Hi,
My brother has a Windows 10 laptop. I have a Windows 7 laptop.
Note: My Windows 10 laptop has issues.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he
can send a Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother
has a land line (NO cell phone).
I did a google search and at microsoft's web site for Windows 10,
the information I saw had to do with using a Phone App, then select
Message, etc.
My brother lives far from me. I would like to send him an email
with the information.
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
Thank You in advance, John
,
Hi,
My brother has a Windows 10 laptop. I have a Windows 7 laptop.
Note: My Windows 10 laptop has issues.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he
can send a Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother
has a land line (NO cell phone).
I did a google search and at microsoft's web site for Windows 10,
the information I saw had to do with using a Phone App, then select
Message, etc.
My brother lives far from me. I would like to send him an email
with the information.
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
Thank You in advance, John
,
jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
Hi,
My brother has a Windows 10 laptop. I have a Windows 7 laptop.
Note: My Windows 10 laptop has issues.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he
can send a Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother
has a land line (NO cell phone).
I did a google search and at microsoft's web site for Windows 10,
the information I saw had to do with using a Phone App, then select Message, etc.
My brother lives far from me. I would like to send him an email
with the information.
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
Thank You in advance, John
,
Windows 10 and 11 phone app is included in the o/s and called Phone Link.
In Windows 10 only Android is supported, in Windows 11 both Android and iPhone.
Phone Link requires use of a Microsoft Account(MSA)
- i.e. A Microsoft account is required to link the phone to a MSFT
account and use in Windows 10/11/.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
Hi,Windows 10 and 11 phone app is included in the o/s and called Phone Link.
My brother has a Windows 10 laptop. I have a Windows 7 laptop.
Note: My Windows 10 laptop has issues.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he
can send a Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother
has a land line (NO cell phone).
I did a google search and at microsoft's web site for Windows 10, >>> the information I saw had to do with using a Phone App, then select
Message, etc.
My brother lives far from me. I would like to send him an email
with the information.
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
Thank You in advance, John
,
In Windows 10 only Android is supported, in Windows 11 both Android and
iPhone.
Phone Link requires use of a Microsoft Account(MSA)
- i.e. A Microsoft account is required to link the phone to a MSFT
account and use in Windows 10/11/.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Ant wrote:
No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
still a work in progress.
Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Note: It's best to use the same email address as a Microsoft
account(MSA) for your Windows logon *and* the same email address for
your Apple ID account(iCloud, iTunes, iCloud app, Windows Photos, Phone link).
i.e. email address should be common, password for the MSA and the
Apple ID should be different for security reasons.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he can send a
Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother has a land
line (NO cell phone).
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
I think the odds are roughly the same as (politician's name)
recanting his lies and handing back all the money.
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
I think the odds are roughly the same as (politician's name)
recanting his lies and handing back all the money.
While I don't disagree with Stan, what anyone can do is mirror the iPhone audio, video, keyboard, clipboard and mouse onto Windows 10 for free.
<https://i.postimg.cc/k5gv0yw8/vysor34.jpg> Apple iOS & Android mirroring
In 999,999,999 out of 1,000,000,000 cases, the user will then be able to send/receive text from the iPad on Windows - without another account.
In my case (1 out of 1,000,000,000), I can't because I ran a test of NOT logging into the Apple mothership - & Apple literally killed the device.
Long story, but I tried _two_ iPads, both of which Apple killed off
(simply because I refused to log into the Apple mothership ever again).
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg> Apple won't let you back in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Only Apple requires a login
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login
So be it.
The point, which I was making in response to Ant's insinuation, was that nothing works on the iPad if you refuse to log into the mothership servers.
Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
Prove that was actually your iPad.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
"To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 15:14:49 -0400, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
There's no need. You can send an email to any phone and it will be
delivered as a text. For example, to send to a Verizon subscriber's
phone use the form 2125556789@vzwpix.com if the message contains
images or emojis, and 2124446789@vtext.com if it's pure text.
Googling "email to text" is how I found this out. You might want to
add the carrier's name (outside the quotes) if it's not one of these:
AT&T: phonenumber@txt.att.net
T-Mobile: phonenumber@tmomail.net
Verizon: phonenumber@vtext.com or phonenumber@vzwpix.com
Virgin Mobile: phonenumber@vmobl.com
On 09/10/2023 23:54, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 15:14:49 -0400, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
There's no need. You can send an email to any phone and it will be
delivered as a text. For example, to send to a Verizon subscriber's
phone use the form 2125556789@vzwpix.com if the message contains
images or emojis, and 2124446789@vtext.com if it's pure text.
Googling "email to text" is how I found this out. You might want to
add the carrier's name (outside the quotes) if it's not one of these:
AT&T: phonenumber@txt.att.net
T-Mobile: phonenumber@tmomail.net
Verizon: phonenumber@vtext.com or phonenumber@vzwpix.com
Virgin Mobile: phonenumber@vmobl.com
And how do they then send a reply text back to you?
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a
lock out!
Prove that was actually your iPad.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_
your acct!
"To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
account?
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
Prove that was actually your iPad.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct! >>"To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
account?
It can.
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
"features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of the
apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log out
again.
On 10/10/2023 01:43, Brian Gregory wrote:
And how do they then send a reply text back to you?
Using the same method. "sender'sphonenumber@his/her carrier.com"
On 09/10/2023 23:54, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 15:14:49 -0400, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
There's no need. You can send an email to any phone and it will be delivered as a text. For example, to send to a Verizon subscriber's
phone use the form 2125556789@vzwpix.com if the message contains
images or emojis, and 2124446789@vtext.com if it's pure text.
Googling "email to text" is how I found this out. You might want to
add the carrier's name (outside the quotes) if it's not one of these:
AT&T: phonenumber@txt.att.net
T-Mobile: phonenumber@tmomail.net
Verizon: phonenumber@vtext.com or phonenumber@vzwpix.com
Virgin Mobile: phonenumber@vmobl.com
And how do they then send a reply text back to you?
On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
account?
It can.
No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
account?
Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
"features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of
the apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log
out again.
You're a liar. Why are you lying?
You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.
You can't install apps without using that account.
You can't even send messages without logging into it.
When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote
| And how do they then send a reply text back to you?
|
That's the best part. They have to use email. :)
On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
account?
It can.
No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out! >>Prove that was actually your iPad.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
"To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
account?
It can.
No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
All App Stores require an account, liar.
You can't even send messages without logging into it.
All messaging services require accounts, liar.
When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.
No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?
And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
that don't require any connection to Apple.
snip <
Another way to accomplish texting on _any_ device is PulseSMS software.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> Text from/to anywhere
And yes - Pulse does require an account because that's the _only_ way it works (there's nothing magic about Apple's "just working" because what they really mean by that phrase is "just logging into a mothership server").
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
On 10 Oct 2023 03:50:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?
You lied that the iphone doesn't need to log into apple to send a message.
It does.
And now you lie that android needs an google account to send messages.
It doesn't.
Why are you lying about everything?
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
that don't require any connection to Apple.
Stop lying.
You can't even use ios without constantly logging into apple's servers.
The iphone can't even install apps without being logged into apple servers.
Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
All App Stores require an account, liar.
Why do you lie?
you need to lie
You lied
you're lying
Why do you lie?
You lied
you're lyingi
Why are you lying
Why do you lie
On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
All App Stores require an account, liar.
Why do you lie?
That you feel you need to lie about the apple login account is revealing.
You lied about the apple app store & now you're lying about the google play app store which does not need you to create an account to use it.
You can't even send messages without logging into it.
All messaging services require accounts, liar.
Why do you lie?
You lied saying apple messaging doesn't need people to create an account &
now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
Apple's messaging won't work without an account. Android does.
When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.
Why are you lying denying that nothing works on ios without the user being logged into an account. Not the messaging. Not installing apps. Nothing.
All that works on android without needing to create any server login.
Why do you lie when everyone knows none of that works on ios without it?
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
Note: It's best to use the same email address as a Microsoft
account(MSA) for your Windows logon *and* the same email address for
your Apple ID account(iCloud, iTunes, iCloud app, Windows Photos, Phone
link).
i.e. email address should be common, password for the MSA and the
Apple ID should be different for security reasons.
Below is extremely important (quite obvious) fundamental information...
(Most people don't know this _because_ it's so very basic!)
*You don't get that power _without_ logging into mothership servers*
While using the same mothership tracking server account does provide the power which people incorrectly "associate" with Apple's garden...
Another way to accomplish texting on _any_ device is PulseSMS software.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> Text from/to anywhere
And yes - Pulse does require an account because that's the _only_ way it works (there's nothing magic about Apple's "just working" because what they really mean by that phrase is "just logging into a mothership server").
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
Of course, I text from Android/Windows (physically) w/o _any account.
<https://i.postimg.cc/mrz6gJpC/scrcpy23.jpg> Android SMS/MMS on Windows
If you're not smart, you need an account; but if you're smart, you don't.
"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
| Whatever gave you that idea? They just reply in the
| Messaging app, as to any other text. The carrier's
| computers turn the text into an email.
How can that work? I'm on my Windows computer.
I send a text to phonenumber@service.com. It goes
through maybe a Verizon server and gets sent as a
text. There's no phone number on my end.
Does the
text they receive embed the email address? And their
app is designed to convert a text to email, recognizing
that as the source?
And what about when I haven't
sent an email? Can they address a text to
someone@emailcompany.com?
That also raises other questions. For example, HTML
email. That presumably won't go as text.
I've only sent email-as-text occasionally, mostly as
a joke. I'm not aware of anyone who's sent a text to
me as email. But I know some people who might like
that option.
Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
still a work in progress.
Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...
...because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:
Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything? >>He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.
It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.
Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.
Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:10:31 -0700, Alan wrote:
now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...
...because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.
You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?
The android default messenger works without having to create any account on any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.
It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.
Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out! >>Prove that was actually your iPad.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
"To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
| Sounds like you're not aware that, when you start a text thread on
| your phone, you can direct it to one of your contacts, to any phone
| number, or to any email address.
No, I didn't know that. Thanks. So in theory one
of my texting friends could already be texting my
email without me even knowing it. I'll have to tell
the people who keep complaining that I don't have
texting. Though I suppose the reason that many
of them prefer texting is because they expect me
to read it NOW.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account? >>Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
"features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of the
apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log out
again.
You're a liar. Why are you lying?
You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.
You can't install apps without using that account.
You can't even send messages without logging into it.
When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:
Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything? >>He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.
It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.
Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.
Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
Nobody's lying.
My iPad works fine w/o being logged in.
But for those things that need
the Apple account, of course one has to be logged in.
Just like for my Proton Mail to send/receive I have to be logged into
that account.
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
My iPad works fine not logged in.
Of course that means I don't have
Apple Messages, synchronization with my Notes, Reminders, etc. on my
other devices.
Everything else is fine.
You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?
Why won't you address my point?
The android default messenger works without having to create any account on >> any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.
"the android default messenger" is what: SMS?
iOS can send and receive messages without an Apple account.
'You can use iMessage even with iCloud completely disabled, or even if
youve never setup an iCloud account at all. If youre on an iPhone, you dont even need to sign in with an Apple ID if you only want to send and receive iMessages using your cellular phone number; an Apple account is
only required to associate email addresses with iMessage.'
<https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/using-imessage-without-icloud>
It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.
No. It is not.
Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?
What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
And I haven't lied about anything.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
The only dumb thing in this thread is you, my friend.
If I'm on my iPhone, logged out of Apple, SMS/MMS works fine because:
phone. No log in at all.
And so do all other messaging apps.
Because: phone and/or WiFi. And I
have to be logged into those too for them to work.
It's only Apple's messaging system that requires I log in. Of course.
Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.
Yes. This is the Apple way. Don't like it? Fine. Move along.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
Far from it.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 17:56:21 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account? >>My iPad works fine not logged in.
You are being fooled by the automatic log in process.
Log out. Then try it. You'll find out that nothing works anymore.
Try it. Almost everything you like about ios will stop working.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 17:58:25 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Nobody's lying.
They said the default messenger doesn't need an apple account
That's a lie.
They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
That's a lie.
They said apple doesn't insert a unique number tied only to your appleid
into every app you download and install on your iphone or on your ipad. That's a lie.
My iPad works fine w/o being logged in.
Try to send a typical message to someone without logging into it.
Try to download and install a typical app without logging into it.
Try to copy your ipa to your neighbor's ios device to see if it works.
All of a sudden, when you don't log into ios, it stops working fine.
Why can't you admit that?
But for those things that need
the Apple account, of course one has to be logged in.
Just like for my Proton Mail to send/receive I have to be logged into
that account.
That's a red herring which shows that you too are lying.
Of course you need an account to log into something like email.
But you claiming a bank needs an account is your way of lying because what we've been discussing here is the basic default messaging app & app store.
Why do you feel that you have to lie about needing that apple id account?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:10:30 -0700, Alan wrote:
You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?
Why won't you address my point?
You are trying to bring up unrelated apps like whatsapp and youtube, which, of course, they need an account. You did that because you lied about the default messenger which doesn't need an account on the google server for android but which needs the account on the apple server for ios to work.
The android default messenger works without having to create any account on >>> any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account. >>"the android default messenger" is what: SMS?
It's both sms & mms and it does not need any account on the google server.
iOS can send and receive messages without an Apple account.
'You can use iMessage even with iCloud completely disabled, or even if
you’ve never setup an iCloud account at all. If you’re on an iPhone, you >> don’t even need to sign in with an Apple ID if you only want to send and >> receive iMessages using your cellular phone number; an Apple account is
only required to associate email addresses with iMessage.'
<https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/using-imessage-without-icloud>
The icloud is different than requiring an apple id just to download and install apps. Besides that was for ios 5 and you're on ios 17 now.
Apple removed that long ago, around ios 9 or 10.
Now you can't send or receive anything in apple's ios messages without creating an apple account on the apple servers. With android you can.
It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps. >>No. It is not.
Why do you think apple inserts a unique id into every app you install?
Google doesn't do that for Android apps. Only apple does that.
Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts yourWhat does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too? >>
Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it matters?
And I haven't lied about anything.
You're right. You lied about ios messages not needing the apple account.
And you lied about the app store not needing the apple account.
But you were not lying when you were playing dumb by claiming that you
don't know why apple inserting your unique apple id into every app you download (even free apps) matters.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
The only dumb thing in this thread is you, my friend.
You lied about the app store apple id.
You lied about the messages apple id.
You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts your id into apps.
I confront you on those lies. And then you say it's me who is dumb?
I'm only asking you why you feel it's necessary for you to lie about it?
Just admit ios is a dumb terminal that needs to log into apple servers.
They said the default messenger doesn't need an apple account
That's a lie.
It doesn't - therefore it is not a lie. It does require, of course, a
phone connection.
They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
That's a lie.
I didn't say that. I don't care. And if you do, then stop griping
about it and move along.
They said apple doesn't insert a unique number tied only to your appleid
into every app you download and install on your iphone or on your ipad.
That's a lie.
I wouldn't know. And I do not care.
All of a sudden, when you don't log into ios, it stops working fine.
Why can't you admit that?
It works fine. Mail. Maps. Dozens and dozens of apps, all work fine.
Of course I lose what I value most with Apple - the seamless integration between my various Apple devices.
That's a red herring which shows that you too are lying.
Of course you need an account to log into something like email.
No different than Android. Right.
But you claiming a bank needs an account is your way of lying because what >> we've been discussing here is the basic default messaging app & app store.
Which - again - work fine. On the phone I don't need to be logged into
the Apple account to send SMS/MMS or use other apps (themselves need log
in).
Why do you feel that you have to lie about needing that apple id account?
Not lying. Laid it out above (and elsewhere) clear enough for most
people with a room temperature (Fahrenheit) IQ can understand it. If
you're struggling, I suggest you stop letting Apple have rent in your
head and move on.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:10:30 -0700, Alan wrote:
You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?
Why won't you address my point?
You are trying to bring up unrelated apps like whatsapp and youtube,
which,
of course, they need an account. You did that because you lied about
the default messenger which doesn't need an account on the google
server for android but which needs the account on the apple server
for ios to work.
The android default messenger works without having to create any
account on any google servers. The ios default messenger requires
that apple account.
"the android default messenger" is what: SMS?
It's both sms & mms and it does not need any account on the google
server.
iOS can send and receive messages without an Apple account.
'You can use iMessage even with iCloud completely disabled, or even
if you’ve never setup an iCloud account at all. If you’re on an
iPhone, you don’t even need to sign in with an Apple ID if you only
want to send and receive iMessages using your cellular phone
number; an Apple account is only required to associate email
addresses with iMessage.'
<https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/using-imessage-without-icloud>
The icloud is different than requiring an apple id just to download
and install apps. Besides that was for ios 5 and you're on ios 17
now.
Apple removed that long ago, around ios 9 or 10.
Now you can't send or receive anything in apple's ios messages
without creating an apple account on the apple servers. With android
you can.
It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run
free apps.
No. It is not.
Why do you think apple inserts a unique id into every app you
install? Google doesn't do that for Android apps. Only apple does
that.
Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts
your unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie
about that too?
What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it
matters?
And I haven't lied about anything.
You're right. You lied about ios messages not needing the apple
account.
And you lied about the app store not needing the apple
account.
But you were not lying when you were playing dumb by claiming that
you don't know why apple inserting your unique apple id into every
app you download (even free apps) matters.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe
servers.
The only dumb thing in this thread is you, my friend.
You lied about the app store apple id. You lied about the messages
apple id. You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts
your id into apps.
I confront you on those lies. And then you say it's me who is dumb?
I'm only asking you why you feel it's necessary for you to lie about
it?
Just admit ios is a dumb terminal that needs to log into apple
servers.
I wouldn't know. And I do not care.
You might not care that apple inserts a unique identifier unique to your apple id account with every app you download - but apple cares. A lot!
Try it. Almost everything you like about ios will stop working.
1- am currently logged out on my iPad mini.
2- doing all the things I said I can do.
They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
That's a lie.
No. I said that the Google Play store needs an account as well.
And that's a fact.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:50:49 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
They said the default messenger doesn't need an apple account
That's a lie.
It doesn't - therefore it is not a lie. It does require, of course, a
phone connection.
It is a lie.
The default apple ios messenger doesn't work without the apple id.
The default android messenger does work without a google id.
They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
That's a lie.
I didn't say that. I don't care. And if you do, then stop griping
about it and move along.
Why do you call it "griping" when I'm simply explaining how it works?
It's not a gripe that the apple app store requires you to create an account while the google app store doesn't require you to create that account.
Do you call it "griping" because you can no longer lie about it?
They said apple doesn't insert a unique number tied only to your appleid >>> into every app you download and install on your iphone or on your ipad.
That's a lie.
I wouldn't know. And I do not care.
You might not care that apple inserts a unique identifier unique to your apple id account with every app you download - but apple cares. A lot!
All of a sudden, when you don't log into ios, it stops working fine.
Why can't you admit that?
It works fine. Mail. Maps. Dozens and dozens of apps, all work fine.
Of course I lose what I value most with Apple - the seamless integration
between my various Apple devices.
Fundamentally that iphone is a dumb terminal because nothing works if you don't connect it to the apple "mainframe" servers every day of its life.
All that "good stuff" you value requires you to be connected for sure.
That's a red herring which shows that you too are lying.
Of course you need an account to log into something like email.
No different than Android. Right.
Maybe you missed the main point that android works fine without creating an account to use it while the iphone doesn't work at all if you don't.
I don't know why you and the others feel the need to lie about it.
Are you embarrassed by it perhaps?
But you claiming a bank needs an account is your way of lying because what >>> we've been discussing here is the basic default messaging app & app store. >>Which - again - work fine. On the phone I don't need to be logged into
the Apple account to send SMS/MMS or use other apps (themselves need log
in).
This is correct. You can't do anything with the default message app if you don't log into the apple servers while android messaging doesn't do that.
Why did the others lie about that?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:03:25 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
If I'm on my iPhone, logged out of Apple, SMS/MMS works fine because:
phone. No log in at all.
That's exactly how it works on android but it doesn't work that way on ios. Try it.
Log out of your apple id account.
Then try to send a text message using your default apple messenger.
Write back what happens.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:51:53 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Try it. Almost everything you like about ios will stop working.
1- am currently logged out on my iPad mini.
2- doing all the things I said I can do.
You're saying you are installing apple app store apps without an account?
You're a liar.
On 11/10/2023, Alan wrote:
They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
That's a lie.
No. I said that the Google Play store needs an account as well.
And that's a fact.
No it's not a fact. It's wrong. Either you're stupid. Or you're lying.
Assuming the best case, which is that you're just stupid, then you need to learn something before you respond again with your stupidity.
You do NOT need to create a Google account to download & install apps off
the Google Play Store as there are FOSS apps which do all that for you.
One of those FOSS apps that searches for, downloads, and installs the apps directly off the Google Play Store is Aurora (but many others exist). https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/AuroraStore
"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote
| Texting is not guaranteed for immediate attention. Neither is e-mail.
| If immediate interaction is required, make a phone call, or use a chat
| client (e.g., WhatsApp).
I've noticed that things have gradually changed. At one
time, people always answered cellphoes because it was
almost always guaranteed to be relevant. People got mad
at me because I wasn't on call.
Then people switched to text because no one aswered
their cellphones. Text was the way to get through quick.
People got mad at me because I didn't text. Now I've noticed
that texting is so ubiquitous, people are not answering texts,
either.
So I guess we're back to leaving messages, except that no
one listens to messages anymore. I heard recently that the
new edicate says you should text to get permission to call
now. Don't just "show up uninvited" on the other end of
the line!
I mostly use email. Customers, friends, family... Occasionally
with family I talk for an hour or more on the phone. But email
allows me to keep in touch, write long emails if necessary, and
I don't need to coordinate timing. I just check email when I'm
in the mood, a few times a day. I'm not a drug dealer or a
country doctor. No one needs to reach me NOW.
Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
I wouldn't know. And I do not care.
You might not care that apple inserts a unique identifier unique to your
apple id account with every app you download - but apple cares. A lot!
The reason Apple ties every app installed to the person who installed it
is that Apple is logging every mouse click he does with every app he uses.
It's all tied to his AppleID which is why Apple wants him logging in.
Apple is probably selling his data to the developers and to advertisers.
Long ago, cell phones were called mobile phones.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:03:25 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
If I'm on my iPhone, logged out of Apple, SMS/MMS works fine because:
phone. No log in at all.
That's exactly how it works on android but it doesn't work that way on ios. Try it.
Log out of your apple id account.
Then try to send a text message using your default apple messenger.
Write back what happens.
And so do all other messaging apps.
Because: phone and/or WiFi. And I
have to be logged into those too for them to work.
That's a different subject - which means you know you're lying.
Of course your banking app or your linked-in account needs a login.
Of course whatsapp or telegram or signal or facebook need an account.
On any platform.
But we're talking about two of the most basic things a phone does.
Sending text messages and installing apps from the company app store.
Android sends messages without needing to create a google account.
The iphone can't.
Android installs from the company app store without creating an account.
The iphone can't.
Don't equate those basic tasks with setting up an email account because on all platforms (windows, linux & macos too!) email will need an account.
It's only Apple's messaging system that requires I log in. Of course.
At least you agree that apple's messaging system requires an account. Android's messaging does not.
Why did the others lie about that?
Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps >>> taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.
Yes. This is the Apple way. Don't like it? Fine. Move along.
It's not a question of liking that ios requires a login to work.
It's a question of what is the case.
And that the others lied about it.
Apple's messaging system requires you log in.
Android's messaging system does not.
Why did they feel they needed to lie about what we agree is the case?
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
Far from it.
It's a dumb terminal in that without logging into the apple servers, it
can't do even the simple things like messaging and installing apps.
Certainly ios can't do the complicated things you like about it either without logging into the apple account (in that way it's a dumb terminal).
On 2023-10-10 20:44, Mickey D wrote:
On 11/10/2023, Alan wrote:
They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
That's a lie.
No. I said that the Google Play store needs an account as well.
And that's a fact.
No it's not a fact. It's wrong. Either you're stupid. Or you're lying.
I'm sorry... ...are you seriously telling me this screenshot is a FAKE:
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>
That is a screenshot of me on the Google Play store attempting to
download a FREE book, and being asked to "Please sign in"
Assuming the best case, which is that you're just stupid, then you need to >> learn something before you respond again with your stupidity.
You do NOT need to create a Google account to download & install apps off
the Google Play Store as there are FOSS apps which do all that for you.
One of those FOSS apps that searches for, downloads, and installs the apps >> directly off the Google Play Store is Aurora (but many others exist).
https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/AuroraStore
"Account login: You can login with either personal or an anonymous account"
So you still need an account.
Are you stupid, or a liar...
...or both?
Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
I wouldn't know. And I do not care.
You might not care that apple inserts a unique identifier unique to your
apple id account with every app you download - but apple cares. A lot!
The reason Apple ties every app installed to the person who installed it
is that Apple is logging every mouse click he does with every app he uses.
It's all tied to his AppleID which is why Apple wants him logging in.
Apple is probably selling his data to the developers and to advertisers.
On 2023-10-10 18:50, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:03:25 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
If I'm on my iPhone, logged out of Apple, SMS/MMS works fine because:
phone. No log in at all.
That's exactly how it works on android but it doesn't work that way on ios. >> Try it.
Log out of your apple id account.
Then try to send a text message using your default apple messenger.
Write back what happens.
To assuage all doubts, I just wasted time and logged out of Apple on my iPhone.
Apple Message Works fine. Of course not via iMessage. Just via plain
"old" SMS/MMS.
And so do all other messaging apps.
Because: phone and/or WiFi. And I
have to be logged into those too for them to work.
That's a different subject - which means you know you're lying.
Of course your banking app or your linked-in account needs a login.
Of course whatsapp or telegram or signal or facebook need an account.
On any platform.
But we're talking about two of the most basic things a phone does.
Sending text messages and installing apps from the company app store.
Android sends messages without needing to create a google account.
The iphone can't.
Well, as I say, logged out of my iPhone and used Message to send
SMS/MMS. No issue.
As to dowloading apps from Apple's app store - being logged in is no
issue at all for me.
If it's an issue for you, then stop moaning about it and blow off.
Android installs from the company app store without creating an account.
The iphone can't.
Don't equate those basic tasks with setting up an email account because on >> all platforms (windows, linux & macos too!) email will need an account.
It's only Apple's messaging system that requires I log in. Of course.
At least you agree that apple's messaging system requires an account.
Android's messaging does not.
I don't agree with you. Apple Message works fine, not logged in to
Apple, using MMS/SMS.
Why did the others lie about that?
Won't speak for them - but if they said what I say above, it would
appear that you are the liar. Surprise! (not).
Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps >>>> taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.
Yes. This is the Apple way. Don't like it? Fine. Move along.
It's not a question of liking that ios requires a login to work.
Not at all. As explained. Not my problem you can't handle facts.
It's a question of what is the case.
And that the others lied about it.
Apple's messaging system requires you log in.
To use Apple's iMessage service:Yes. (Like all messaging services that
are not SMS/MMS).
Android's messaging system does not.
Other than SMS/MMS? Most - probably all.
Why did they feel they needed to lie about what we agree is the case?
Keep circling. Watch for the drain.
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers. >>>Far from it.
It's a dumb terminal in that without logging into the apple servers, it
can't do even the simple things like messaging and installing apps.
Sheesh you're a repetitive idiot.
Certainly ios can't do the complicated things you like about it either
without logging into the apple account (in that way it's a dumb terminal).
Far from it. Only those things that use the Apple integration (aka: eco-system) need it. And that is fine - because that integration is
head and shoulders above anything in the Android universe.
Done with you.
VanguardLH wrote:
Long ago, cell phones were called mobile phones.
As far as I know, the "where" matters more than the "when".
In the UK, they're mobile phones, cell phones is an American thing, in Germany they're called a handy.
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
...
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
still a work in progress.
Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:What do you do with a desktop and no wi-fi? Besides, usb wi-fi & bluetooth dongles are a dime a dozen. I picked up a
...
No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
still a work in progress.
Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not evenNo. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
still a work in progress.
Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC. >>
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Sigh!
Needing a Microsoft Account *and* Bluetooth!? How on earth does
Microsoft come up with such nonsense!?
How much does an account with Pulse cost?
"Pick your plan to set up an account. The subscription option will
provide you with a free 7-day trial, through the Play Store."
Yes, alternative applications are available...but the question presented
was specific - Testing via the Windows 10 Phone app.
- The Windows 10/11 Phone app's requirements need to be met to do so.
Anyway, there are many other 'screen mirroring' tools to accomplish
these kinds of tasks, it's just a pity that the user has to waste hir
time, trying to find one, because the Microsoft one is broken-by-design.
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.What do you do with a desktop and no wi-fi?
Besides, usb wi-fi & bluetooth dongles are a dime a dozen.
I picked up a
$10 wi-fi dual wi-fi
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops.
Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
Yes, alternative applications are available...but the question presented
was specific - Testing via the Windows 10 Phone app.
- The Windows 10/11 Phone app's requirements need to be met to do so.
Agreed. Both Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the
OP and we both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.
These are Andy Burns' screenshots, for example.
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/phonelink1.png>
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/phonelink2.png>
The help pages for what is needed don't seem to make it clear though that
the MSA is required, but I only skimmed them - the OP can look deeper.
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
I am still on Windows 10, but if the OP is on Windows 11, maybe the need
for that MSA isn't so onerous as he would already have created it, right?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:39:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45
as the others said they do all the time to add Wi-Fi to a desktop w/o it.
Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the OP and we
both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
...
No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
still a work in progress.
Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
Sigh!
Needing a Microsoft Account *and* Bluetooth!? How on earth does Microsoft come up with such nonsense!?
BT is an Anroid and Apple iOs requirement for the Windows Phone Link app.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Long ago, cell phones were called mobile phones.
As far as I know, the "where" matters more than the "when".
In the UK, they're mobile phones, cell phones is an American thing, in
Germany they're called a handy.
Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing. Here (NL) they're also called
'mobile phone' ('mobiele telefoon') or just 'mobile' ('mobiel'). In the
old days they were called 'GSM', because that was the only technology at
the time.
I like the German term 'handy', but it shouldn't be taking too
literally! :-(
Patrick wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45
as the others said they do all the time to add Wi-Fi to a desktop w/o it.
RJ45 is an option.
. but have also noticed more laptops/tablets without an RJ45 Lan port,
only wifi.
The help pages for what is needed don't seem to make it clear though that
the MSA is required, but I only skimmed them - the OP can look deeper.
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
I am still on Windows 10, but if the OP is on Windows 11, maybe the need
for that MSA isn't so onerous as he would already have created it, right?
The docs on the app could have been written better.
For the most part(for Win10) if the app requires an MSA to download from
the MSFT store or a feature included app in Windows, there's a good
chance an MSA is required for use.
For Win11, which is more closely designed(and expected) to be used with
an MSA, it seems reasonably logical that the MSA logon used for Windows
11 having already signed on - meets the Phone Link's MSA requirement.
Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the OP and we
both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.
I stopped at that point.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:11:56 -0400, ...winston wrote:
Patrick wrote:
[quoted text muted]RJ45 is an option.
Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45 >> > as the others said they do all the time to add Wi-Fi to a desktop w/o it. >>
. but have also noticed more laptops/tablets without an RJ45 Lan port,
only wifi.
Some laptops come with an Ethernet-to-USB dongle on
about a 3-inch cable. But for those who don't, there
are these (among, I'm sure, a few zillion others):
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+to+ethernet+adapter&crid=3DVEXILNBTKCO&sprefix=usb+to+ethernet%2Caps%2C140>
Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.
What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it matters?
I notice you can't explain.
And you lied about the app store not needing the apple account.
I never claimed that. What I said and showed was that you need an
account to access the Google Play store.
Something you keep refusing to acknowledge is true.
You lied about the app store apple id.
False
You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts your id into apps.
False. What I asked you was why YOU think it matters.
Everyone knows you do not need to create a google account to search for,
download and install apps directly from the google play store repository.
Except you.
I showed you a screenshot that proves you wrong.
The reason Apple ties every app installed to the person who installed it
is that Apple is logging every mouse click he does with every app he uses. >>
It's all tied to his AppleID which is why Apple wants him logging in.
Apple is probably selling his data to the developers and to advertisers.
Everything in this post is false.
Both, and a weak troll to boot.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 16:36:45 -0700, Alan wrote:
I notice you can't explain.What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it matters? >>
If you don't know why locking all apps (even free ones!) to your appleid alone and then tagging forever with your applid alone is something only
apple does, then explaining to you why app tracking is bad is a lost cause.
And you lied about the app store not needing the apple account.
I never claimed that. What I said and showed was that you need an
account to access the Google Play store.
Something you keep refusing to acknowledge is true.
Everyone knows you do not need to create a google account to search for, download and install apps directly from the google play store repository.
Except you.
You lied about the app store apple id.
False
You lied.
You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts your id into apps. >>False. What I asked you was why YOU think it matters.
If you don't know why inserting your unique identifier into every app you download is a bad idea (which only apple does - nobody else) then nothing anyone says will ever knock any sense into your head.
Suffice to repeat that only apple does that. Nobody else would dare.
You're saying you are installing apple app store apps without an account?
You're a liar.
How is not being able to do that one thing the same as "almost everything"?
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
The help pages for what is needed don't seem to make it clear though that >>> the MSA is required, but I only skimmed them - the OP can look deeper.
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
I am still on Windows 10, but if the OP is on Windows 11, maybe the need >>> for that MSA isn't so onerous as he would already have created it, right? >>>
The docs on the app could have been written better.
For the most part(for Win10) if the app requires an MSA to download from
the MSFT store or a feature included app in Windows, there's a good
chance an MSA is required for use.
For Win11, which is more closely designed(and expected) to be used with
an MSA, it seems reasonably logical that the MSA logon used for Windows
11 having already signed on - meets the Phone Link's MSA requirement.
I think we agree (you, me and Andy Burns at least) that the MSA is a requirement, even it's not explicitly spelled out at the "beginning".
Now... what about Ant's objection that Bluetooth is also required?
When I grep for bluetooth in the document, the word "bluetooth" shows up 14 times, but tellingly, first only under the "setup for Instant Hotspot"...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
How to setup Instant Hotspot?
... stuff ...
What are the requirements for using this feature?
... stuff ...
A PC with Bluetooth support and Wi-Fi adapter
... stuff ...
But then "bluetooth" shows up 13 more times after that, where I'm not sure
if BT is needed or not for the typical normal Link to Windows requirements.
At this end, not actually agreeing. Just stating what I know is true(required).
- MSA required
Bluetooth
- requirement is Android and iOS based for their smartphones.
i.e. not a MSFT or Windows requirment per se. It's the connectivity required by Android and iOS to sync the phone for the Windows app.
On 11 Oct 2023 15:28:30 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
The reason Apple ties every app installed to the person who installed it >>> is that Apple is logging every mouse click he does with every app he uses. >>>
It's all tied to his AppleID which is why Apple wants him logging in.
Apple is probably selling his data to the developers and to advertisers.
Everything in this post is false.
Except that it's all correct and only apple modifies every app to insert a unique tracking it that is strictly locked to your appleid into every app.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 23:09:59 -0700, Alan wrote:
You're saying you are installing apple app store apps without an account? >>>
You're a liar.
How is not being able to do that one thing the same as "almost everything"?
Try this test and watch it work on android and fail on ios.
Without ever creating an apple account, download an app from the apple app store and install it and then use the saved ipa on a phone you don't own.
Compare the results with......
Without ever creating a google account, download an app from the google
play store and install it & then use the saved apk on any other phone.
The proof that you're lying is both will work on any android phone.
Neither will work on any iphone.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:20:02 -0700, Alan wrote:
Everyone knows you do not need to create a google account to search for, >>> download and install apps directly from the google play store repository. >>>
Except you.
I showed you a screenshot that proves you wrong.
Like I said, everyone knows two things you do not know.
The first is that apple inserts a unique tracking identifier into every app that you download which not only locks that app (even free apps!) to your appleid but also allows apple to sell any information they gain from it.
Only apple inserts your unique identification into every app you install.
For you say you don't know this by now means you're lying because everyone knows it and therefore it's easy to find out with a simple google search.
The second is that only you are unaware that anyone can install apps
directly from the google play store repository using any number of foss
skins much like how a web browser can access any file made available.
Since you've had ample opportunity to look up what auroraoss does, I will
be forced to assume you're lying since everyone knows that this is so.
The reason that everything you've said has to be a lie is everyone knows
this and for you to say that only you don't know it must then be a lie.
On 11 Oct 2023 15:29:34 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Both, and a weak troll to boot.
You call it a troll because you refuse to believe that only apple inserts a unique tracking identifier tied to your appleid into every app you install.
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
At this end, not actually agreeing. Just stating what I know is
true(required).
- MSA required
Bluetooth
- requirement is Android and iOS based for their smartphones.
i.e. not a MSFT or Windows requirment per se. It's the connectivity
required by Android and iOS to sync the phone for the Windows app.
Leave it to Microsoft to be so sneaky as to not be explicit that the MSA is required for things that it should NOT need to have an MSA to do.
An example is I just tried to install this "To Do" app from Microsoft.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.todos>
Nowhere does it say (that I could find) that you need an MSA account.
So I install it.
Guess what the first thing is that it requires just to open up the app.....
I believe I mentioned(earlier)...
- if it's an app from MSFT, good chance in every instance an MSA is required. While some included apps can be run without an MSA(or a notice
to sign on with an MSA), the design intent since Windows 8.0 has been to
use an MSA.
- pretty much strengthened further since Win10 was released
Wally J wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:)
At this end, not actually agreeing. Just stating what I know is
true(required).
- MSA required
Bluetooth
- requirement is Android and iOS based for their smartphones.
i.e. not a MSFT or Windows requirment per se. It's the connectivity >>> required by Android and iOS to sync the phone for the Windows app.
Leave it to Microsoft to be so sneaky as to not be explicit that the MSA is >> required for things that it should NOT need to have an MSA to do.
An example is I just tried to install this "To Do" app from Microsoft.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.todos>
Nowhere does it say (that I could find) that you need an MSA account.
So I install it.
Guess what the first thing is that it requires just to open up the app..... >>
I believe I mentioned(earlier)...
- if it's an app from MSFT, good chance in every instance an MSA is required. While some included apps can be run without an MSA(or a notice to sign on with an MSA), the design intent since Windows 8.0 has been to use an MSA.
- pretty much strengthened further since Win10 was released
Lol...its not much different when design intent using a Microsoft Account(fka as Live account) in 2008 first appeared with the release of the Windows Essentials suite(Windows Live Mail, Photo Gallery, Movie Maker)
- while not necessary the design intent was to use these programs with an MSA(Live Account - Outlook/Hotmail/Live/Msn.com, Passport.net or any third party email registered as an MSA/Microsoft account).
Sneaky? No...an MSA use has been the norm for years with the initial direction over 15 yrs ago.
It is possible to install Windows 11 Pro without a MSA. Not sure about Windows 11 Home
While temporarily creating a MSA account for my first Windows 10 S
conversion was "fixed" by requesting a deletion from MS (which they did
some time later), I hear that only in Windows 11 is the damn thing
required.
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
I believe I mentioned(earlier)...
Ah. You did. My bad. I'm just slowly coming to that realization.
Empirically.
- if it's an app from MSFT, good chance in every instance an MSA is
required. While some included apps can be run without an MSA(or a notice
to sign on with an MSA), the design intent since Windows 8.0 has been to
use an MSA.
You have a better handle on Microsoft's MSA-lockin strategy than I do.
There is no doubt the always-logged-into-the-mothership-servers model has worked beautifully for Apple where I'd wager 98% of Apple users don't even realize they're sheep kept in the slaughterhouse surrounded by the garden.
But I thought Windows users were smarter than that in that we've all
rebelled against, oh, say, Windows 10 S which at first "seemed to" require
a MSA but in reality, it was very easily worked around (turning Windows 10
S into Windows 10 Home rather easily).
The requirement for the MS Store account also was easily circumvented
simply by not getting anything from the MS Store (which, to my knowledge, doesn't contain anything of any worth). Even Paint.NET (my favorite free PhotoShop editor on Windows) is obtained outside of the MS Store (although inside the MS Store they charge people dumb enough to pay for it there).
- pretty much strengthened further since Win10 was released
You're ahead of me on understanding Microsoft's MSA strategy as I have no account still - and yet - I've tried to remove my Apple account from my
iPads and everything stops working.
While temporarily creating a MSA account for my first Windows 10 S
conversion was "fixed" by requesting a deletion from MS (which they did
some time later), I hear that only in Windows 11 is the damn thing
required.
If that's true, then it took Microsoft from Windows 8 to now to make it a reality. Luckily there's nothing Windows 11 does that all the other
Windows versions don't (or won't) do, so I'm safe for another few years.
But I thought Windows users were smarter than that in that we've allThat doesn't change much. The Windows apps in Win10/11 S are the same
rebelled against, oh, say, Windows 10 S which at first "seemed to" require >> a MSA but in reality, it was very easily worked around (turning Windows 10 >> S into Windows 10 Home rather easily).
apps in Windows 10/11 Home/Pro.
S mode is a Windows Store app only mode requiring Edge for browsing
- i.e. not able to install programs from other sources(e.g.3rd party)
The requirement for the MS Store account also was easily circumvented
simply by not getting anything from the MS Store (which, to my knowledge,
doesn't contain anything of any worth). Even Paint.NET (my favorite free
PhotoShop editor on Windows) is obtained outside of the MS Store (although >> inside the MS Store they charge people dumb enough to pay for it there).
There are two releases of Paint.net - one free, one paid
iirc, the Store version has auto version updating
Paint.net does appreciate donations for using the free version, the paid version meets that intent.
- pretty much strengthened further since Win10 was released
You're ahead of me on understanding Microsoft's MSA strategy as I have no
account still - and yet - I've tried to remove my Apple account from my
iPads and everything stops working.
Design intent. That been the same for years, even before iPads, iPods
and iTouch devices used iTunes and an Apple ID to sync.
While temporarily creating a MSA account for my first Windows 10 S
conversion was "fixed" by requesting a deletion from MS (which they did
some time later), I hear that only in Windows 11 is the damn thing
required.
Not necessarily true. A Local account can still be created in Windows 11
If upgraded to Win11 from Win10, all Windows logon accounts(MSA and
Local) by default/design will be retained.
If that's true, then it took Microsoft from Windows 8 to now to make it aSee above, not entirely true.
reality. Luckily there's nothing Windows 11 does that all the other
Windows versions don't (or won't) do, so I'm safe for another few years.
Nothing wrong with staying on Windows 10 at least until EOL in 2025
"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
| > Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.
|
| Because it's based on "cellular radio" with roaming/handoff. Who knew.
Anything but "smart phone" is fine with me. That's
just marketing. Though I've noticed that increasingly people
just say "phone".
And I've noticed that increasingly
people assume my phone number is cell phone, which
it isn't. People get suspicious, like I'm not giving them
my "real" number.
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
| > Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.
|
| Because it's based on "cellular radio" with roaming/handoff. Who knew.
Anything but "smart phone" is fine with me. That's
just marketing. Though I've noticed that increasingly people
just say "phone".
Well, first of all, it's not a "smart phone", but a "smartphone'. The
former leads to biased assumptions like yours.
On 14 Oct 2023 12:40:24 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
| > Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.
|
| Because it's based on "cellular radio" with roaming/handoff. Who knew. >>
Anything but "smart phone" is fine with me. That's
just marketing. Though I've noticed that increasingly people
just say "phone".
Well, first of all, it's not a "smart phone", but a "smartphone'. The
former leads to biased assumptions like yours.
I'll add that in the early days of "smartphones," there were still a
lot of fliptop cellular phones around that did almost nothing but make
and receive calls. So using the term "smartphone" was a good way to distinguish them from those.
Now that those "dumb" phones are largely gone, the term "smartphone"
is really no longer needed.
By the way, the spell checker here in Agent doesn't like "smartphone"
and wants to change it to "smart phone." Personally I think either
spelling is OK.
On 14 Oct 2023 12:40:24 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
| > Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.
|
| Because it's based on "cellular radio" with roaming/handoff. Who knew. >>>
Anything but "smart phone" is fine with me. That's
just marketing. Though I've noticed that increasingly people
just say "phone".
Well, first of all, it's not a "smart phone", but a "smartphone'. The
former leads to biased assumptions like yours.
I'll add that in the early days of "smartphones," there were still a
lot of fliptop cellular phones around that did almost nothing but make
and receive calls. So using the term "smartphone" was a good way to distinguish them from those.
Now that those "dumb" phones are largely gone, the term "smartphone"
is really no longer needed.
By the way, the spell checker here in Agent doesn't like "smartphone"
and wants to change it to "smart phone." Personally I think either
spelling is OK.
Ken Blake wrote:
On 14 Oct 2023 12:40:24 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
| > Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.
|
| Because it's based on "cellular radio" with roaming/handoff. Who knew. >>>>
Anything but "smart phone" is fine with me. That's
just marketing. Though I've noticed that increasingly people
just say "phone".
Well, first of all, it's not a "smart phone", but a "smartphone'. The
former leads to biased assumptions like yours.
I'll add that in the early days of "smartphones," there were still a
lot of fliptop cellular phones around that did almost nothing but make
and receive calls. So using the term "smartphone" was a good way to
distinguish them from those.
Now that those "dumb" phones are largely gone, the term "smartphone"
is really no longer needed.
By the way, the spell checker here in Agent doesn't like "smartphone"
and wants to change it to "smart phone." Personally I think either
spelling is OK.
I think your dating yourself<g>
or never had one of the later flip type
phones.
A way to install a Metro App, might be to use "winget".
I don't know what dependencies that has.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/package-manager/winget/
But my point remains. The reason the adjective "smart" isn't needed
before "phone" is that these days, all (almost all?) cell phones are
smart..
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 09:35:06 -0400, Paul wrote:^^^^^___ fives?
A way to install a Metro App, might be to use "winget".
I don't know what dependencies that has.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/package-manager/winget/
This app says it fives SMS/MMS directly to the Windows PC.
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"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
I'll add that in the early days of "smartphones," there were still a
lot of fliptop cellular phones around that did almost nothing but make
and receive calls. So using the term "smartphone" was a good way to distinguish them from those.
Now that those "dumb" phones are largely gone, the term "smartphone"
is really no longer needed.
Actually they're making a comeback. I visited two brothers
this weekend. Both now have a fliphpone. Why? They don't
want to text and the flip-phone is cheap. Though my fully
computerized Tracfone only cost me $0 + $20 every 3 months.
It has Firefox installed and has no problem going online. I
could text... if I wanted to give anyone the phone number. :)
Hi,
My brother has a Windows 10 laptop. I have a Windows 7 laptop.
Note: My Windows 10 laptop has issues.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he
can send a Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother
has a land line (NO cell phone).
I did a google search and at microsoft's web site for Windows 10,
the information I saw had to do with using a Phone App, then select
Message, etc.
My brother lives far from me. I would like to send him an email
with the information.
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
Thank You in advance, John
,
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 08 Oct 2023 15:14:49 -0400, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
Hi,
My brother has a Windows 10 laptop. I have a Windows 7 laptop.
Note: My Windows 10 laptop has issues.
He asked me if there is an app for Win10 he can use so he
AFAIC, apps are for phones. Mainfraims have "application programs"
Computers have programs. -- Because every time you said app, I
thought you were talking about a phone.
can send a Text message to someone's Cell Phone. Note: My brother
has a land line (NO cell phone).
I did a google search and at microsoft's web site for Windows 10,
the information I saw had to do with using a Phone App, then select
Message, etc.
My brother lives far from me. I would like to send him an email
with the information.
Did Windows 10 come with a Phone app with the ability to Text?
No, but other people solved it.
First learn the name of
what is cellular provider for this number
So the answer to my own qustion is:
https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-carrier-lookup
https://www.hlrlookup.com/
And probably, but I haven't tried it
https://freecarrierlookup.com/
When you know the provider, you can go to this page and find how to
email a text to the phone:
https://www.notepage.net/smtp.htm
For example, to text a Verizon phone, send an eamail to 10digitphonenumber@vtext.com
unfortunately, Verizon has two other choices,
@myvzw.com and @vswpix.com
But 99% of the others only have one.
Even though I use Mint Mobile, the email address is tmobile.
OTOH a friend who uses Cricket has a cricket email address.
No more lifting that heavy phone to make a text when you are already at
your keyboard.
Thank You in advance, John
,
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