• Get Sumo/Dumo & other free utils while you can as they seem to be disap

    From Wally J@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 01:12:32 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
    <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
    All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.

    SUMo
    DUMo
    IDPhotoStudio
    VideoInspector
    KCleaner
    HDDExpert
    RAMExpert
    BATExpert
    PortExpert
    dot11Expert
    MassCert
    Startup Sentinel
    Zer0
    AudioGrail
    PhotoToFilm
    AVIToolbox
    ApHeMo
    K-ML
    KFK
    Ignition
    Vampix
    K-Mail (Active-X)
    K-FTP (Active-X)
    etc.
    --
    It's almost worthless to solve a problem and only help one person doing it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 23 02:01:26 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

    <<https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
    All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.

    For the archives... so others benefit not only now, but well into the future (your time and effort is only worth it if you help many others using that leverage).

    for /F %i in ('dir /b *.exe') do certutil -hashfile %i SHA256 >> hash.txt type hash.txt

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/sumo_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of sumo_lite.exe: 614158ae45025e2ac13a043c78d3a8147543d6efc6b51368182051100687b203

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/dumo_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of dumo_lite.exe: a05173a81745375cea6d060baace7ee80a88143b5ea2ea61976301a0fedc3e02

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kcleaner_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kcleaner_lite.exe: 8dd407c78d80732d02fb6ddcff76349eef2405b6ee740104bca9c385ad6d456e

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of videoinspector_lite.exe: 68990a699298fe6357a7223a4366e083a382334531e1604ffb27c808f4589c7a

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/portexpert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of portexpert_lite.exe: e24402a3a9c3dc47b5c736dae5d5849fa6fcf436717f7896e54537b1b47de80a

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/hdde_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of hdde_lite.exe: fb660d04bf75760c3a2d9680df3e17f842558eb842dd05e9bda0e4e0988d5464

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/ramexpert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of ramexpert_lite.exe: 4938a057fefe6a7e57edad3bf130112839ffc5d33828d3a7336fd78dafde006c

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/IDPS_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of IDPS_lite.exe: 0ea0c6071516a8e3ac518ecec17a5d3abe7380416cdff235ea12f5515596981d

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/batexpert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of batexpert_lite.exe: f4d3e165ad35bf529182b68d96a1f398075a45db944bd652b69a2669f43f7929

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/phototofilm_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of phototofilm_lite.exe: f623b0018a86cd6c692d832108493bc9969d5771c751f582d22005434da9f6ae

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kml.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kml.exe: a3d807a6d81fbd2164a907a1ff63170fd5f881b247c1e43b9abacc1650ac84b6

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/dot11expert.exe>
    SHA256 hash of dot11expert.exe: 445f4c2ae64e2e976f10c5a0b2ea37f213a46d126bf0798979c6a0e9327a3015

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/sus_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of sus_lite.exe: 538d2462dfd6f878563e51975170133c98650fed51b72fb798d77941ce4aa6e4

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/aphemo.exe>
    SHA256 hash of aphemo.exe: 25995579c9c28727d7c86669696b1cd560174e2cde767a4c7d4b3b3d1c394cb0

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/ignition_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of ignition_lite.exe: 2670106377baf8225fddea579e05e69ed4cc00b8ddaab2ae2d2e18d9bd6becd8

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/zero_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of zero_lite.exe: 8798deac4615c53ebe14edd90bab54a8ae8611c514c3d0e3e36af7375ae348b4

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/vampix_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of vampix_lite.exe: abee7d8ecb8e7a03b39adc7261cc001e5f0272598f5fa3a572732f3ac484a9ba

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/avitoolbox_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of avitoolbox_lite.exe: b097898061b6741bdf82bc3accd0b1f1e394260568efb96ca8254e908fd948b2

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/audiograil_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of audiograil_lite.exe: a01de39aa3ea170c333ba80cc4073b6ce89f58275bebc18b9d8e8c75cdbf022d

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/masscert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of masscert_lite.exe: 76954b87032c5f18955df4dae51f8f0121a21b7c2a4ed5c8520ed8e5fbd80dd7

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kfk_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kfk_lite.exe: 60d49ca990d7c21e839fc4194cc1cad4517c2c769b33a7ad5baa1cbc8420c43d

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kmail.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kmail.exe: 207e77a60e0c1c2ead5cbf388b792b89dc18f4fbf15262c70ab6bb5a6c0b7a65

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kftp.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kftp.exe: 0030e8a4273d124f0db66af10f8dd0959f55807640d103bc936c33858b0e6b43

    The reason for documenting the hash is to note whether the files change over time.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Mon Oct 23 02:14:23 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> wrote

    On 10/22/2023 11:12 PM, Wally J wrote:
    It's almost worthless to solve a problem and only help one person doing it.

    I'll tell the surgeons I know about the above. But don't you think they
    might want to continue diagnosing and performing life-saving procedures
    on individuals?

    I get your point, which is there is value helping just one person.
    I don't disagree.

    But there's MORE VALUE in spending the time to help many other people too. Which is where it becomes worth the effort to document things in detail.

    To document in detail to help one person isn't worth the effort usually.
    Unless that one person has done the same amount of effort to help you.

    Which happens with some people, like Paul, Herbert Kleebauer & the like.
    But most people don't even give you the time of day in a Usenet post.

    To help them isn't worth a lot of effort unless we also help everyone else. That's the trick.

    It's why I write extensive tutorials (so many, that I can't count them).

    If I'm going to spend my valuable time documenting a solution, it's not
    worth my effort to help only one person. That's why I use archived ngs.

    Unfortunately, the Windows archives suck, even as I've tried using them.
    <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
    <http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/>

    So I strive to add newsgroups which are autoarchived & web searchable:
    <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>

    Even though nobody actually uses that group - the archive is what matters. Anyone can search that archive now or ten or twenty years from now.

    That's leverage if they find our tutorials useful two decades from now.

    Note I'm well aware most people are on Usenet merely for their amusement.
    I'm not.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Oct 22 23:44:02 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/22/2023 11:12 PM, Wally J wrote:
    It's almost worthless to solve a problem and only help one person doing it.

    I'll tell the surgeons I know about the above. But don't you think they
    might want to continue diagnosing and performing life-saving procedures
    on individuals?
    --
    Jeff Barnett

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 23 19:24:47 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
    <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
    All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.

    SUMo
    DUMo
    IDPhotoStudio
    VideoInspector
    KCleaner
    HDDExpert
    RAMExpert
    BATExpert
    PortExpert
    dot11Expert
    MassCert
    Startup Sentinel
    Zer0
    AudioGrail
    PhotoToFilm
    AVIToolbox
    ApHeMo
    K-ML
    KFK
    Ignition
    Vampix
    K-Mail (Active-X)
    K-FTP (Active-X)
    etc.

    Unclear that means their web site and downloads will cease to exist.
    I've downloaded lots of unsupported software, but the site remained and
    the downloads were still available, or the software was available
    elsewhere (e.g., download sites). Not sure "activities are to be
    terminated" means they'll yank their web site, but there would still be
    the costs of web hosting and bandwidth (at ovh.com), and they obviously
    would not be generating new revenue to offset those costs.

    They give their company address as "31190 AUTERIVE FRANCE". I wanted to
    see if street view in Google Maps would show if it was a residence or commercial building; however, without a street name, the street view
    can't show the location. With the GPDR fucking up domain registrant
    info, a WhoIS on kcsoftwares.com is severely redacted. Anyone can
    visit, but God forbid anyone knows to who they connect.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Mon Oct 23 19:59:39 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    VanguardLH wrote:

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this >>> notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days... >>> <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023. >>> All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.

    Unclear that means their web site and downloads will cease to exist.

    SUMo has agreements with software provide to keep him
    apprised of versions updates. This will vanish.
    Sumo will be worthless after that.

    If kcsoftwares.com is a download site of software by others, couldn't
    you get SUMo from whomever is its author? When I search on "sumo" at
    other download sites (e.g., softpedia.com, majorgeeks.com), they list KCsoftwares as the developer. Can't see why KC would have to keep KC
    appraised of new versions of SUMo. Looks like KC is going out of
    business hence all its software will become unsupported which does not
    mandate it is worthless. Well, except for this product of theirs, yes.

    As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.
    I don't want something nagging me there is a new version. I disable
    hardware updates in Windows, and auto-updates in programs. I've also
    disabled WU, so no updates to Windows until I'm ready (have the
    motivation, have the time, saved a full image backup). There are lots
    of software update naggers. I don't use any of them. I do use
    CCleaner, but never use its update check features (one for drivers,
    another for software).

    New code may fix old bugs, but it also introduces new bugs. Plus you
    let someone else choose if and when to change the state of your
    computer. The update checkers usually ask for your permission, but
    considering who uses these means they will blindly opt to update without
    ever checking what fixes, if any, will effect their use of the software.
    These tools are second to using registry cleaners: most the same blithe
    users use those, too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Mon Oct 23 17:43:10 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 17:24, VanguardLH wrote:
    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
    notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
    <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
    All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.

    SUMo
    DUMo
    IDPhotoStudio
    VideoInspector
    KCleaner
    HDDExpert
    RAMExpert
    BATExpert
    PortExpert
    dot11Expert
    MassCert
    Startup Sentinel
    Zer0
    AudioGrail
    PhotoToFilm
    AVIToolbox
    ApHeMo
    K-ML
    KFK
    Ignition
    Vampix
    K-Mail (Active-X)
    K-FTP (Active-X)
    etc.

    Unclear that means their web site and downloads will cease to exist.
    I've downloaded lots of unsupported software, but the site remained and
    the downloads were still available, or the software was available
    elsewhere (e.g., download sites). Not sure "activities are to be
    terminated" means they'll yank their web site, but there would still be
    the costs of web hosting and bandwidth (at ovh.com), and they obviously
    would not be generating new revenue to offset those costs.

    They give their company address as "31190 AUTERIVE FRANCE". I wanted to
    see if street view in Google Maps would show if it was a residence or commercial building; however, without a street name, the street view
    can't show the location. With the GPDR fucking up domain registrant
    info, a WhoIS on kcsoftwares.com is severely redacted. Anyone can
    visit, but God forbid anyone knows to who they connect.


    SUMo has agreements with software provide to keep him
    apprised of versions updates. This will vanish.
    Sumo will be worthless after that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 23 20:02:16 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

    <<https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
    All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.

    For the archives... so others benefit not only now, but well into the future (your time and effort is only worth it if you help many others using that leverage).

    for /F %i in ('dir /b *.exe') do certutil -hashfile %i SHA256 >> hash.txt
    type hash.txt

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/sumo_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of sumo_lite.exe: 614158ae45025e2ac13a043c78d3a8147543d6efc6b51368182051100687b203

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/dumo_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of dumo_lite.exe: a05173a81745375cea6d060baace7ee80a88143b5ea2ea61976301a0fedc3e02

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kcleaner_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kcleaner_lite.exe: 8dd407c78d80732d02fb6ddcff76349eef2405b6ee740104bca9c385ad6d456e

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of videoinspector_lite.exe: 68990a699298fe6357a7223a4366e083a382334531e1604ffb27c808f4589c7a

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/portexpert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of portexpert_lite.exe: e24402a3a9c3dc47b5c736dae5d5849fa6fcf436717f7896e54537b1b47de80a

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/hdde_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of hdde_lite.exe: fb660d04bf75760c3a2d9680df3e17f842558eb842dd05e9bda0e4e0988d5464

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/ramexpert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of ramexpert_lite.exe: 4938a057fefe6a7e57edad3bf130112839ffc5d33828d3a7336fd78dafde006c

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/IDPS_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of IDPS_lite.exe: 0ea0c6071516a8e3ac518ecec17a5d3abe7380416cdff235ea12f5515596981d

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/batexpert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of batexpert_lite.exe: f4d3e165ad35bf529182b68d96a1f398075a45db944bd652b69a2669f43f7929

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/phototofilm_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of phototofilm_lite.exe: f623b0018a86cd6c692d832108493bc9969d5771c751f582d22005434da9f6ae

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kml.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kml.exe: a3d807a6d81fbd2164a907a1ff63170fd5f881b247c1e43b9abacc1650ac84b6

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/dot11expert.exe>
    SHA256 hash of dot11expert.exe: 445f4c2ae64e2e976f10c5a0b2ea37f213a46d126bf0798979c6a0e9327a3015

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/sus_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of sus_lite.exe: 538d2462dfd6f878563e51975170133c98650fed51b72fb798d77941ce4aa6e4

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/aphemo.exe>
    SHA256 hash of aphemo.exe: 25995579c9c28727d7c86669696b1cd560174e2cde767a4c7d4b3b3d1c394cb0

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/ignition_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of ignition_lite.exe: 2670106377baf8225fddea579e05e69ed4cc00b8ddaab2ae2d2e18d9bd6becd8

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/zero_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of zero_lite.exe: 8798deac4615c53ebe14edd90bab54a8ae8611c514c3d0e3e36af7375ae348b4

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/vampix_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of vampix_lite.exe: abee7d8ecb8e7a03b39adc7261cc001e5f0272598f5fa3a572732f3ac484a9ba

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/avitoolbox_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of avitoolbox_lite.exe: b097898061b6741bdf82bc3accd0b1f1e394260568efb96ca8254e908fd948b2

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/audiograil_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of audiograil_lite.exe: a01de39aa3ea170c333ba80cc4073b6ce89f58275bebc18b9d8e8c75cdbf022d

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/masscert_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of masscert_lite.exe: 76954b87032c5f18955df4dae51f8f0121a21b7c2a4ed5c8520ed8e5fbd80dd7

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kfk_lite.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kfk_lite.exe: 60d49ca990d7c21e839fc4194cc1cad4517c2c769b33a7ad5baa1cbc8420c43d

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kmail.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kmail.exe: 207e77a60e0c1c2ead5cbf388b792b89dc18f4fbf15262c70ab6bb5a6c0b7a65

    <https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kftp.exe>
    SHA256 hash of kftp.exe: 0030e8a4273d124f0db66af10f8dd0959f55807640d103bc936c33858b0e6b43

    The reason for documenting the hash is to note whether the files change over time.

    If their "termination" means their site gets killed, all these URLs
    archived into Usenet will become unusable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 23 17:41:05 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Mon Oct 23 18:34:04 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 17:59, VanguardLH wrote:
    As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.

    Me neither.

    I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved". I do
    not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
    no improvements".

    Problem: revision nagware is required for PCI (Payment
    Card Industry) Certification. SUMo did a wonderful job
    and was each for the users to run their weekly tests.
    (I only upgraded the red ones [criticals] as required
    by PCI-DSS SAQ-C.)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 23 18:39:39 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site to give
    him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this notice
    that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days... <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/


    This is the almost impossible to find download URL
    for SUMo that I have used for years:

    https://www.kcsoftwares.com/?download

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to Big Al on Mon Oct 23 19:51:25 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
    On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Hi Al,

    That one sound better than any of the other I found.
    on:

    https://alternativeto.net/software/sumo/?p=2

    It sounds like I can do automatically or manual updates.

    And it ranks the updates (criticals, etc.) which is
    what I need.

    Thank you!

    -T

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what T on Mon Oct 23 22:44:47 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
    --
    Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
    Al

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Oct 24 01:41:12 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote

    The reason for documenting the hash is to note whether the files change over time.

    If their "termination" means their site gets killed, all these URLs
    archived into Usenet will become unusable.

    Hi Vanguard,

    Um... er... please spend a moment to give me some credit for not being
    stupid as that's _exactly_ why I provided the hash in the first place.

    If the site disappears, but if the software shows up somewhere else ten
    years from now (and it will) how do you know if it's the _same_ software?

    If you trust my hash - then you know the answer but w/o it, you don't know.

    And the URL also has value - because it makes it easy for anyone else to
    click on it to obtain the files instantly - which is why I provided it.

    The URL is to allow anyone on this newsgroup to get the software easily
    (please note that I almost _always_ go to the trouble to provide the URL).

    Please give me credit for not being stupid like most people seem to be
    & for thinking ahead on why I provided not only the URL, but also the hash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Tue Oct 24 01:52:51 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.

    Me neither.

    I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved". I do
    not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
    no improvements".

    Regarding the two valid observations both T & Vanguard bring up...
    a. *What happens after October 31st 2023*?
    b. T & Vanguard don't like nagware which they consider SUMO to be

    Regarding the first issue, I think nobody knows yet what will happen.

    That's why you kind of want to get the software now, before the 31st.
    Which is why I provided the URLs (to make that process easy for you).

    And if you read this ten years from now in the archives, that's why I
    provided the hash (so that you know if it's the same software or not).

    Regarding the second issue, there were two dozen executables listed.
    SUMO is just one of those two dozen utilities.
    <https://kcsoftwares.com/?sumo>
    "SUMo (Software Update Monitor) keeps your PC up-to-date & safe
    by using the most recent version of your favorite software !
    Unlike built-in auto update features, SUMo tells you if updates
    are available before you need to use your software."

    Personally, I don't use SUMO; but I used DUMO in the past for drivers.
    <https://kcsoftwares.com/?dumo>
    "DUMo (Drivers Update Monitor) keeps your PC up-to-date & safe by
    using the most recent version of required hardware drivers!"

    Last time I used it for debugging crashes it told me the delta between my current driver setup (for about a dozen drivers) which I found useful.

    It did not automatically update the drivers as I think that costs money.
    But it gave me the exact subversions and the links to the driver files.

    Note that DUMO often found a _newer_ driver than Windows update found.
    --
    No sense doing a lot of work on Usenet if the answer isn't leveraged to
    others, now & well into the future - using basic autoarchival capabilities.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Oct 24 00:37:58 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 22:41, Wally J wrote:
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote

    The reason for documenting the hash is to note whether the files change over time.

    If their "termination" means their site gets killed, all these URLs
    archived into Usenet will become unusable.

    Hi Vanguard,

    Um... er... please spend a moment to give me some credit for not being
    stupid as that's _exactly_ why I provided the hash in the first place.

    If the site disappears, but if the software shows up somewhere else ten
    years from now (and it will) how do you know if it's the _same_ software?

    If you trust my hash - then you know the answer but w/o it, you don't know.

    And the URL also has value - because it makes it easy for anyone else to click on it to obtain the files instantly - which is why I provided it.

    The URL is to allow anyone on this newsgroup to get the software easily (please note that I almost _always_ go to the trouble to provide the URL).

    Please give me credit for not being stupid like most people seem to be
    & for thinking ahead on why I provided not only the URL, but also the hash.

    Hi Wally,

    In the Linux world, hashes are always provided. I also
    noticed that when downloading a Windows installer ISO,
    M$ has starting to provide hashes as well. It is a
    capitol idea. I did not think anything of yours when
    I saw it, just that it looked professional.

    -T

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Tue Oct 24 03:17:24 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. >> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Hi Al,

    That one sound better than any of the other I found.
    on:

    https://alternativeto.net/software/sumo/?p=2

    It sounds like I can do automatically or manual updates.

    And it ranks the updates (criticals, etc.) which is
    what I need.

    Wow. I love Usenet!

    This purposefully helpful discussion is the beauty of Usenet!

    You find people who can tell you things that you never knew before.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NjT62Fvt/patchmypc01.jpg> initial reporting
    <https://i.postimg.cc/x84vMbdf/patchmypc02.jpg> downloading installers

    To further add value, I ran the program once (it's still running),
    where I output the following into my log file and export it to you.

    I do that so that you can skim this log file in seconds to find out
    whether or not you want to download and run the program.

    Note that you'll want to make some judicious settings _before_ you
    run it as you can download all installers instead of installing them!

    It takes only one person to run it & report what it does to
    help everyone have a better idea if they want to use it.

    So my payback for cluing me in is to simply run & report results.

    <https://patchmypc.com/home-updater#download>
    <https://patchmypc.com/freeupdater/PatchMyPC.exe>
    Name: PatchMyPC.exe
    Size: 2596472 bytes (2535 KiB)
    SHA256: D5A2DDBA0EE5C577268D69BBC129046D48F36C8306C8A57D4F6B2E2DED193202

    Where should it go?
    I already have C:\archive\cleaner\{duplicate,uninstall,update,vaccine}

    So let's put it there, where it belongs.
    Note: I called it "update" but I'll use "updater" below for readability.
    And I'll use plurals, again, only for easy user readability on Usenet.

    Installer archive:
    C:\archives\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\PatchMyPC.exe
    Installed into:
    cp that executable to C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\.
    Menu:
    C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc.lnk
    Database:
    Change the "cache" in the PatchMyPC "Options" to where it belongs.
    C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\cache
    Likewise with the "log" file location, putting it where it belongs.
    C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\logs

    <https://patchmypc.com/home-updater>
    "Free Patch Management for your home environment"
    "When you open Patch My PC Updater, it will scan your system
    for outdated programs.
    Outdated programs will be shown in ¡V Red
    Updated programs will be shown in ¡V Green
    Not-installed programs will be shown in ¡V Black"

    What Are The System Requirements?
    Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5
    Internet access

    a. Press network killswitch icon in the taskbar
    b. Run patchmypc.exe
    "Connection Error
    Unable to connection [sic] to patchmypc.com.
    Please verify you have internet connection And [sic]
    try to browse to https://patchmypc.com
    Error Message: The remote name could not be resolved:
    'patchmypc.com'"
    c. Press the network killswitch shortcut & run again
    d. It's _not_ an installer; it's the executable!
    PatchMyPC.exe version 4.5.0.4
    e. Copy the executable to where it belongs
    copy patchmypc.exe c:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\.
    f. Create a shortcut to place in your taskbar pullout menu
    copy patchmypc.lnk c:\menus\cleaners\updaters\.
    g. Run patchmypc while on the net & set a few "Options"
    [x]Don't delete app installer files
    [x]Enable download only mode
    [x]Enable IT Pro Caching Mode
    Log=C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\logs\
    Cache=C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\cache\
    etc.

    In my single test above, patchmypc downloaded the installers
    for dozens of my apps (which I normally do not bother updating).

    All the installers went into this specific named location.
    C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\.
    The log file containing the full URLs went into here.
    C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\log\PatchMyPC.log

    Here are just the first three entries to that ongoing log file.

    10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download URL: https://www.7-zip.org/a/7z2301-x64.exe 10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download Path: C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\7-Zip 23.01 (x64).exe
    10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download size: 1.52 MB
    10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download Starting for: https://www.7-zip.org/a/7z2301-x64.exe
    10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Downloading: 7-Zip 23.01 (x64) (1.52 MB)
    10/24/2023 2:51:01 AM - Total download time in seconds: 5.58
    10/24/2023 2:51:01 AM - 7-Zip 23.01 (x64) Downloaded Successfully

    10/24/2023 2:51:01 AM - Download only mode enabled skipping install

    10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download URL: https://www.advanceduninstaller.com/soft/uninstaller/Advanced_Uninstaller13.exe
    10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download Path: C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\Advanced Uninstaller PRO 13.26.0.68.exe
    10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download size: 11.69 MB
    10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download Starting for: https://www.advanceduninstaller.com/soft/uninstaller/Advanced_Uninstaller13.exe
    10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Downloading: Advanced Uninstaller PRO 13.26.0.68 (11.69 MB)
    10/24/2023 2:51:19 AM - Total download time in seconds: 15.89
    10/24/2023 2:51:19 AM - Advanced Uninstaller PRO 13.26.0.68 Downloaded Successfully

    10/24/2023 2:51:19 AM - Download only mode enabled skipping install

    10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download URL: https://mirror.clarkson.edu/blender/release/Blender3.6/blender-3.6.5-windows-x64.msi
    10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download Path: C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\Blender 3.6.5.msi
    10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download size: 305.86 MB
    10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download Starting for: https://mirror.clarkson.edu/blender/release/Blender3.6/blender-3.6.5-windows-x64.msi
    10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Downloading: Blender 3.6.5 (305.86 MB)
    10/24/2023 2:56:21 AM - Total download time in seconds: 299.94
    10/24/2023 2:56:21 AM - Blender 3.6.5 Downloaded Successfully

    10/24/2023 2:56:21 AM - Download only mode enabled skipping install
    etc.

    Supported product list:

    Adobe Acrobat Reader DC
    Adobe Air
    Advanced IP Scanner
    Advanced SystemCare
    Advanced Uninstaller PRO
    AIMP
    Amazon Music
    Angry IP Scanner
    AnyDesk
    Atom
    Audacity
    Auslogics Disk Defrag
    AutoHotkey
    Autorun Organizer
    Avast Free Antivirus
    AVG Free Antivirus
    Bandizip
    Bitdefender Anti-Ransomware
    BleachBit
    Blender
    BOINC
    Brackets
    Brave
    CamStudio
    Calibre
    CCleaner
    CDBurnerXP
    Classic Shell
    CMake
    Code::Blocks
    Copy Handler
    Core FTP LE
    CPU-Z
    CrystalDiskInfo
    CrystalDiskMark
    DavMail
    Discord
    DiskCheckup
    DoNotSpy11
    Driver Booster
    Driver Easy
    Dropbox
    EA App
    EditPad Lite
    eM Client
    eMule
    Etcher
    Evernote
    Everything
    Exact Audio Copy
    FastStone Image Viewer
    FileZilla Client
    Foobar2000
    Foxit Reader
    Free Studio
    Freemake Video Converter
    Freeplane
    Frhed
    GIMP
    Git
    GitHub Desktop
    Glary Utilities
    GlassWire
    GOG Galaxy
    GOM Player
    Google Backup & Sync
    Google Chrome
    Google Earth Pro
    Gpg4win
    Greenshot
    HandBrake
    HashTab
    Heidi Eraser
    HostsMan
    Hotspot Shield
    HWiNFO32
    HWiNFO64
    HWMonitor
    iCloud
    ImageGlass
    ImgBurn
    Inkscape
    IObit Malware Fighter
    IObit Smart Defrag
    IObit Uninstaller
    IrFanView
    iTunes
    Java 8 (JRE) (x64)
    Java 8 (JRE) (x86)
    jetAudio Basic
    K-Lite Mega Codec Pack
    KC Softwares SUMo
    KeePass
    LibreCAD
    LibreOffice
    LMMS
    Logitech SetPoint
    Malwarebytes
    Maxthon
    Media Monkey
    Media Player Classic ¡V Home Cinema
    MediaInfo
    Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable (x86)
    Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable (x64)
    MKVToolNix
    Mozilla Firefox
    Mozilla Firefox ESR
    Mozilla Thunderbird
    MP3Tag
    mRemoteNG
    MSI Afterburner
    Multi Commander
    MyPhoneExplorer
    Mumble
    MusicBee
    MusicBrainz Picard
    Nextcloud
    NotePad++
    NoteTab Light
    NVDA Screen Reader
    Nvidia Physx
    OBS Studio
    OpenOffice
    OpenShot Video Editor
    OpenVPN
    Opera
    OwnCloud
    Paint.NET
    Pale Moon
    PDFedit
    PDF Split and Merge
    PDF-XChange Viewer
    PDF-XChange Editor
    PeaZip
    PicPick
    Pidgin
    PNotes
    PotPlayer
    Privacy Eraser
    PrivaZer
    Process Hacker
    Process Lasso
    Progress Telerik ¡§Fiddler¡§
    ProtonVPN
    PureSync
    PuTTY
    qBittorrent
    Reg Organizer
    Registry Life
    Resilio Sync
    Revo Uninstaller
    RogueKiller
    RStudio
    SABnzbd
    Samsung Kies 3
    SandBoxie
    SFXMaker
    ShareX
    Simple System Tweaker
    Skype
    SMPlayer
    Soft Organizer
    SpeedCrunch
    Spybot: Search & Destroy
    Steam
    Stereoscopic Player
    Subtitle Edit
    SumatraPDF
    SUPERAntiSpyware
    SyncBackFree
    TeamSpeak 3 Client
    TeamViewer
    Telegram
    TeraCopy
    TortoiseSVN
    TreeSize Free
    Ubisoft Connect
    Ultra Defragmenter
    UltraSearch
    Unchecky
    Unlocker
    Viber
    Virtual Box
    Visual Studio Code
    Vivaldi
    VLC Media Player
    VMware Horizon Client
    VNC Server
    VNC Viewer
    Waterfox
    WhatsApp
    WhoCrashed
    Winaero Tweaker
    WinAMP
    WinDirStat
    Windows Repair
    Windscribe
    WinMerge
    WinRAR
    WinSCP
    WinUAE
    Wireshark
    Wise Care 365
    Wise Disk Cleaner
    Wise Folder Hider
    Wise Program Uninstaller
    Wise Registry Cleaner
    WorldWide Telescope
    WPS Office
    XMedia Recode
    XnView
    XnViewMP
    Xperia Companion
    Zoner Photo Studio
    Zotero
    List of Portable Products:
    AdwCleaner
    AeroAdmin
    AnyDesk
    AS SSD Benchmark
    BitDefender USB Immunizer
    CCleaner
    ComboFix
    Defraggler
    DesktopOK (x86)
    DesktopOK (x64)
    Display Driver Uninstaller
    DOSBox
    DShutdown
    Geek Uninstaller
    GPU-Z
    InSpectre
    Kaspersky TDSSKiller
    O&O Shutup10
    Recuva
    RKill
    RogueKiller (x86)
    RogueKiller (x64)
    Rufus
    Speccy
    SpeedyFox
    Subtitle Workshop
    Sysinternals Suite
    Tor Browser
    Ultimate Windows Tweaker
    Windows Repair
    Windows Update MiniTool
    WSUS Offline Updates
    360 Total Security
    7-Zip
    8 Gadget Pack
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Oct 24 12:45:10 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 2023-10-23 08:14, Wally J wrote:

    ...

    It's why I write extensive tutorials (so many, that I can't count them).

    If I'm going to spend my valuable time documenting a solution, it's not
    worth my effort to help only one person. That's why I use archived ngs.

    Unfortunately, the Windows archives suck, even as I've tried using them.
    <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
    <http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/>

    So I strive to add newsgroups which are autoarchived & web searchable:
    <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>

    Even though nobody actually uses that group - the archive is what matters. Anyone can search that archive now or ten or twenty years from now.

    That's leverage if they find our tutorials useful two decades from now.

    Arlen, the way you are doing it is a waste of time.

    Me, for instance, am reading this on alt.comp.os.windows-10, and the
    oldest article I can read today is dated 2020-09-07. I do not search on
    the sites you mentioned, I search here.

    If you want to post useful tutorials, create or find a website to host
    them, and post them there, properly edited and indexed.

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what Wally J on Tue Oct 24 07:41:33 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/24/23 03:17 AM, this is what Wally J wrote:
    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. >>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Hi Al,

    That one sound better than any of the other I found.
    on:

    https://alternativeto.net/software/sumo/?p=2

    It sounds like I can do automatically or manual updates.

    And it ranks the updates (criticals, etc.) which is
    what I need.

    Wow. I love Usenet!

    <snip TL;DR>


    Patch My PC HAS to connect to the internet to check for updates to itself and check all your found installed software
    for new versions.
    --
    Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
    Al

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Big Al on Tue Oct 24 19:53:55 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote

    Patch My PC HAS to connect to the internet to check for updates
    to itself and check all your found installed software
    for new versions.

    Not really. It could pop up the GUI first, and _then_ connect to the
    Internet only after you press a "Go get 'em!" button (like TBB does).

    When I install an app, it gets a one-strike-you're-out criteria (which most fail) but this PatchMyPC is a keeper already...

    Thanks for suggesting it so that everyone benefits from your knowledge.

    First off, PatchMyPC is a _great_ program because it grabs dozens of
    installers and saves them into a single location for you to choose.

    PatchMyPC also provides the URL to those installers, and, if desired,
    PatchMyPC will install the updates (which is the part I didn't test).

    Secondly, PatchMyPC.exe is the executable program - where I had _thought_
    it was a stub installer because it was so small - but it's the program.

    The only thing I could fault PatchMyPC is that I'd prefer the GUI pop up so that I can set some of the settings _without_ having to be on the Internet.

    But nothing happens unless you're on the Internet - which is kind of wrong.
    It should be like any other program that connects to the Internet.
    a. First you start the GUI
    b. Then you can tweak whatever settings you want to change
    c. Then you can press the "connect now" button to connect to the net.

    Still, if that's the only flaw to complain about, it's a damn good app!
    Looks like it was mentioned in 22 threads on a.c.f since 5/28/2012...
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/search?q=patchmypc>

    First hit on a.c.f in 2012...
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/_53bzlsAhF4/>

    There are other similar programs which have been suggested, e.g.,
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/yYGvFZSHOjc/>
    That thread has Poutnik suggesting "Secunia" for example...
    <http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/>
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Tue Oct 24 20:19:31 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    the way you are doing it is a waste of time.

    Hi Carlos,

    What you need to understand is I'm not like most people, much as Paul & Vanguard & Stan Brown & Herbert Kleebauer aren't like most people are.

    You are like most people. I am not and they are not.
    You need to comprehend this distinction.

    For example, I write so many tutorials posted to Usenet that I can't even
    count them, as just one example of doing what almost nobody else will do.

    However, Paul writes excellently detailed and researched answers too.
    As does Vanguard (although Vanguard jumps to many unwarranted conclusions,
    at least Vanguard is trying to be purposefully helpful by adding data).

    Herbert Kleebauer writes entire batch files that I use daily, much like
    Marek Novotny did, may he rest in peace - where I use Herbert's zone
    changer, and scrcpy command religiously every single day of my life now.

    Stan Brown and Andy Burns are much like many other highly intelligent
    people who write insightful responses - even as they're usually succinct.

    You, Carlos, on the other hand, are much like Joerg Lorenz and Alan Baker
    and Frank Slootweg and many of the others who don't know how to add value.

    Hence you can say "I'm doing it wrong", but you're not even doing it.
    Big difference me being down on the field and you the armchair QB Carlos.

    Here's what I do to disseminate my added value, for example...
    a. I read a users' question (or I write my own question)
    b. I spend a _lot_ of energy documenting a solution
    c. I then ensure that energy is archived in the permanent archives

    These permanent archives are available to _everyone_ on the planet.

    For example someone could know nothing about Usenet and still search
    <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>

    Me, for instance, am reading this on alt.comp.os.windows-10, and the
    oldest article I can read today is dated 2020-09-07. I do not search on
    the sites you mentioned, I search here.

    I just found alt.comp.freeware articles on PatchMyPC dating to 2012,
    the point being anyone on the planet can run a search using these URLs.
    <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.periphs.printers>

    If you want to post useful tutorials, create or find a website to host
    them, and post them there, properly edited and indexed.

    I have posted so many tutorials to so many websites, I can't count them.

    Just look here, for example, in XDA Developers, to find a bunch of them.
    <https://xdaforums.com/m/galaxya325g.11604613/recent-content>

    The whole goal of writing this stuff is to disseminate the knowledge,
    where what I probably should do is write for a tech magazine which has a
    wider audience and where I can spend the time to write better material.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Oct 24 18:43:29 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/24/23 17:19, Wally J wrote:
    c. I then ensure that energy is archived in the permanent archives These permanent archives are available to _everyone_ on the planet.


    Hi Wally,

    Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?

    I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
    not archived anywhere.

    -T

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Big Al on Tue Oct 24 17:32:47 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:

    Patch My PC HAS to connect to the internet to check for updates to
    itself and check all your found installed software for new versions.

    https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/07/sumo-4-and-new-pro-version-released/
    "Hit the check button to check all programs for updates. Please note
    that these checks require an activate Internet connection."

    It has to find out what are the latest versions from somewhere. Could
    be a local database that has to get updated to reflect new software
    versions available since the prior database download. Could be it
    connects to a server with a list of your software inventory to query the
    server for what are the latest versions.

    SUMo needed Internet access to acquire updates (to itself, or for
    lookups). With KCsoftwares ceasing operations, SUMo is going to get out
    of date.

    There is a Pro payware version. Wonder if its servers will still be
    around to fulfill the license terms.

    https://www.ghacks.net/2023/09/11/kc-softwares-maker-of-sumo-and-other-apps-is-shutting-down/
    "he EOL data means that products that rely on server connectivity, such
    as SUMO or DUMO, will stop working, once the server architecture is shut
    down."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Tue Oct 24 22:06:35 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?

    I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
    not archived anywhere.

    Hi T,

    That impression is wrong as this newsgroup _is_ archived somewhere.

    I know this because not only am I different than most people who post to Usenet, but I personally _created_ many of the easy-to-remember URLs.

    However... there is more to the value of an archive than just the data.

    The automatic archive is only 1/3rd the problem set which consists of:
    a. Automatic archival of every thread & every post (in a timely manner)
    b. Easy access (specifically sans account/login/software requirements!)
    c. Efficient search & retrieval based on keywords (usually via a browser)

    If you recall Carlos' statement that his nntp server provides archives back
    a few years, but that he has to pay them for the access privileges...
    you'll see why it's _important_ that the archives be available to everyone
    on the planet who has a web browser and Internet access & nothing else.

    The archives need to be easily remembered though, which is why I created
    the tinyurl links to the previously horribly long Google archival URIs.

    We covered this in many threads over the years, where I personally created
    the tinyurl's to many of the newsgroups to make archives more accessible.
    WINDOWS: <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
    FREEWARE: <https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware>
    PRINTERS: <https://tinyurl.com/comp-periphs-printers>

    Of the three newsgroups listed in the header, all are auto-archived.
    WINDOWS: <https://comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/>
    FREEWARE: <https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com/>
    PRINTERS: <https://comp.periphs.printers.narkive.com/>

    But only two of the newsgroups have an archive that is from DejaNews' db.
    WINDOWS: <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.microsoft.windows>
    FREEWARE: <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
    PRINTERS: <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.periphs.printers>

    Bear in mind I spent scores of hours communicating with the powers that be
    at Google, as did others (I think Andy Burns tried, for example), to get
    them to autoarchive the Windows newsgroup that most of us use daily.

    The best I was able to accomplish was to get Google to _simplify_ the
    newsgroup URL to the letter "g", which doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment but if you saw the way they did it prior, you would thank me
    for my extensive efforts to boil down a crazy-long URL to the letter "g".

    Hope this answers your question where I provided more detail and specific
    links so that my extensive efforts to help you *also* help many others.
    --
    Working alone we are not much use but working together we are powerful!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Big Al on Thu Oct 26 14:54:52 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
    On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Patchmy PC evaluation:

    1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)

    2) worky interface

    3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date

    Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Thu Oct 26 23:44:54 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
    On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. >> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Patchmy PC evaluation:

    1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)

    2) worky interface

    3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date

    Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.

    Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
    updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
    fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Charlie@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Oct 27 07:45:35 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On this Thu, 26 Oct 2023 23:44:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
    On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. >>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Patchmy PC evaluation:

    1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)

    2) worky interface

    3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date

    Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.

    Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
    updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
    fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

    T said SUMo "misses drivers" that are out of date but that's not what SUMo
    is for. Instead DUMo is what is used to find drivers which are out of date.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Oct 27 01:17:59 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/26/23 21:44, VanguardLH wrote:
    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
    On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
    On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

    Thank you for the heads up!!!!

    I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

    You have a favorite replacement?

    In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC. >>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater

    Patchmy PC evaluation:

    1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)

    2) worky interface

    3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date

    Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.

    Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
    updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
    fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

    They would not know how. And they can't find where I put
    my utilities. It is not hard, they just don't know how
    to use the file system.

    SUMo wrote me this:

    Hello,

    After about 20 years of a fantastic adventure, and due to the general context, we have taken the decision to stop. Several good alternatives are on the market... but we hope you enjoyed our products up to now.

    Products will reach EOL, which means that they will stop to work quickly after this date, depending on the progressive decommissioning of the server architecture. As indicated on our "buy" page, the product (and activation licence) "lifetime" ends at
    EOL https://kcsoftwares.com/?buy

    While SUMo was an "aged" product, based on technology from 2 decades ago, I'm confident that the developper's community will soon come with a better, more modern, future-proof alternative.

    Of course I could quote one of the many good updaters on the market : UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop and certainly more.

    Some other actors of this market (such as UCheck CEO) are already monitoring this : https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762

    I hope you enjoyed SUMo and that it has been a useful software for you up to now.

    PatchMyPC does not show "critical" updates.

    I am researching UCheck and VulnDetect.

    You have any suggestions?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Fri Oct 27 16:13:29 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    SUMo wrote me this:

    Hello,

    After about 20 years of a fantastic adventure, and due to the general context,
    we have taken the decision to stop. Several good alternatives are on the market...
    but we hope you enjoyed our products up to now.

    Products will reach EOL, which means that they will stop to work quickly
    after this date, depending on the progressive decommissioning of the server >> architecture. As indicated on our "buy" page, the product (and activation licence)
    "lifetime" ends at EOL https://kcsoftwares.com/?buy

    While SUMo was an "aged" product, based on technology from 2 decades ago,
    I'm confident that the developper's community will soon come with a better, >> more modern, future-proof alternative.

    Of course I could quote one of the many good updaters on the market
    UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop
    and certainly more.

    Some other actors of this market (such as UCheck CEO) are already
    monitoring this :
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762

    I hope you enjoyed SUMo and that it has been a useful software for you up to now.

    Thank you for unearthing from the KC Softwares team the alternatives.
    UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop
    <https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762>

    So that others don't have to go through the sheer hell I just went through, here is my download log which I provide to you for you to further improve
    (so that everyone benefits from our sequential actions working together).

    In alphabetical order...
    cd C:\software\updaters\.
    mkdir {chocolatey,patchmypc,scoop,ucheck,updatehub,vulndetect,wingetui}

    *chocolatey* v2.2.2
    "Chocolatey is the package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
    <https://chocolatey.org/products/#foss>
    <https://chocolatey.org/install>
    <https://community.chocolatey.org/>
    <https://community.chocolatey.org/packages>
    <https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/chocolatey>
    <https://packages.chocolatey.org/chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg>
    Name: chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg
    Size: 5243268 bytes (5120 KiB)
    SHA256: 4E1ACBDAC571719F90B2566566668C448A20074E7C2E3FAA37251C62AF4EFD86

    *patchmypc*
    "Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"
    <https://patchmypc.com/home-updater#download>
    <https://patchmypc.com/freeupdater/PatchMyPC.exe>
    Name: PatchMyPC.exe
    Size: 2596472 bytes (2535 KiB)
    SHA256: D5A2DDBA0EE5C577268D69BBC129046D48F36C8306C8A57D4F6B2E2DED193202

    *scoop*
    "Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."
    <https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop>
    <https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-install-scoop/>
    iwr -useb get.scoop.sh | iex
    Running the installer as administrator is disabled by default,
    see https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Install#for-admin for details.
    PowerShell requires an execution policy in [Unrestricted, RemoteSigned, ByPass]
    to run Scoop. For example, to set the execution policy to 'RemoteSigned'
    please run 'Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser'.
    Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser
    Initializing...
    Downloading ...
    Extracting...
    Creating shim...
    Adding ~\scoop\shims to your path.
    Scoop was installed successfully!
    Type 'scoop help' for instructions.
    scoop uninstall scoop
    WARN This will uninstall Scoop and all the programs that have been installed with Scoop!
    Are you sure? (yN): Y
    Removing ~\scoop\shims from your path.
    Scoop has been uninstalled.

    *ucheck*
    "Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:
    <https://www.adlice.com/ucheck/>
    <https://download.adlice.com/api?action=download&app=ucheck&type=setup>
    <https://cloud.adlice.com/owncloud/index.php/s/zhvgtK8oXyJ6Gru/download?path=5.0.3&files=UCheck_setup.exe>
    Name: UCheck_setup.exe
    Size: 31352920 bytes (29 MiB)
    SHA256: A9A841480CC0850174FEF45F50C2B5D4B75DF97A2E0EF22B4EB25C65B86391AC

    *updatehub*
    "UpdateHub simplifies the process of updating software on your computer."
    <https://ghacks.net/2023/07/24/update-all-windows-programs-with-updatehub/>
    <https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub---quickly-update-os-and-software-apps/>
    <https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub-210---simplified-pc-software-updates/>
    <https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases>
    <https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases/download/v2.2.3/UpdateHub-x64.exe>
    Name: UpdateHub-x64.exe
    Size: 69234472 bytes (66 MiB)
    SHA256: 80A081B63FAC71E96930C24C342ED51A184E9BCA964633D7D898B07B82F90B92

    *vulndetect*
    "An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/finding-a-software-updater-to-replace-secunias-psi/>
    <https://vulndetect.org/>
    <https://vulndetect.com/dl/secteerSetup.exe>
    Name: secteerSetup.exe
    Size: 2180544 bytes (2129 KiB)
    SHA256: 2A7F91BA248637F26D3CC5976F4456D245427D50D05EB466541A4E3666211E19

    *wingetui*
    "A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."
    <https://www.marticliment.com/wingetui/help/install/>
    <https://sourceforge.net/projects/wingetui.mirror/>
    <https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI>
    <https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases>
    <https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases/download/2.1.1/WingetUI.Installer.exe>
    Name: WingetUI.Installer.exe
    Size: 63997848 bytes (61 MiB)
    SHA256: 1EE9C17C2C8C1A16EC7F83DFF61CFCBA83A8F6164E0C6490D93042D76FFC73AA

    As always, this is presented to save others' time and effort,
    since they can now simply click on the URLs I've provided from T's information.

    The hope is that they will _add value_ to what T started,
    which is replacement apps for Sumo/Dumo in particular.
    --
    If one person does a chunk of the work, everyone benefits, which frees them
    to do the next chunk of work, where everyone benefits with each improvement.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 23:13:59 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 2023-10-25 03:43, T wrote:
    On 10/24/23 17:19, Wally J wrote:
    c. I then ensure that energy is archived in the permanent archives
    These permanent archives are available to _everyone_ on the planet.


    Hi Wally,

    Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?

    I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
    not archived anywhere.

    Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long as someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
    information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
    everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.

    Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
    future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.

    Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be nice.

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 15:56:26 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/27/23 01:17, T wrote:
    I am researching UCheck and VulnDetect.

    UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the
    SUMo has. And it seems to only catch "community"
    software. No "critical" detection. It is kind
    of a joke.

    VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
    it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
    to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
    it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.

    Neither one matches SUMo in capability. VulnDetect comes
    the closest with its ability to add software to the tests.
    Or you can request it. I do not know if you will get
    ghosted or not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Fri Oct 27 19:37:55 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?

    I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
    not archived anywhere.

    Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long as someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
    information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
    everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.

    Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
    future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.

    Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be nice.

    Carlos has written _zero_ tutorials and _zero_ tips like those from "T".
    In fact, Carlos will _never_ be able to write anything worth archiving.

    So be it.
    This message is simply to state that Carlos is dead wrong about archival.

    Not only is Carlos wrong, but it's highly likely Carlos has never heard of
    the Usenet archives we spoke about - so you can't trust his assessments.

    The fact is that it's trivial to figure out which newsgroups are
    automatically archived to a web-searchable format that everyone can access.

    In general, it's all the operating system newsgroups _except_ the Windows newsgroups we most often use (but it does include _other_ Windows
    newsgroups such as the alt.comp.microsoft.windows newsgroup).

    Hence, for those like "T" and I who add value which is useful to others in
    the future, it behooves us to add alt.comp.microsoft.windows to the list.

    The point which people like Carlos and Frank Slootweg will never be able to understand is that it's not added for our amusement or to troll - as that's
    how _they_ think - but not a normal adult who is attempting to add value.

    It's added so that it's archived in a place that is as permanent as any.
    It's added so that it's archived in a place that requires no login/passwd.
    It's added so that it's archived in a place that only needs a web browser.
    etc.

    Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos to
    ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people on
    this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival concepts.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Fri Oct 27 19:29:55 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the
    SUMo has. And it seems to only catch "community"
    software. No "critical" detection. It is kind
    of a joke.

    VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
    it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
    to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
    it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.

    Neither one matches SUMo in capability.

    I'm agreeing, from the little that I learned when I downloaded all the suggested packages that _none_ of them "replace" what SUMO/DUMO did.

    At least not the same way.

    Of the following suggested apps, you've tested some & I downloaded all. Alphabetically, here's a quick summary based on yours and my quicktests.


    1. *chocolatey* v2.2.2
    "Chocolatey is a package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
    Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

    2. *patchmypc*
    "Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"
    It covers "some" of what Sumo did but misses many apps too.

    3. *scoop*
    "Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."
    Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

    4. *ucheck*
    "Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:
    UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the SUMo has.
    And it seems to only catch "community" software.
    No "critical" detection. It is kind of a joke.

    5. *updatehub*
    "UpdateHub simplifies the software update process."
    Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

    6. *vulndetect*
    "An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"
    VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
    it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
    to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
    it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.

    7. *wingetui*
    "A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."
    Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

    I hope others pitch in so that we find a suitable alternative to the about-to-be-deprecated Sumo/Dumo software/driver update utilities.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 18:11:46 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/23/23 18:34, T wrote:
    On 10/23/23 17:59, VanguardLH wrote:
    As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.

    Me neither.

    I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
    not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
    no improvements".

    Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
    not been created ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Oct 28 07:12:20 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
    not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
    no improvements".

    Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
    not been created ...

    From another group...

    There is also the
    QuickInstaller
    https://www.quickinstaller.net/
    to check for program updates

    --
    Ninou
    Gratilog, le catalogue des logiciels gratuits
    http://www.gratilog.net/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Oct 28 04:46:32 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/28/23 04:12, Wally J wrote:
    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
    not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
    no improvements".

    Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
    not been created ...

    From another group...

    There is also the
    QuickInstaller
    https://www.quickinstaller.net/
    to check for program updates



    I looked at it. No table for easy viewing.
    And no criticals. It also only seemed to check
    public software.

    :'(

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Oct 28 15:42:04 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:

    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?

    I was under the impression that this newsgroup was not archived
    anywhere.

    Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long
    as someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
    information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
    everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.

    Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
    future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.

    Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be
    nice.

    Carlos has written _zero_ tutorials and _zero_ tips like those from "T".
    In fact, Carlos will _never_ be able to write anything worth archiving.

    So be it.
    This message is simply to state that Carlos is dead wrong about
    archival.

    Not only is Carlos wrong, but it's highly likely Carlos has never heard
    of the Usenet archives we spoke about - so you can't trust his
    assessments.

    The fact is that it's trivial to figure out which newsgroups are automatically archived to a web-searchable format that everyone can
    access.

    In general, it's all the operating system newsgroups _except_ the
    Windows newsgroups we most often use (but it does include _other_
    Windows newsgroups such as the alt.comp.microsoft.windows newsgroup).

    Hence, for those like "T" and I who add value which is useful to others
    in the future, it behooves us to add alt.comp.microsoft.windows to the
    list.

    The point which people like Carlos and Frank Slootweg will never be able
    to understand is that it's not added for our amusement or to troll - as that's how _they_ think - but not a normal adult who is attempting to
    add value.

    It's added so that it's archived in a place that is as permanent as any.
    It's added so that it's archived in a place that requires no
    login/passwd. It's added so that it's archived in a place that only
    needs a web browser. etc.

    Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
    to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
    on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
    concepts.

    This is "Arlen", right?

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  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to mechanic on Sat Oct 28 19:42:43 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 2023-10-28 17:42, mechanic wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:

    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    ...

    Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
    to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
    on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
    concepts.

    This is "Arlen", right?

    Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Sat Oct 28 19:16:43 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 17:42, mechanic wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:

    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    ...

    Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
    to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
    on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
    concepts.

    This is "Arlen", right?

    Is the pope catholic?

    Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

    And I even didn't post in this thread, but still he felt the need to
    'praise' me. It boggles the mind.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Oct 28 18:02:19 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

    There is also the
    QuickInstaller
    https://www.quickinstaller.net/
    to check for program updates


    I looked at it. No table for easy viewing.
    And no criticals. It also only seemed to check
    public software.

    Thanks for taking a look at it, and even more so for testing it, and then
    for reporting back on it so that everyone benefits from the teamwork.

    I don't have time to annotate this quick test as I only spent a few minutes testing it (as I do for almost all suggested programs on this newsgroup).

    Since I couldn't spend a lot of time testing it, I snapped these for people. (I'm not sure why you say there isn't a table though, as it looks tabular.)

    It can add to its database also so I'm not sure what you mean by "Public" software - where it seems to have checked scores of my installed programs.

    And I'm not sure what you mean by "cricitals" as QuickInstaller did tell
    me which programs were "major updates" versus "minor updates" in the table.

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding though, as I repeat I only spent a few minutes.
    Here are the screenshots to save others that time and effort though
    (which is the whole point of these purposefully helpful discussions
    as each of us pitches in to help the next guy like a domino effect).

    <https://i.postimg.cc/Kj0PDmSJ/quickinstaller01.jpg> QuickInstaller summary
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TYYMd0k6/quickinstaller18.jpg> QuickInstaller settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RFzLMPLQ/quickinstaller03.jpg> Avail. Maintenance
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HkRtNWJN/quickinstaller05.jpg> Avail. File Archivers
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HkqQ2SRD/quickinstaller06.jpg> Avail. Utilities
    <https://i.postimg.cc/L43NsM7q/quickinstaller07.jpg> Updates Available
    <https://i.postimg.cc/XvBsNBS3/quickinstaller09.jpg> Major/Minor Updates
    <https://i.postimg.cc/WbtgPLPc/quickinstaller10.jpg> Update Pale Moon
    <https://i.postimg.cc/vZNPdLK3/quickinstaller11.jpg> Update KC Softwares DUMO
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JzkXGNnT/quickinstaller12.jpg> Nice updating progress
    <https://i.postimg.cc/gjHSF99Z/quickinstaller13.jpg> Nice progress indicator
    <https://i.postimg.cc/65RRQVTM/quickinstaller14.jpg> Nice progress status
    <https://i.postimg.cc/mZCKNqnR/quickinstaller15.jpg> Submit NitroShare db
    <https://i.postimg.cc/1RVVW00y/quickinstaller16.jpg> Update NitroShare db
    <https://i.postimg.cc/bJ2W5FNx/quickinstaller17.jpg> Export to Excel csv
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BbnD6RLD/quickinstaller08.jpg> Portable Programs
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Dz0trw9Y/quickinstaller19.jpg> Uninstall QuickInstaller
    <https://i.postimg.cc/x1JvLrs3/quickinstaller04.jpg> QuickInstaller Uninstall
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yYNXY3c5/quickinstaller02.jpg> Uninstalled leftovers

    It's a beta version according to the author; so we should expect problems.
    (QuickInstaller Preview version 0.2.8701.11900)

    <https://www.quickinstaller.net/>
    <https://app.quickinstaller.net/downloads/QuickInstallerSetup.exe>
    Name: QuickInstallerSetup.exe
    Size: 13473669 bytes (12 MiB)
    SHA256: 558FB86BC006E0C720C728DCF8BF77407A839BDDBB1EF9836EA9E493F2F8D3B5

    It wants to go into C:\Program Files\QuickInstaller
    I put it where it belongs C:\app\cleaner\updater\quickinstaller

    It created a QuickInstaller.link desktop shortcut with the target
    C:\Windows\System32\schtasks.exe /run /TN "QuickInstaller\QuickInstaller SkipUAC"

    Setup
    Microsoft.NET Windows Desktop Runtime 7.0 is required to
    install QuickInstaller. Do you want to download and install
    Microsoft Windows Desktop 7.0 as part of this installation?

    KC Softwares Startup Sentinel immediately detected suspicious activity:
    New entry detected!
    Type: HKLM64:RunOnce
    Name: {db33e419-1b78-40cf-bac2-d2b83f6e37b2}
    Command: "C:\ProgramData\Package Cache\{db33e419-1b78-40cf-bac2-d2b83f6e37b2}\windowsdesktop-runtime-7.0.12-win-x64.exe" /burn.runonce"
    [Add to Whitelist][Add to Blacklist][Remove]

    I wasn't sure _what_ to do with that - what would _you_ do about it?
    <https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/c-programdata-package-cache.3581392/>
    <https://superuser.com/questions/455853/can-i-delete-the-folder-c-programdata-package-cache>

    I only spent five minutes testing this program, where I liked that it
    separates installed programs from portable programs, which I think
    "Win+I > Apps" misses.

    However... don't be fooled... apparently the portable program checks
    don't work (I think I saw somewhere this is a brand new beta product).
    152 Programs installed
    16 Major updates available
    26 Minor updates available
    17/59 Up-to-date
    0 Portable programs found <=== this is wrong but maybe it's user error

    You can sort by the following - which is useful when submitting programs.
    (o) All
    (_) Available Updates
    (_) Up-to-Date
    (_) Submitted
    (_) Not Submitted

    Speaking of sorting, you can export your selections to a csv file too.

    As a test, I selected "Pale Moon" & "KC Softwares Dumo" to update.
    The graphics were beautiful, changing colors for the various stages.

    The Dumo updated to green but the Pale Moon had some kind of issue saying
    "Update completed but not up to date 29.4.2.1 vs 32.4.1."
    "Try restarting QuickInstaller or Windows to update version."

    It also has an "Uninstall" button & a "Submit" button where I tested both.

    I like that it organized all my Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable's,
    as I only install them when I have to so I have no idea which are there.

    I also like that it organizes 682 apps by "what they do" (not brand names!) which is how I organize all my phones, tablets and desktop installers too.
    C:\apps\{archivers,browsers,cleaners,databases,editors,finances,games,etc.}
    Note: I don't use plurals but I added them here for readability.

    Most people (and most programmers!) organize by the brand name, which I consider just about the most idiotic way to organize a program hierarchy.

    The QuickInstaller program organizes apps by functionality (and it gives
    you the option of installing them if they're not already installed).
    Maintenance
    Media
    Media Tools
    Tune-up
    Internet
    Internet Browsers
    Graphics
    Security
    File Archivers
    File Tools
    Sharing
    Productivity
    Utilities
    Hardware
    Documents
    Messaging
    Gaming
    Miscellaneous
    Development
    Runtime
    Redistributable

    Note: I don't use cop-outs such as "system" or "utilities" or "misc",
    since pretty much every app fits into those useless catch-alls.

    It has the ability to create a restore point before doing anything,
    and a bunch of other options such as not deleting the downloaded installers.

    It starts with Windows by default (which you might want to change),
    and I noticed belatedly it doesn't scan for portable programs by default.

    It crashed once though with an error of "Critical: An unhandled exception
    has occurred in the application: (15,8):UserId:" and it wouldn't restart.

    So I booted my PC (which allowed that autostart registry entry to activate). But even then QuickInstaller wouldn't restart on the rebooted setup.

    So I uninstalled it - where my assessment is that I like what it purports
    to do, but it's probably still a bit too much in the beta stage for me.

    RevoUninstaller and Advanced Uninstaller found leftover registry entries
    and files (about a dozen or so for each uninstaller) which I wiped out.

    Example of a leftover registry entry was...
    HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Schedule\TaskCache\Tree\QuickInstaller\QuickInstaller AutoStart
    Example of a leftover file was...
    C:\users\username\AppData\Local\Hans_Christian_Ihlen-Abel\QuickInstaller_URL_...

    Particularly since I don't bother updating apps unless I know there is something in the updated version which rarely happens for me nowadays.

    I usually write up a step-by-step tutorial for how to use almost every
    program but I'm writing up a tutorial for how to set up Telegram on the
    PC without creating an account on your mobile so I only wrote up this log.

    BTW, I only have 154 programs installed (while on Android I have over 700).
    I'm curious how many you have installed on your Windows desktop PC.

    Overall, I think it's a nice program. Very nice. Except it crashed
    and wouldn't restart - so it simply has teething pains in the beta.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Oct 29 10:58:10 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
    <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

    Termination notice
    KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
    All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
    Sales are stopped.


    Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From T@21:1/5 to wasbit on Sun Oct 29 04:07:01 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/29/23 03:58, wasbit wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
    notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
        <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

        Termination notice
        KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023. >>     All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October
    31st 2023.
        Sales are stopped.


    Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09


    Do you have a favorite replacement for SUMo?

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Oct 29 03:26:39 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 10/28/23 15:02, Wally J wrote:
    I'm curious how many you have installed on your Windows desktop PC.


    I have never checked. It try to keep it to a minimum though.
    My system is a Fedora server with multiple qemu-kvm virtual
    machines (VM's) to help me assist customers with their issues.
    Of the Windows VM's, I have XP, W7, W10, and W11 currently setup.
    Nine VM's in total.

    I had Vista and 8 at one time, but don't get enough
    call for them now to care. Two versions of XP, but
    I pruned it to one. Believe it or not, I still have
    some customers using XP.

    The best SUMo sub I found so far is the VulnDetect.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to wasbit on Sun Oct 29 14:51:40 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote

    Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

    Hi wasbit,

    Thanks for pointing that out as others may not know about a.c.f on here.
    <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>

    I found your thread where I'd recommend adding the "SUMO or DUMO" keywords
    to the title because a search for either in the title or body fails unless
    you know to either use the name of the program or no spaces in the apps.
    *KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

    Unfortunately, the words " SUMO " or " DUMO " don't even exist in that
    thread (with spaces delineating the word) so it would be hard to find them unless you knew they were surrounded by ";" as in ";SUMO;" & ";DUMO;"
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/m/--mmTcf4AwAJ>

    Since you're a freeware expert, you probably associate sumo & dumo with kcsoftwares, but others might not so it needed sumo or dumo in the subject.

    In my archives, for example, they're not listed under kcsoftwares but as
    c:\archives\cleaners\updaters\drivers\dumo
    c:\archivers\cleaners\updaters\software\sumo
    (Note: I don't use plurals but I do here for readability).

    I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
    Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
    and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into appropriate functional categories).

    Normally, for suites, if I find the entire suite useful (e.g., nirsoft),
    then I actually save them twice. Once under "suites" and the other I
    disperse them into where they belong, which itself can have duplicates.
    c:\archivers\hardware\bsod\WhatIsHang for example

    When you do that, you just copy your WinXP start menu folder to
    Window7 and then 8 and then Vista and then 10, etc., to access apps.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/X7f8sBbF/whatishang01.jpg> WinXP menu on Win10

    In summary, we both worked together where you informed one community
    (freeware folks) while I informed the Windows and hardware folks too.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.
    It's a domino effect where each of us helps the next person in the lineup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Oct 29 15:29:59 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

    I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
    Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into appropriate functional categories).

    Just after I mentioned it's hard to organize 'suites' of tools,
    wasbit kindly posted a helpful hint for organizing the major geeks suite!


    wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote

    There is also the
    QuickInstaller
    https://www.quickinstaller.net/
    to check for program updates

    Or even Major Geeks Software Updater for Windows 7-11

    - http://www.majorgeeks.com/MajorGeeks_Software_Updater_d8044.html

    To help others (so that they can start where the previous people left off), here is a screenshot of what you see when you install that majorgeeks app.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/0yJwS5WY/majorgeeks01.jpg>

    I thank Ninou for bringing up QuickInstaller, which I only tested for a few minutes but I found the preview version rather interesting in potential.

    On my system it came up with an error but it worked to install the two apps that I had tested, and it worked to uninstall the one app I had tested.

    It also told me in tabular form which apps needed major & minor updates,
    but when I tried to re-run QuickInstaller, it wouldn't start - even after a reboot and even after deleting it and then rebooting, it wouldn't start
    after a reinstallation. My assessment is it has potential but it's too
    early to use it fruitfully yet.

    I also thank wasbit who seems to be the first person who noticed that Sumo
    & Dumo (among others) from KCSoftwares was going to go away, as shown here.
    *KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

    I had not seen that, nor would I have understood it as I don't associate Sumo/Dumo with the company that makes it but I ask wasbit how he knew?

    How did you know about that going-out-of-business action so early?
    (I only found out when I went purposefully to the site to help someone.)

    Moving forward, let's add this the updater wasbit suggested to the mix.
    *MajorGeeks News and Software Updater 4.0.0*
    <https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/majorgeeks_software_updater.html>
    "MajorGeeks News and Software Updater is a portable app that can show you
    all of the latest news and downloads on MajorGeeks.Com from your desktop."

    "The Update function sits in your systray (next to your clock)
    and can notify you of any new files or articles on MajorGeeks.com
    without searching the site."
    <https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/majorgeeks_software_updater,1.html>
    <https://www.majorgeeks.com/index.php?ct=files&action=download&>
    <https://files1.majorgeeks.com/10afebdbffcd4742c81a3cb0f6ce4092156b4375/office/MajorGeeks_Software_Updates_and_News.zip>
    Name: MajorGeeks_Software_Updates_and_News.zip
    Size: 422116 bytes (412 KiB)
    SHA256: BBD40177652CDDA5CD6DA3C3A19029F4667CDD949DC10F8441958887B7EB320C

    Extracting the zip file reveals it contains only a single portable executable.
    Name: MajorGeeks Software Updates and News.exe
    Size: 1058816 bytes (1034 KiB)
    SHA256: 921F125D9B9BB68A8C373E0BEC87E6BE2DB3241DF920513596D431D589DAC747

    Placing it where it belongs so that it can be found sans needing to search:
    Archived: C:\archives\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
    Installed: C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
    Menus: C:\menus\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
    Data: C:\data\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.

    First impressions:
    I like that it has a calendar showing the progression of their news & apps.
    And that it has a one-liner of what the programs purport to do for you.
    They show a checkmark whether it works on Windows, Linux, Android & Apple.
    And they show the latest version (but I couldn't get it to update anything).

    First impression screenshot:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/0yJwS5WY/majorgeeks01.jpg>
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.
    It's a domino effect where each of us helps the next person in the lineup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Oct 29 18:48:18 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

    Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

    And I even didn't post in this thread, but still he felt the need to 'praise' me. It boggles the mind.

    Having graduated from the finest schools in the country, and having worked
    in the toughest Silicon Valley startups for decades, I must admit I don't
    know how to handle people with incredibly low IQs like Frank, Carlos & Zag.

    How do you work with people who are _that_ incredibly stupid? I don't know.
    They provide zero value.
    Every post from them _subtracts_ value.
    They gleefully proclaim they finally figured out what was never hidden

    I ask the _adults_ on this newsgroup what topical value did they provide?
    Q: What topical value did Frank Slootweg provide on this thread?
    A: From Zero to Negative.

    Q: What topical value did Zagheda provide on this thread?
    A: From Zero to Negative.

    Q: What topical value did Carlos provide on this thread?
    A: From Zero to Negative.

    Jesus Christ. Every post from them is *purposefully unhelpful*.
    They are unprepossessing worthless human beings.

    Devoid of any purposefully helpful intent.
    Devoid of any knowledge.
    Devoid of any value.

    I always find it sadly indicative of their fantastically low IQs (Frank,
    Carlos & Zag) when these three morons gleefully exclaim they're utter
    geniuses for figuring out what isn't even hidden & what was never hidden.

    Hell, in this very thread are posted screenshots like this, you morons.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg> Privacy shortcuts

    And yet, even after _hundreds_ upon hundreds of those obvious screenshots,
    you _still_ find the necessity to prove you're a moron by exclaiming so gleefully that you finally, after thousands of similar posts, figured out
    what isn't hidden?

    What is nice about Usenet is you find people who are intelligent.
    But what's sad about Usenet is people like Frank, Carlos & Zag exist.

    They contribute nothing of value.
    Yet they think they're geniuses for figuring out the wrapping paper.

    The fact is these morons finally figured out what was never hidden.
    Given in this very thread I posted my unique screenshots like these:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Kj0PDmSJ/quickinstaller01.jpg> QI Test summary
    etc.

    If you ever ask me how I know these morons have a low IQ, it's not so much
    that they have no clue how header privacy works - nor that they have no
    idea that the value of a gift isn't in the header wrapping paper...

    But that they're so far to the left of the first quartile separator in the Dunning-Kruger study results that they gleefully proclaim how smart they
    are when they finally (after thousands of posts!) figure out what was never hidden in the first place.
    --
    PS: Morons bother me... I've never met, in the flesh, people that stupid.
    I admit openly so that I have no tools to handle people _that_ stupid.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 30 10:27:15 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 29/10/2023 11:07, T wrote:
    On 10/29/23 03:58, wasbit wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
    I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
    to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into
    this
    notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days... >>>     <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

        Termination notice
        KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023. >>>     All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October >>> 31st 2023.
        Sales are stopped.


    Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09


    Do you have a favorite replacement for SUMo?

    Snappy Driver Installer Origin
    For missing drivers or driver updates.
    Especially good for after an install of Windows where you don't have the motherboard driver CD.
    - https://www.glenn.delahoy.com/snappy-driver-installer-origin/

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 30 10:42:22 2023
    XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.freeware

    On 29/10/2023 18:51, Wally J wrote:
    wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote

    Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

    Hi wasbit,

    Thanks for pointing that out as others may not know about a.c.f on here.
    <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>

    I found your thread where I'd recommend adding the "SUMO or DUMO" keywords
    to the title because a search for either in the title or body fails unless you know to either use the name of the program or no spaces in the apps.
    *KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

    Unfortunately, the words " SUMO " or " DUMO " don't even exist in that
    thread (with spaces delineating the word) so it would be hard to find them unless you knew they were surrounded by ";" as in ";SUMO;" & ";DUMO;"
    <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/m/--mmTcf4AwAJ>

    That's because you have focused on just those two programmes out of the
    list.

    Since you're a freeware expert, you probably associate sumo & dumo with kcsoftwares, but others might not so it needed sumo or dumo in the subject.

    I really am no expert, just a bod with a little knowledge.

    In my archives, for example, they're not listed under kcsoftwares but as
    c:\archives\cleaners\updaters\drivers\dumo
    c:\archivers\cleaners\updaters\software\sumo
    (Note: I don't use plurals but I do here for readability).

    I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
    Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into appropriate functional categories).

    Normally, for suites, if I find the entire suite useful (e.g., nirsoft),
    then I actually save them twice. Once under "suites" and the other I
    disperse them into where they belong, which itself can have duplicates.
    c:\archivers\hardware\bsod\WhatIsHang for example

    When you do that, you just copy your WinXP start menu folder to
    Window7 and then 8 and then Vista and then 10, etc., to access apps.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/X7f8sBbF/whatishang01.jpg> WinXP menu on Win10

    In summary, we both worked together where you informed one community (freeware folks) while I informed the Windows and hardware folks too.


    Windows System Control Centre (WSCC)

    Contains the complete suites of tools from:

    Sysinternals (Mark Russinovich/Bryce Cogswell now Microsoft),
    Nirsoft (Nir Sofer)
    Mitec (Michal Mutl)
    plus a few more individual offerings.

    Nir Sofer (http://www.nirsoft.net)
    Gibson Research Corporation (http://www.grc.com)
    Krzysztof Kowalczyk (http://www.kowalczyk.info)
    Simon Tatham (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham)
    David Carpenter (https://voidtools.com)
    Pete Batard (https://pete.akeo.ie/)
    Michal Mutl (http://mitec.cz)

    - http://www.kls-soft.com/wscc

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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