A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
Ed
It remains to be seen, how Google thinks it can solve this problem
it has created, with tiny bandaids. Maybe two dialog boxes with
two boxes to tick. Or, a cavalcade of boxes, until the OS
runs out of windows (500 or so) :-) Now, this idea, I like :-)
Would you click 500 times, to post your spam to GG ?
I know I would.
Paul wrote:
[snip]
It remains to be seen, how Google thinks it can solve this problem
it has created, with tiny bandaids. Maybe two dialog boxes with
two boxes to tick. Or, a cavalcade of boxes, until the OS
runs out of windows (500 or so) :-) Now, this idea, I like :-)
Would you click 500 times, to post your spam to GG ?
I know I would.
Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses such
as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges. I note that Google
does not check against blacklists.
There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6.
On 11/7/2023 5:50 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
"I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
Ed
Yes
There is a huge spamming campaign being conducted through Google Groups.
The spammers were sending *ten thousand* spam posts a day, to comp.lang.c , before GG closed the group to posting.
The tick box is intended to stop "naive automation", where the attack
is done with nothing more than HTML stuff.
The humans posting spam this morning, are having no problem with the challenge.
Next up, Google switches to a torrent of Fire Hydrants and Bicycle Captchas. The foreigners are completely baffled by the bicycles, because
they only drive posh automobiles.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
"I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often spam. Eternal September is a good free option http://www.eternal-september.org/
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:01:28 -0000 (UTC), in
<uiff8o$1gm6m$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Actually it's the fire hydrants. How are we supposed to know what a US fire >> hydrant looks like?
Dare I suggest you ask Google?
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Actually it's the fire hydrants. How are we supposed to know what a US fire >hydrant looks like?
A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
"I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:06:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
"I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often >> spam. Eternal September is a good free option
http://www.eternal-september.org/
And news.individual.net is so reasonably priced that it might as well
be free: 10 euro a year. You can pay through Paypal.
Good spam protection, but no binary newsgroups.
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a >problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
Though I don't recall if the issue was due to service availability or
the desired method of payment(credit card, Paypal, bank transfer, etc.)
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had
a problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect
would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
are not an option (unless linked via paypal).
On 2023-11-09 10:05, Andy Burns wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had
a problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
are not an option (unless linked via paypal).
I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
Stan Brown wrote on 11/8/23 10:29 AM:
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:06:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a >problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
"I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often >>> spam. Eternal September is a good free option
http://www.eternal-september.org/
And news.individual.net is so reasonably priced that it might as well
be free: 10 euro a year. You can pay through Paypal.
Good spam protection, but no binary newsgroups.
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited to >customers with a home tax base in Germany.
Though I don't recall if the issue was due to service availability or the >desired method of payment(credit card, Paypal, bank transfer, etc.)
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect
would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
are not an option (unless linked via paypal).
I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.
As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.
As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)
The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.
Surrender is easy. Giving up is easy. Losing privacy is easy.
But how do you set up subscription payments _without_ surrendering privacy?
The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.
ROTFL!
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.
As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)
The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.
Surrender is easy. Giving up is easy. Losing privacy is easy.
But how do you set up subscription payments _without_ surrendering privacy?
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| > There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6.
|
| Why? :-?
|
| If you are going to say because everybody will have fixed IPs, and thus
| identified, I'll say that there are ISPs which announced they would give
| users dynamic IPv6 addresses. Fixed would cost extra.
|
Fixed would also mean that anyone could operate their
own web server. ISPs have historically tried to prevent
that, dividing the Internet into owners and consumers.
Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses such as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges. I note that Google does not check against blacklists.
There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6
As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)
But my question is on this paragraph:
Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses
such as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges. I note that
Google does not check against blacklists.
There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6
Why?
@Frank
- After reading the replies, I visited their site
Apparently, no longer applicable based on your and other payment methods
in use
- the line item verbiage about tax base in Germany and method of
payment can be viewed in their registration info - Registration/Step1
https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
How can I pay?
You can choose from the following payment options: The online payment provider PayPal, as well as bank transfer to a German bank account of
Freie Universität Berlin with IBAN (International Bank Account Number)
and BIC (Bank Identifier Code, SWIFT address)."
Carlos E. R. wrote:
[snip]
But my question is on this paragraph:
Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses
such as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges. I note that
Google does not check against blacklists.
There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6
Why?
Not enough IPV4 addresses for every user to have a unique one.
Therefore CGNAT is used by many ISPs - especially those providing
wireless rather than copper or fibre services. Thus many users get to
share a single public IP address.
Some ISPs can't (or won't) police their users, so quite frequently a
user will send malware or s*p*a*m and the shared IP address gets
blacklisted.
Reputable email service providers therefore check where emails come from
and reject connections from blacklisted IPs. That way they don't get accused of propagating malware or s*p*a*m.
By contrast, if I send malware or s*p*a*m from my unique public IP -
even if that IP changes from time to time - my ISP will see that and
block my connection.
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
@Frank
- After reading the replies, I visited their site
Apparently, no longer applicable based on your and other payment methods
in use
- the line item verbiage about tax base in Germany and method of
payment can be viewed in their registration info - Registration/Step1
https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
Ah, so it is still there and I apparently overlooked it. Thanks.
However, a machine on CGNAT can hardly send email by itself. I suspect
it would fail some test, like having a matching reverse DNS. :-?
They would normally use a relay outside and identify properly to them.
Say to Gmail.
The blacklist could be done on your IP alone, or, on the entire range,
and thus, have a similar situation to having CGNAT :-(
"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
[snip]
However, a machine on CGNAT can hardly send email by itself. I suspect
it would fail some test, like having a matching reverse DNS. :-?
Such emails usually get rejected by the mail client at the recipient
user, or the virus checking at the recipient user's mail server.
They would normally use a relay outside and identify properly to them.
Say to Gmail.
Gmail are known not to check the originating IP address. That's why it
is a good policy to block all emails from gmail addresses except for
those from known and trusted senders.
[snip]
The blacklist could be done on your IP alone, or, on the entire range,
and thus, have a similar situation to having CGNAT :-(
In my experience blacklists are applied to single IP addresses, not
entire ranges - except possibly where the ranges is known to be a
Russian spambot for example.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:01:28 -0000 (UTC), in
<uiff8o$1gm6m$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Actually it's the fire hydrants. How are we supposed to know what a US fire >> hydrant looks like?
Dare I suggest you ask Google?
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
@Frank
- After reading the replies, I visited their site
Apparently, no longer applicable based on your and other payment methods
in use
- the line item verbiage about tax base in Germany and method of
payment can be viewed in their registration info - Registration/Step1
https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
Ah, so it is still there and I apparently overlooked it. Thanks.
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