https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/microsoft_adopting_google_chromes_controversial/
Thought Microsoft would resist Google's ad-friendly tweaks to the
browser extension API? Think again
https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/microsoft_adopting_google_chromes_controversial/
Thought Microsoft would resist Google's ad-friendly tweaks to the
browser extension API? Think again
On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:
Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date. :o(
One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to define
and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test (called Web Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked from connecting
to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that includes Firefox and
its other variants) won't be able to connect. At first I thought this
was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser makers are taking it
very seriously and asking the law makers to intervene.
<https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant figures
in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about Google's
"Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web technologies.
https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/microsoft_adopting_google_chromes_controversial/
Thought Microsoft would resist Google's ad-friendly tweaks to the
browser extension API? Think again
On 2023-08-20 5:56 p.m., carl@invalid.com wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/microsoft_adopting_google_chromes_controversial/
Thought Microsoft would resist Google's ad-friendly tweaks to the
browser extension API? Think again
Use Brave.
On 2023-08-20 6:30 p.m., 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:
Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date. :o(
One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to
define and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test
(called Web Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked
from connecting to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that
includes Firefox and its other variants) won't be able to connect. At
first I thought this was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser
makers are taking it very seriously and asking the law makers to
intervene.
<https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant figures
in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about Google's
"Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web
technologies.
Like in every other sector where there is a problem, open-source will
emerge with a solution to the problem. No, not Mozilla, I'm talking
about individuals or small groups of developers.
On 2023-08-20 6:30 p.m., 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:
Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date. :o(
One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to define
and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test (called Web
Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked from connecting
to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that includes Firefox and
its other variants) won't be able to connect. At first I thought this
was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser makers are taking it
very seriously and asking the law makers to intervene.
<https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant figures
in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about Google's
"Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web technologies.
Like in every other sector where there is a problem, open-source will
emerge with a solution to the problem. No, not Mozilla, I'm talking
about individuals or small groups of developers.
On 8/21/2023 6:05 AM, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2023-08-20 6:30 p.m., 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:Like in every other sector where there is a problem, open-source will
Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date. :o(
One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to define
and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test (called Web >>> Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked from connecting
to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that includes Firefox and
its other variants) won't be able to connect. At first I thought this
was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser makers are taking it
very seriously and asking the law makers to intervene.
<https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant figures
in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about Google's
"Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web technologies. >>
emerge with a solution to the problem. No, not Mozilla, I'm talking
about individuals or small groups of developers.
Since I do not connect to the Web via Google, how will they block me?
Still running Windows 7, I set
Followup-To: alt.comp.software.firefox
On 2023-08-21 15:29, David E. Ross wrote:
Since I do not connect to the Web via Google, how will they block me?
Still running Windows 7, I set
Followup-To: alt.comp.software.firefox
That's not polite, many people (for example me) will not see the answers.
Am 22.08.23 um 16:12 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2023-08-21 15:29, David E. Ross wrote:
Since I do not connect to the Web via Google, how will they block me?
Still running Windows 7, I set
Followup-To: alt.comp.software.firefox
That's not polite, many people (for example me) will not see the answers.
It is certainly not polite to spread Firefox- or browser-issues to Windows-groups. These groups are completely OT.
I simply do not care (anymore) about Windows. Any Windose-specific
issues can be discussed where they belong and are completely redundant
in this Firefox-group. If you are interested then subscribe to this group.
X-posting to Windose-groups left intentionally untouched.
FUP2 acsf.
On 2023-08-22 11:50, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 22.08.23 um 16:12 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2023-08-21 15:29, David E. Ross wrote:
Since I do not connect to the Web via Google, how will they block me?
Still running Windows 7, I set
Followup-To: alt.comp.software.firefox
That's not polite, many people (for example me) will not see the answers.
It is certainly not polite to spread Firefox- or browser-issues to Windows-groups. These groups are completely OT.
I simply do not care (anymore) about Windows. Any Windose-specific
issues can be discussed where they belong and are completely redundant
in this Firefox-group. If you are interested then subscribe to this group.
X-posting to Windose-groups left intentionally untouched.
FUP2 acsf.
I'm not subscribed to firefox group, so put the windows groups back as I requested. Please be polite.
On 8/21/23 16:05, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2023-08-20 6:30 p.m., 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:It's also worth noting that Microsoft has no other choice then to accept Google's Manifest v3 or run a soft fork of the whole chrome project.
On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:
Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date. :o(
One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to
define and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test
(called Web Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked
from connecting to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that
includes Firefox and its other variants) won't be able to connect. At
first I thought this was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser
makers are taking it very seriously and asking the law makers to
intervene.
<https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant figures
in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about Google's
"Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web
technologies.
Like in every other sector where there is a problem, open-source will
emerge with a solution to the problem. No, not Mozilla, I'm talking
about individuals or small groups of developers.
Plus they probably don't care about the downsides of it that we, the
users, are concerned about.
The *original post* was only crossposted to the Windows 10 and
Windows 11 groups. Then ... ahum ... 'Good Guy' crossposted also to
the Firefox group and now some - like David and Jörg - mistakingly
think it should be only in the Firefox group and not in the Windows
groups.
Am 22.08.2023 um 19:15:06 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
The *original post* was only crossposted to the Windows 10 and
Windows 11 groups. Then ... ahum ... 'Good Guy' crossposted also to
the Firefox group and now some - like David and Jörg - mistakingly
think it should be only in the Firefox group and not in the Windows
groups.
He wanted to spread his spam to another group, that is the reason for
that.
Am 22.08.23 um 16:12 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2023-08-21 15:29, David E. Ross wrote:
Since I do not connect to the Web via Google, how will they block me?
Still running Windows 7, I set
Followup-To: alt.comp.software.firefox
That's not polite, many people (for example me) will not see the answers.
It is certainly not polite to spread Firefox- or browser-issues to >Windows-groups. These groups are completely OT.
I simply do not care (anymore) about Windows. Any Windose-specific
issues can be discussed where they belong and are completely redundant
in this Firefox-group. If you are interested then subscribe to this group.
X-posting to Windose-groups left intentionally untouched.
FUP2 acsf.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 11:50, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 22.08.23 um 16:12 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2023-08-21 15:29, David E. Ross wrote:It is certainly not polite to spread Firefox- or browser-issues to
Since I do not connect to the Web via Google, how will they block me? >>>>>
Still running Windows 7, I set
Followup-To: alt.comp.software.firefox
That's not polite, many people (for example me) will not see the answers. >>>
Windows-groups. These groups are completely OT.
I simply do not care (anymore) about Windows. Any Windose-specific
issues can be discussed where they belong and are completely redundant
in this Firefox-group. If you are interested then subscribe to this group. >>>
X-posting to Windose-groups left intentionally untouched.
FUP2 acsf.
I'm not subscribed to firefox group, so put the windows groups back as I
requested. Please be polite.
The situation is actually the *reverse* of what David E. Ross and Jörg Lorenz are indicating/implying:
The *original post* was only crossposted to the Windows 10 and Windows
11 groups. Then ... ahum ... 'Good Guy' crossposted also to the Firefox
group and now some - like David and Jörg - mistakingly think it should
be only in the Firefox group and not in the Windows groups.
Since the OP was about Microsoft (Edge) and Google Chrome, if anything should be cut, it's the Firefox group, not the Windows groups.
QED.
IMO Firefox won't be around in 5 years time. The stats are diabolical. Less than 3% of all users actually use Firefox and these are all using very old systems that are deemed to be insecure according to google.
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 00:01:00 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
<Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:
IMO Firefox won't be around in 5 years time. The stats are diabolical. Less than 3% of all users actually use Firefox and these are all using very old systems that are deemed to be insecure according to google.
While I use both Chrome and Firefox, I primarily use Firefox for
Youtube as I've found it better at getting around Youtube's ads -
there's nothing worse than an ad in the middle of a musical
performance!
On Mon, 08 Jan 2024 10:28:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 00:01:00 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
<Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:
IMO Firefox won't be around in 5 years time. The stats are diabolical. Less than 3% of all users actually use Firefox and these are all using very old systems that are deemed to be insecure according to google.
While I use both Chrome and Firefox, I primarily use Firefox for
Youtube as I've found it better at getting around Youtube's ads -
How do you do that?
On 09.01.24 15:02, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2024 10:28:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 00:01:00 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
<Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:
IMO Firefox won't be around in 5 years time. The stats are diabolical. Less than 3% of all users actually use Firefox and these are all using very old systems that are deemed to be insecure according to google.
While I use both Chrome and Firefox, I primarily use Firefox for
Youtube as I've found it better at getting around Youtube's ads -
How do you do that?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-for-youtube/
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I
can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:29:05 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
On 09.01.24 15:02, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2024 10:28:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 00:01:00 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
<Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:
IMO Firefox won't be around in 5 years time. The stats are diabolical. Less than 3% of all users actually use Firefox and these are all using very old systems that are deemed to be insecure according to google.
While I use both Chrome and Firefox, I primarily use Firefox for
Youtube as I've found it better at getting around Youtube's ads -
How do you do that?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-for-youtube/
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I
can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
If YouTube Premium weren't so expensive, I would use it, but $13.99 a
month is way too much.
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:29:05 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
On 09.01.24 15:02, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2024 10:28:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 00:01:00 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
<Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:
IMO Firefox won't be around in 5 years time. The stats are diabolical. Less than 3% of all users actually use Firefox and these are all using very old systems that are deemed to be insecure according to google.
While I use both Chrome and Firefox, I primarily use Firefox for
Youtube as I've found it better at getting around Youtube's ads -
How do you do that?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-for-youtube/
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I
can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
If YouTube Premium weren't so expensive, I would use it, but $13.99 a
month is way too much.
Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:29:05 +0100, hugybear@gmx.net:
. . .
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-for-youtube/
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I
can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
If YouTube Premium weren't so expensive, I would use it, but $13.99 a
month is way too much.
Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:59:55 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:29:05 +0100, hugybear@gmx.net:
. . .
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-for-youtube/
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I >>>can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
Then uninstall that and use uBlock Origin instead.
I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
. . .
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:29:05 +0100, hugybear@gmx.net:
. . .
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-for-youtube/
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I >>can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
Then uninstall that and use uBlock Origin instead.
If YouTube Premium weren't so expensive, I would use it, but $13.99 a
month is way too much.
There is no reason to subscribe to that unless there is a specific tv
series produced for YouTube Premium that you care to watch. Regular
YouTube content doesn't require a paid subscription to view.
Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
+1
Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of >Service") would be helpful
The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2 >devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
the latest release.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:36:49 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
+1
Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of
Service") would be helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zo6UfK7o7k&list=RD353DbFxtoG0&index=6
The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2
devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
the latest release.
Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:36:49 -0700, winstonmvp@gmail.com:
Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling >>>>adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
+1
Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of >>Service") would be helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zo6UfK7o7k&list=RD353DbFxtoG0&index=6
The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2 >>devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
the latest release.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:36:49 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
+1
Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of
Service") would be helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zo6UfK7o7k&list=RD353DbFxtoG0&index=6
The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2
devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
the latest release.
Ken Blake wrote on 1/10/24 4:18 PM:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:36:49 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:
Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
+1
Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of >>> Service") would be helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zo6UfK7o7k&list=RD353DbFxtoG0&index=6
The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2
devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
the latest release.
No issues, no ads for that video in FF 120.0.1 using that FF add-on >ad-blocker(Clean YouTube.
Surprisingly, opening the same url/video in SeaMonkey 2.53.18, Edge, and >Chrome opened and played the entire video without any ads - all browsers >without any ad blocking add-ons installed.
- If one clicks on another video(link on the same page) in any or these
3 browsers with no ad-block add-ons, the 'another' video starts with an >advertisement before playing the video.
Unlike FF with the ad-block add-on, clicking another video plays the >'another' video without ads or any prompting that states 'Ad blockers >violate YT'w TOS'.
Which means => just be aware that a youtube video may play without ads in >multiple different browsers on first or subsequent access even without
the installation/presence of an ad-block add-on.
Same as before, can't duplicate your reported condition...something else
at your end is obviously in play, possibly....
- one or more FF add-ons on your device conflicting with each other when >accessing youtube video
- FF settings, including your specific security ones, different than
others using FF
- Possibly conflict with items present(if using it) in your hosts file
- something else (unknown atm or without further info)
Ken Blake wrote on 1/11/24 6:47 AM:
I almost never run Edge but I just tried opening it and running
YouTube there.
No ads. I'll probably just use Edge for YouTube from now on and forget
about the problems with FireFox.
See the prior statement below>> Which means => just be aware that a
youtube video may play without ads in
multiple different browsers on first or subsequent access even without
the installation/presence of an ad-block add-on.
i.e. you will get ads in Edge operating without ad blocking add-ons or >extensions. Variation regarding ads in the YT viewing window and side
panel will and has always existed on YT.
I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I
can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.
On 8/21/23 16:05, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2023-08-20 6:30 p.m., 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:It's also worth noting that Microsoft has no other choice then to accept Google's Manifest v3 or run a soft fork of the whole chrome project.
On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:
Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date. :o(
One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to
define and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test
(called Web Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked
from connecting to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that
includes Firefox and its other variants) won't be able to connect. At
first I thought this was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser
makers are taking it very seriously and asking the law makers to
intervene.
<https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant
figures in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about
Google's "Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web
technologies.
Like in every other sector where there is a problem, open-source will
emerge with a solution to the problem. No, not Mozilla, I'm talking
about individuals or small groups of developers.
Plus they probably don't care about the downsides of it that we, the
users, are concerned about.
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