
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:17:09 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:33:37 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Yes, as someone said, I do find obscure problems. Here is my latest:
I have a dock with a 5 1/4" drive in it
Is that a 5 1/4" floppy drive? I think the museum called. They want their >>vintage exhibit back.
I'm not good with numbers. I guess it's not that big. ;-(
used for backups, and
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
Hmm, OK, not a floppy drive, but what other drive comes in a 5 1/4"?
Let's give up on 5 1/4. What's the most common HDD used in desktop
machines?
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:17:09 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:33:37 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Yes, as someone said, I do find obscure problems. Here is my latest:
I have a dock with a 5 1/4" drive in it
Is that a 5 1/4" floppy drive? I think the museum called. They want their
vintage exhibit back.
I'm not good with numbers. I guess it's not that big. ;-(
used for backups, and
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
Hmm, OK, not a floppy drive, but what other drive comes in a 5 1/4"?
Let's give up on 5 1/4. What's the most common HDD used in desktop
machines?
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:52:53 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:17:09 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:33:37 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>
Yes, as someone said, I do find obscure problems. Here is my latest:
I have a dock with a 5 1/4" drive in it
Is that a 5 1/4" floppy drive? I think the museum called. They want their >>>vintage exhibit back.
I'm not good with numbers. I guess it's not that big. ;-(
used for backups, and
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
Hmm, OK, not a floppy drive, but what other drive comes in a 5 1/4"?
Let's give up on 5 1/4. What's the most common HDD used in desktop >>machines?
They've been 3 1/2" for a very long time now, if you're asking about physical >size of desktop HDDs. Since physical size is standardized, capacity is more >often discussed these days. Yours is a 2 TB model? 1635+145+82 = 1862, which is
exactly what a formatted 2 TB drive would give.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 18 Dec 2023 21:24:56 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:52:53 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:17:09 -0600, Char >>>Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:33:37 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>>
Yes, as someone said, I do find obscure problems. Here is my latest: >>>>>
I have a dock with a 5 1/4" drive in it
Is that a 5 1/4" floppy drive? I think the museum called. They want their >>>>vintage exhibit back.
I'm not good with numbers. I guess it's not that big. ;-(
used for backups, and
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
Hmm, OK, not a floppy drive, but what other drive comes in a 5 1/4"?
Let's give up on 5 1/4. What's the most common HDD used in desktop >>>machines?
They've been 3 1/2" for a very long time now, if you're asking about physical >>size of desktop HDDs. Since physical size is standardized, capacity is more >>often discussed these days. Yours is a 2 TB model? 1635+145+82 = 1862, which is
exactly what a formatted 2 TB drive would give.
Yes, but that was never the problem.
If you look at the list of 4
partition managers in the first post, only one of them points out that
there is a whole bunch of unallocated space in the drive. 85% or so. The >other 3 are misleading. Two or of them make it look the drive if full.
The other one makes it look full in the bottom half of the screen and
hints that it's not in the top half. Why do they do that? Only
Minitools describes it accurately. If Minitools can get it right, why
not the others? I explained it better in the first post,
I think Paul is helping to answer those questions. I've never seen such extreme
disagreements among partition managers before.
On 12/18/2023 11:30 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I think Paul is helping to answer those questions. I've never seen such extreme
disagreements among partition managers before.
I don't have any theories to offer either.
I've had malformed partitions before. Some situations
do not warn (you can receive corruption later, if the
conditions are right for it). Some situations, I could not
fix, so I had to copy data off and make a new partition.
Some of it, involved some partition tool that didn't
put partitions on proper boundaries while doing "Move/Resize".
And later, other (brittle) tools would declare
all sorts of calamities.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:52:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/18/2023 11:30 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I think Paul is helping to answer those questions. I've never seen such extreme
disagreements among partition managers before.
I don't have any theories to offer either.
I've had malformed partitions before. Some situations
do not warn (you can receive corruption later, if the
conditions are right for it). Some situations, I could not
fix, so I had to copy data off and make a new partition.
Some of it, involved some partition tool that didn't
put partitions on proper boundaries while doing "Move/Resize".
And later, other (brittle) tools would declare
all sorts of calamities.
All I can think of is that the dock might be doing something funky. I don't know
anything about it, including what limitations it might have. If nothing better
comes along, I'd pull the drive out of the dock and temporarily connect it to an
internal SATA port. If all of the partition managers suddenly agree on what they're seeing, then we might learn something.
I was assuming that the drive itself is a 2TB model, but I guess I don't know that for sure, either. Maybe it's actually bigger, but the dock is old enough that it doesn't know how to report on anything bigger than 2TB. I'm back to temporarily bypassing the dock to see if anything changes.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:52:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/18/2023 11:30 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I think Paul is helping to answer those questions. I've never seen such extreme
disagreements among partition managers before.
I don't have any theories to offer either.
I've had malformed partitions before. Some situations
do not warn (you can receive corruption later, if the
conditions are right for it). Some situations, I could not
fix, so I had to copy data off and make a new partition.
Some of it, involved some partition tool that didn't
put partitions on proper boundaries while doing "Move/Resize".
And later, other (brittle) tools would declare
all sorts of calamities.
All I can think of is that the dock might be doing something funky. I don't know
anything about it, including what limitations it might have. If nothing better >comes along, I'd pull the drive out of the dock and temporarily connect it to an
internal SATA port.
If all of the partition managers suddenly agree on what
they're seeing, then we might learn something.
I was assuming that the drive itself is a 2TB model, but I guess I don't know
that for sure, either. Maybe it's actually bigger, but the dock is old enough
that it doesn't know how to report on anything bigger than 2TB. I'm back to >temporarily bypassing the dock to see if anything changes.
Minitool Partition Wizard Free 12.8 shows with 3 partitions
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 145GB
unallocated 1635GB
But Macrium Reflect v8.0.7783 shows
System Reserved 955MB
HPWin10OS 82GB
HPWinData 1.74TB
no mention of unallocated space
On 12/19/2023 5:55 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:52:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/18/2023 11:30 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I think Paul is helping to answer those questions. I've never seen such extreme
disagreements among partition managers before.
I don't have any theories to offer either.
I've had malformed partitions before. Some situations
do not warn (you can receive corruption later, if the
conditions are right for it). Some situations, I could not
fix, so I had to copy data off and make a new partition.
Some of it, involved some partition tool that didn't
put partitions on proper boundaries while doing "Move/Resize".
And later, other (brittle) tools would declare
all sorts of calamities.
All I can think of is that the dock might be doing something funky. I don't know
anything about it, including what limitations it might have. If nothing better
comes along, I'd pull the drive out of the dock and temporarily connect it to an
internal SATA port. If all of the partition managers suddenly agree on what >> they're seeing, then we might learn something.
I was assuming that the drive itself is a 2TB model, but I guess I don't know
that for sure, either. Maybe it's actually bigger, but the dock is old enough
that it doesn't know how to report on anything bigger than 2TB. I'm back to >> temporarily bypassing the dock to see if anything changes.
That sounds like a good plan.
That gets rid of one variable.
Paul
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 19 Dec 2023 06:21:09 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/19/2023 5:55 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:52:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/18/2023 11:30 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I think Paul is helping to answer those questions. I've never seen such extreme
disagreements among partition managers before.
I don't have any theories to offer either.
I've had malformed partitions before. Some situations
do not warn (you can receive corruption later, if the
conditions are right for it). Some situations, I could not
fix, so I had to copy data off and make a new partition.
Some of it, involved some partition tool that didn't
put partitions on proper boundaries while doing "Move/Resize".
And later, other (brittle) tools would declare
all sorts of calamities.
All I can think of is that the dock might be doing something funky. I don't know
anything about it, including what limitations it might have. If nothing better
comes along, I'd pull the drive out of the dock and temporarily connect it to an
internal SATA port. If all of the partition managers suddenly agree on what >>> they're seeing, then we might learn something.
I was assuming that the drive itself is a 2TB model, but I guess I don't know
that for sure, either. Maybe it's actually bigger, but the dock is old enough
that it doesn't know how to report on anything bigger than 2TB. I'm back to >>> temporarily bypassing the dock to see if anything changes.
That sounds like a good plan.
That gets rid of one variable.
Paul
I put in another HDD, of unknown physical dimensions, 1.5T, WD green,
and this one had 10gb unallocated in the middle of two used partitions
ane more unallocated space at the end.
And Macrium Reflect free showed both of them in the bar graph (which
is all I see)
AND MS disk management** did too.
And AOMEI showed them in both the bar graph and the table.
Maybe the prior HDD was unusual in some way, having all its unallocated
space at the end? No, that would be typical. ???
** MS DM marked the unallocated space with a black bar at the top, like
the legend says. I guess maybe green for free space would only be used
if the entire allocated partition was empty. It would be of value to
have such a partition highlighted.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:55:48 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
All I can think of is that the dock might be doing something funky. I don't know
anything about it, including what limitations it might have. If nothing better
comes along, I'd pull the drive out of the dock and temporarily connect it to an
internal SATA port.
The small desktop I'm using now doesn't have an empty one. I'm still
hoping to fix up an old tower that I have but that will have to wait
until February at the earliest.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 11:05:40 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:55:48 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
All I can think of is that the dock might be doing something funky. I don't know
anything about it, including what limitations it might have. If nothing better
comes along, I'd pull the drive out of the dock and temporarily connect it to an
internal SATA port.
The small desktop I'm using now doesn't have an empty one. I'm still >>hoping to fix up an old tower that I have but that will have to wait
until February at the earliest.
I know you're packing for a trip, but I'll toss this out anyway. I'd like to say
that technically you don't need an empty SATA port to do this experiment. You >just a need a SATA port that isn't being used for your boot drive. You can >temporarily unplug a CD/DVD drive or a data drive so that you can do this >experiment.
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