I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and running,
it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after clicked
upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program (i.e.
Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and updates
or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I could find
that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-problem
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers, it
only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller. Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage-on- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are included in
the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details are included in
the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online /cleanup-
image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them somewhere where they can be
acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested plan to
'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have to re-
install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT account to do so.
TIA
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and running,
it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after clicked
upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program (i.e.
Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the rest of my session.
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown.
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and running,
it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after clicked
upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program (i.e.
Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and updates
or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I could find
that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-problem
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers, it
only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller. Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage-on- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are included in
the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details are included in
the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online /cleanup-
image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them somewhere where they can be
acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested plan to
'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have to re-
install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT account to do so.
TIA
Boris wrote:
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown.
Check which processes are causing the most file access, whether it's reads or writes, and which files in particular they are accessing with Resource Monitor
Andy Burns wrote:
Check which processes are causing the most file access, whether
it's reads or writes, and which files in particular they are
accessing with Resource Monitor
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/perfmon
perfmon /res
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and
running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after
clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program
(i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with
FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the
rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory and
CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and
updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I
could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-proble
m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers,
it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller. Nonetheless,
burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. Neither does
the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage-o
n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files
and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are
included in the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For
example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details
are included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as
checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it needed
because it identifies corrupt files, and places them somewhere where
they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested plan
to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100%
disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have to
re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT account
to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip). Note:
The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image, the
latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to determine if
the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report a
need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the latter
cleans up the component store.
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and
running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after
clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program
(i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with
FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the
rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory and
CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and
updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I
could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-proble
m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers,
it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller. Nonetheless,
burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. Neither does
the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage-o
n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files
and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are
included in the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For
example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details
are included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as
checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it needed
because it identifies corrupt files, and places them somewhere where
they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested plan
to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100%
disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have to
re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT account
to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models
released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip). Note:
The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image, the
latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to determine if
the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report a
need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the latter
cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there were
two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH. No
change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and rebooted.
There was a significant reduction in load up time, which included the painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk activity settled
down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably quicker. (Occassionally, it
went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess that's what Paul talks about,
Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first re-enable all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
Boris <nospam@invalid.com> wrote:
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news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after
a clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and
running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch
after clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the
program (i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open.
Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond
normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory
and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and
updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I
could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-prob
le m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers, it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller.
Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown.
Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage
-o n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files
and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are
included in the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log.
For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs,
details are included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE
flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as
checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it
needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them
somewhere where they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested
plan to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100%
disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have
to re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT
account to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models
released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip).
Note: The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image,
the latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to
determine if the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report a
need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the latter
cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there
were two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender
Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH. No
change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and rebooted.
There was a significant reduction in load up time, which included the
painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk activity
settled down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably quicker.
(Occassionally, it went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess that's what
Paul talks about, Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first re-enable
all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
Did you disable the Windows Indexing service, too?
If that helps, whether or not you reenable the service depends on
whether or not you ever use it. I don't. Instead I use [Search]
Everything from voidtools. It also has an indexing service, but
doesn't seem to impact the file system as much.
Boris wrote on 12/16/23 5:33 PM:
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news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after
a clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and
running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch
after clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the
program (i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open.
Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond
normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory
and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and
updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I
could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-prob
le m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers, it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller.
Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown.
Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage
-o n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files
and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are
included in the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log.
For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs,
details are included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE
flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as
checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it
needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them
somewhere where they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested
plan to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100%
disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have
to re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT
account to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models
released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip).
Note: The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image,
the latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to
determine if the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report a
need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the latter
cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there
were two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender
Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH. No
change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and rebooted.
There was a significant reduction in load up time, which included the
painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk activity
settled down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably quicker.
(Occassionally, it went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess that's what
Paul talks about, Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first re-enable
all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
- the above will report the status of the component store, and may
show
that a cleanup of the store is necessary. Disregard that info and run
the following:
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
Fyi...it would still be worthwhile to create another Local Windows
logon account(in an existing admin account), them configure the new
account as an admin account. Ensure you remember the password when
creating the new account(its only temporary, and can be removed
later). Logon to the new account to finish setup or the user profile
for that new logon, and test loading/opening programs.
- if you notice a significant difference, report the results...if
you
don't see a difference in the new logon profile, its unlikely there is
a profile issue(i.e. your condition is something else, and possibly
not even Windows related).
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and
running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after
clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program
(i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with
FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the
rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory and
CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and
updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I
could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-proble
m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers,
it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller. Nonetheless,
burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. Neither does
the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage-o
n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files
and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are
included in the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For
example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details
are included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as
checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it needed
because it identifies corrupt files, and places them somewhere where
they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested plan
to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100%
disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have to
re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT account
to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip). Note:
The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image, the
latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to determine if
the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report a
need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the latter
cleans up the component store.
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Boris <nospam@invalid.com>
wrote:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
How many GB of RAM? I think 8 GB should be the minimum for Windows 10.
SSD or harddisk? If harddisk, I would clone to a SSD.
Regards
M.
Boris wrote on 12/16/23 9:47 PM:
Michael Logies <logies@t-online.de> wrote in
news:ks1onipjga0tu36jm47s6t1upangqst81k@4ax.com:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Boris <nospam@invalid.com>
wrote:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
How many GB of RAM? I think 8 GB should be the minimum for Windows
10. SSD or harddisk? If harddisk, I would clone to a SSD.
Regards
M.
Dell Inspiron 5559 15" Laptop
Intel Core i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz
2.40GHz
RAM 8.00 GB
64-bit
Windows 22H2
Build 19045.3803
1 TB HDD, 777GB free
I had been thinking about replacing with an SDD, and I have looked at
some SSDs. I only use about 350GB of space, so a 500-1,000GB would
be plenty. I need to crack open the laptop to see what type of
mounting bracket I'd need, how the drive is connected to the
motherboard, and I need to see how to do a fresh install on a new
SDD. A clone to an SDD may carry over the issues I'm having, don't
know.
I suspect that the BIOS holds the authorization to activate a new
install of the OEM's Windows 10 OS. But I also think I'd have to
create a throw away Microsoft account, as I doubt any of the previous
tricks that circumvented the requirement to create a Microsoft
account in order to install the OS, have been thwarted.
The same tricks work for Windows 10 to create a local account.
The BIOS(if built as a Windows 10 device) the license
authorization(for lack of a better term) is on the mobo firmware.
Once the device is first logged on and authorized, that device an OEM
machine or retail edition of Windows(Pro or Home) is digitally
licensed.
- While it may use the firmware stuff to activate, the MSFT servers
will still look for the earlier digital licensed footprint on their
server for activation and see it as authorized.
Fyi...
- your original post about the SATA AHCI controller instead of IDE is
what it should be...A Windows 10 device with IDE ATA/ATAPI would be
quite rare.
- your i5 CPU, 8GB RAM should be sufficient as well as your 1TB HD
with
about less than 1/3 used(777GB free)
- i.e. with those specs it should not take 15 minutes to settle
down, 5
minutes to shutdown, and normally less than a minute for a program to
open.
Sideline question - not related to your problem
=> You mentioned Photo Gallery (which version - Windows 10 did not
come
pre-built with Photo Gallery, that is a Windows Essentials included
Program, separate installation). Windows 10 in addition to Photos, has
a 'Windows Photo Viewer' program
But, it is mysterious (to me) as to why systems running SATA drives
sometimes show IDE in the device manager:
Yes. That is what I meant in my OP...that my Windows 10 system didn't
use IDE cabling. I haven't seen that since XP/NT, with master and slave
dip swithces.
But, it is mysterious (to me) as to why systems running SATA drives
sometimes show IDE in the device manager:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/0rn2fRQ
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:16f9t4phjjvjk.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
Boris <nospam@invalid.com> wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful
after a clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once
up and running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to
launch after clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for
instance, the program (i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a
minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched,
the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory
and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I
do somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS
and updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what
else I could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-pro
b le m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers, it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller.
Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown.
Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usag
e -o n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt
files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details
are included in the CBS log file located at
windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log.
For offline repairs, details are included in the log fimle
provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as
checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it
needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them
somewhere where they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested
plan to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix
100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to
have to re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a
MSFT account to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models
released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip).
Note: The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image,
the latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to
determine if the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report
a need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the
latter cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there
were two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender
Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH.
No change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and rebooted.
There was a significant reduction in load up time, which included
the painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk activity
settled down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably quicker.
(Occassionally, it went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess that's what
Paul talks about, Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first
launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first re-enable
all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
Did you disable the Windows Indexing service, too?
If that helps, whether or not you reenable the service depends on
whether or not you ever use it. I don't. Instead I use [Search]
Everything from voidtools. It also has an indexing service, but
doesn't seem to impact the file system as much.
Ahhh...hadn't thought of that or done that. I just now disabled it.
I will have to reboot and see the effects tomorrow morning.
I don't use Windows indexing. Way too slow. I also use Everything, amazingly fast.
Thanks.
Boris <nospam@invalid.com> wrote:
But, it is mysterious (to me) as to why systems running SATA drives
sometimes show IDE in the device manager:
IDE = Integrated Drive Electronics (controller on the drive instead of
on the mobo or daughtercard).
SATA = Serial ATA = Serial Advanced Technology Attachment
IDE was first used, and then PATA was used to refer to IDE using flat
cables to differentiate IDE drives that used SATA. All PATA and SATA
are IDE; however, PATA uses 40-pin flat ribbon cables (because they
issue parallel data) while SATA uses 7-pin wire cables for data (which
is serialized). That's why Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) shows an "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers" node listing the SATA controllers (host bus
adapters) on the mobo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#IDE_and_ATA-1
Boris wrote on 12/16/23 9:18 PM:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote inAccount creation for a Local account can be done by navigation from
news:ullncl$2oo6v$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/16/23 5:33 PM:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wroteRun in an Admin Command or Powershell window
in news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful
after a clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once
up and running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to
launch after clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for
instance, the program (i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a
minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched,
the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory
and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I
do somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS
and updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what
else I could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-pr >>>>>> ob le m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers, it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller.
Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's
shown. Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usa >>>>>> ge -o n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt
files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs,
details are included in the CBS log file located at
windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C:
\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details are
included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed
as checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks
and fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it
needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them
somewhere where they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested
plan to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix
100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to
have to re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a
MSFT account to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models
released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip).
Note: The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then
retest opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the
existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image,
the latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to
determine if the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report
a need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the
latter cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there
were two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender
Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH.
No change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and
rebooted. There was a significant reduction in load up time, which
included the painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk
activity settled down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably
quicker. (Occassionally, it went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess
that's what Paul talks about, Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first
launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first
re-enable all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
- the above will report the status of the component store, and
may show
that a cleanup of the store is necessary. Disregard that info and
run the following:
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
Fyi...it would still be worthwhile to create another Local Windows
logon account(in an existing admin account), them configure the new
account as an admin account. Ensure you remember the password when
creating the new account(its only temporary, and can be removed
later). Logon to the new account to finish setup or the user profile
for that new logon, and test loading/opening programs.
- if you notice a significant difference, report the results...if
you
don't see a difference in the new logon profile, its unlikely there
is a profile issue(i.e. your condition is something else, and
possibly not even Windows related).
Yes, I had planned to create another Local Windows logon...just
hadn't gotten to it yet.
When I go to Settings>Accounts>Your info, I see
My Name
Local Account
Administrator
I don't see anywhere there to create another Local Windows logon.
I suspect there's another "real, top level" Administrator account,
but I don't know how to get there. Is that where you are suggesting
to create another Local Windows logon?
Sorry for so many simple questions.
multiple places from an existing Admin account
'Control Panel/User Accounts/Manage Accounts/Add new user in PC
Settings' or
Go/Navigate to the same location to add an account
Settings/Accounts/Other Users/Add Account
- Select/Click 'I dont have this persons sign in information'
- Select/Click 'Add a user without a Microsoft account'
=> Enter Username and Password
Once the account is created go back to Accounts/User Accounts, select
the new account and use the 'Change account' option to change it to an
admin account.
Logoff the current admin account that created the account, restart and
select the new Local admin account. enter the password...Windows will
fnish creating the logon account, issue a Welcome or similar command
while it's building the folder structure and finally display the
desktop for the new account.
=> At that point you can then navigate to different installed
programs
and see if the new account makes a difference in time to open
programs, Disk usage %, CPU usage, etc.
- i.e. what you are doing is comparing one account's vs the
possible
problem account.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:xbwpftn0pmi9$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
Boris <nospam@invalid.com> wrote:
But, it is mysterious (to me) as to why systems running SATA drives
sometimes show IDE in the device manager:
IDE = Integrated Drive Electronics (controller on the drive instead of
on the mobo or daughtercard).
SATA = Serial ATA = Serial Advanced Technology Attachment
IDE was first used, and then PATA was used to refer to IDE using flat
cables to differentiate IDE drives that used SATA. All PATA and SATA
are IDE; however, PATA uses 40-pin flat ribbon cables (because they
issue parallel data) while SATA uses 7-pin wire cables for data (which
is serialized). That's why Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) shows an "IDE
ATA/ATAPI controllers" node listing the SATA controllers (host bus
adapters) on the mobo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#IDE_and_ATA-1
So a SATA drive still has it's controller on the drive itself, and not on
the mobo?
I do remember the PATA 40-pin flat ribbon cable. If I remember, it
connected my Windows 95 and XP to a parallel HP laser printer. And maybe
my Xerox 820 (or Gateway?) to a Diablo printer.
Boris wrote on 12/17/23 9:36 PM:
Sideline question - not related to your problem
=> You mentioned Photo Gallery (which version - Windows 10 did
not come
pre-built with Photo Gallery, that is a Windows Essentials included
Program, separate installation). Windows 10 in addition to Photos,
has a 'Windows Photo Viewer' program
Years ago, I saved the offline install programs for Windows
Essentials 11 and 12. I installed Essentials 12, Live Mail, Photo
Gallery, and Movie Maker. I like that Photo Gallery shows pictures
in sub-folders without having to drill down to/open those subfolders.
I use Live Mail.
That's why I asked. To the folks that were email and news weaned on
OE the release of the Live and later Windows 'Essentials' met a lot of resistance.
The OE team(and its internal successor, Vista's Windows mail)was
disbanded years before the Live Essentials beta was released in 2007.
- that loyal OE following never fully understood the 'Essentials
purpose' and that seminal change was the foundation for what continues today[1] Granted WLM/PG/MM were not the best choice program for many,
but it was never intended for the 'many'. It was the beginning of
desktop to cloud integration, intended for use with a Live/Hotmail/MSN.com(now Microsft) accounts and for a specific and
intended purpose.
- Integration across programs in the Essentials suite,
integration(sync) with SkyDrive, Live/Hotmail/MSn.com web stored
email, contacts, calendar which made the OE crowd even more incensed.
Throw in the telemetry collection aspect and that initial incense grew
to irateness.
[1]Essentials was a concept and vision for the future. With the
deprecation of the Essentials product line, that didn't stop the
initial objective which now exists today across Windows, Office,
Contacts, Calendar, apps(iOs, Android)...but even more so across the
entire Enterprise spectrum via Azure- which turned out to be one of Microsoft's largest revenue contributors(excluding Windows and Office)
- i.e. it was never about providing a replacement for OE, but a
vision(and an accurate one) for the future.
I also like and use Live Photo Gallery/Movie Maker. I only use Live
Mail b/c it is still much better than TBird and other news clients for
Html supported and based news groups. My primary email client(since
1997 is Outlook).
Lol...folks reading this will probably continue to raise their 15 yr
old opinions against WLM, the cloud, telemetry...anything said, has
already been heard.
transmission problems on an old Oldsmobile or Ford Pinto that was sold
or put in the scrap yard(like OE was) years ago.
Looking back, Photo Gallery while never the lead program(or intended
to be) in the Essentials suite, proved to be the most long term useful
of the entire Essentials suite.
Even though its 'sign in' features no longer function for its design
intent integration, it still works with OneDrive(and in Windows 11
too)
- just add the OneDrive folder to PG's Gallery. Then it's just a
matter
or placing a file(copy, move, save) etc in the OneDrive local folder
or add a file in the OneDrive web UI and it's available in PG.
Glad to hear someone still recognizing its usefulness.
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Boris wrote on 12/16/23 9:18 PM:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote inAccount creation for a Local account can be done by navigation from
news:ullncl$2oo6v$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/16/23 5:33 PM:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wroteRun in an Admin Command or Powershell window
in news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016 >>>>>>>
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful
after a clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once >>>>>>> up and running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to
launch after clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for
instance, the program (i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a >>>>>>> minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, >>>>>>> the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory >>>>>>> and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I >>>>>>> do somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS >>>>>>> and updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what
else I could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-pr >>>>>>> ob le m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers, it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller.
Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's
shown. Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usa >>>>>>> ge -o n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt
files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs,
details are included in the CBS log file located at
windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C:
\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details are
included in the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed
as checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks >>>>>>> and fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it >>>>>>> needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them
somewhere where they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested
plan to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix
100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to >>>>>>> have to re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a
MSFT account to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models >>>>>> released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip).
Note: The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then
retest opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the
existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image, >>>>>> the latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to
determine if the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report >>>>>> a need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the
latter cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there
were two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender
Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH.
No change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and
rebooted. There was a significant reduction in load up time, which
included the painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk
activity settled down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably
quicker. (Occassionally, it went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess
that's what Paul talks about, Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first
launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first
re-enable all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
- the above will report the status of the component store, and
may show
that a cleanup of the store is necessary. Disregard that info and
run the following:
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
Fyi...it would still be worthwhile to create another Local Windows
logon account(in an existing admin account), them configure the new
account as an admin account. Ensure you remember the password when
creating the new account(its only temporary, and can be removed
later). Logon to the new account to finish setup or the user profile
for that new logon, and test loading/opening programs.
- if you notice a significant difference, report the results...if
you
don't see a difference in the new logon profile, its unlikely there
is a profile issue(i.e. your condition is something else, and
possibly not even Windows related).
Yes, I had planned to create another Local Windows logon...just
hadn't gotten to it yet.
When I go to Settings>Accounts>Your info, I see
My Name
Local Account
Administrator
I don't see anywhere there to create another Local Windows logon.
I suspect there's another "real, top level" Administrator account,
but I don't know how to get there. Is that where you are suggesting
to create another Local Windows logon?
Sorry for so many simple questions.
multiple places from an existing Admin account
'Control Panel/User Accounts/Manage Accounts/Add new user in PC
Settings' or
Go/Navigate to the same location to add an account
Settings/Accounts/Other Users/Add Account
- Select/Click 'I dont have this persons sign in information'
- Select/Click 'Add a user without a Microsoft account'
=> Enter Username and Password
Once the account is created go back to Accounts/User Accounts, select
the new account and use the 'Change account' option to change it to an
admin account.
Logoff the current admin account that created the account, restart and
select the new Local admin account. enter the password...Windows will
fnish creating the logon account, issue a Welcome or similar command
while it's building the folder structure and finally display the
desktop for the new account.
=> At that point you can then navigate to different installed
programs
and see if the new account makes a difference in time to open
programs, Disk usage %, CPU usage, etc.
- i.e. what you are doing is comparing one account's vs the
possible
problem account.
Thanks for the instructions.
Looks like no matter what identity (account profile) I use, results are
the same. Sloooooow.
I created another local administrator account, "Tester". So now I have
two local administrator accounts. Tester was excrutiatingly slow to load
the OS and eventually paint the desktop. Tester did not have all
programs that Boris had, but all those that I tried on Tester acted that
same as if I'd launched them from Boris's account...slow to launch.
Also, the disk drive took so long to settle down from 100%, that I gave
up.
Looks like no matter what identity (account profile) I use, results are
the same. Sloooooow.
Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Looks like no matter what identity (account profile) I use, results are
the same. Sloooooow.
How old the HDD? If there has been lots of bad sectors found that got remapped to recovery sectory on the platters, the remapping will slow
down access. The OS will try to access files, but get the seek remapped
to the recovery sectors, and remapping involves redirection that takes
time.
Also, the HDD will retry operations about 3 times. The OS will retry operations about 5 times. So, for iffy sectors that occasionally have
read errors, there will 15 retries, or more, and all those retries take
time. Have you yet ran "chkdsk /r" in an admin command shell? Alas,
chkdsk will consider a sector okay if one of the 15 retries succeeds.
You need a drive tester that inspects all sectors (GRC Spinrite, HDD Regenerator, both have a 30-day guarantee: if you find it doesn't fix
your HDD, you can get a refund). The good tools cost money, so they're really for admins or techs that want to add them to their software
toolbox. I've heard of, but not used, TestDisk which is free. The HDD makers also have their own test tools (e.g., Seagate Seatools, Western Digital Lifeguard).
For end users, probably simpler and cheaper than pay for Spinrite, HDD Regenerator, or other professional-grade payware is to clone the suspect drive to a new drive, and go foward with the new drive.
Boris <nospam@invalid.com> wrote in news:XnsB0DCD005A1E72nospaminvalidcom@135.181.20.170:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:16f9t4phjjvjk.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
Boris <nospam@invalid.com> wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uli2gn$2089t$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/14/23 9:54 PM:
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a
while, now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful
after a clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once
up and running, it takes around a minute or so for a program to
launch after clicked upon. If I want to open a picture, for
instance, the program (i.e. Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a
minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched,
the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory
and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I
do somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS
and updates or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what
else I could find that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-pro >>>>>> b le m
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers, it only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller.
Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. >>>>>> Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usag >>>>>> e -o n- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt
files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details >>>>>> are included in the CBS log file located at
windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. >>>>>> For offline repairs, details are included in the log fimle
provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online
/cleanup- image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as >>>>>> checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and
fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it
needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them
somewhere where they can be acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested
plan to 'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix
100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to
have to re- install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a
MSFT account to do so.
TIA
Might be worth it to:
a. include actual device specs(fyi one of the the Dell 5559 models
released/built/shipped was 4GB RAM with 1 TB HD, i5 Intel chip).
Note: The i5 would normally be sufficient for Win10.
b.Create a new Local Windows account with admin rights, then retest
opening programs.
With respect to Scanhealth, Checkhealth
- Neither 'fix' anything, only providing a status of the existing
image. The former only checks for corruption of the Windows image,
the latter also diagnostic, performs a more advanced scan to
determine if the image has an issue worthy of being repaired.
=> Unlike the DISM's RestoreHealth which repairs a image.
Design intent is to run these three DISM commands in order
ScanHealth, Checkhealth and RestoreHealth
The latter is usually and only necessary when the first two report
a need to do so.
Other DISM commands are available
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
The first is diagnostic related(just reports, no fixing), the
latter cleans up the component store.
I ran the last DISM command in the instructions, RestoreHealth, and
rebooted. No change, still slow to boot and settle down.
Still following the instructions, I checked for updates, and there
were two Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender
Antivirus. Both installed successfully.
Restart, and disable Microsoft Defender. suggested by VanguardLH.
No change
Next, I hid all Microsoft services, disabled the rest, and rebooted.
There was a significant reduction in load up time, which included
the painting of all desktop and task bar icons. And, disk activity
settled down to 0 to 10 percent activity noticeably quicker.
(Occassionally, it went up to 20 to 30 percent. I guess that's what
Paul talks about, Windows is always doing something.)
But, Programs still take a long time to start up when first
launched.
I've started on Paul's suggestions, but I think I'll first re-enable
all programs in the System Configurations Startup tab.
Did you disable the Windows Indexing service, too?
If that helps, whether or not you reenable the service depends on
whether or not you ever use it. I don't. Instead I use [Search]
Everything from voidtools. It also has an indexing service, but
doesn't seem to impact the file system as much.
Ahhh...hadn't thought of that or done that. I just now disabled it.
I will have to reboot and see the effects tomorrow morning.
I don't use Windows indexing. Way too slow. I also use Everything,
amazingly fast.
Thanks.
I forgot to reply that disabling Windows indexing made no difference.
(I also left it disabled.)
Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
... I've heard of, but not used, TestDisk which is free. The HDD
makers also have their own test tools (e.g., Seagate Seatools, Western Digital Lifeguard).
I've heard of, but not used, TestDisk which is free. The HDD
makers also have their own test tools (e.g., Seagate Seatools, Western Digital Lifeguard).
Paul mentioned using Perfmon, and Andy mentioned using Resource Monitor. Another tool is SysInternals Procmon. Those can help show what is
generating lots of drive traffic.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
[...]
Paul mentioned using Perfmon, and Andy mentioned using Resource Monitor.
Another tool is SysInternals Procmon. Those can help show what is
generating lots of drive traffic.
Indeed! Especially running Resource Monitor and looking at the Disk Activity and Storage (what is the Disk Queue length?) sections, should
give some clue as to what the disk is doing.
AFAICT, Boris has not looked at this. It would be the first place
where I would look.
[...]
None of the instrumentation is perfect.
You know, one day, my processor was railed on two or three cores.
What did Task Manager say ?
System Idle 99
xxx 00 \
yyy 00 \___ All the other programs read "00"
zzz 00 /
In other words, a detailed list of consumption revealed "nothing"
was using cycles. Yet, the CPU panes showed three cores railed.
Process Explorer from Sysinternals, includes some digits after the decimal,
On 12/20/2023 10:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
[...]
Paul mentioned using Perfmon, and Andy mentioned using Resource Monitor. >> Another tool is SysInternals Procmon. Those can help show what is
generating lots of drive traffic.
Indeed! Especially running Resource Monitor and looking at the Disk Activity and Storage (what is the Disk Queue length?) sections, should
give some clue as to what the disk is doing.
AFAICT, Boris has not looked at this. It would be the first place
where I would look.
[...]
None of the instrumentation is perfect.
You know, one day, my processor was railed on two or three cores.
What did Task Manager say ?
System Idle 99
xxx 00 \
yyy 00 \___ All the other programs read "00"
zzz 00 /
In other words, a detailed list of consumption revealed "nothing"
was using cycles. Yet, the CPU panes showed three cores railed.
Process Explorer from Sysinternals, includes some digits after the decimal, and for some reason, seems to be able to list what is going on.
But Boris' problem is disk I/O bound, not CPU bound, so I don't see
how this is relevant or helping him.
Frank Slootweg wrote on 12/21/23 6:02 AM:installers, and Surface drivers, and OneDrive local synced storage) - the only significant user related data file on the main SSD is Outlook's *.pst
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/20/2023 10:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Indeed! Especially running Resource Monitor and looking at the Disk >>>> Activity and Storage (what is the Disk Queue length?) sections, should >>>> give some clue as to what the disk is doing.
AFAICT, Boris has not looked at this. It would be the first place >>>> where I would look.
[...]
None of the instrumentation is perfect.
Of course, nothing is perfect.
You know, one day, my processor was railed on two or three cores.
What did Task Manager say ?
System Idle 99
xxx 00 \
yyy 00 \___ All the other programs read "00"
zzz 00 /
In other words, a detailed list of consumption revealed "nothing"
was using cycles. Yet, the CPU panes showed three cores railed.
Process Explorer from Sysinternals, includes some digits after the decimal, >>> and for some reason, seems to be able to list what is going on.
But Boris' problem is disk I/O bound, not CPU bound, so I don't see
how this is relevant or helping him.
(BTW, Resource Monitor also shows Average CPU usage with two digits
after the decimal point.)
Hi, Frank.
It appears that Disk-I/O could be a concern or only part of(it). At this stage(after 7 days) everything is just a guess.
Yesterday, I requested more information a few hours prior to Paul's latest post(above, included in your reply) lacking that everything is just a boatload of theory(try this, try that, look at this, etc.)
I was curious...so I powered up my 8 yr old Surface 3(Win10 Pro, Atom CPU, 4 GB RAM, 128 GB drive - eMMC(NAND like SSD), 128GB SDXC), 56 GB Used on the 128GB eMMC, 63 GB Used on the 128 GB SDXC - all data(files, music, pictures, 3rd party program
Background - this device was as-shipped as Windows 8.1 Home(purchased July 2015 a few days after Win10 initial public release[it had a $100 discount and included at no cost the leather case and the pen]. It was upgraded to the 10 Home immediatelyafter setting up the initial MSA and a Local account. The Local admin was used to upgrade 'free' to Win10. Post Win10 upgrade an 8.1 Pro Product key(key card, no media, received at a MSFT sponsored local event) to Windows 10 Pro. Currently running Win10
- for today's standards, the Surface 3 is a slow device spec wise and horsepower.an HDD instead of its eMMC disk - probably, but not significant for the exceedingly longer times that Boris reported.
Compared to Boris system times.
Power on to Windows logon screen - just shy of 20 sec
Windows logon to desktop - 15 secs(of the Welcome notice with its circle spinning) then 5 seconds of a blank(black) screen before desktop appears
Desktop - Once the desktop loads, another range of 10-15 secs before the Taskbar, QuickLaunch Bar and Notification icons fully appear. The last and always last icon to appear is the Notification area's Security/Defender icon.
- Task Manager wise, only Windows Security notification is running(everything else disabled)
This Surface 3 device has a reasonable useful but not extensive compliment of software
- M365 Office, iTunes, Chrome, SeaMonkey, Edge, Windows Essentials(Photo Gallery), Adobe DC Classic, IrfanView, CCleaner, Macrium Reflect free, Acronis True Image 2020, MBAM, and Zoom
From a resource respective on program loading - iTunes, Acronis and Macrium take the longest, but never more than 20 sec. Office Outook 365 with multiple accts(POP, IMAP, and Exchange, 2.5GB *.PST is quick - less than 10 sec.
Shutdown/Power Off - 25 sec from Local account, 20 sec from an MSA.
Granted this device with an old Atom chip and minimum RAM, lower performance eMMC than an SSD - thus much better speeds for those noted items would be not seem to be dramatically improvements with a better CPU and more RAM. Would they be slower with
- if I were to continue to guess, as you noted possibly Disk-I/O related, but without more details, that's just another 'swag'.
This 8 yr old Surface 3 looks like a ram jet compared to his glider type speeds.
Boris wrote on 12/19/23 7:18 PM:
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote inThanks for the update and the willingness to test another profile.
news:ulm81a$2r0rl$1@dont-email.me:
Account creation for a Local account can be done by navigation from
multiple places from an existing Admin account
'Control Panel/User Accounts/Manage Accounts/Add new user in PC
Settings' or
Go/Navigate to the same location to add an account
Settings/Accounts/Other Users/Add Account
- Select/Click 'I dont have this persons sign in information'
- Select/Click 'Add a user without a Microsoft account'
=> Enter Username and Password
Once the account is created go back to Accounts/User Accounts,
select the new account and use the 'Change account' option to change
it to an admin account.
Logoff the current admin account that created the account, restart
and select the new Local admin account. enter the password...Windows
will fnish creating the logon account, issue a Welcome or similar
command while it's building the folder structure and finally display
the desktop for the new account.
=> At that point you can then navigate to different installed
programs
and see if the new account makes a difference in time to open
programs, Disk usage %, CPU usage, etc.
- i.e. what you are doing is comparing one account's vs the
possible
problem account.
Thanks for the instructions.
Looks like no matter what identity (account profile) I use, results
are the same. Sloooooow.
I created another local administrator account, "Tester". So now I
have two local administrator accounts. Tester was excrutiatingly
slow to load the OS and eventually paint the desktop. Tester did not
have all programs that Boris had, but all those that I tried on
Tester acted that same as if I'd launched them from Boris's
account...slow to launch. Also, the disk drive took so long to settle
down from 100%, that I gave up.
Your results indicate it's not unique to a given windows logon
profile, thus an existing limit - not image related(if you ran *all*
the DISM commands to ensure the image and component store were
addressed) - or bottleneck associated with the hardware, software, o/s
and their associated services and performances.
Some suggestions(Paul, Vanguard) are trickling in now that more
information has been provided by you...but more info may be necessary
suggest other possible recommendations or direction.
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in news:uluksg$ht0l$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/19/23 7:18 PM:
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote inThanks for the update and the willingness to test another profile.
news:ulm81a$2r0rl$1@dont-email.me:
Account creation for a Local account can be done by navigation from
multiple places from an existing Admin account
'Control Panel/User Accounts/Manage Accounts/Add new user in PC
Settings' or
Go/Navigate to the same location to add an account
Settings/Accounts/Other Users/Add Account
- Select/Click 'I dont have this persons sign in information'
- Select/Click 'Add a user without a Microsoft account'
=> Enter Username and Password
Once the account is created go back to Accounts/User Accounts,
select the new account and use the 'Change account' option to change
it to an admin account.
Logoff the current admin account that created the account, restart
and select the new Local admin account. enter the password...Windows
will fnish creating the logon account, issue a Welcome or similar
command while it's building the folder structure and finally display
the desktop for the new account.
=> At that point you can then navigate to different installed
programs
and see if the new account makes a difference in time to open
programs, Disk usage %, CPU usage, etc.
- i.e. what you are doing is comparing one account's vs the
possible
problem account.
Thanks for the instructions.
Looks like no matter what identity (account profile) I use, results
are the same. Sloooooow.
I created another local administrator account, "Tester". So now I
have two local administrator accounts. Tester was excrutiatingly
slow to load the OS and eventually paint the desktop. Tester did not
have all programs that Boris had, but all those that I tried on
Tester acted that same as if I'd launched them from Boris's
account...slow to launch. Also, the disk drive took so long to settle
down from 100%, that I gave up.
Your results indicate it's not unique to a given windows logon
profile, thus an existing limit - not image related(if you ran *all*
the DISM commands to ensure the image and component store were
addressed) - or bottleneck associated with the hardware, software, o/s
and their associated services and performances.
Some suggestions(Paul, Vanguard) are trickling in now that more
information has been provided by you...but more info may be necessary
suggest other possible recommendations or direction.
I've been away from this laptop for a while, and just got back. I see
lots of theories because I've not been able to provide specific
diagnostic information that would possibly provide better leads as to my
100% disk usage issue.
I've run ProcessMonitor, ResourceMonitor, Perfmon, and ProcessExplorer,
but I don't know how to interpret them. Making screenshots during 100%
disk usage has been difficult, because the screenshot program doesn't
like to load. More importanty, I don't know how to interpret what I see. I'll provide (below) what I've been able to shoot while the disk is at
100% usage.
I'll give as much new information here, rather than respond separately to
all the new posts I see.
Time for machine to get to settling down from Start, 21 minutes, as
follows:
Start...press the hardware start button on the laptop
Dell logo appears
5-55 sec. (50 sec.) screen is black
55-2:50 (1 min. 55 sec.) please wait
2:50-2:55 (5 sec.) lock screen
2:55-3:20 (25 sec.) my background screen appears
3:20-3:30 (10 sec.) Boris welcome screen with spinning circle
3:30-6:00 (2 min. 30 sec.) screen is black
6:00-6:30 (30 sec.) my own desktop background appears without icons or taskbar
6:30-9:00 (2 min. 30 sec.) desktop icons appear
9:00-9:10 (10 sec.) taskbar icons appear
at 9 1/2 minutes I go to taskmanager, and disk finally settles down at 21 minutes
Even once settled down, still takes more that a minute (or more) to
launch some programs for the first time during a session. And once the program reacts normally, if I close it, and don't use it for a while, it
can take a long time to launch it again.
hard drive is Seagate: https://goughlui.com/the-hard-disk-corner/seagate-st1000lm024-hn-m101mbb- momentus-2-5-1tb-2014/
Safe mode (under Boris, not Tester) takes long to load, and while in Safe Mode, task manager only displays CPU and memory, so can't see if disk is
100% usage, but the programs that do launch in Safe Mode do launch
normally, such as IrfanView, FastStone Image viewer, Adobe Acrobat
Reader. Some programs like VLC launch with server error, probably
checking for updates first, but there's no network connection, and
Windows Photos won't launh at all. Many programs don't appear in the
Safe Mode desktop.
This desktop has no Microsoft account.
There is no password.
Only local account.
No auto-login. Boris has to click in at welcome screen.
This laptop has no hard drive activity light.
Here's screenshots of task manager:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/LjLrYt9
Here's screenshots of ResourceMonitor:
https://postimg.cc/LhX9hFRG
Here's screenshots of Perfmon:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/2zZ34VV
(Odd that both are with disk 100%, but different graphs.)
Here's screenshots of ProcessExplorer:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/NwY7cXn
Here's screenshots of HD Tune:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/YQsz7LX
Don't know if this is of any help.
Thanks.
Start...press the hardware start button on the laptop
Dell logo appears
5-55 sec. (50 sec.) screen is black
55-2:50 (1 min. 55 sec.) please wait
2:50-2:55 (5 sec.) lock screen
2:55-3:20 (25 sec.) my background screen appears
3:20-3:30 (10 sec.) Boris welcome screen with spinning circle
3:30-6:00 (2 min. 30 sec.) screen is black
6:00-6:30 (30 sec.) my own desktop background appears without icons or taskbar
6:30-9:00 (2 min. 30 sec.) desktop icons appear
9:00-9:10 (10 sec.) taskbar icons appear
at 9 1/2 minutes I go to taskmanager, and disk finally settles down at 21 minutes
Even once settled down, still takes more that a minute (or more) to
launch some programs for the first time during a session. And once the program reacts normally, if I close it, and don't use it for a while, it
can take a long time to launch it again.
hard drive is Seagate: https://goughlui.com/the-hard-disk-corner/seagate-st1000lm024-hn-m101mbb-momentus-2-5-1tb-2014/
Safe mode (under Boris, not Tester) takes long to load, and while in Safe Mode, task manager only displays CPU and memory, so can't see if disk is
100% usage, but the programs that do launch in Safe Mode do launch
normally, such as IrfanView, FastStone Image viewer, Adobe Acrobat
Reader. Some programs like VLC launch with server error, probably
checking for updates first, but there's no network connection, and
Windows Photos won't launh at all. Many programs don't appear in the
Safe Mode desktop.
This laptop has no hard drive activity light.
Here's screenshots of task manager:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/LjLrYt9
Here's screenshots of ResourceMonitor:
https://postimg.cc/LhX9hFRG
Here's screenshots of Perfmon:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/2zZ34VV
(Odd that both are with disk 100%, but different graphs.)
Here's screenshots of ProcessExplorer:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/NwY7cXn
Here's screenshots of HD Tune:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/YQsz7LX
On 12/22/2023 6:58 PM, Boris wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uluksg$ht0l$1@dont-email.me:
Boris wrote on 12/19/23 7:18 PM:
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote inThanks for the update and the willingness to test another profile.
news:ulm81a$2r0rl$1@dont-email.me:
Account creation for a Local account can be done by navigation
from multiple places from an existing Admin account
'Control Panel/User Accounts/Manage Accounts/Add new user in PC
Settings' or
Go/Navigate to the same location to add an account
Settings/Accounts/Other Users/Add Account
- Select/Click 'I dont have this persons sign in information'
- Select/Click 'Add a user without a Microsoft account'
=> Enter Username and Password
Once the account is created go back to Accounts/User Accounts,
select the new account and use the 'Change account' option to
change it to an admin account.
Logoff the current admin account that created the account, restart
and select the new Local admin account. enter the
password...Windows will fnish creating the logon account, issue a
Welcome or similar command while it's building the folder
structure and finally display the desktop for the new account.
=> At that point you can then navigate to different installed
programs
and see if the new account makes a difference in time to open
programs, Disk usage %, CPU usage, etc.
- i.e. what you are doing is comparing one account's vs the
possible
problem account.
Thanks for the instructions.
Looks like no matter what identity (account profile) I use, results
are the same. Sloooooow.
I created another local administrator account, "Tester". So now I
have two local administrator accounts. Tester was excrutiatingly
slow to load the OS and eventually paint the desktop. Tester did
not have all programs that Boris had, but all those that I tried on
Tester acted that same as if I'd launched them from Boris's
account...slow to launch. Also, the disk drive took so long to
settle down from 100%, that I gave up.
Your results indicate it's not unique to a given windows logon
profile, thus an existing limit - not image related(if you ran *all*
the DISM commands to ensure the image and component store were
addressed) - or bottleneck associated with the hardware, software,
o/s and their associated services and performances.
Some suggestions(Paul, Vanguard) are trickling in now that more
information has been provided by you...but more info may be
necessary suggest other possible recommendations or direction.
I've been away from this laptop for a while, and just got back. I
see lots of theories because I've not been able to provide specific
diagnostic information that would possibly provide better leads as to
my 100% disk usage issue.
I've run ProcessMonitor, ResourceMonitor, Perfmon, and
ProcessExplorer, but I don't know how to interpret them. Making
screenshots during 100% disk usage has been difficult, because the
screenshot program doesn't like to load. More importanty, I don't
know how to interpret what I see. I'll provide (below) what I've
been able to shoot while the disk is at 100% usage.
I'll give as much new information here, rather than respond
separately to all the new posts I see.
Time for machine to get to settling down from Start, 21 minutes, as
follows:
Start...press the hardware start button on the laptop
Dell logo appears
5-55 sec. (50 sec.) screen is black
55-2:50 (1 min. 55 sec.) please wait
2:50-2:55 (5 sec.) lock screen
2:55-3:20 (25 sec.) my background screen appears
3:20-3:30 (10 sec.) Boris welcome screen with spinning circle
3:30-6:00 (2 min. 30 sec.) screen is black
6:00-6:30 (30 sec.) my own desktop background appears without icons
or taskbar
6:30-9:00 (2 min. 30 sec.) desktop icons appear
9:00-9:10 (10 sec.) taskbar icons appear
at 9 1/2 minutes I go to taskmanager, and disk finally settles down
at 21 minutes
Even once settled down, still takes more that a minute (or more) to
launch some programs for the first time during a session. And once
the program reacts normally, if I close it, and don't use it for a
while, it can take a long time to launch it again.
hard drive is Seagate:
https://goughlui.com/the-hard-disk-corner/seagate-st1000lm024-hn-m101m
bb- momentus-2-5-1tb-2014/
Safe mode (under Boris, not Tester) takes long to load, and while in
Safe Mode, task manager only displays CPU and memory, so can't see if
disk is 100% usage, but the programs that do launch in Safe Mode do
launch normally, such as IrfanView, FastStone Image viewer, Adobe
Acrobat Reader. Some programs like VLC launch with server error,
probably checking for updates first, but there's no network
connection, and Windows Photos won't launh at all. Many programs
don't appear in the Safe Mode desktop.
This desktop has no Microsoft account.
There is no password.
Only local account.
No auto-login. Boris has to click in at welcome screen.
This laptop has no hard drive activity light.
Here's screenshots of task manager:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/LjLrYt9
Here's screenshots of ResourceMonitor:
https://postimg.cc/LhX9hFRG
Here's screenshots of Perfmon:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/2zZ34VV
(Odd that both are with disk 100%, but different graphs.)
Here's screenshots of ProcessExplorer:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/NwY7cXn
Here's screenshots of HD Tune:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/YQsz7LX
Don't know if this is of any help.
Thanks.
Drive is 5400 RPM and started life at the Samsung plant. I would
guess Seagate acquired the Samsung drive business. 5400 RPM, SATA.
Data sheet says 145MB/sec [cough]. (A third-party bench is 120, and
using the "doubling rule", the inner-hub is 50MB/sec so the outer ring
should be 100MB/sec.) It could be a bridged drive with IDE electronics
and a IDE to SATA chip on it. The cache chip is only 16MB
and that means a static RAM, instead of DRAM used now. Static RAM
can also be slow, because a part of the industry is "frozen in time"
at 100MB/sec.
https://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-Spinpoint-ST1000LM024-Cache-3-0Gb/dp/B009 BZUL6I
HDTune says 7600 power on hours, 45000 start-stop.
Reallocated sector count is 0. Nothing there hints at trouble.
The HDTune benchmark is inconclusive, because HDTune is fighting
with whatever else is consuming disk. I get the same problem here,
even after waiting an hour for stuff to quiet down.
The drive was running at 86F / 30C. Which is fine. The drive has
a small cache, so a track buffer is unlikely (a track cache helps
sometimes when wading through a sea of small files). The IOP rating of
the drive, is 58, instead of the 1500+ a modern drive with big DRAM on
it gets. The IOP on an SSD, can be faster than the OS can usefully
employ.
Resource Monitor shows:
"Dell TechHub: replaces Dell Hardware Scan service and is needed
to run the Hardware Scan panel"
Sample of Dell owner bloat-load in msconfig.exe services tab
https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f
-ab9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41
ea-8f78-73c2d158f771-1427808586.
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/inspiron/inspiron-5559- laptop-is-very-slow-and-lags/647f7c71f4ccf8a8deac5b5a
But I would still be curious, to see what Dell software in that
set of Dell services, is making jello out of the computer. We
can't blame all of this on Windows Defender or on a third-party AV
product.
While the disk drive is "operational", it's a bit like my
Seagate 5900 that should never be used as a OS drive :-)
The chipset likely has a SATA II port, the SSD drive will be
SATA III, but, it does not matter (backward compatible) as
the improvement comes from the zero seek time of an SSD.
With Macrium, you could make a Full Backup of the hard drive to
an external storage drive (or even a file share),
to the new empty drive installed in the laptop. That will save on
the cost of an enclosure or adapter cable for the SSD at cloning time.
Do a backup and restore, instead of a clone.
If I was there, I would take a serious look at escorting the Dell
bloat off the computer. It's still a potential waste
# Example of an SSD. 7mm, thinner than 9.5mm current drive.
# While some SSD products advertise "an adapter ring", I've
# never received an adapter ring in the product box. Examine mounting
# to see whether drive will flop around. My tray is secured at both
ends # and does not need a ring. I expect most mountings will be like
that.
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-1tb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147793
The problem with HDD at this time, is there isn't a lot to choose
from. One I had my eye on, it was a Shingled drive. And that would
make it as bad as what you've got.
Paul
So the drive was a four year old POS when Dell put it in their 5559. As
my kids would say, LOL.
That link gives me an error, but I'm interested in what it has to say.
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
I love dogs.
On 12/23/2023 2:02 AM, Boris wrote:
So the drive was a four year old POS when Dell put it in their 5559. As
my kids would say, LOL.
That link gives me an error, but I'm interested in what it has to say.
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The wider you
make your screen, the wider this line will become.
https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78-73c2d158f771-1427808586.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78-73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
I love dogs.
We'll see in January, whether there will be a Good Dog for you.
And by the way, don't expect miracles. The OS presents a lot
of overhead, that cannot be justified. Anything Dell has added,
isn't helping matters. An SSD is not a miracle cure. It's a start
at improving things. Some of the Dell software should be removed
or disabled. msconfig would have made this easy, the new solution
isn't particularly pleasant or clever.
Things I meddle with, when I'm muttering "hurry up, hurry up!".
These are typical during a Cumulative on Patch Tuesday.
1( Stop the sysmain service.
2) Repeatedly kill the SearchIndexer.exe (it is set to restart itself,
and will not stay non-running for long.
3) Windows Defender, turn off Real Time Protection. WD can drop the
I/O rate on a W10/W11 device by a factor of ten.
Paul
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The wider you
make your screen, the wider this line will become.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78-73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
All in all, IMO not bad for a nearly ten year old laptop with -
relatively - small RAM and a HDD.
[1] We don't turn off our laptops. No need to. We let them sleep or, if
that takes too much (battery) power, we hibernate them, much faster 'restart'/wakeup.
On 12/23/2023 9:14 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
All in all, IMO not bad for a nearly ten year old laptop with - relatively - small RAM and a HDD.
[1] We don't turn off our laptops. No need to. We let them sleep or, if that takes too much (battery) power, we hibernate them, much faster 'restart'/wakeup.
I recently posted about a Toshiba P755 series laptop I had to do some
work on and with some help here got it running very nicely. I've not
been willing to put it to sleep overnight, and I'll give my reason and
see if anyone agrees.
The original battery was total junk after years of use and probably
being plugged in too much. This laptop is probably 12-13 years old. I
am on the second battery which will hold about an hours worth of use
before needing to be plugged in. Yes, it certainly takes more time to
use the machine if I have to shut down completely and then restart after
each use. Short term, I am willing to put it to sleep. But overnight
is another story because I am worried about the older battery suffering catastrophic damage and failure while I am sleeping. You read stories
of these older batteries exploding and causing fires among other things.
It's not one of those soft batteries you see that get all bloated, and
is in a case. But who knows what's inside the plastic case. I just
don't want it to blow up if I'm not there. You also have the
overcharging problem which will kill the battery off early.
I have thought about the possibility of just removing the battery if I
was using it more. It will run without the battery as long as it is
plugged in, and you don't make a mistake unplugging it and possibly corrupting files. Anyone know if there is a downside to just removing
the battery and putting it to sleep?
Frank Slootweg wrote on 12/23/23 11:42 AM:
That's actually what we do with the mentioned laptop (my wife's). I
have removed the battery and it's constantly powered by the laptop's
AC/DC adapter. (I removed the battery for exactly the reason you
mention: Having it constantly on AC power ruins the battery. Been there,
done that, got the T-shirt [1]. And then there's the explosion/fire risk
you mention.)
When not in use, it's sleeping, either by itself by the timeout, or
manually.
When not in use for a long(er) time - holiday etc. - I hibernate it
and unplug the adapter from the mains.
As far a I know, there's no downside to using a laptop on AC power
without a battery. Any laptop should be able to work this way, without
any ill effects.
[1] Now my new laptop is on a switched AC timer. Also not great, because
of the 'needless' discharge/charge cycles - which also limit the
battery's lifetime -, but hopefully better than constantly on AC power.
Time will tell. (This one has a non-removable battery. :-()
Just another viewpoint, not necessarily indicative of all laptop devices(battery and ac adapter)
This 6 yr old Win10 Pro 256 GB SSD, 1 TB HDD 12 GB RAM, Amer i8 515G as-shipped Oct. 2017 has for most of its entire life been running with
the Li battery intact(not removed) on AC power.
The battery, LG manufactured, is the as-shipped original. Not
removable(can be replaced with major disassembly and a ton of screws,
tap, other connectors).
The designed capacity is 3023 mAh, it's full charge capacity after 6
yrs. is 2720 mAh
- ~90% of the designed value.
Occasionally(a few times per year) the AC adapter is unplugged and
dscharges to 25-30% before recharging back to 100%. Some articles
indicate Li batteries should be charged to 85% instead of 100% - have
never done that.
This battery at 100% when disconnected to AC provides about just shy of
than 6 hours of battery life(per Win11 Battery Saver app) for my normal device usage, though never let it reach the warning capacity. Right now,
on battery power for the aprox. the last 1/2 hour it shows about ~5.25
hours at 83%.
On 12/23/2023 2:43 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:the last 1/2 hour it shows about ~5.25 hours at 83%.
Frank Slootweg wrote on 12/23/23 11:42 AM:
That's actually what we do with the mentioned laptop (my wife's). I >>> have removed the battery and it's constantly powered by the laptop's
AC/DC adapter. (I removed the battery for exactly the reason you
mention: Having it constantly on AC power ruins the battery. Been there, >>> done that, got the T-shirt [1]. And then there's the explosion/fire risk >>> you mention.)
When not in use, it's sleeping, either by itself by the timeout, or >>> manually.
When not in use for a long(er) time - holiday etc. - I hibernate it >>> and unplug the adapter from the mains.
As far a I know, there's no downside to using a laptop on AC power
without a battery. Any laptop should be able to work this way, without
any ill effects.
[1] Now my new laptop is on a switched AC timer. Also not great, because >>> of the 'needless' discharge/charge cycles - which also limit the
battery's lifetime -, but hopefully better than constantly on AC power.
Time will tell. (This one has a non-removable battery. :-()
Just another viewpoint, not necessarily indicative of all laptop devices(battery and ac adapter)
This 6 yr old Win10 Pro 256 GB SSD, 1 TB HDD 12 GB RAM, Amer i8 515G as-shipped Oct. 2017 has for most of its entire life been running with the Li battery intact(not removed) on AC power.
The battery, LG manufactured, is the as-shipped original. Not removable(can be replaced with major disassembly and a ton of screws, tap, other connectors).
The designed capacity is 3023 mAh, it's full charge capacity after 6 yrs. is 2720 mAh
- ~90% of the designed value.
Occasionally(a few times per year) the AC adapter is unplugged and dscharges to 25-30% before recharging back to 100%. Some articles indicate Li batteries should be charged to 85% instead of 100% - have never done that.
This battery at 100% when disconnected to AC provides about just shy of than 6 hours of battery life(per Win11 Battery Saver app) for my normal device usage, though never let it reach the warning capacity. Right now, on battery power for the aprox.
A quick search on this Acer i8 515G of yours says it does not hurt this models battery to leave it plugged in as it stops charging the battery when it reaches 100% and runs directly on AC power. I don't think my Toshiba does that, but I'm interestednow and will have to check.
Still don't like the idea of leaving the battery in, but if it isn't charging, I might change that view.
A quick search on this Acer i8 515G of yours says it does not hurt this models battery to leave it plugged in as it stops charging the battery
when it reaches 100% and runs directly on AC power. I don't think my
Toshiba does that, but I'm interested now and will have to check.
Still don't like the idea of leaving the battery in, but if it isn't charging, I might change that view.
Paul wrote:
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The wider
you make your screen, the wider this line will become.
Not true as received here, the line break occurs after "you" when
there is more than enough width remaining on my screen for the
following line to be shown to the right.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab
9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78
-73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
With or without the angle-brackets, that URL doesn't wrap here.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/23/2023 2:02 AM, Boris wrote:
So the drive was a four year old POS when Dell put it in their 5559.
As my kids would say, LOL.
That link gives me an error, but I'm interested in what it has to
say.
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The wider
you make your screen, the wider this line will become.
https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab9
d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78-
73c2d158f771-1427808586.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab
9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78
-73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
I love dogs.
We'll see in January, whether there will be a Good Dog for you.
And by the way, don't expect miracles. The OS presents a lot
of overhead, that cannot be justified. Anything Dell has added,
isn't helping matters. An SSD is not a miracle cure. It's a start
at improving things. Some of the Dell software should be removed
or disabled. msconfig would have made this easy, the new solution
isn't particularly pleasant or clever.
Things I meddle with, when I'm muttering "hurry up, hurry up!".
These are typical during a Cumulative on Patch Tuesday.
1( Stop the sysmain service.
2) Repeatedly kill the SearchIndexer.exe (it is set to restart
itself,
and will not stay non-running for long.
3) Windows Defender, turn off Real Time Protection. WD can drop the
I/O rate on a W10/W11 device by a factor of ten.
Paul
His Dell 5559 is c.2015. His Seagate drive is c.2014. The story
might parallel Old Yeller: time to put down Old Yeller, and move on
with Young Yeller. Could be Old Yeller is acceptable at doing what
Boris wants from it,
problem, or noticed after using a much faster computer. That is, is
it a new problem, or an old lingering problem? "For a while" doesn't
say how long. As you use new and faster computers, the older slower
ones seem even more slow. It's old, but not that bad for many end-user
tasks.
A $100 2.5" 2TB SSD to replace his 2TB HDD would give a performance
boost, like during startup, shutdown, and when loading programs, but
it would only improve disk performance. Whatever is causing the
slowdown, especially if a recent problem, could easily migrate to his
setup after switching to an SSD. His startup time would be reduced,
but the slowdown may be other than disk based.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:6th37y2a6sau$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/23/2023 2:02 AM, Boris wrote:
So the drive was a four year old POS when Dell put it in their 5559.
As my kids would say, LOL.
That link gives me an error, but I'm interested in what it has to
say.
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The wider
you make your screen, the wider this line will become.
https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab9
d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78-
73c2d158f771-1427808586.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab
9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78
-73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
I love dogs.
We'll see in January, whether there will be a Good Dog for you.
And by the way, don't expect miracles. The OS presents a lot
of overhead, that cannot be justified. Anything Dell has added,
isn't helping matters. An SSD is not a miracle cure. It's a start
at improving things. Some of the Dell software should be removed
or disabled. msconfig would have made this easy, the new solution
isn't particularly pleasant or clever.
Things I meddle with, when I'm muttering "hurry up, hurry up!".
These are typical during a Cumulative on Patch Tuesday.
1( Stop the sysmain service.
2) Repeatedly kill the SearchIndexer.exe (it is set to restart
itself,
and will not stay non-running for long.
3) Windows Defender, turn off Real Time Protection. WD can drop the
I/O rate on a W10/W11 device by a factor of ten.
Paul
His Dell 5559 is c.2015. His Seagate drive is c.2014. The story
might parallel Old Yeller: time to put down Old Yeller, and move on
with Young Yeller. Could be Old Yeller is acceptable at doing what
Boris wants from it,
That is correct. I'm just trying to teach an old dog new tricks.
but I need to ask if the slowdown is a new
problem, or noticed after using a much faster computer. That is, is
it a new problem, or an old lingering problem? "For a while" doesn't
say how long. As you use new and faster computers, the older slower
ones seem even more slow. It's old, but not that bad for many end-user
tasks.
I understand the question. Let me try to explain.
The machine was purchased in May, 2016, with Windows 10 Home. It ran
nicely for many years. I keep it updated. It's had typical Windows quirks that could never be explained or solved, just like every machine I've had since Windows 8. For instance, Spotlight worked for a few months, and then stopped working. Ok. I still have the same background that I've had since 2017. The machine will not update itself during inactive hours. I have to manually restart to apply updates. Ok. Some updates have rearranged my desktop icons, and some have deleted them. Sort of ok. I live with these things.
The first time I noticed a slow down was about a year ago. Loading the OS and desktop icons/taskbar seemed a little slower, but Firefox took way too long to load after starting the OS. Many times Firefox would launch but
the ribbon on top said "Firefox not responding". Task Manager showed disk 100% usage. It would take five minutes for the hard disk to settle down,
and Firefox would load to my homepage. I searched and tried many things to solve disk 100% usage. Nothing worked.
I use this laptop only when away from home. Over the last year, it's
gotten much slower to load, launch, and settle down. Once settled down, it still takes longer than it used to to launch a program. Once loaded, the program generally runs fine.
A $100 2.5" 2TB SSD to replace his 2TB HDD would give a performance
boost, like during startup, shutdown, and when loading programs, but
it would only improve disk performance. Whatever is causing the
slowdown, especially if a recent problem, could easily migrate to his
setup after switching to an SSD. His startup time would be reduced,
but the slowdown may be other than disk based.
Understood.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:6th37y2a6sau$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/23/2023 2:02 AM, Boris wrote:
So the drive was a four year old POS when Dell put it in their 5559.
As my kids would say, LOL.
That link gives me an error, but I'm interested in what it has to
say.
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The wider
you make your screen, the wider this line will become.
https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab9
d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78-
73c2d158f771-1427808586.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-ab
9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f78
-73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
I love dogs.
We'll see in January, whether there will be a Good Dog for you.
And by the way, don't expect miracles. The OS presents a lot
of overhead, that cannot be justified. Anything Dell has added,
isn't helping matters. An SSD is not a miracle cure. It's a start
at improving things. Some of the Dell software should be removed
or disabled. msconfig would have made this easy, the new solution
isn't particularly pleasant or clever.
Things I meddle with, when I'm muttering "hurry up, hurry up!".
These are typical during a Cumulative on Patch Tuesday.
1( Stop the sysmain service.
2) Repeatedly kill the SearchIndexer.exe (it is set to restart
itself,
and will not stay non-running for long.
3) Windows Defender, turn off Real Time Protection. WD can drop the
I/O rate on a W10/W11 device by a factor of ten.
Paul
His Dell 5559 is c.2015. His Seagate drive is c.2014. The story
might parallel Old Yeller: time to put down Old Yeller, and move on
with Young Yeller. Could be Old Yeller is acceptable at doing what
Boris wants from it,
That is correct. I'm just trying to teach an old dog new tricks.
but I need to ask if the slowdown is a new
problem, or noticed after using a much faster computer. That is, is
it a new problem, or an old lingering problem? "For a while" doesn't
say how long. As you use new and faster computers, the older slower
ones seem even more slow. It's old, but not that bad for many end-user
tasks.
I understand the question. Let me try to explain.
The machine was purchased in May, 2016, with Windows 10 Home. It ran
nicely for many years. I keep it updated. It's had typical Windows quirks that could never be explained or solved, just like every machine I've had since Windows 8. For instance, Spotlight worked for a few months, and then stopped working. Ok. I still have the same background that I've had since 2017. The machine will not update itself during inactive hours. I have to manually restart to apply updates. Ok. Some updates have rearranged my desktop icons, and some have deleted them. Sort of ok. I live with these things.
The first time I noticed a slow down was about a year ago. Loading the OS and desktop icons/taskbar seemed a little slower, but Firefox took way too long to load after starting the OS. Many times Firefox would launch but
the ribbon on top said "Firefox not responding". Task Manager showed disk 100% usage. It would take five minutes for the hard disk to settle down,
and Firefox would load to my homepage. I searched and tried many things to solve disk 100% usage. Nothing worked.
I use this laptop only when away from home. Over the last year, it's
gotten much slower to load, launch, and settle down. Once settled down, it still takes longer than it used to to launch a program. Once loaded, the program generally runs fine.
A $100 2.5" 2TB SSD to replace his 2TB HDD would give a performance
boost, like during startup, shutdown, and when loading programs, but
it would only improve disk performance. Whatever is causing the
slowdown, especially if a recent problem, could easily migrate to his
setup after switching to an SSD. His startup time would be reduced,
but the slowdown may be other than disk based.
Understood.
I've run ProcessMonitor, ResourceMonitor, Perfmon, and ProcessExplorer,
but I don't know how to interpret them.
Boris wrote:
I've run ProcessMonitor, ResourceMonitor, Perfmon, and ProcessExplorer,
but I don't know how to interpret them.
Since I suggested Resource Monitor, here's how I would use it to track-down what is causing the most disk activity ...
Launch "Resource Monitor" from the "Performance" tab of "Task Manager" (on Win10 I remember it had a button at the bottom, on Win11 it's now via the [...] menu at the top.
Switch to the "Disk" tab
If necessary, expand the "Disk Activity" section (perhaps collapse the "Storage" and "Processes with Disk Activity" sections too)
If necessary, click on Monitor/Auto-fit Columns (I often find I've left the "File" column eating all the width the last time I ran it)
Reverse sort on the Total bytes/second column
Take note of the top handful of "Image" and "File" entries changing over a short period of time.
Then, if you want to focus-in on a particular process ...
Expand the "Processes with Disk Activity" section, leaving the "Disk Activity" section expanded too
Within the "Processes with Disk Activity" section, tick the check-box to the left of the requiredn process, the "Disk Activity" section will then be filtered by that process.
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
[...]
[About Winston's laptop:]
A quick search on this Acer i8 515G of yours says it does not hurt this
models battery to leave it plugged in as it stops charging the battery
when it reaches 100% and runs directly on AC power. I don't think my
Toshiba does that, but I'm interested now and will have to check.
Any decent adapter/laptop combination should 'stop' (go to trickle charging) at 100%. But 'sitting' constantly at 100% limits the lifetime
of the battery. See also Paul's detailed response on this issue.
Still don't like the idea of leaving the battery in, but if it isn't
charging, I might change that view.
'Sitting' at 100% should not be risky for a good battery, but as your battery is 'bad', I would just take it out and use the laptop on AC
power as I described.
If you want to keep the battery, you probably should top it up to some
80% (see Paul's response as to why) every few months or so (if it keeps
its charge that 'long'). That's what I do with our old batteries.
I've been trying to solve 100% disk usage on this machine for a while,
now:
Dell Inspiron 5559
Windows 10 HP x64, OEM installed, fully updated, 22H2, 5/18/2016
It takes at least 15 minutes to settle down and become useful after a
clean boot, and takes about 5 minutes to shutdown. Once up and running,
it takes around a minute or so for a program to launch after clicked
upon. If I want to open a picture, for instance, the program (i.e.
Photos, Photo Gallery) takes about a minute to open. Same with FireFox. After they are first launched, the respond normally for the rest of my session.
I have a minimal amount of programs that launch at startup.
Ethernet send/receive are almost non-existent at startup. Memory and CPU seem low.
I tried many suggested fixes months ago, with no luck. Before I do
somthing more drastic that requires re-installation of the OS and updates
or all programs, I thougt I'd try again to see what else I could find
that may fix this problem.
I went here:
https://www.kapilarya.com/fix-windows-10-100-percent-disk-usage-problem
But it turns out my system doesn't include IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers, it
only contains Standard SATA AHCI Controller. Nonetheless, burrowing down shows nothing similar to what's shown. Neither does the registry.
Next, going to:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/100-disk-usage-on- windows-10/17e3aa7e-4a2a-4927-97bd-bdb2f7dbe04b
sfc /scannow found "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and successfully repaired them. For online repairs, details are included in
the CBS log file located at windir\logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C: \Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For offline repairs, details are included in
the log fimle provided by the /OFFLOGFILE flag."
Per the instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
Response was, "No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
Per instructions, I next ran:
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealt
Response was, ""No component store corruption was found.
The operation completed successfully."
I was about to run the next suggested command, "dism /online /cleanup-
image /restorehealth"
But, I first researched the difference between checkhealth and
scanhealth, and it seemed to me that checkhealth was not needed as checkhealth finds 'repairable' files, while scanhealth checks and fixes corrupt files. Is checkhealth really needed? Or is it needed because it identifies corrupt files, and places them somewhere where they can be
acted upon?
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with the rest of the suggested plan to
'fix' this 100% disk usage.
Also, if you have any other suggestions as how to diagnose/fix 100% disk usage, that would be appreciated. I just don't want to have to re-
install the OS. Main reason...I may have to get a MSFT account to do so.
TIA
I understand the question. Let me try to explain.
The machine was purchased in May, 2016, with Windows 10 Home. It ran
nicely for many years. I keep it updated. It's had typical Windows quirks that could never be explained or solved, just like every machine I've had since Windows 8.
For instance, Spotlight worked for a few months, and then stopped
working. Ok. I still have the same background that I've had since
2017.
The machine will not update itself during inactive hours. I have to
manually restart to apply updates. Ok.
Some updates have rearranged my desktop icons, and some have deleted
them. Sort of ok. I live with these things.
Boris wrote:
I've run ProcessMonitor, ResourceMonitor, Perfmon, and
ProcessExplorer, but I don't know how to interpret them.
Since I suggested Resource Monitor, here's how I would use it to
track-down what is causing the most disk activity ...
Launch "Resource Monitor" from the "Performance" tab of "Task Manager"
(on Win10 I remember it had a button at the bottom, on Win11 it's now
via the [...] menu at the top.
Switch to the "Disk" tab
If necessary, expand the "Disk Activity" section (perhaps collapse the "Storage" and "Processes with Disk Activity" sections too)
If necessary, click on Monitor/Auto-fit Columns (I often find I've
left the "File" column eating all the width the last time I ran it)
Reverse sort on the Total bytes/second column
Take note of the top handful of "Image" and "File" entries changing
over a short period of time.
Then, if you want to focus-in on a particular process ...
Expand the "Processes with Disk Activity" section, leaving the "Disk Activity" section expanded too
Within the "Processes with Disk Activity" section, tick the check-box
to the left of the requiredn process, the "Disk Activity" section will
then be filtered by that process.
Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:6th37y2a6sau$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 12/23/2023 2:02 AM, Boris wrote:
So the drive was a four year old POS when Dell put it in their
5559.
As my kids would say, LOL.
That link gives me an error, but I'm interested in what it has to
say.
My line wrap is set at a high number. It's not 72 columns. The
wider you make your screen, the wider this line will become.
https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-a
b9
d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f7
8- 73c2d158f771-1427808586.
I'll put angle-brackets around it, but I doubt this will help. The
period on the end of that link IS PART OF THE LINK. Talk about
corny affectations at Dell.
<https://www.dell.com/community/assets/community/687062f5-603c-4f5f-
ab
9d-31aa7cacb376/DellTechHubmakesDellcomputerta-521ae740-5420-41ea-8f
78 -73c2d158f771-1427808586.>
The considered opinion here, is the drive is a dog, and an
SSD will provide relief from the agony.
I love dogs.
We'll see in January, whether there will be a Good Dog for you.
And by the way, don't expect miracles. The OS presents a lot
of overhead, that cannot be justified. Anything Dell has added,
isn't helping matters. An SSD is not a miracle cure. It's a start
at improving things. Some of the Dell software should be removed
or disabled. msconfig would have made this easy, the new solution
isn't particularly pleasant or clever.
Things I meddle with, when I'm muttering "hurry up, hurry up!".
These are typical during a Cumulative on Patch Tuesday.
1( Stop the sysmain service.
2) Repeatedly kill the SearchIndexer.exe (it is set to restart
itself,
and will not stay non-running for long.
3) Windows Defender, turn off Real Time Protection. WD can drop the
I/O rate on a W10/W11 device by a factor of ten.
Paul
His Dell 5559 is c.2015. His Seagate drive is c.2014. The story
might parallel Old Yeller: time to put down Old Yeller, and move on
with Young Yeller. Could be Old Yeller is acceptable at doing what
Boris wants from it,
That is correct. I'm just trying to teach an old dog new tricks.
but I need to ask if the slowdown is a new
problem, or noticed after using a much faster computer. That is, is
it a new problem, or an old lingering problem? "For a while"
doesn't say how long. As you use new and faster computers, the
older slower ones seem even more slow. It's old, but not that bad
for many end-user tasks.
I understand the question. Let me try to explain.
The machine was purchased in May, 2016, with Windows 10 Home. It ran
nicely for many years. I keep it updated. It's had typical Windows
quirks that could never be explained or solved, just like every
machine I've had since Windows 8. For instance, Spotlight worked for
a few months, and then stopped working. Ok. I still have the same
background that I've had since 2017. The machine will not update
itself during inactive hours. I have to manually restart to apply
updates. Ok. Some updates have rearranged my desktop icons, and
some have deleted them. Sort of ok. I live with these things.
The first time I noticed a slow down was about a year ago. Loading
the OS and desktop icons/taskbar seemed a little slower, but Firefox
took way too long to load after starting the OS. Many times Firefox
would launch but the ribbon on top said "Firefox not responding".
Task Manager showed disk 100% usage. It would take five minutes for
the hard disk to settle down, and Firefox would load to my homepage.
I searched and tried many things to solve disk 100% usage. Nothing
worked.
I use this laptop only when away from home. Over the last year, it's
gotten much slower to load, launch, and settle down. Once settled
down, it still takes longer than it used to to launch a program.
Once loaded, the program generally runs fine.
A $100 2.5" 2TB SSD to replace his 2TB HDD would give a performance
boost, like during startup, shutdown, and when loading programs, but
it would only improve disk performance. Whatever is causing the
slowdown, especially if a recent problem, could easily migrate to
his setup after switching to an SSD. His startup time would be
reduced, but the slowdown may be other than disk based.
Understood.
I've noticed Firefox can take a long time to load. I don't leave it
open, but exit when done with it, and later reload it. I will
manually enter a URL into a tab, Ctrl+T to open a new tab, enter a URL
there, and repeat for a total of 6 tabs. All of them use HTTPS. I
will see the TLS handshaking in the status bar. All the tabs hang
until one of them (likely the 1st one) completes its TLS handshaking whereupon all the other tabs open almost immediately. Doesn't matter
what are the HTTPS sites; i.e., they could be different. Rather than
use the bookmarks manager, often I just start entering text for a
site, and use auto- completion (match on bookmarks). I'll be sitting
there for way over 2 minutes before any of the tabs load until one
them completes the TLS handshaking. Seems Firefox stalls on TLS
handshakes when the 1st one is pending. If I use but leave FF loaded,
close all tabs when done with them except open one for about:blank,
HTTPS sites thereafter open immediately thereafter.
Once the stall ends, I can exit and reload FF within a few minutes
after the prior load, and the stall does not recur. It's after FF has
not been used for awhile, like 20 minutes, or more, when it then gets
loaded when the stall happens.
I've not seen high disk activity when FF is stalled on opening
multiple HTTPS sites. To me, looks like FF is stalling on TLS
handshaking. I have some add-ons.
to not load a page until it has updated its blacklists. Disable that,
but no help on the TLS stall. Disabled all add-ons but no help,
either. I've not yet tried creating a new profile mostly because I'd
lose all the security, privacy, and behavior tweaks in about:config.
However, there are times when I load FF, and open multiple tabs, where
there is no stall. So, sometimes FF stalls, sometimes not. From
trying to diagnose the problem, I've concluded the fault is in FF, not
the rest of my setup. The stalling started sometime after updating
from 115.
That I see the stall when the status bar shows TLS handshaking doesn't
mean TLS is the culprit. Could be whatever FF tries to perform after
the TLS handshake, but the status bar hasn't been updated yet. For
some products, status is shown after an action instead of when
initiating it.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&short_desc=tl s&product=Firefox&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&short_desc_type= allwordssubstr&classification=Client%20Software
I did the above search on TLS in Firefox to see if there were known
issues. I haven't read them in depth to see if any apply to my setup.
I do have DoH (DNS over HTTPS) enabled, and am using Cloudflare, so I
might see what happens if I set to Off (which makes FF use the DNS
settings in the OS), but it will take a few days to ascertain if DoH
in FF is causing the first-load stalls.
So, other than Firefox, are you seeing stalls in loading or use of
other apps? Do those stalls always coincide with high disk activity
when you started those apps?
While you mentioned Windows Defender, and testing with it disabled,
unclear is if you have another anti-malware program installed. Is
Defender the *only* anti-malware program on your computer?
Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I understand the question. Let me try to explain.
The machine was purchased in May, 2016, with Windows 10 Home. It ran
nicely for many years. I keep it updated. It's had typical Windows
quirks that could never be explained or solved, just like every
machine I've had since Windows 8.
[Reformatted for clarity:]
For instance, Spotlight worked for a few months, and then stopped
working. Ok. I still have the same background that I've had since
2017.
Is that for Spotlight on the Desktop or Spotlight on the Lock screen
(and the Sign-in screen)?
Anyway, those are common problems with loads of suggested fixes.
I had a problem on Windows 11 with Spotlight on the Lock and Sign-in
screen not working. None of the suggested fixes work, but somehow it
started to work again, maybe because of something I did.
The machine will not update itself during inactive hours. I have to
manually restart to apply updates. Ok.
On my wife's Windows 10 laptop, it often takes a few nights for the automatic restart to occur. To be sure: Have you checked that Windows
Update says 'Status: Pending restart' (or some such wording, my wife's
laptop has a Dutch UI) for all updates before you expect it to restart automatically?
My Windows 11 laptop never restarts automatically, because it has
'Adaptive hibernate' which causes it to hibernate before the automatic restart can occur.
Have a check if your Windows 10 laptop has 'Adaptive hibernate'
or/and
is set to hibernate during the night.
With the right non-hibernate settings and the laptop on AC power,
the
system should restart automatically during the night. (My Windows 11
laptop has no 'Hibernate after' setting in Power Options, so I can not use/test this.
Some updates have rearranged my desktop icons, and some have deleted
them. Sort of ok. I live with these things.
No suggestions for this.
[Details about slow down deleted.]
Stalls, other than with Firefox, are primarily with Photos. It will
stall with high disk activity, and even with low disk activity when
launched for the first time during a session. After the first launch,
it's fine. I do have most programs set to not start up when I start this machine.
Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Stalls, other than with Firefox, are primarily with Photos. It will
stall with high disk activity, and even with low disk activity when
launched for the first time during a session. After the first
launch, it's fine. I do have most programs set to not start up when
I start this machine.
On my wife's (earlier mentioned) Windows 10 laptop, Photos is also
very slow to start for the first time. (At the moment, it even hangs
with a white screen, but using no resources (other than memory). Go
figure!)
Windows Photo Viewer is much, much faster, so you may want to try
that
and see whether the problem is general - i.e. also for Windows Photo
Viewer - or 'just' for Photos. Photos is a
Metro/Modern/UWP/Fisher-Price 'app', 'nuff said.
[...]
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in news:ummvjq.hc4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net:
Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Stalls, other than with Firefox, are primarily with Photos. It will
stall with high disk activity, and even with low disk activity when
launched for the first time during a session. After the first
launch, it's fine. I do have most programs set to not start up when
I start this machine.
On my wife's (earlier mentioned) Windows 10 laptop, Photos is also
very slow to start for the first time. (At the moment, it even hangs
with a white screen, but using no resources (other than memory). Go
figure!)
Windows Photo Viewer is much, much faster, so you may want to try
that
and see whether the problem is general - i.e. also for Windows Photo
Viewer - or 'just' for Photos. Photos is a
Metro/Modern/UWP/Fisher-Price 'app', 'nuff said.
[...]
This was a factory install of Windows 7, so Windows Photo Viewer was not included. I used the registry hack to 'activate' it, and it does load immediately.
All other media viewers/players also load quickly, even under 100% disk usage, even first launch per session. Photos is the only one that lags.
Boris wrote on 12/30/23 11:50 AM:
[...]
This was a factory install of Windows 7, so Windows Photo Viewer was
not included. I used the registry hack to 'activate' it, and it does
load immediately.
Fyi...Windows Photo Viewer was included in Windows 7.
Win7 devices upraded to Win10/11 retain Win7's included Photo Viewer. Win10/11 devices clean installed or as-shipped by OEM do not include
Photo Viewer - for these devices, the registry change is necessary.
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