It's only about the software they used to geolocate to an address...
using only the IP address and _not_ by contacting the ISP to get
that address.
How do they 100% geolocate an IP address alone to your unique address?
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.
*How did Malibu Media 100% determine GPS LOCATION of an IP address*
*WITHOUT contacting the ISP*?
<https://www.csoonline.com/article/546518/ip-address-does-not-identify-a-person-judge-tells-copyright-troll-in-bittorrent-ca.html>
I'm curious. What do you know about ISPs uploading logs?
but I've never heard of any law requiring ISPs
to share their traffic data.
<https://www.csoonline.com/article/546518/ip-address-does-not-identify-a-person-judge-tells-copyright-troll-in-bittorrent-ca.html>
The only mention of GPS in that article and the linked PDF is as a
source of accurate time.
"R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> wrote
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| This year :
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| https://www.privacyend.com/mandatory-data-retention/
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| https://www.cyberghostvpn.com/en_US/privacyhub/global-data-retention-laws/ |
Thanks. I didn't know about that. The pattern seems to be
that most countries are very intrusive, but many of the laws
have been challenged. While in the US there's no law but all
the big spyware companies are happy to sell/share the data.
I've never heard of ISPs giving out logs, but it's possible.
I have heard of law enforcement using phone records, but
they don't usually talk about details. For example, a murder
suspect in Idaho was found to have had his cellphome near
the murder location several times before the murder. Interestingly,
his cellphone was turned off for a couple of hours when the
murder happened. People still don't get that they're being
tracked on cellphones. This suspect apparently thought to
turn off his phone during the murder but never thought about
how his movements could be tracked leading up to the
murder.
If someone is identified down to street address from their
home IP I'd guess that's browser location data, not IP. On the
other hand, who knows what Wally's ever talking about.
I've never heard of ISPs giving out logs, but it's possible.
I have heard of law enforcement using phone records, but
they don't usually talk about details.
People still don't get that they're being tracked on cellphones
This suspect apparently thought to turn off his phone during the
murder but never thought about how his movements could be tracked
leading up to the murder.
If someone is identified down to street address from their
home IP I'd guess that's browser location data, not IP.
On the other hand, who knows what Wally's ever talking about.
The PDF explicitly says they did _not_ contact the ISP so those logs you speak of are completely immaterial as the PDF is clear they never used
any.
The question here, for people who know more than I, is how Maxmind does
it.
One perennial problem I have is _finding_ someone who knows more
than I do, which isn't because they don't exist - they do - but
I have to find them.
The answer to your question ? By accessing the database which stores such IP-to-user "translations", which an ISP is legally required to upload its
own log in that regard to.
<https://www.csoonline.com/article/546518/ip-address-does-not-identify-a-person-judge-tells-copyright-troll-in-bittorrent-ca.html>
The only mention of GPS in that article and the linked PDF is as a
source of accurate time.
Why not just ask the ISP for the client data (with an appropriate
subpoena of course)?
This judge would still toss it out, I suppose, because it still didn't
id the actual person.
People still don't get that they're being
tracked on cellphones. This suspect apparently thought to
turn off his phone during the murder but never thought about
how his movements could be tracked leading up to the
murder.
If someone is identified down to street address from their
home IP I'd guess that's browser location data, not IP.
*How did Malibu Media 100% determine GPS LOCATION of an IP address*
*WITHOUT contacting the ISP*?
<https://www.csoonline.com/article/546518/ip-address-does-not-identify-a-person-judge-tells-copyright-troll-in-bittorrent-ca.html>
The only mention of GPS in that article and the linked PDF is as a
source of accurate time.
Carlos,
Hum. The browser knows the location from the IP.
No, it doesn't.
Try Google Maps in a computer with a new web profile or computer user, see >> how they get your location correct. At least the area.
:-) Yes, "at least"
A new profile doesn't change your IP, nor your 'puters "fingerprint" - the latter of which can often be "probed" by a bit of JS.
Also, from your IP they know which ISP you're using, and from that (and previous experiences) they can pin-point your general(!) area.
And thats assuming you're *not* using a Google browser, 'cause in that case it can just grab an ID that was set up when it was installed/first used.
And yes, there have already been complaints about that. Especially here in Europe, as such a tracking ID violates the GDPR.
Hum. The browser knows the location from the IP. Try Google Maps
in a computer with a new web profile or computer user, see how
they get your location correct. At least the area.
Hum. The browser knows the location from the IP.
Try Google Maps in a computer with a new web profile or computer user, see how they get your location correct. At least the area.
Locating you by your IP is yet another. As I mentioned, I use a free
database that lets me locate IP within a few miles. You can also look up
a single IP online. That's based on public records. If I visit Google
(with no script allowed, as usual) they list my location as being 2-3
miles away from where I am, in a different subsection of town. They're
using those public IP records. That's not a source of addresses.
On 10/25/2023 7:11 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hum. The browser knows the location from the IP. Try Google Maps
in a computer with a new web profile or computer user, see how
they get your location correct. At least the area.
It's more complicated than that.
The browser can query the "Location Service" on a Windows machine.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-location-service-and-privacy-3a8eee0a-5b0b-dc07-eede-2a5ca1c49088
"Microsoft operates a location service that helps determine the
precise geographic location of your Windows device. The precise
location of your device allows apps to give you directions, show
shops and restaurants that are near you, and more.
Many apps and services request location information from your device,
and the Windows location service gives you control over which apps
are allowed to access your precise location."
There is a big difference between the "precise" on a Windows Phone
versus the "precise" on a de-equipped desktop. Using my Ethernet IP, they would precisely locate me to the "head office of my ISP".
My pizza won't be getting here in 30 minutes, so it will be free.
*******
There was an academic paper, claiming location via Ethernet packets,
to around two city blocks. Which is not "precise" and is not enough
for legal cases. And that method, required a certain density of probing devices, to make the determination. This is a good enough method for
setting up police road blocks and doing a grid search.
With wireless in the picture, the situation could be quite different.
Both Microsoft and Google have "snarfed" SSIDs. Google was doing
this, with the Google map car that drives around. Microsoft was doing
it with the OS, but they have likely stopped doing that, some time ago. Microsoft would collect all the SSIDs they could find, on a Wifi, and
then by comparing all the customers, build a map using that info.
I would guess, without Wifi and without a 4G Dongle, you're pretty safe.
However, if you Google on "toronto pizza" then you're in Toronto,
and if you type in "toronto city hall main phone number", again,
you're in Toronto. If you type in "Joes Pizza", then that might
isolate you to a section of Toronto. Enough of these kinds of requests, geolocates you (as people are too lazy to go to the other side of Toronto).
I think on one occasion, they got three of my post-code letters correct.
But since the info displayed at the bottom of the page, is not their
actual determination (it's to knock you off the scent), their
determination could be a lot closer.
Paul
Carlos,
Hum. The browser knows the location from the IP.
No, it doesn't.
Try Google Maps in a computer with a new web profile or computer user, see >> how they get your location correct. At least the area.
:-) Yes, "at least"
A new profile doesn't change your IP,
nor your 'puters "fingerprint" - the
latter of which can often be "probed" by a bit of JS.
Also, from your IP they know which ISP you're using, and from that (and previous experiences) they can pin-point your general(!) area.
And thats assuming you're *not* using a Google browser, 'cause in that case it can just grab an ID that was set up when it was installed/first used.
And yes, there have already been complaints about that. Especially here in Europe, as such a tracking ID violates the GDPR.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| Hum. The browser knows the location from the IP. Try Google Maps in a
| computer with a new web profile or computer user, see how they get your
| location correct. At least the area.
|
I think we're potentially talking about multiple things here.
Browser location reporting is one thing. Spyware data collection
is another. Locating you by your IP is yet another. As I mentioned,
I use a free database that lets me locate IP within a few miles.
You can also look up a single IP online. That's based on public
records. If I visit Google (with no script allowed, as usual) they
list my location as being 2-3 miles away from where I am, in
a different subsection of town. They're using those public IP
records. That's not a source of addresses.
There was an interesting example of the spyware datamining
several years ago:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
Target is almost the last remaining US department store. They
track customers any way they can. As a result of garden variety
tracking and purchase history, they mailed ads for baby supplies
to a teenage girl. The father found out his daughter was pregnant
from the mailing.
So all of that is happening and it's astonishingly intrusive. Target
knew the girl's name, address, shopping history, etc, probably from
a charge card. (I avoid charge cards.) Or maybe because they
suckered her into being a "loyalty member". Or possibly through a
combination of disparate data that they collect or pay for.
The other
day I read from a Mozilla article that Nissan claims the right, in their privacy policy, to track your sex life, presumably by filming you in
your car.
Crazy stuff, and lawmakers are in the dark. But it doesn't
help when Chicken Littles like Wally go around screaming, with no idea
what they're talking about. It just gives the ostriches an excuse to
keep their heads buried. The facts are plenty shocking without making
stuff up.
Please type your IP address into this lookup from Maxmind and let us
know how accurate it seems to be
A new profile doesn't change your IP,
That was the point of the google maps test :-)
And thats assuming you're *not* using a Google browser, 'cause in that
case
it can just grab an ID that was set up when it was installed/first used.
Not if using a new user. I'm certain on Linux, and probably on Windows.
When first used, it can only write things in the user directory, not globally.
Those various databases vary wildly in accuracy, they all know my IP is
in the UK, but some are 100 miles out.
When logged-out of my google account, google maps used to at least
pretend it didn't know my location at all, now even when logged-out, it
knows to within a couple of miles
When my PC is logged-in, google maps knows to within 300 metres or so,
my phone logs-in to the same google account and has GPS enabled, so I'm surprised it isn't bang-on.
Please type your IP address into this lookup from Maxmind and let us
know how accurate it seems to be
It says centre of London, with a claimed accuracy of 200km, which is
157km away from where I actually am, so it knows its limitations.
Wally J wrote:
Please type your IP address into this lookup from Maxmind and let us
know how accurate it seems to be
It says centre of London, with a claimed accuracy of 200km, which is
157km away from where I actually am, so it knows its limitations.
does your PC really have GPS enabled on it?
I've never encountered such a thing.
Wally J wrote:
Please type your IP address into this lookup from Maxmind and let us
know how accurate it seems to be
It says centre of London, with a claimed accuracy of 200km, which is
157km away from where I actually am, so it knows its limitations.
For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual location.
But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual
location.
But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.
I have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
into google.
checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...
On 2023-10-25 21:06, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual
location.
But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.
I have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
into google.
checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...
Did you login with a new user?
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
On 2023-10-25 21:06, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of myI have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual
location.
But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in. >>>
IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
into google.
checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...
Did you login with a new user?
I'm interested in Andy's and Carlos' results where they get more accurate geolocation in Google Maps when they're logged in than when they're not...
But...
I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).
As the Google maps (web or app) in Android/iOS uses different sensors.
Specifically, on Android it's darn nigh near impossible to turn off GPS geolocation from happening under the covers unless you go to great lengths.
And, once you figure out all the places you need to turn 'em off...
they go back on again under a variety of common circumstances
(e.g., using maps or clearing cache or accessing firebase, etc.)
Ask me how I know this...
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg>
I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).
Wally J wrote:
I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results
whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).
Win11
with Settings > Privacy&Security > LocationService turned OFF
Firefox with a private browsing tab
"fresh" IP addr which AFAIR I've not used previously for outbound connections same windows user as my day-to-day
In the past, signing-out of google was sufficient for maps to forget (or pretend it had?) your location, now it just seems to give a "general area"
If I click on the "compass" location button, it says has no permission to access location ... I had blocked location permission in firefox, if I temporarily enable that an reload it does get accurate location, even when not logged in to google.
So browser is somehow getting location from windows, even though windows location service is off ... at least firefox is "obeying" the setting.
On 10/26/2023 3:22 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Wally J wrote:
I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results
whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).
Win11
with Settings > Privacy&Security > LocationService turned OFF
Firefox with a private browsing tab
"fresh" IP addr which AFAIR I've not used previously for outbound connections
same windows user as my day-to-day
In the past, signing-out of google was sufficient for maps to forget (or pretend it had?) your location, now it just seems to give a "general area"
If I click on the "compass" location button, it says has no permission to access location ... I had blocked location permission in firefox, if I temporarily enable that an reload it does get accurate location, even when not logged in to google.
So browser is somehow getting location from windows, even though windows location service is off ... at least firefox is "obeying" the setting.
The Weather Widget in Windows, the one they added via News and Interests, seems to bypass Location Service and has some private feature for location. You can't block that in Privacy either. And it would be my suspicion,
that when you "disable" News and Interests, all you're disabling is
the view of it on the screen. Portions of it could still be running.
I would like to see a Microsoft Lawyer, explaining what they're doing.
Paul
An interesting thread. I used to be vaguely irritated when Google Maps located
me in the terraced house next door. I've recently changed Internet Provider and now it places me a mile away. I'd love to know why, and how this all
Philip Herlihy wrote:
An interesting thread. I used to be vaguely irritated when Google
Maps located
me in the terraced house next door. I've recently changed Internet
Provider
and now it places me a mile away. I'd love to know why, and how this all
I created a new, non-admin windows local account, logged in, used Edge
and it knows the rough address
I tried running a powershell using System.Device.Location.GeoCoordinateWatcher
it gave a "denied" error
I then enabled the location service, after which the powershell got an address a few houses away from mine, so best guess is wifi
triangulation, similar to what android phones use ...
will connect via wired ethernet and see what it gets
On 2023-10-26 14:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote:
An interesting thread. I used to be vaguely irritated when Google
Maps located
me in the terraced house next door. I've recently changed Internet
Provider
and now it places me a mile away. I'd love to know why, and how this
all
I created a new, non-admin windows local account, logged in, used Edge
and it knows the rough address
I tried running a powershell using
System.Device.Location.GeoCoordinateWatcher
it gave a "denied" error
I then enabled the location service, after which the powershell got an
address a few houses away from mine, so best guess is wifi
triangulation, similar to what android phones use ...
will connect via wired ethernet and see what it gets
Reminds me I should mention that as I am on an apartment building now,
with several dozens of wifi APs, at different heights, there is the possibility that my WiFi is not mapped.
(And of course, Linux leaks less information. Sorry, this laptop is not double boot so I can not test with Windows at this moment.)
Apologies if this has already been noted but its a long thread.
At one time the Google Streetview cars were mapping WiFi signals as well
as taking photos. They recorded the MAC address of every WiFi signal
they detected enabling Google to build a location database of network adapters. No idea if it still exists.
*How did Malibu Media 100% determine GPS LOCATION of an IP address*
*WITHOUT contacting the ISP*?
has been gone into
detail by many of the same participants in the android group
has been gone into
detail by many of the same participants in the android group
The original discussion from 2016 with WallyJ (then known as AliceJ) and
a one-liner that lets you feed two MAC addrs into google's API and spit
out a location
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/feKn0AfpGgAJ>
Just checked and that still works today, though it's a little more
involved to get an apikey ...
From that thread way back in January 2016 that Andy just referred to above.
*Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?*
a car at ground level will have problems recording a hundred WiFi
signals at the same spot, some of them very weak.
On 26/10/2023 14:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-10-26 14:38, Andy Burns wrote:Apologies if this has already been noted but its a long thread.
Philip Herlihy wrote:
An interesting thread. I used to be vaguely irritated when Google
Maps located
me in the terraced house next door. I've recently changed Internet
Provider
and now it places me a mile away. I'd love to know why, and how
this all
I created a new, non-admin windows local account, logged in, used
Edge and it knows the rough address
I tried running a powershell using
System.Device.Location.GeoCoordinateWatcher
it gave a "denied" error
I then enabled the location service, after which the powershell got
an address a few houses away from mine, so best guess is wifi
triangulation, similar to what android phones use ...
will connect via wired ethernet and see what it gets
Reminds me I should mention that as I am on an apartment building now,
with several dozens of wifi APs, at different heights, there is the
possibility that my WiFi is not mapped.
(And of course, Linux leaks less information. Sorry, this laptop is
not double boot so I can not test with Windows at this moment.)
At one time the Google Streetview cars were mapping WiFi signals as well
as taking photos. They recorded the MAC address of every WiFi signal
they detected enabling Google to build a location database of network adapters. No idea if it still exists.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
a car at ground level will have problems recording a hundred WiFi
signals at the same spot, some of them very weak.
But if the car records some of the BSSIDs that your PC or phone can also
see, it knows where you are ...
From that thread way back in January 2016 that Andy just referred to above. >> *Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?*
Google do "age-out" BSSIDs that haven't been seen in some time, the
original addresses I fed the API back then won't return a result now.
a car at ground level will have problems recording a hundred WiFi
signals at the same spot, some of them very weak.
But if the car records some of the BSSIDs that your PC or phone can also
see, it knows where you are ...
Ah, but there I have the advantage: I'm using Linux at the moment ;-p
One thing I could not, for the life of me figure out then, and now, is how you managed to change your home router's MAC (BSSID) address
Wally J wrote:
I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).
Win11
with Settings > Privacy&Security > LocationService turned OFF
Firefox with a private browsing tab
"fresh" IP addr which AFAIR I've not used previously for outbound
connections
same windows user as my day-to-day
In the past, signing-out of google was sufficient for maps to forget (or pretend it had?) your location, now it just seems to give a "general area"
If I click on the "compass" location button, it says has no permission
to access location ... I had blocked location permission in firefox, if
I temporarily enable that an reload it does get accurate location, even
when not logged in to google.
So browser is somehow getting location from windows, even though windows location service is off ... at least firefox is "obeying" the setting.
Funny thing is, when I also turned theWindows Location services on
When I use the
'compass' location button and allow the Location Permission in the
browser, the location is accurate within some 50 metre
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Funny thing is, when I also turned theWindows Location services on
I should have kept reading, and I was probably confusing you with Robin
in terms of linux?
Funny thing is, when I also turned theWindows Location services on
I should have kept reading, and I was probably confusing you with Robin
in terms of linux?
Yes. I use Windows (11) (with some 'Linux' (actually GNU) stuff on
top, but that's not relevant).
Carlos (not Robin, for some reason 'robin' is in his e-mail address (perhaps last name?)) indeed mostly uses Linux.
One thing I could not, for the life of me figure out then, and now, is how >> you managed to change your home router's MAC (BSSID) address
At that time my router was running openWRT so I could have overridden
the hardware MAC address, but don't actually think I did.
I have a feeling that the .json file I used contained some of my
neighbours' BSSIDs rather than my own, however I'm using a different
router now.
Windows is probably using one of the databases to get the precise location. They triangulate from nearby wifi access points that are uploaded to it.
Is Windows using their own wifi access point database or that of google's?
When the browser is blocking location access, do you get an actual (rough)location, or just a map which 'happens' to be somewhere around
your location?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
When the browser is blocking location access, do you get an actual
(rough)location, or just a map which 'happens' to be somewhere around
your location?
I get a blue dot, if I had to guess it's at the geographical centre of
the village, if I search for the village name, it centres on the same
point.
But regardless of whether the location service is on or off, google maps
can get a rough location 300m away when the browser is blocking location access, or a precise location if the browser is set to allow location access, so where does the browser get it from?
I would be very surprised if firefox can technically see sufficient
wifi details enough for it to geolocate itself, other than by IP addr,
but as mentioned most geo databases are 150+km away from my true
location ... so what is going on?
Andy Burns wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
When the browser is blocking location access, do you get an actual
(rough)location, or just a map which 'happens' to be somewhere around
your location?
I get a blue dot, if I had to guess it's at the geographical centre of
the village, if I search for the village name, it centres on the same point.
Sorry, I was logged-in to google that time. If I logout and refresh, it centres on the same place, but no blue dot.
Now could you please go away,
When the browser is blocking location access, do you get an actual
(rough)location, or just a map which 'happens' to be somewhere around
your location?
I get a blue dot, if I had to guess it's at the geographical centre of
the village, if I search for the village name, it centres on the same
point.
Sorry, I was logged-in to google that time. If I logout and refresh, it
centres on the same place, but no blue dot.
Thanks. So the same for you in Firefox as for me in Edge.
On this 27 Oct 2023 19:10:28 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
�� When the browser is blocking location access, do you get an actual >>>>> (rough)location, or just a map which 'happens' to be somewhere around >>>>> your location?
I get a blue dot, if I had to guess it's at the geographical centre
of the village, if I search for the village name, it centres on the
same point.
Sorry, I was logged-in to google that time. If I logout and refresh,
it centres on the same place, but no blue dot.
Thanks. So the same for you in Firefox as for me in Edge.
Do you think Firefox & Edge are getting the location from the nearby WiFi access points that the computer can see or from an IP address geolookup?
Do you think Firefox & Edge are getting the location from the nearby WiFi access points that the computer can see or from an IP address geolookup?
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote
Now could you please go away,
If you can't see how your GPS location is part of the upload to Google's >database, and which is likely what they're using,
then you're an idiot.
Have you ever tried to route a random IP thru a switch ? It isn't as easy as you think you know.
Normally an ISP will create subnets within its own
subnet, just to be able to route a bunch of them to where its split up into its seperate to-the-home connections.
IOW, besides that the ISPs servicing area is pretty-much known
experiences
over time could give Google a good idea which sub-subnet is servicing a particular area.
For example, I've got internet from an ISP which services a rather large
part of my country (places hundreds of kilometers apart). Still, Google pinpoints my city, and gives a good shot to the zipcode area within it - and shows me it every time I do a search.
I eat, sleep and breathe routers, switches, bridges and tunnels.
But that's not visible to firefox or google, the subnet advertising my
measly block of IP addrs to the world is a /15
UK-wide in my ISP's case, it's not a local/regional "cable" ISP, I could
move to the other end of the country and retain the same IPs.
For example, I've got internet from an ISP which services a rather large
part of my country (places hundreds of kilometers apart). Still, Google
pinpoints my city, and gives a good shot to the zipcode area within it -
and
shows me it every time I do a search.
Have you tried to see if you can stop them doing that?
I don't see how firefox (running as a non-admin user) could gather enough information (list of visible SSIDs with signal strengths)
Yet still google maps ... knows what village I'm in...
Logically it's likely to be locating by IP addr, but my range of eight
static IP addrs are assigned from an ISP subnet of 2048 addrs, the
allocation to me isn't recorded in the ripe.net database, so there should
be no way for anyone outside my ISP to know whether the previously unused
IP is assigned to me, my neighbour or someone hundreds of miles away.
For example, I've got internet from an ISP which services a rather large >>> part of my country (places hundreds of kilometers apart). Still, Google
pinpoints my city, and gives a good shot to the zipcode area within it - >>> and
shows me it every time I do a search.
Have you tried to see if you can stop them doing that?
Thats the thing : You *can't* stop them doing it, as you need to provide an IP to be able to get responses to your requests. And that IP is all they need.
Could it be simply that passing phones have already uploaded Andy's access point unique information and that of every one of Andy's nearby neighbors?
Do you think Firefox & Edge are getting that location from that nearby WiFi access point database with a simple IP address lookup in those AP tables?
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 297 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 05:24:35 |
| Calls: | 6,666 |
| Files: | 12,213 |
| Messages: | 5,335,949 |
