Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
On 10/11/23 05:53 PM, this is what Kenny McCormack wrote:
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is >> totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about >> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that >> has now come to pass.Once you get 115 removed and an older version installed, note that you should not have your wi-fi turned on. The new 'old' version may try to update.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
https://winaero.com/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/ explains in the 'alternate way' how to create a policies.json file in the program folder to stop TB Updates.
PS. Windows update did not update thunderbird.
On 10/11/2023 8:07 PM, Big Al wrote:Very nice Paul. Thanks.
On 10/11/23 05:53 PM, this is what Kenny McCormack wrote:
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is >>> totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about >>> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that >>> has now come to pass.Once you get 115 removed and an older version installed, note that you should not have your wi-fi turned on. The new 'old' version may try to update.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
https://winaero.com/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/ explains in the 'alternate way' how to create a policies.json file in the program folder to stop TB Updates.
PS. Windows update did not update thunderbird.
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https://i.postimg.cc/cL7jpY0b/install-policies-json-before-first-start.gif
*******
bullwinkle@MINTBOX:~$ cat /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/policies.json
{
"policies":
{
"DisableAppUpdate": true
}
}
In a Mozilla tool, do "about:policies" to see what policies are loaded.
The alternative is to use Help:About to get the information.
For Windows versions, it would go here. I would test the technique in
Firefox first, as the about:policies is easy to get to there. With Thunderbird, they don't want us using the browser section.
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\distribution\policies.json
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\distribution\policies.json
Change "Mozilla Firefox" to "Mozilla Thunderbird", as needed, to
fit policies.json to one of their products.
I recommend installing policies.json , right after you run the install
and have unticked the "start right away and screw with me" tick box.
It's best if the program doesn't get to run, until you get your
policies.json fitted. The upgrade install will blow away the last policies.json
you installed -- it does not migrate them.
You will need Administrator permission (a UAC equipped user), to mkdir
the "distribution" folder and copy policies.json into it. It's quite possible, given the Program Files folder is actually owned by TrustedInstaller,
that the file is "not really" stored in that folder. The real storage location
is elsewhere (nfi.exe might discover where it is, or Agent Ransack).
Microsoft does not want us copying shit into Program Files, neither
do they like it if a pinball game stores the High Score file in
the Program Files :-) That's why they invented their indirection
technique.
Paul
"?? Mighty Wannabe ?" <@.> wrote
| I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
| compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
| before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
| always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
| existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
| you have done that.
|
Every version of TBird and FF ever released is
available at archive.mozilla.org, FTP-style. Just
uninstall and reinstall. The setting and email are
all in your App Data folder.
| The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version.
You don't HAVE TO adapt, just as you don't have
to adapt to using a slot screwdriver as a phillips.
Just get the right tool. Though in some cases that's
more trouble than in others. But with software, options
are part of the point. A lot of things in TBird can
be customized. There are also extensions, like in FF.
I have two installed. One allows me to arrange email folders
as I like. The other provides a Message Pane button
above message windows, so that I can toggle the email
view open or closed and never open things I don't want
to read.
The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is >totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that >has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashy
show over usefulness).
One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
On 10/12/23 08:20 AM, this is what Newyana2 wrote:
"?? Mighty Wannabe ?" <@.> wroteI like the message pane toggle idea. TB 115 now allows you to rearrange
| I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
| compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
| before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
| always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
| existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
| you have done that.
|
Every version of TBird and FF ever released is
available at archive.mozilla.org, FTP-style. Just
uninstall and reinstall. The setting and email are
all in your App Data folder.
| The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version.
You don't HAVE TO adapt, just as you don't have
to adapt to using a slot screwdriver as a phillips.
Just get the right tool. Though in some cases that's
more trouble than in others. But with software, options
are part of the point. A lot of things in TBird can
be customized. There are also extensions, like in FF.
I have two installed. One allows me to arrange email folders
as I like. The other provides a Message Pane button
above message windows, so that I can toggle the email
view open or closed and never open things I don't want
to read.
the order of mail and news servers and local folders in the folder
pane. It's kinda hidden but you move them in the account settings tab.
I'm sure the latest 115 will be improved more and more as complaints hit
the list. Remember, we're beta testers.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 01:39:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:
The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.
+1. This ^
I've been following the progress of Supernova and the big problem is that it's a huge departure from previous versions.
The first thing that happens when you upgrade is your configuration in
the previous version carries over and proceeds to look like complete dog shit. You try to use the dog shit and get shit on. So I can understand
the reactions.
I can help anyone here set it up.
On 2023-10-12 17:35, Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 01:39:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:
The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.
+1. This ^
I've been following the progress of Supernova and the big problem is that
it's a huge departure from previous versions.
The first thing that happens when you upgrade is your configuration in
the previous version carries over and proceeds to look like complete dog
shit. You try to use the dog shit and get shit on. So I can understand
the reactions.
I can help anyone here set it up.
Let's try if you know this one. :-)
I have three panes: folders in a tall and narrow pane on the left, list
of mails or news at the top pane, one mail below.
Focus on top pane. I hit "N", the next mail displays in the bottom pane,
but on the top pane the focus has gone out of sight, so some line out of >sight beneath its bottom. I have to move the slider in the top pane with
the mouse to find the slightly highlighted mail in the list.
I can post photos if it is not clear enough.
In case it matters, I'm not using windows.
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:16:46 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashyOkay, so that's an easy one to fix. On the folderpane, you should have a header that has a picture of a cloud with an down arrow, a "+ New
show over usefulness).
One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
Message" button, and three dots.
Click on the three dots, check off show total message count.
Voila! Numbers.
If you *don't* have the folderpane header, this is where the new
version's UI is kinda all over the place.
Go to the hamburger menu on the right. View -> Folders, check "Folder
Pane Header."
Then proceed with the first instructions. Most of the important settings
are right in the hamburger menu and, more importantly, for some reason
aren't revealed on the settings page. So play with every option and familiarize yourself with them.
Big departure. It looks like they're trying to deprecate the settings
page in favor of a nested menu.
Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:16:46 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashyOkay, so that's an easy one to fix. On the folderpane, you should have a
show over usefulness).
One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
header that has a picture of a cloud with an down arrow, a "+ New
Message" button, and three dots.
Click on the three dots, check off show total message count.
Voila! Numbers.
If you *don't* have the folderpane header, this is where the new
version's UI is kinda all over the place.
Go to the hamburger menu on the right. View -> Folders, check "Folder
Pane Header."
Then proceed with the first instructions. Most of the important settings
are right in the hamburger menu and, more importantly, for some reason
aren't revealed on the settings page. So play with every option and
familiarize yourself with them.
Big departure. It looks like they're trying to deprecate the settings
page in favor of a nested menu.
Where the dickens is that "folderpane"?
I can only get an outbox folder with an arrow pointing NE, and an icon
that looks like the dashboard of a Fiat 500.
No sign of a cloud and a down arrow.
My layout:
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
Folder Pane on the left immediately to the right of the "spaces" bar.
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling
a "spaces bar"?
Do you speak English?
I feel the Folder Pane is pretty much necessary in 115, as it has the download new mail and new message buttons on it, and I think the best
way to configure the UI is to kill the toolbar.
Where the dickens is that "folderpane"?
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
Ed Cryer wrote:
Where the dickens is that "folderpane"?
there are some non-intuitive GUI options (where you need one thing
enabled, in order to enable another thing)
try these ...
view/folders/folder pane header
view/layout/message list header
but generally just tinker in all the menu options under view
Zaghadka wrote:
I feel the Folder Pane is pretty much necessary in 115, as it has the
download new mail and new message buttons on it, and I think the best
way to configure the UI is to kill the toolbar.
As we're seeing, opinions vary, and TB lets people choose.
I never liked the reply/forward/delete buttons in the message header
toolbar that got added years ago, so I turn the message pane header
toolbar off, and use the main program toolbar (repositioned below the
menu bar)
therefore I see no need for the get mail and new message buttons at the
top of the folder pane, so I turn off the folder pane header, and turn
off the message list header too, cleaner in my opinion.
Zaghadka wrote:^^^^
My layout:
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
Folder Pane on the left immediately to the right of the "spaces" bar.
I got it to show by enabling "Show total message count"; but at the cost
of every folder displaying the same, and no compact view available.
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling
a "spaces bar"?
Do you speak English?
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
Ed Cryer wrote:
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling
a "spaces bar"?
The spaces toolbar is viewed by clicking the "-->|" icon, either in the
very bottom left of status bar, or in the first icon of the main toolbar
(but I've disabled just that icon via CSS as it's superfluous)
Do you speak English?
It's not entirely clear to people what the proper names of all the
screen areas within TB actually are ... someone might produce an
annotated screenshot?
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it looks like..
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue. Like this message. It's way too far down the list
to get to the header, as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I can get to the message only
by hitting 'next unread' and the next message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list and I can't
scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who you replied to, even though I can deduce that from the
preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue works, maybe it's his too.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:15:15 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
Zaghadka wrote:^^^^
My layout:
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
Folder Pane on the left immediately to the right of the "spaces" bar.
I got it to show by enabling "Show total message count"; but at the cost
of every folder displaying the same, and no compact view available.
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling
a "spaces bar"?
Do you speak English?
Okay, that's your first smart-ass comment. I'm laughing rn. One more and
I'm bailing, though. You can help yourself to all the abuse you can dish
out, but I'm not sitting around to watch.
The three lines in the upper right of the window next to the "close, minimize, restore" buttons is commonly referred to as the "hamburger
menu." They moved it to a very weird place on the UI this time. Though
you might not have heard of this term, this is not an uncommon way to
refer to it. It is, I assure you, English.
That's what I mean by hamburger menu. It doesn't have Big Macs and
Quarter Pounders on it; sorry bout that.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:21:05 -0400, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:Exactly. On the layout menu, that's called the "Classic View." I don't
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it looks like..
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
like the name. It's like they're calling it the "old-timey" view.
It's a perfectly workable interface that way.
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue. Like this message. It's way too far down the list
to get to the header, as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I can get to the message only
by hitting 'next unread' and the next message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list and I can't
scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who you replied to, even though I can deduce that from the
preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue works, maybe it's his too.
Yeah. This may be a Linux thing. It may be distro specific, as various desktop environments use different UI libraries. Is yours KDE? It's been
a long time since I've mucked around in Debian or Red Hat.
If you can't get nightly or beta from your repo and try a fresh setup to test, it might be time to hit Bugzilla. They will probably ask you to try
a fresh setup and test, though. ;^)
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
looks like..
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue.
Like this message. It's way too far down the list to get to the header,
as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I
can get to the message only by hitting 'next unread' and the next
message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list and I
can't scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who
you replied to, even though I can deduce that from the preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue
works, maybe it's his too.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:21:05 -0400, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:Exactly. On the layout menu, that's called the "Classic View." I don't
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it looks like..
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
like the name. It's like they're calling it the "old-timey" view.
It's a perfectly workable interface that way.
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue. Like this message. It's way too far down the list
to get to the header, as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I can get to the message only
by hitting 'next unread' and the next message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list and I can't
scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who you replied to, even though I can deduce that from the
preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue works, maybe it's his too.
Yeah. This may be a Linux thing. It may be distro specific, as various desktop environments use different UI libraries. Is yours KDE? It's been
a long time since I've mucked around in Debian or Red Hat.
If you can't get nightly or beta from your repo and try a fresh setup to test, it might be time to hit Bugzilla. They will probably ask you to try
a fresh setup and test, though. ;^)
On 10/12/23 04:39 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:I've reported it. If they know and it will be fixed in version 128,000 then I'll get the update one day. I can live
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:21:05 -0400, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:I've seen reference to card view, but for the life of me I can't find it on a menu. Where is it, I'd like to try it?
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:Exactly. On the layout menu, that's called the "Classic View." I don't
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it looks like..
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
like the name. It's like they're calling it the "old-timey" view.
It's a perfectly workable interface that way.
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue. Like this message. It's way too far down the list
to get to the header, as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I can get to the message only
by hitting 'next unread' and the next message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list and I can't
scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who you replied to, even though I can deduce that from the
preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue works, maybe it's his too.
Yeah. This may be a Linux thing. It may be distro specific, as various
desktop environments use different UI libraries. Is yours KDE? It's been
a long time since I've mucked around in Debian or Red Hat.
If you can't get nightly or beta from your repo and try a fresh setup to
test, it might be time to hit Bugzilla. They will probably ask you to try
a fresh setup and test, though. ;^)
On 2023-10-12 22:21, Big Al wrote:
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it looks like..
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
Yes, that's what I have, in other colours.
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue. Like this message. It's way too far down the
list to get to the header, as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I can get to the
message only by hitting 'next unread' and the next message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list
and I can't scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who you replied to, even though I can deduce
that from the preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue works, maybe it's his too.
Yes, or at least very related.
Look at these two photos. The focus is at the message window pane, bottom right.
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/ae502b54b480
Then I press "N", and I get this:
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/8393baa63572
Notice that the message window displays your post to which I'm replying now, because that was the next unread message,
but that message line is not displayed at the top pane, it is somewhat down, not visible. The highlight has gone out of
sight.
Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that has now come to pass.
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
Look at these two photos. The focus is at the message window pane,
bottom right.
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/ae502b54b480
Then I press "N", and I get this:
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/8393baa63572
Notice that the message window displays your post to which I'm replying
now, because that was the next unread message, but that message line is
not displayed at the top pane, it is somewhat down, not visible. The highlight has gone out of sight.
I've seen reference to card view, but for the life of me I can't find it
on a menu. Where is it, I'd like to try it?
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Look at these two photos. The focus is at the message window pane,
bottom right.
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/ae502b54b480
Then I press "N", and I get this:
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/8393baa63572
Notice that the message window displays your post to which I'm
replying now, because that was the next unread message, but that
message line is not displayed at the top pane, it is somewhat down,
not visible. The highlight has gone out of sight.
I used to get bad scrolling in v115.0, but it was fixed pretty quickly,
it had some interaction with the smooth scrolling option, does that
alter anything for you?
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:30:47 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling >>> a "spaces bar"?
The spaces toolbar is viewed by clicking the "-->|" icon, either in the
very bottom left of status bar, or in the first icon of the main toolbar
(but I've disabled just that icon via CSS as it's superfluous)
Do you speak English?
It's not entirely clear to people what the proper names of all the
screen areas within TB actually are ... someone might produce an
annotated screenshot?
Good idea. Problem is, everyone has a different setup because the program
is so customizable. So I could annotate my setup, and another user could
have several of the elements missing or very different.
I can mark up my screenshot though if you think it would help.
On 2023-10-13 09:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Look at these two photos. The focus is at the message window pane,
bottom right.
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/ae502b54b480
Then I press "N", and I get this:
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/8393baa63572
Notice that the message window displays your post to which I'm
replying now, because that was the next unread message, but that
message line is not displayed at the top pane, it is somewhat down,
not visible. The highlight has gone out of sight.
I used to get bad scrolling in v115.0, but it was fixed pretty
quickly, it had some interaction with the smooth scrolling option,
does that alter anything for you?
I just tried; no effect. I'll leave it disabled for a while to test it.
I also just ticked "use autoscrolling". I don't know what it does, but doesn't help with this problem.
Big Al wrote:Wow, talk about hidden. I had that turned off for more space. THanks. now I can follow along with you guys.
I've seen reference to card view, but for the life of me I can't find it on a menu. Where is it, I'd like to try it?
to switch between table view and cards view, you first have to ensure you have enabled view/layout/message list header
then you should have a display options icon at the extreme right (looks a bit like a cine film frame)
Ah. One trick to find the message is hitting "M" (to mark it as new
again") then "B" to go back one message, then move the message list well
past the assumed position of the message. Down, that is. Then hit "N".
The list then moves automatically up and positions itself correctly.
It can go up automatically, just not down.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ah. One trick to find the message is hitting "M" (to mark it as new
again") then "B" to go back one message, then move the message list
well past the assumed position of the message. Down, that is. Then hit
"N". The list then moves automatically up and positions itself correctly.
It can go up automatically, just not down.
What are you sorted by, and ascending or descending?
I generally pick "order received" but it randomly selects other orders :-(
Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:30:47 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling >>>> a "spaces bar"?
The spaces toolbar is viewed by clicking the "-->|" icon, either in the
very bottom left of status bar, or in the first icon of the main toolbar >>> (but I've disabled just that icon via CSS as it's superfluous)
Do you speak English?
It's not entirely clear to people what the proper names of all the
screen areas within TB actually are ... someone might produce an
annotated screenshot?
Good idea. Problem is, everyone has a different setup because the program
is so customizable. So I could annotate my setup, and another user could
have several of the elements missing or very different.
I can mark up my screenshot though if you think it would help.
I'd appreciate knowing how to show number of items in outbox without
having to tick total message count, which shows for all folders.
I'd appreciate knowing how to show number of items in outbox without
having to tick total message count, which shows for all folders.
On 10/12/23 04:39 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:21:05 -0400, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:I've seen reference to card view, but for the life of me I can't find it on a menu. Where is it, I'd like to try it?
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:Exactly. On the layout menu, that's called the "Classic View." I don't
For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.You have the horizontal arrangement and cards at least that's what it looks like..
https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
This is my tb. https://i.postimg.cc/137NRshp/TB115.png
like the name. It's like they're calling it the "old-timey" view.
It's a perfectly workable interface that way.
Carlos may have this same arrangement. I think it's the default.
With that arrangement I too have the same jumping out of sight issue. Like this message. It's way too far down the list
to get to the header, as you scroll down, at some point the list starts jumping back up. I can get to the message only
by hitting 'next unread' and the next message shows in the preview pane, but the header is off the list and I can't
scroll down in the headers to see it. And worse, I don't see who you replied to, even though I can deduce that from the
preview pane.
I'm not trying to put words in Carlos' mouth. This is how my issue works, maybe it's his too.
Yeah. This may be a Linux thing. It may be distro specific, as various
desktop environments use different UI libraries. Is yours KDE? It's been
a long time since I've mucked around in Debian or Red Hat.
If you can't get nightly or beta from your repo and try a fresh setup to
test, it might be time to hit Bugzilla. They will probably ask you to try
a fresh setup and test, though. ;^)
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 10:19:57 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:30:47 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling >>>>> a "spaces bar"?
The spaces toolbar is viewed by clicking the "-->|" icon, either in the >>>> very bottom left of status bar, or in the first icon of the main toolbar >>>> (but I've disabled just that icon via CSS as it's superfluous)
Do you speak English?
It's not entirely clear to people what the proper names of all the
screen areas within TB actually are ... someone might produce an
annotated screenshot?
Good idea. Problem is, everyone has a different setup because the program >>> is so customizable. So I could annotate my setup, and another user could >>> have several of the elements missing or very different.
I can mark up my screenshot though if you think it would help.
I'd appreciate knowing how to show number of items in outbox without
having to tick total message count, which shows for all folders.
Okay. Screenshot:
https://i.imgur.com/HRMT70U.png
Do you have that header at the top of your message list (List Pane)? You
may have turned it off, because "why have it" under most circumstances.
It now contains the quick filter button and message count, so that's why
I have it.
It shows number of messages, as circled. That's the only other way I know
how to do it.
If that works for you, the special sauce is:
Hamburger menu: View -> Layout, (+) Message List Header
Otherwise, I'm outta ideas.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:50:42 -0400, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
On 10/12/23 04:39 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:21:05 -0400, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
On 10/12/23 01:05 PM, this is what Zaghadka wrote:
I've seen reference to card view, but for the life of me I can't find it on a menu. Where is it, I'd like to try it?
LOL. I didn't even know it was there. Luckily, I knew it was promised, so
I went a'looking for it.
If you have a header on your message list, next to Quick Filter there is
this weird little icon that looks like a film strip with a scroll bar
next to it. Tooltip is: "Message List Display Options." Click it, choose Cards View, done.
If you don't have the header:
Hamburger Menu: View -> Layout, (+)Message List Header
Then you can finally click on the weird-ass filmstrip icon and choose
Cards View.
Then you can get rid of the header if it annoys you, but Quick Filter is
in it, so you might not want to.
This one took some work on my part when I first upgraded. It's not in the view menu when you press ALT. It's not in the hamburger menu. AFAIK, it's just that weird little icon.
Big Al wrote:What do people like about card view?
I've seen reference to card view
LOL. I didn't even know it was there. Luckily, I knew it was promised, so
I went a'looking for it.
Zaghadka wrote:
Big Al wrote:What do people like about card view?
I've seen reference to card view
LOL. I didn't even know it was there. Luckily, I knew it was promised, so
I went a'looking for it.
To me it looks like table view where all the useful columns have been
removed and replaced with numerous copies of the message header pane
toolbar ...
I agree with you about missing very useful things like a spam column,
turning threading on and off
It seems to show a single level of indent, not full thread levels
Andy Burns wrote:
What do people like about card view?
It's basically the way most email clients list mails these days,
definitely webmail clients, and it makes vertical view *way* more
practical.
I agree with you about missing very useful things like a spam column,
turning threading on and off
I am very glad they kept the "classic" modes around, for the sake of
those who want it. I am concerned that "classic" means, "soon to be deprecated when we get sick of supporting it."
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