*From:* Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
*Date:* Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:24:38 +0100
I took a lengthy video on my phone yesterday, the first day of the
Tour of Britain cycling race. The minutes prior to the peloton
arriving were quite spectacular. A host of 20/30 motorcycle cops
race up in an almost military troop, cut off all traffic left and
right, set up blocks everywhere. And then the cyclists appear,
cheered by all the people who've rushed out of their homes to find
out what all that brigade of motorcycle cops is doing.
Well, to the point.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone
sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not
recognised by the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
I took a lengthy video on my phone yesterday, the first day of the Tour of Britain cycling race. The minutes prior to
the peloton arriving were quite spectacular. A host of 20/30 motorcycle cops race up in an almost military troop, cut
off all traffic left and right, set up blocks everywhere. And then the cyclists appear, cheered by all the people who've
rushed out of their homes to find out what all that brigade of motorcycle cops is doing.
Well, to the point.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not recognised by the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
Ed
Well, to the point.There should be a prompt on the phone so you can change the usb to 'charge' or 'data' or some wording like that.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not recognised by the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
Ed
You may have it covered by some app.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a
little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
There isn't an Android-to-PC connection method ever suggested on these newsgroups that I haven't personally tested - so beware of details below.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
I took a lengthy video on my phone yesterday, the first day of the Tour
of Britain cycling race. The minutes prior to the peloton arriving were
quite spectacular. A host of 20/30 motorcycle cops race up in an almost military troop, cut off all traffic left and right, set up blocks
everywhere. And then the cyclists appear, cheered by all the people
who've rushed out of their homes to find out what all that brigade of motorcycle cops is doing.
Well, to the point.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not recognised by
the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
Ed
In summary, if the Android phone is making a sound, and if the OP
has no idea what is making that sound, I'd suspect notifications.
In article <ud53tj$1iclj$1@dont-email.me>, ed@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer) wrote:
*From:* Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
*Date:* Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:24:38 +0100
I took a lengthy video on my phone yesterday, the first day of the
Tour of Britain cycling race. The minutes prior to the peloton
arriving were quite spectacular. A host of 20/30 motorcycle cops
race up in an almost military troop, cut off all traffic left and
right, set up blocks everywhere. And then the cyclists appear,
cheered by all the people who've rushed out of their homes to find
out what all that brigade of motorcycle cops is doing.
Well, to the point.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone
sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not
recognised by the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
Ask in an Android newsgroup?
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not recognised by
the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
Just like the phone needs to be configured to enable file transfer move
via USB, you need to use a /full/ USB cable. A charge-only USB cable
only has the +5V and ground lines. You want a USB cable that also has
the 2 differential signal lines for data transfer.
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote
In summary, if the Android phone is making a sound, and if the OP
has no idea what is making that sound, I'd suspect notifications.
Of course, as I think more about how to help the OP, it could be he's
saying the PC made the notification sound... and not the Android...
Sigh...
In _that_ case, I'd use what I consider the best USB debugger alive
where Paul was the first person to suggest this most excellent tool!
<https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html>
Although VanguardLH suggests this seemingly equally good USB debugger.
<https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html>
The debugging steps I'd suggest in that case, for the OP, might be
1. Shut down the PC & remove all possible USB connections
2. Boot the PC without the Android phone being connected by USB
3. Run the free USB debuggers listed above
4. Plug in the Android phone and watch what changes in the debuggers
5. Install the OEM drivers for the Android phone (see list below).
6. Do the process all over again and see if the OEM drivers help out.
This could find hardware problems (e.g., in the USB cable or in the port being used on the PC) which are related to _both_ the OP's issues.
a. The phone isn't recognized on the PC, and,
b. The PC is making the ding (if that's what is making the ding that is).
Here (again) are the list of OEM drivers (with a few additional links annotated with a dash in front as I had missed them on the first pass).
Acer -> https://www.acer.com/worldwide/support/
Alcatel -> https://www.alcatelmobile.com/support/
- Amazon -> https://developer.amazon.com/docs/fire-tablets/connecting-adb-to-device.html
Asus -> https://www.asus.com/support/Download-Center/
Blackberry -> https://swdownloads.blackberry.com/Downloads/entry.do?code=4EE0932F46276313B51570F46266A608
Dell -> https://support.dell.com/support/downloads/index.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=anavml
- Essential <https://storage.googleapis.com/essential-static/Essential-PH1-WindowsDrivers.exe>
FCNT -> https://www.fcnt.com/support/develop/#anc-03
- Fujitsu -> http://spf.fmworld.net/fujitsu/c/develop/sp/android/
- Google -> https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb
- Honor -> https://www.hihonor.com/global/support/suite/
HTC -> https://www.htc.com/support
Huawei -> https://consumer.huawei.com/en/support/index.htm
Intel -> https://www.intel.com/software/android
Kyocera -> https://kyoceramobile.com/support/drivers/
Lenovo -> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/GlobalProductSelector
LGE -> https://www.lg.com/us/support/software-firmware
Motorola -> https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/88481/
MTK -> http://online.mediatek.com/Public%20Documents/MTK_Android_USB_Driver.zip
- Nokia -> When you connect a Nokia phone to your PC, you should see a virtual CD-ROM drive that contains the driver installer.
- Nvidia -> https://developer.nvidia.com/shield-open-source
- OnePlus -> When you connect a OnePlus phone to your PC, you should see a virtual CD-ROM drive that contains the driver installer.
- Razer -> https://s3.amazonaws.com/cheryl-factory-images/How_to_Install_Android_Fastboot_Drivers_on_Windows.pdf
- RealMe -> https://www.realme.com/in/support/software-update
Samsung -> https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy/others/android-usb-driver-for-windows
Sharp -> http://k-tai.sharp.co.jp/support/
Sony -> https://developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/drivers/
Toshiba -> https://support.toshiba.com/sscontent?docId=4001814
- Umidigi -> https://www.umidigi.com/page-Download.html
Xiaomi -> https://web.vip.miui.com/page/info/mio/mio/detail?postId=18464849&app_version=dev.20051
ZTE -> http://support.zte.com.cn/support/news/NewsDetail.aspx?newsId=1000442
See also <https://www.xda-developers.com/download-android-usb-drivers/>
There's also a generic driver which Windows installs but I don't have a
link to it - and there is a generic Google driver also (need the links).
Searching, this seems to be the generic Google Android:Windows driver.
<https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb>
<https://dl.google.com/android/repository/usb_driver_r13-windows.zip>
Name: usb_driver_r13-windows.zip
Size: 8682039 bytes (8478 KiB)
SHA256: 360B01D3DFB6C41621A3A64AE570DFAC2C9A40CCA1B5A1F136AE90D02F5E9E0B
Which extracts to various Windows cab and dll files (a whole 'nuther story)
Searching, we all know Windows should be installing the driver automatically (plug n pray); but if not, we all know there's a series of debugging tasks.
<https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/take-back-control-driver-updates-windows-10/>
But in most cases, Windows will automatically install the correct driver.
<https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-windows-drivers-android-phone/>
I took a lengthy video on my phone yesterday, the first day of the Tour of Britain cycling race. The minutes prior to the peloton arriving were quite spectacular. A host of 20/30 motorcycle cops race up in an almost military troop, cut off all trafficleft and right, set up blocks everywhere. And then the cyclists appear, cheered by all the people who've rushed out of their homes to find out what all that brigade of motorcycle cops is doing.
Well, to the point.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not recognised by the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
Ed
Ed Cryer wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:...................
...................
Just like the phone needs to be configured to enable file transfer move
via USB, you need to use a /full/ USB cable. A charge-only USB cable
only has the +5V and ground lines. You want a USB cable that also has
the 2 differential signal lines for data transfer.
This is the one that did the trick. I used a different cable, Windows recognised phone (Alcatel 3L) and loaded drivers.
However, it says that the folder is empty.
Ed
I tried another phone, same cable, Honor 9. It installed drivers and all pictures show up in folder.
Excellent.
The only difference I can detect between the two phones is that the Alcatel has a 32GB SD card, whereas the Honor has dual SIMs.
Ed
On 9/4/2023 1:24 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:left and right, set up blocks everywhere. And then the cyclists appear, cheered by all the people who've rushed out of their homes to find out what all that brigade of motorcycle cops is doing.
I took a lengthy video on my phone yesterday, the first day of the Tour of Britain cycling race. The minutes prior to the peloton arriving were quite spectacular. A host of 20/30 motorcycle cops race up in an almost military troop, cut off all traffic
Well, to the point.
I plug the phone by USB cable into my Win10 computer, the phone sings a little song, the computer shows no sign of it.
I plug it into a TV, same little song from the phone, not recognised by the TV's media function.
I can't find what app is playing the recognition tune on the phone.
Help please.
Ed
the response is partially a security thing of sorts.
The phone is not supposed to cough up data, unless the
operator of the phone is there to supervise.
Putting the phone in data mode, and authorizing the transfer,
is what they have in mind.
Whether it makes a notification sound, well, even the Windows PC
could have made that sound ("new USB device"). But who knows what VID:PID or VEN:DEV
the phone shows to the Windows computer, on first connection.
In any case, a phone setting thing, is your next step. And
on Win10, the rest of it should be (mostly) automatic.
If you can't find a result in File Explorer, cannot find
a result in Disk Management, then the very last place to
look in Windows, is in the Device section, do a properties
or try to, on an item seen there. The Device section is
part of the Settings wheel area.
Device Manager (a separate GUI application), can also show
the existence of the Android... once the authorization
ceremony is done. But the Device Manager is only really a place
to look, if you suspect "driver failure" and "blowing a code".
And you're a long way from the fault tree right now. Nothing
has failed yet... :-)
Paul
"DCIM" is a common name for digital camera emulation of storage.
And the phone will likely "make public" the photo/video store,
and it should be visible from the Windows side.
https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-storage-folders-explained-744100/
But as to where this stuff is in various cases (SD or no SD), I
don't own one and can't tell you what is typical.
The key factor was the cable, which VanguardLH pointed out.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote
The key factor was the cable, which VanguardLH pointed out.
To be fair, I also explained it could be the cable and I even provided software debuggers which would have told you outright it was the cable.
Here's what I suggested (which would have caught _many_ USB issues).
The debugging steps I'd suggest in that case, for the OP, might be
1. Shut down the PC & remove all possible USB connections
2. Boot the PC without the Android phone being connected by USB
3. Run the free USB debuggers listed above
4. Plug in the Android phone and watch what changes in the debuggers
5. Install the OEM drivers for the Android phone (see list below).
6. Do the process all over again and see if the OEM drivers help out.
This could find hardware problems (e.g., in the USB cable or in the port being used on the PC) which are related to _both_ the OP's issues.
On 9/5/2023 6:03 AM, Paul wrote:I had a Blu phone that would put everything in main memory (of course), until you inserted an SD card. It then just
"DCIM" is a common name for digital camera emulation of storage.
And the phone will likely "make public" the photo/video store,
and it should be visible from the Windows side.
https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-storage-folders-explained-744100/ >>
But as to where this stuff is in various cases (SD or no SD), I
don't own one and can't tell you what is typical.
On my Samsung, the DCIM directory is, by default at the top level (for the user space that is) on the sdcard0 card.
The first time you use the camera, it asks if you want to use external storage.
Once you say yes, the DCIM directory is at the top level of the sdcard1.
Different camera apps work differently, as you noted.
Different camera apps work differently, as you noted.
I had a Blu phone that would put everything in main memory
(of course), until you inserted an SD card. It then just
started using the SD card for a lot of things, downloads
and camera were two of the first things I saw.
It left the old folder in main, but made new ones.
Kinda confusing but nice that it move a good number of items over.
This could find hardware problems (e.g., in the USB cable or in the port
being used on the PC) which are related to _both_ the OP's issues.
Thanks, pal. I think you overwhelmed me with a vast quantity of help,
but I can see you had the answer too.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote
This could find hardware problems (e.g., in the USB cable or in the port >>> being used on the PC) which are related to _both_ the OP's issues.
Thanks, pal. I think you overwhelmed me with a vast quantity of help,
but I can see you had the answer too.
I'm not a normal Usenet poster who is normally here for their amusement.
I'm here to edify and to learn.
When I learn, I learn from helpful people who are smarter than I am, such
as Paul and wasbit and Stan Brown and Herbert Kleebauer and Andy Burns.
When I edify, it's to write up as completely as I can, how people who
aren't as smart as those guys are, can do the things those guys can do.
You'll note that I make generous use of the Google-archived newsgroups. There's a reason for that (i.e., it's permanently archived).
<http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
The purpose is to leverage the appreciable expense of effort to many!
That way the few people who know how to run a Google Usenet-article search can find the data, now and far into the future - but also the less informed who only know how to run a "normal" Google search find the data also.
Many (many!) times, for example, I've run a Google or DuckDuckGo or MetaGer search where the first page of hits has some of my best Usenet tutorials.
I do all this because I am a good person who cares that others get answers.
There are few NGs these days that are worthwhile; so many are flooded
with spam and trolling.
This one is among a few of the better ones.
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 9/4/2023 1:24 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
I can plug HDs and memory sticks into the TV and they're recognised.
Maybe a micro-USB to HDMI cable would play directly onto the TV. But not needed, because I have an Apple TV device and I can pass files into it
from the PC wirelessly.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote
This could find hardware problems (e.g., in the USB cable or in the port >>> being used on the PC) which are related to _both_ the OP's issues.
Thanks, pal. I think you overwhelmed me with a vast quantity of help,
but I can see you had the answer too.
I'm not a normal...
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device',
which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you
have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real)
computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which
gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
I can plug HDs and memory sticks into the TV and they're recognised.
Maybe a micro-USB to HDMI cable would play directly onto the TV. But not needed, because I have an Apple TV device and I can pass files into it
from the PC wirelessly.
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means
you have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real)
computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which
gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a
phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device',
which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real)
computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a
phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
I can plug HDs and memory sticks into the TV and they're recognised.
Maybe a micro-USB to HDMI cable would play directly onto the TV. But not needed, because I have an Apple TV device and I can pass files into it
from the PC wirelessly.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
I can plug HDs and memory sticks into the TV and they're recognised.
Maybe a micro-USB to HDMI cable would play directly onto the TV. But not
needed, because I have an Apple TV device and I can pass files into it
from the PC wirelessly.
Windows and Android support PTP and MTP to transfer files. TVs want
just a storage device to find files. They aren't transferring files.
Some TVs have limited support on their USB ports, like FAT32, 2 TB max
volume size, and only show limited filetypes of photo files, but won't
show movies. They expect the USB device to be a mass storage device,
not trying to transfer files between TV and USB device. My TV's USB
port is like that: 2TB max FAT32 volume, storage device (not media
transfer), and photos only. The fix was to attached the 4TB HDD USB
drive to my Blueray player's USB port. The BD player connects to the TV using HDMI. The much cheaper BD player had a much smarter USB port than
does my "smart" TV.
You found your own workaround. Another would be to use a Chromecast,
Roku, or other media player, that plugs into the HDMI port on the TV.
Some TVs have built-in Chromecast support, but you still have to use the
HDMI port on the TV. A smart TV is not a computer. It's a mess.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device',
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three. >>>
which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you >>> have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real)
computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which
gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a
phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When
unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their
code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was
way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if
the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection
(in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had
MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all
three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage
device',
which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage'
mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it
means you have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and
the (real) computer - *both* trying to control access to the
storage medium, which gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss,
etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as
a phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control.
When unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their
code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage
was way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily'
corrupted if the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the
USB-connection (in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to
the computer.
Never happened to me.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems
had
MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my
linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device',
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three. >>>
which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode >>> for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you >>> have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real)
computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which >>> gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a
phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When
unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their
code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if
the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection
(in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer.
Never happened to me.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my
linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
Hey, man, this discussion is looking more and more like one conducted
in an iPhone/ iPad group. I'm used to and inured to those; Apple's ring-fencing is ancient news. But Windows has always shouted
"open-ended" to me. I can only assume that MS are restricted here by
Google's lawyers and bullies.
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
I can plug HDs and memory sticks into the TV and they're recognised.
Maybe a micro-USB to HDMI cable would play directly onto the TV. But not >> needed, because I have an Apple TV device and I can pass files into it
from the PC wirelessly.
Windows and Android support PTP and MTP to transfer files. TVs want
just a storage device to find files. They aren't transferring files.
Some TVs have limited support on their USB ports, like FAT32, 2 TB max volume size, and only show limited filetypes of photo files, but won't
show movies. They expect the USB device to be a mass storage device,
not trying to transfer files between TV and USB device. My TV's USB
port is like that: 2TB max FAT32 volume, storage device (not media transfer), and photos only. The fix was to attached the 4TB HDD USB
drive to my Blueray player's USB port. The BD player connects to the TV using HDMI. The much cheaper BD player had a much smarter USB port than does my "smart" TV.
You found your own workaround. Another would be to use a Chromecast,
Roku, or other media player, that plugs into the HDMI port on the TV.
Some TVs have built-in Chromecast support, but you still have to use the HDMI port on the TV. A smart TV is not a computer. It's a mess.
Hey, man, this discussion is looking more and more like one conducted in
an iPhone/ iPad group.
I'm used to and inured to those; Apple's ring-fencing is ancient news.
But Windows has always shouted "open-ended" to me.
I can only assume that MS are restricted here by Google's lawyers and bullies.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device', >>>>> which the (smart)phone isn't.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three. >>>>>
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode >>>>> for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you >>>>> have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real)
computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which >>>>> gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a >>>> phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When
unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their
code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was
way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if
the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection
(in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer.
Never happened to me.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had >>> MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my
linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
Yes, it was just a joke. On Linux MTP support was probably 'third
party', but on Linux, nearly everything is 'third party', where 'third
party' means exactly that, not part of Linux itself, but probably
include in most distributions.
For Mac, MTP support was and AFAIK is 'real' third party, i.e. it's
not included with the OS and you have to get it from somewhere.
On 2023-09-07 06:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device', >>>>> which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you
have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real) >>>>> computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which >>>>> gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a >>>> phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When >>>> unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their >>> code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was >>> way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if >>> the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection >>> (in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer.
Never happened to me.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had >>> MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my
linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
Yes, it was just a joke. On Linux MTP support was probably 'third party', but on Linux, nearly everything is 'third party', where 'third party' means exactly that, not part of Linux itself, but probably
include in most distributions.
It is simply not part of the kernel, but implemented on userland.
Meaning, the desktop software does it (the file browser most likely).
There is also a CLI implementation.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-07 06:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device', >>>>>>> which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you
have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real) >>>>>>> computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which >>>>>>> gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a >>>>>> phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When >>>>>> unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their >>>>> code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was >>>>> way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if >>>>> the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection >>>>> (in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer.
Never happened to me.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had
MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my
linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
Yes, it was just a joke. On Linux MTP support was probably 'third
party', but on Linux, nearly everything is 'third party', where 'third
party' means exactly that, not part of Linux itself, but probably
include in most distributions.
It is simply not part of the kernel, but implemented on userland.
Meaning, the desktop software does it (the file browser most likely).
There is also a CLI implementation.
Yes, that's what I meant. My comment was partly tongue-in-cheek, but strictly speaking, for some, anything not part of the kernel isn't
'Linux'.
'GNU/Linux naming controversy' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU%2FLinux_naming_controversy>
FWIW, I've no axe to grind either way, but I must confess that I enjoy rattling cages for 'sensitive' issues like this.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-07 06:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device', >>>>>>> which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you
have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real) >>>>>>> computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which >>>>>>> gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the
computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a >>>>>> phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When >>>>>> unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their >>>>> code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was >>>>> way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if >>>>> the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection >>>>> (in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer.
Never happened to me.
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had >>>>> MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my
linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
Yes, it was just a joke. On Linux MTP support was probably 'third
party', but on Linux, nearly everything is 'third party', where 'third
party' means exactly that, not part of Linux itself, but probably
include in most distributions.
It is simply not part of the kernel, but implemented on userland.
Meaning, the desktop software does it (the file browser most likely).
There is also a CLI implementation.
Yes, that's what I meant. My comment was partly tongue-in-cheek, but strictly speaking, for some, anything not part of the kernel isn't
'Linux'.
'GNU/Linux naming controversy' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU%2FLinux_naming_controversy>
FWIW, I've no axe to grind either way, but I must confess that I enjoy rattling cages for 'sensitive' issues like this.
[Full text left, in case the answer lies in there.]
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three. >>>>
I can plug HDs and memory sticks into the TV and they're recognised.
Maybe a micro-USB to HDMI cable would play directly onto the TV. But not >>>> needed, because I have an Apple TV device and I can pass files into it >>>> from the PC wirelessly.
Windows and Android support PTP and MTP to transfer files. TVs want
just a storage device to find files. They aren't transferring files.
Some TVs have limited support on their USB ports, like FAT32, 2 TB max
volume size, and only show limited filetypes of photo files, but won't
show movies. They expect the USB device to be a mass storage device,
not trying to transfer files between TV and USB device. My TV's USB
port is like that: 2TB max FAT32 volume, storage device (not media
transfer), and photos only. The fix was to attached the 4TB HDD USB
drive to my Blueray player's USB port. The BD player connects to the TV >>> using HDMI. The much cheaper BD player had a much smarter USB port than >>> does my "smart" TV.
You found your own workaround. Another would be to use a Chromecast,
Roku, or other media player, that plugs into the HDMI port on the TV.
Some TVs have built-in Chromecast support, but you still have to use the >>> HDMI port on the TV. A smart TV is not a computer. It's a mess.
Hey, man, this discussion is looking more and more like one conducted in
an iPhone/ iPad group.
I'm used to and inured to those; Apple's ring-fencing is ancient news.
But Windows has always shouted "open-ended" to me.
I can only assume that MS are restricted here by Google's lawyers and
bullies.
Can you please elaborate on what you mean here?
Windows *is* "open-ended" in the sense that it (obviously) supports
MTP (and PTP). (Apple does not support MTP (only PTP) on its iPhones and
does not support MTP on macOS (needs third party software).)
So, in what way is Microsoft or/and Windows "restricted" and why would
that restriction have anything to do with Google?
"Inquiring minds want to know."
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
Hey, man, this discussion is looking more and more like one conducted
in an iPhone/ iPad group. I'm used to and inured to those; Apple's
ring-fencing is ancient news. But Windows has always shouted
"open-ended" to me. I can only assume that MS are restricted here by
Google's lawyers and bullies.
You moved the discussion (subthread) from connecting an Android phone to
a Windows 10 host to connecting an Android phone to an unidentified television. Whether it be Windows or Android, smart TVs don't run
either OS in their full (bloated) form, and often run a completely
different OS. Even when they run a common OS, those are customized and stripped down. Similarly, many cash registers still run Windows 98, but
a stripped down version (aka Windows IoT aka Windows Embedded; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_IoT). As the cash register boots
up, you might glimpse the Windows startup screen. You don't get a
glimpse of what OS a TV uses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_TV_platforms
On 9/7/2023 1:00 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-07 06:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-06 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:Never happened to me.
On 2023-09-06 10:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
[...]
I tried it into my TV's USB port.
The phone gave me three options;
1. USB charging
2. Transfers files
3. Transfer photos & videos
The TV's media function gave me "no USB device attached" for all three.
That's because the TV wants to see a (USB) 'mass storage device',
which the (smart)phone isn't.
In old Android versions, Android used to have a 'mass storage' mode
for the USB connection, but that was later removed, because it means you
have two 'computers' (controllers) - the smartphone and the (real) >>>>>>>> computer - *both* trying to control access to the storage medium, which
gives all kinds of (corruption, data loss, etc.) problems.
Corruption was avoided by the phone giving control totally to the >>>>>>> computer xor totally to the phone. Thus the phone stopped working as a >>>>>>> phone for the duration, and did not exercise permission control. When >>>>>>> unplugged, the phone had to mount and rescan the storage.
Well, at the time, I had several/many apps which had part of their >>>>>> code on the SD-card - "Move to SD card" - (because Internal storage was >>>>>> way, way too small) and I can tell you they got 'happily' corrupted if >>>>>> the SD-card wasn't *manually* unmounted before using the USB-connection >>>>>> (in 'mass storage' (or whatever was the term) mode) to the computer. >>>>>
It was broken-by-design and was removed when most Windows systems had
MTP support. (Never mind the Mac and Linux users! :-))
Probably I updated the phone late, so I was not affected by this, my >>>>> linux supported mtp when I needed it :-)
Yes, it was just a joke. On Linux MTP support was probably 'third
party', but on Linux, nearly everything is 'third party', where 'third >>>> party' means exactly that, not part of Linux itself, but probably
include in most distributions.
It is simply not part of the kernel, but implemented on userland.
Meaning, the desktop software does it (the file browser most likely).
There is also a CLI implementation.
Yes, that's what I meant. My comment was partly tongue-in-cheek, but
strictly speaking, for some, anything not part of the kernel isn't
'Linux'.
'GNU/Linux naming controversy'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU%2FLinux_naming_controversy>
FWIW, I've no axe to grind either way, but I must confess that I enjoy
rattling cages for 'sensitive' issues like this.
You can mount a device using MTPfs, which might be FUSE based.
Otherwise, there might be some sort of separate dialog for it.
I don't have any MTP (no smartphone, no MTP camera, only
a USB Mass Storage camera), so I can't test and tell you how
easy this is.
MTP supports DRM (the "DoNotCopy" bit).
USB Mass Storage does not, and USB Mass Storage should always work.
With my camera, I could copy a Hollywood file into DCIM and
it would not care (not that this operation serves any purpose).
I do not know, in the Linux case, what "features" the MTP support, chooses to include.
If you check Wiki, MTP is a poorly-performing protocol, for which
Google attempted to add a few more options to improve the granularity.
I would not, for example, choose to work on large directories with it.
When mounted as MTPfs in Linux, it's just possible it could cache
directory access and work a bit better. Maybe Carlos knows. But
when not treated as a "filesystem", the protocol tends to be
"dumb and uncached".
I changed cable and everything fell into place.
Now, the cables were unmarked. The one I first used I've been using
daily for years to charge phones.
OK, so I changed cables, then Windows 10 loaded valid and well written drivers for two different phones, and the whole storage of the phones
became available.
But I plug the phones into Samsung, Panasonic and JVC TVs and no go.
Android into those systems fails; just as it does into Apple products.
And who owns Android? Google does; they bought it in 2005.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
Hey, man, this discussion is looking more and more like one conducted
in an iPhone/ iPad group. I'm used to and inured to those; Apple's
ring-fencing is ancient news. But Windows has always shouted
"open-ended" to me. I can only assume that MS are restricted here by
Google's lawyers and bullies.
You moved the discussion (subthread) from connecting an Android phone to >>> a Windows 10 host to connecting an Android phone to an unidentified
television. Whether it be Windows or Android, smart TVs don't run
either OS in their full (bloated) form, and often run a completely
different OS. Even when they run a common OS, those are customized and
stripped down. Similarly, many cash registers still run Windows 98, but >>> a stripped down version (aka Windows IoT aka Windows Embedded;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_IoT). As the cash register boots
up, you might glimpse the Windows startup screen. You don't get a
glimpse of what OS a TV uses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_TV_platforms
My case here is more than revelatory.
I changed cable and everything fell into place.
Now, the cables were unmarked. The one I first used I've been using
daily for years to charge phones.
OK, so I changed cables, then Windows 10 loaded valid and well written
drivers for two different phones, and the whole storage of the phones
became available.
But I plug the phones into Samsung, Panasonic and JVC TVs and no go.
Android into those systems fails; just as it does into Apple products.
And who owns Android? Google does; they bought it in 2005.
(IMO,) There's no conspiracy, just technical limitations.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, an Android phone can no longer be
made to look like a 'mass storage device' (i.e. similar to a USB memory-stick, a (SD) memory-card, USB HDD/SSD, etc.), because of the
'two computers/controllers (smartphone and TV) trying to control/access
the same storage' problem.
The TVs *do* support 'mass storage devices', but do *not* support MTP.
Result: Catch-22.
Could the TVs implement MTP support? Of course they could. Is that Google's fault? Of course not, Google doesn't hold the IP of MTP. If
anybody does, it's Microsoft which holds that IP, but AFAIK, MTP is more
or less open and royalty-free, but feel free to check [1].
Bottom line: 'Just' convince Samsung, Panasonic, JVC et al, to
implement MTP support and Bob's your uncle! :-)
[1] 'Media Transfer Protocol' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol>
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
Hey, man, this discussion is looking more and more like one conducted
in an iPhone/ iPad group. I'm used to and inured to those; Apple's
ring-fencing is ancient news. But Windows has always shouted
"open-ended" to me. I can only assume that MS are restricted here by
Google's lawyers and bullies.
You moved the discussion (subthread) from connecting an Android phone to
a Windows 10 host to connecting an Android phone to an unidentified television. Whether it be Windows or Android, smart TVs don't run
either OS in their full (bloated) form, and often run a completely different OS. Even when they run a common OS, those are customized and stripped down. Similarly, many cash registers still run Windows 98, but
a stripped down version (aka Windows IoT aka Windows Embedded; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_IoT). As the cash register boots
up, you might glimpse the Windows startup screen. You don't get a
glimpse of what OS a TV uses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_TV_platforms
My case here is more than revelatory.
I changed cable and everything fell into place.
Now, the cables were unmarked. The one I first used I've been using
daily for years to charge phones.
OK, so I changed cables, then Windows 10 loaded valid and well written drivers for two different phones, and the whole storage of the phones
became available.
But I plug the phones into Samsung, Panasonic and JVC TVs and no go.
Android into those systems fails; just as it does into Apple products.
And who owns Android? Google does; they bought it in 2005.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
I changed cable and everything fell into place.
Now, the cables were unmarked. The one I first used I've been using
daily for years to charge phones.
When I got a phone that supplied a charge-only cable, I tossed the cable
into the trash, and replaced with a full USB cable. A full cable will
do charging, but also carries the signal lines. I don't remember ever
seeing any marking on the charge-only USB cable labelling its
limitation. I didn't keep the charge-only cables just in case I got
screwed later picking the wrong type of cable out of the storage drawer.
OK, so I changed cables, then Windows 10 loaded valid and well written
drivers for two different phones, and the whole storage of the phones
became available.
Actually no driver per se is involved. The Android and Windows already support MTP, and an .inf file is used to define the mass storage device.
For the vast majority of USB devices, an .inf file is used. Windows
already comes bundled with lots of .inf file; else, you have to get the
one provided by the hardware vendor. Windows has always come bundled
with lots of drivers, but eventually MS switch to INF files which used a common driver file, like usb.inf.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/install/overview-of-inf-files
.inf files are text files, so you can use a text editor to view them.
I've had to do this when searching for which .inf file applied to which device.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INF_file
Only because the drives on the Android phone appear as mass storage
devices is why Windows can already handle that USB device. If you want
to do more, like mirror the Android phone's screen to a Windows host,
you typically have to install the ADB (Android DeBug) driver on Windows,
and enable USB Debug mode on the phone. Likely the drives accessed via
USB on the Android phone will have Windows use the usb.inf file that it
uses for most mass storage devices. Handling mass storage devices is automatic. Doing more with the Android phone on Windows takes more
manual intervention by the user.
But I plug the phones into Samsung, Panasonic and JVC TVs and no go.
Android into those systems fails; just as it does into Apple products.
And who owns Android? Google does; they bought it in 2005.
Alas a brand of TV may not use the same OS across all models, or even
for submodels, by that brand. Samsung may use Viewd (aka Opera TV),
Roku OS, Yahoo! Smart TV (aka Yahoo! Connected TV), Shijui TV, or
Samsung's own Smart TV. These are embedded operating systems, not general-purpose OS'es, like Windows or Linux. The TV OS gets stripped
down to just what functions the TV maker wants to support, and nothing
more. They need to burn the OS into the lowest ROM factor to reduce
cost, and you'd be surprised how much the Marketing Dept can fuck up a hardware design.
Android is a modified version of a Linux kernel, and is developed by a
group of devs called Open Handset Alliance (35 members, including
Google), but the most widely use version is a distro from Google. The
OHA was established in Nov 2007. Like Chrome which is based on the open-source Chromium project with proprietary components added by
Google, Android is also an open-source project with some proprietary components added by Google, like the Play Store services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#AOSP
Google has a lot of influence, but they don't own the Android OS. In
fact, considering the amount of customization on Android by phone makers
to add/change features, and support the actual hardware of the phone,
you don't get Android OS. You get a phone maker's customized version.
There really isn't just one version of the Android OS. Also, there are de-Googled versions of Android. There are also non-Google alternatives
to Google's Play Store services. Probably due to Android being open
source (and then customized by phone makers).
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
...................
...................
Just like the phone needs to be configured to enable file transfer move
via USB, you need to use a /full/ USB cable. A charge-only USB cable
only has the +5V and ground lines. You want a USB cable that also has
the 2 differential signal lines for data transfer.
This is the one that did the trick. I used a different cable, Windows recognised phone (Alcatel 3L) and loaded drivers.
VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:...................
...................
Just like the phone needs to be configured to enable file transfer move
via USB, you need to use a /full/ USB cable. A charge-only USB cable
only has the +5V and ground lines. You want a USB cable that also has
the 2 differential signal lines for data transfer.
This is the one that did the trick. I used a different cable, Windows recognised phone (Alcatel 3L) and loaded drivers.
However, it says that the folder is empty.
Ed
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