• Dual boot 10/11

    From Newyana2@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 09:02:28 2023
    Anyone doing this? I got the free Win11 update so
    that I can test my software. I've always used BootIt
    for easy multibooting, but I'm not really familiar with
    BCD. With XP I just had to make sure boot.ini was
    pointing to the right partition and BootIt would figure
    out the rest.

    At this point I got Win11 booting OK by taking out BootIt,
    but it doesn't seem to see the Win10 disk image that
    I put back (next to the Win11 partition) after the update.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 13:48:07 2023
    On 9/1/2023 9:02 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
    Anyone doing this? I got the free Win11 update so
    that I can test my software. I've always used BootIt
    for easy multibooting, but I'm not really familiar with
    BCD. With XP I just had to make sure boot.ini was
    pointing to the right partition and BootIt would figure
    out the rest.

    At this point I got Win11 booting OK by taking out BootIt,
    but it doesn't seem to see the Win10 disk image that
    I put back (next to the Win11 partition) after the update.

    I have exactly that. For convenience in looking at W10/W11 issues,
    my daily driver boot disk has W11HOME and W10Pro .

    I may have had to use this at some point. It seemed to work
    better in the past. The boot menu now, needs the occasional
    fixup.

    bcdboot c:\Windows

    bcdboot e:\Windows

    If the BCD file (for boot menu -- a registry file inside)
    only has the one boot entry, you can use a command like
    that to add the second OS. So if E: was missing, you could
    use the second command to add E: to the menu.

    bcdedit # Dump current file, see one boot entry is present.
    # This prints a text summary on the screen, not the binary inside.
    # If you just install W11, then the menu probably has W11 and the
    # W10 entry has gone missing.

    bcdboot e:\Windows # Add second OS (missing in action after second install)
    # While the second OS install is supposed to pick up both OSes when
    # it builds a menu, more often than not, it screws up.

    bcdedit # Verify to your satisfaction, that there are two boot entries.

    The "regular" menu, uses the big square icons for the OS selection. You
    will see this for the first time, when the two OSes need a choice-point for selection.

    If you do this, it puts a WinXP era "text on black screen" boot menu.
    You can do this any time, like right now.

    bcdedit /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu True

    Now, while you might laugh at the concept of a text boot screen, consider this.

    The tile-based boot menu, will do a "double-reboot" if you select the non-default OS.
    This is *very* annoying. The text boot screen, does not do that. Whether you select
    the W10 OS or the W11 OS, it only executes the boot sequence the one time.

    This assumes minimal cleverness on your part. If you are using "fast start" or if you're using BitLocker encryption, what the Tile Menu is doing, is
    probably a correct technical approach. However, in uncomplicated startup situations, it does not have the conditional logic to "not do stupid stuff". Which annoys me to no end. That is why my DisplayBootMenu is True.

    *******

    bcdboot has one other option, but this may be applicable in cases where
    you're using MSDOS partitioning, instead of GPT partitioning.

    bcdboot c:\Windows /s C:

    What that does, is copy some boot files to the C: drive.

    On a GPT partitioned disk, the first partition is EFI System Partition
    or ESP, and it would be the location of the boot files. And it does not
    have a drive letter. Consequently, on a GPT disk, I just use this

    bcdboot c:\Windows

    for want of a better solution.

    This is my GPT-partitioned boot drive on this machine.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/x14RdRn0/dual-boot-daily-driver.gif

    *******

    On your Win10 partition, use this to lock the partition to

    W10 22H2

    so the W11 upgrade won't come in.

    https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm

    You can boot W11 install media (from the popup boot menu in the BIOS),
    in a matching mode to your current setup (UEFI boot for a GPT install),
    and install W11 next to W10 like in my disk layout in the picture.
    When doing the install, select "Custom" so you have control
    of the layout and make an OS size you like. The "disk shrink"
    can only shrink a partition in Disk Management, to 50%,
    so if you didn't use "Custom" and just let the automation
    do it, the new OS partition might be too large to easily shrink later.

    *******

    Do a full disk backup with Macrium, before starting this sequence.
    If you're new to Dual Booting, you should always drive with the
    training wheels on. It may take more than one attempt to get
    things exactly as you want them. A restore from a Macrium backup
    is a lot better than other options (like waiting for a failed
    install to "unroll").

    My setup, is a clone from a smaller drive to a larger drive, which
    is why it has all that space on the end. With my setups, you never know
    how many manipulations and experiments they've been through :-)
    And occasionally I've lost an entire drive to an experiment -- that
    is why I'm telling you about backups. Experience.

    Paul

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Sep 1 16:43:22 2023
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | I may have had to use this at some point. It seemed to work
    | better in the past. The boot menu now, needs the occasional
    | fixup.
    |
    | bcdboot c:\Windows
    |
    | bcdboot e:\Windows
    |

    Thanks. I don't understand where you get those drive letters.
    My only experience with BCDEdit so far has been a bootit
    version that give me a UI. It shows Win11, but the location
    is given as the partition I named "Win11". What I have is
    System, the small second partition, invisible Win10, then
    Win11. Bootit's tool allows me to add to the boot listing but
    it doesn't seem to offer and option to add an OS and the
    entries it does allow are mostly code words that I haven't
    figured out.

    So how did you arrive at c and e for your bootable partitions?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 18:42:50 2023
    On 9/1/2023 4:43 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | I may have had to use this at some point. It seemed to work
    | better in the past. The boot menu now, needs the occasional
    | fixup.
    |
    | bcdboot c:\Windows
    |
    | bcdboot e:\Windows
    |

    Thanks. I don't understand where you get those drive letters.
    My only experience with BCDEdit so far has been a bootit
    version that give me a UI. It shows Win11, but the location
    is given as the partition I named "Win11". What I have is
    System, the small second partition, invisible Win10, then
    Win11. Bootit's tool allows me to add to the boot listing but
    it doesn't seem to offer and option to add an OS and the
    entries it does allow are mostly code words that I haven't
    figured out.

    So how did you arrive at c and e for your bootable partitions?

    Look in Disk Management, at the letters, for inspiration.

    Mine are actually C: and H: in the example picture provided.

    Compare my disk layout in the picture, to the BCD output also in the picture. You can see how the BCD happens to have used drive letters as identifiers.

    I probably assigned H: at some point, to keep clear of some other
    connected disk.

    I don't normally have a DVD drive, as my DVD is a USB setup and switched
    off when not needed.

    Yours could be C: and E:, if you have a DVD drive perhaps.

    *******

    I changed out my power supply (because the other one was reading 11.6V)
    and my power from the wall dropped 14W, and that's the efficiency
    improvement of the newer one. You don't get a free lunch like
    that every day.

    Paul

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 21:52:22 2023
    | > "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | >
    | > So how did you arrive at c and e for your bootable partitions?
    |
    | Look in Disk Management, at the letters, for inspiration.
    |
    | Mine are actually C: and H: in the example picture provided.
    |

    Ah. I see. I wwas expecting partitions numbered based
    on disk layout. Thanks. I'll try that.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 10:04:29 2023
    On 01/09/2023 14:02, Newyana2 wrote:
    Anyone doing this? I got the free Win11 update so
    that I can test my software. I've always used BootIt
    for easy multibooting, but I'm not really familiar with
    BCD. With XP I just had to make sure boot.ini was
    pointing to the right partition and BootIt would figure
    out the rest.

    At this point I got Win11 booting OK by taking out BootIt,
    but it doesn't seem to see the Win10 disk image that
    I put back (next to the Win11 partition) after the update.


    Yep.
    Windows 8.1 on an NVMe M.2 drive & Windows 10 & Windows 11 on another, partitioned, NVMe M.2 drive.
    Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to wasbit on Sat Sep 2 07:41:50 2023
    "wasbit" <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote

    | Windows 8.1 on an NVMe M.2 drive & Windows 10 & Windows 11 on another,
    | partitioned, NVMe M.2 drive.
    | Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    | - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    |

    Thanks. I just downloaded that. Hopefully it will work. So
    much more complicated than boot.ini. Apparently with its
    own curly bracket language. And the hardware...
    NVMe and M.2 are the same thing? I seem to have an
    M.2 card but wasn't clear what it does. And I know
    the drive is NVMe. I thought the M.2
    was a kind of connector component. So M.2 is the actual
    connection and NVMe connects to that? My Asus manual
    shows how to replace the M.2 card and how to replace
    the SATA SSD. But it didn't tell me what the M.2 card was!

    In reality I have the M.2 and no SATA
    SSD. There's a spot for SATA, but it requires a custom FFC
    adapter cable that's SATA on one end and a tiny 10-pin
    connector on the other. It seems Asus doesn't want me
    adding a second drive. I've been doing backups by
    connecting an SATA-USB gadget with an SATA SSD
    plugged into it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 09:08:09 2023
    On 9/2/2023 7:41 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
    "wasbit" <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote

    | Windows 8.1 on an NVMe M.2 drive & Windows 10 & Windows 11 on another,
    | partitioned, NVMe M.2 drive.
    | Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    | - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    |

    Thanks. I just downloaded that. Hopefully it will work. So
    much more complicated than boot.ini. Apparently with its
    own curly bracket language. And the hardware...
    NVMe and M.2 are the same thing? I seem to have an
    M.2 card but wasn't clear what it does. And I know
    the drive is NVMe. I thought the M.2
    was a kind of connector component. So M.2 is the actual
    connection and NVMe connects to that? My Asus manual
    shows how to replace the M.2 card and how to replace
    the SATA SSD. But it didn't tell me what the M.2 card was!

    In reality I have the M.2 and no SATA
    SSD. There's a spot for SATA, but it requires a custom FFC
    adapter cable that's SATA on one end and a tiny 10-pin
    connector on the other. It seems Asus doesn't want me
    adding a second drive. I've been doing backups by
    connecting an SATA-USB gadget with an SATA SSD
    plugged into it.


    There's some examples here. Two slots on the SATA M.2, one slot
    on the NVMe (PCi Express) M.2 .

    https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/two-types-m2-vs-ssd

    And M.2 connector size, is also capable of being used for Wifi modules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

    it is just a delightfully annoying interface.

    https://superuser.com/questions/1303299/can-you-connect-an-m-2-sata-to-an-m-2-nvme-port

    Paul

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Sep 2 10:36:50 2023
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | There's some examples here. Two slots on the SATA M.2, one slot
    | on the NVMe (PCi Express) M.2 .
    |
    | https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/two-types-m2-vs-ssd
    |
    | And M.2 connector size, is also capable of being used for Wifi modules.

    So I have an M.2 SSD. Goodness knows where they put
    the RAM. My expertise pretty much stops at those cutting
    edge SATA cables coming off a PC motherboard. It seems
    only yesterday that I was replacing IDE and feeling like I
    was stepping into the future.

    It looks like I could buy an adapter cable to add a normal
    SSD to my Asus K712E. I'd like to ask your opinion on that.
    Would the power supply be able to handle it? (I don't care
    about battery time. I usually plug it in.) Or is the SATA
    SSD "bay" just left over when they switched to NVMe?
    I came with an empty tray for a 2.5" SSD and with no cable,
    but it looks like I could buy a cable:

    https://www.amazon.com/Deal4GO-10-pin-04022-00060100-Replacement-X515DA/dp/B09R4TB7WL



    |
    | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2
    |
    | it is just a delightfully annoying interface.
    |
    | https://superuser.com/questions/1303299/can-you-connect-an-m-2-sata-to-an-m-2-nvme-port
    |
    | Paul
    |

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  • From ...winston@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 12:27:43 2023
    Newyana2 wrote:
    "wasbit" <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote

    | Windows 8.1 on an NVMe M.2 drive & Windows 10 & Windows 11 on another,
    | partitioned, NVMe M.2 drive.
    | Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    | - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    |

    Thanks. I just downloaded that. Hopefully it will work. So
    much more complicated than boot.ini. Apparently with its
    own curly bracket language. And the hardware...
    NVMe and M.2 are the same thing? I seem to have an
    M.2 card but wasn't clear what it does. And I know
    the drive is NVMe. I thought the M.2
    was a kind of connector component. So M.2 is the actual
    connection and NVMe connects to that? My Asus manual
    shows how to replace the M.2 card and how to replace
    the SATA SSD. But it didn't tell me what the M.2 card was!

    In reality I have the M.2 and no SATA
    SSD. There's a spot for SATA, but it requires a custom FFC
    adapter cable that's SATA on one end and a tiny 10-pin
    connector on the other. It seems Asus doesn't want me
    adding a second drive. I've been doing backups by
    connecting an SATA-USB gadget with an SATA SSD
    plugged into it.


    EasyBCD should work since it can overcome the expected dual boot
    sequence that Windows prefers - install the new o/s after an earlier
    released os(to a different partition, drive)



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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to ...winston on Sat Sep 2 12:34:41 2023
    "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

    | EasyBCD should work since it can overcome the expected dual boot
    | sequence that Windows prefers - install the new o/s after an earlier
    | released os(to a different partition, drive)
    |

    I got it working. I just didn't know how to get the
    2nd OS partition recognized. Which seems odd. In older
    Windows versions, the Windows booter would take
    over and offer to boot any supported Windows version
    on disk.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to wasbit on Sat Sep 2 12:31:51 2023
    "wasbit" <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote

    | Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    | - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    |

    I got EasyBCD. Piece of cake. Yet MS only offers
    a cryptic, tedious command line. And their boot
    screen is so ugly, it looks like a DOS error screen.
    I might re-install BootIt now just so that I can
    have a nice boot screen. (It's also handy for disk
    image backups.)

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Sep 2 14:32:18 2023
    On 9/2/2023 2:22 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 10:36 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

    So I have an M.2 SSD. Goodness knows where they put
    the RAM. My expertise pretty much stops at those cutting
    edge SATA cables coming off a PC motherboard. It seems
    only yesterday that I was replacing IDE and feeling like I
    was stepping into the future.

    It looks like I could buy an adapter cable to add a normal
    SSD to my Asus K712E. I'd like to ask your opinion on that.
    Would the power supply be able to handle it? (I don't care
    about battery time. I usually plug it in.) Or is the SATA
    SSD "bay" just left over when they switched to NVMe?
    I came with an empty tray for a 2.5" SSD and with no cable,
    but it looks like I could buy a cable:

    https://www.amazon.com/Deal4GO-10-pin-04022-00060100-Replacement-X515DA/dp/B09R4TB7WL

    (forgot the approximate picture)

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/QthZN0CH/guess-as-to-assembly.gif

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 14:22:06 2023
    On 9/2/2023 10:36 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

    So I have an M.2 SSD. Goodness knows where they put
    the RAM. My expertise pretty much stops at those cutting
    edge SATA cables coming off a PC motherboard. It seems
    only yesterday that I was replacing IDE and feeling like I
    was stepping into the future.

    It looks like I could buy an adapter cable to add a normal
    SSD to my Asus K712E. I'd like to ask your opinion on that.
    Would the power supply be able to handle it? (I don't care
    about battery time. I usually plug it in.) Or is the SATA
    SSD "bay" just left over when they switched to NVMe?
    I came with an empty tray for a 2.5" SSD and with no cable,
    but it looks like I could buy a cable:

    https://www.amazon.com/Deal4GO-10-pin-04022-00060100-Replacement-X515DA/dp/B09R4TB7WL

    Like you, I would have to research this.

    You would think such a cable would be the same on all computers,
    but apparently there is at least an "A" and "B" version of cable.

    And we know why this cable isn't standardized, because this
    is "sataio.org" we're talking about. Look at the mess they
    allowed for ESATA.

    OK, so what does the drive really need. Minimum pins.
    But if you look at my diagram on the right, SATA usually has
    crosstalk-guard GND connections around the high speed diff pairs.
    On "real" SATA cables, the crosstalk wires are used as "drain wires" for
    the axial wiring.

    Minimum Actually needed (tenth pin could be PRESENCE- pin)

    GND <=== fortuitous choice for ribbon cable assembly purposes
    TX+ TX+
    TX- TX-
    RX+ GND <=== fortuitous choice for ribbon cable assembly purposes
    RX- RX+
    +5V RX-
    GND GND <=== fortuitous choice for ribbon cable assembly purposes

    +5V
    GND

    *******

    The SSD would need +5V. Around 2.5 watts is a stab at an
    average "active" power. But there can be transients,
    which can sometimes be covered by the bypass capacitor.

    A Kingston with a SandForce controller, could be 7.5W peak,
    just to put a bound on it. If I was the manufacturer and I
    placed a 2.5" sled in the machine, I would budget 1.5 amps
    from the +5V for it. Continuous operation at a level like
    that, would result in excess temperature and throttling
    until it cooled off. But percentage wise, not much of the
    market is served by SandForce controllers in SSDs, and there are
    other brands which are just as popular. SandForce, was the
    controller maker that included "wire speed compression".
    That's where the electricity goes, into compression.

    Your machine has USB ports, and that would be about 5V @ 2A load
    there. There is a reason to be installing a +5V switcher
    that runs off the battery.

    One other Vivobook, you remove all the screws holding the
    bottom plate on, then use a spudger to pry up the bottom
    metal cover. Then the upgrade area can be seen, and you
    can look to see if the motherboard has the 10-pin SATA ribbon
    cable connector or not. I can't even guess why the stupid
    cable (and adapter plate for the 7+15 connector) needs an
    "A" and "B" version. This should be so simple.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 14:34:14 2023
    On 9/2/2023 12:31 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    "wasbit" <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote

    | Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    | - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    |

    I got EasyBCD. Piece of cake. Yet MS only offers
    a cryptic, tedious command line. And their boot
    screen is so ugly, it looks like a DOS error screen.
    I might re-install BootIt now just so that I can
    have a nice boot screen. (It's also handy for disk
    image backups.)

    You have choices.

    A screen with tiles to click for an OS.

    A screen with black background and text on it (like from WinXP days).

    Those are your choices.

    Your bcdedit text output, might be able to tell
    us what you can see on the screen right now.

    Paul

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Sep 2 19:14:40 2023
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 12:31 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    "wasbit" <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote

    | Boot is controlled by EasyBCD
    | - https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    |

    I got EasyBCD. Piece of cake. Yet MS only offers
    a cryptic, tedious command line. And their boot
    screen is so ugly, it looks like a DOS error screen.
    I might re-install BootIt now just so that I can
    have a nice boot screen. (It's also handy for disk
    image backups.)

    You have choices.

    A screen with tiles to click for an OS.

    Yes, that's what Macrium Reflect uses when you tell it to Add/change
    the Windows boot menu.

    But it's indeed using *tiles*, so I doubt it will meet Newyana2's
    approval! :-)

    A screen with black background and text on it (like from WinXP days).

    Those are your choices.

    Your bcdedit text output, might be able to tell
    us what you can see on the screen right now.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Sep 2 16:04:45 2023
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | https://i.postimg.cc/QthZN0CH/guess-as-to-assembly.gif
    |

    Thanks. So it shouldn't be a problem to hook up the SSD.
    The picture you found looks about right. The technician is working
    on the NVMe/M.2 drive. To the right -- all the open
    green space -- seems to be optional RAM expansion. That's
    what the manual shows. But the basic RAM seems to be elsewhere.
    The tray is as you indicated. The connector you sqquared
    red is the power connector to the battery. The 10-pin SATA
    connector is just below the screwdriver, to the right. There
    are two small white things. The one on the left has wires
    going into it. The one on the right is the SATA connector.

    Mine is different in one major respect, though. Bottom right
    is completely filled, I assume it's all battery. It looks like they've
    taken out the battery and power connector cable.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Sep 2 16:59:17 2023
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | So if that connector and cable are a "new standard", is the
    | cable always the same length ? Maybe that is the meaning of
    | an "A" versus "B" version, instead of pinout, it's just cable length.
    |

    I don't know. I didn't see anything about A vs B. I found
    one that says it works with several Asus versions, though
    it doesn't mention the 712. Only the 4** and 5**. That was
    the only one mentioning Asus.

    I got everything working and then re-installed BootIt.
    I can't seem to get that working. It should set the relevant
    partition active and then load winload.efi, but it doesn't
    seem to work that way. With the Win10 menu it works to
    load the Windows boot manager with the path set to
    EFI...bootmgfw.efi. Nothing else works. Yet I'm speccing in
    BootIt boot manager which partition and EFI file it should
    manage. BootIt seems to be unable to get out of the SYSTEM
    partition. Not a big deal, but I don't get what the problem
    might be. It's a special version of BootIt for UEFI.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 16:47:31 2023
    On 9/2/2023 4:04 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | https://i.postimg.cc/QthZN0CH/guess-as-to-assembly.gif
    |

    Thanks. So it shouldn't be a problem to hook up the SSD.
    The picture you found looks about right. The technician is working
    on the NVMe/M.2 drive. To the right -- all the open
    green space -- seems to be optional RAM expansion. That's
    what the manual shows. But the basic RAM seems to be elsewhere.
    The tray is as you indicated. The connector you sqquared
    red is the power connector to the battery. The 10-pin SATA
    connector is just below the screwdriver, to the right. There
    are two small white things. The one on the left has wires
    going into it. The one on the right is the SATA connector.

    Mine is different in one major respect, though. Bottom right
    is completely filled, I assume it's all battery. It looks like they've
    taken out the battery and power connector cable.

    So if that connector and cable are a "new standard", is the
    cable always the same length ? Maybe that is the meaning of
    an "A" versus "B" version, instead of pinout, it's just cable length.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 01:23:58 2023
    On 9/2/2023 4:59 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

    | So if that connector and cable are a "new standard", is the
    | cable always the same length ? Maybe that is the meaning of
    | an "A" versus "B" version, instead of pinout, it's just cable length.
    |

    I don't know. I didn't see anything about A vs B. I found
    one that says it works with several Asus versions, though
    it doesn't mention the 712. Only the 4** and 5**. That was
    the only one mentioning Asus.

    I got everything working and then re-installed BootIt.
    I can't seem to get that working. It should set the relevant
    partition active and then load winload.efi, but it doesn't
    seem to work that way. With the Win10 menu it works to
    load the Windows boot manager with the path set to
    EFI...bootmgfw.efi. Nothing else works. Yet I'm speccing in
    BootIt boot manager which partition and EFI file it should
    manage. BootIt seems to be unable to get out of the SYSTEM
    partition. Not a big deal, but I don't get what the problem
    might be. It's a special version of BootIt for UEFI.

    The manual for that (bootituefi user manual), says Secure Boot is supported, so they did seem to think of that aspect.

    https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/bootituefi_en_manual.pdf

    Paul

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  • From ...winston@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 02:38:52 2023
    Newyana2 wrote:
    "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

    | EasyBCD should work since it can overcome the expected dual boot
    | sequence that Windows prefers - install the new o/s after an earlier
    | released os(to a different partition, drive)
    |

    I got it working. I just didn't know how to get the
    2nd OS partition recognized. Which seems odd. In older
    Windows versions, the Windows booter would take
    over and offer to boot any supported Windows version
    on disk.


    In older versions, Windows expected the newer os to be installed after
    and earlier o/s -allowing Windows to update the boot manager/loader with
    the correct references.
    - In UEFI, one can only boot from the Windows Boot Manager, booting is
    still performed by the boot volume.
    In UEFI/GPT
    System Volume(EFI)
    MSR(Reserved)
    Primary(Boot Volume) (the Boot Volume is the drive the o/s is installed)
    Windows Recovery


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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to ...winston on Sun Sep 3 12:41:38 2023
    "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

    | In older versions, Windows expected the newer os to be installed after
    | and earlier o/s -allowing Windows to update the boot manager/loader with
    | the correct references.
    | - In UEFI, one can only boot from the Windows Boot Manager, booting is
    | still performed by the boot volume.
    | In UEFI/GPT
    | System Volume(EFI)
    | MSR(Reserved)
    | Primary(Boot Volume) (the Boot Volume is the drive the o/s is installed)
    | Windows Recovery
    |
    Thanks. I'm afraid I was hasty, without reading directions. I didn't
    even have the UEFI BootIt help file that Paul linked. I just
    figured that BootIt would figure it out. I think I may just keep
    the Windows boot menu and save BooIt for only doing disk image
    backup and partitioning, which I don't need very often.

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