• Just a rerport about my internet connection

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 00:22:55 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am
    very curious.
    --------------

    Then a few days ago neither wifi nor cable worked,

    In Device Manager, bad icons were found for
    1) Qualcomm Atheros QCA93277 wireless network adapter -- Windows has
    dropped this device because it has rejected problems. Code 43
    2) Realtek PCIe GbE family controller - same message and code.
    3) PCI Simple Communication Controller -- The drivers for this device
    are not installed Code 28
    There are no compatible drivers for this device. HUH!!!!
    4) SM Bus Controller -- same message as line above, same code and same
    HUH!!!

    Troubleshooter reported 3 problems but didn't fix any of them.

    I tried to compare with my desktop but none of these four things were
    found in Device Manager, not even the things related to the cable
    connection!

    I didnt' ask here because for some reason on my deskptop computer, my
    newsgroup program recently stopped working -- I may ask you about that
    later -- and I have another old laptop that still accepted win10 and
    works pretty well and I was going to dig that out to compare it and to
    post with, but first....

    I google the first message and the first response was, This is a problem
    and you should return your machine to the manufactuer. Ugh. ;-)

    The second response was Disable and Enable the device, and that tooked
    15 seconds and worked fine. Doing the first one got back the wifi and
    doing the second one got back the cable connection.

    I haven't done the 3rd or 4th because it says there are no compatible
    drivers for this device. It should know.


    Do you think there is any relationship between the hinky way it was
    working, back and forth, wifi and cable, and the later failure of both?

    Or what did cause the failure of the first two?

    Do items 3 and 4 do anything I care about?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 18 22:58:59 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Aug 19 01:46:03 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/19/2023 12:22 AM, micky wrote:
    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am
    very curious.
    --------------

    Then a few days ago neither wifi nor cable worked,

    In Device Manager, bad icons were found for
    1) Qualcomm Atheros QCA93277 wireless network adapter -- Windows has dropped this device because it has rejected problems. Code 43
    2) Realtek PCIe GbE family controller - same message and code.
    3) PCI Simple Communication Controller -- The drivers for this device
    are not installed Code 28
    There are no compatible drivers for this device. HUH!!!!
    4) SM Bus Controller -- same message as line above, same code and same HUH!!!

    Troubleshooter reported 3 problems but didn't fix any of them.

    I tried to compare with my desktop but none of these four things were
    found in Device Manager, not even the things related to the cable
    connection!

    I didnt' ask here because for some reason on my deskptop computer, my newsgroup program recently stopped working -- I may ask you about that later -- and I have another old laptop that still accepted win10 and
    works pretty well and I was going to dig that out to compare it and to
    post with, but first....

    I google the first message and the first response was, This is a problem
    and you should return your machine to the manufactuer. Ugh. ;-)

    The second response was Disable and Enable the device, and that tooked
    15 seconds and worked fine. Doing the first one got back the wifi and
    doing the second one got back the cable connection.

    I haven't done the 3rd or 4th because it says there are no compatible
    drivers for this device. It should know.


    Do you think there is any relationship between the hinky way it was
    working, back and forth, wifi and cable, and the later failure of both?

    Or what did cause the failure of the first two?

    Do items 3 and 4 do anything I care about?


    Use another computer to see if the same problems would happen to a
    different computer.

    If a different computer has the same problem, then your router is faulty.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ...winston@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Aug 19 02:09:31 2023
    micky wrote:
    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.


    Test methodically.

    Disable Wifi adpater, Connect Lan cable
    - Test for problems

    Use ipconfig /all in Command or Powershell admin prompt for your Lan Mac address.
    - access your router and assign a static ip address to your Lan Mac
    address to ensure your router dispenses the exact same ip address to the
    Lan connected device.
    - Test for problems(i.e. Lan only, one ip address, no wifi)




    --
    ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Aug 19 08:57:14 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    micky wrote:

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    sounds like your computer is switching from wired to wifi, bu the wifi
    isn't working, can you just shut off the wifi?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 06:45:25 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:22:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi >connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric >quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am
    very curious.


    My guess: it's your router.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Paul@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Aug 19 11:45:54 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/19/2023 12:22 AM, micky wrote:
    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am
    very curious.
    --------------

    Then a few days ago neither wifi nor cable worked,

    In Device Manager, bad icons were found for
    1) Qualcomm Atheros QCA93277 wireless network adapter -- Windows has dropped this device because it has rejected problems. Code 43
    2) Realtek PCIe GbE family controller - same message and code.
    3) PCI Simple Communication Controller -- The drivers for this device
    are not installed Code 28
    There are no compatible drivers for this device. HUH!!!!
    4) SM Bus Controller -- same message as line above, same code and same HUH!!!

    Troubleshooter reported 3 problems but didn't fix any of them.

    I tried to compare with my desktop but none of these four things were
    found in Device Manager, not even the things related to the cable
    connection!

    I didnt' ask here because for some reason on my deskptop computer, my newsgroup program recently stopped working -- I may ask you about that later -- and I have another old laptop that still accepted win10 and
    works pretty well and I was going to dig that out to compare it and to
    post with, but first....

    I google the first message and the first response was, This is a problem
    and you should return your machine to the manufactuer. Ugh. ;-)

    The second response was Disable and Enable the device, and that tooked
    15 seconds and worked fine. Doing the first one got back the wifi and
    doing the second one got back the cable connection.

    I haven't done the 3rd or 4th because it says there are no compatible
    drivers for this device. It should know.


    Do you think there is any relationship between the hinky way it was
    working, back and forth, wifi and cable, and the later failure of both?

    Or what did cause the failure of the first two?

    Do items 3 and 4 do anything I care about?


    "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems" Code 43

    Device Manager : Properties : Events tab, the info is of low quality.
    The "View All Events" button may not point at a useful event queue.

    "This usually means that the driver has lost [bus] communication
    or the driver has crashed." [regarding QCA9377 Wifi]

    *******

    https://web.archive.org/web/20191220205458/https://www.acer.com/ac/en/MY/content/model/NX.GSBSM.001

    Model Name: Aspire E 15 (E5-576G-58RV Notebook)

    Part Number: NX.GSBSM.001

    https://www.acer.com/us-en/support/product-support/E5-576G/downloads [page works iff cookie prompt can be seen]

    (NFA435) QCA9377 wireless [there is a separate Bluetooth driver for the same module]

    https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Driver/Wireless%20LAN/Wireless%20LAN_Atheros_11.0.10427_W10x64_A.zip?acerid=636370806607170842&Step1=&Step2=&Step3=ASPIRE%20E5-576G&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6

    Realtek RTL8169 PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8169

    https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Driver/Lan/Lan_Realtek_10.16.323.2017_W10x64_A.zip?acerid=636370800742480439&Step1=&Step2=&Step3=ASPIRE%20E5-576G&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6

    *******

    PCI Simple Communication Controller - they claim here, that is the Management Engine

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000059299/intel-nuc.html

    Whether that's installed or not, makes no difference on a
    "non-business-class" computer. My X79 doesn't have ME enabled by ASUS,
    in Windows 7, the PCI Simple Communication Controller just sits
    there broken in Device Manager, but it makes no different.
    Windows 10 seems to have some way of hiding it. I can't spot
    any named items in W10 Device Manager, which correspond to it.
    Nothing in my Windows 10 on that X79 machine is "throwing a Code".

    *******

    I would say your symptoms haven't really changed, it's
    been the same problem all along. Both networking devices
    dying at once, is mere coincidence.

    It seems your PCH (Southbridge) is a potential root locus,
    but I can't be 100% sure of that.

    The nice thing about modern processors, is the RAM sticks are
    mounted on the side of the CPU. This makes it possible for
    other parts of the machine to break, and the machine can kinda
    continue to function.

    You might ask "well, how could my storage work?". Some of the
    newer designs, the CPU is a SOC, and it has a minimal set of I/O
    off the CPU as well. Maybe a couple SATA ports and a USB3 or so.

    But the networking, it needs a bus connection like PCI Express, and
    the lanes for that trace to the DMI.

    CPU --- dual channel memory
    |
    | DMI (about 4 PCI Express lanes worth)
    |
    PCH --- PCIe --- Wifi chip (PCIe x1 lanes worth)
    | --- LAN chip (PCIe x1 lanes worth)
    SATA

    Yours probably isn't new enough to be a SOC, and SOC would
    be more likely to be an AMD design. This leaves the question,
    if some bus connection on the PCH is dropping out, why
    isn't the lack of SATA storage blowing your machine out of the
    water ? Windows hates it, when it cannot write to a disk!
    It should have been "crash-ola".

    It's pretty hard to understand what "thing" is dropping out.
    There are *lots* of low voltage DC supplies in there, at
    least five voltages on the PCH, but again, if any of them
    affected the SATA, you could be quite dead as a result.

    The thing about modern silicon, is core silicon does not fail.
    It's the pad ring, and power supplies, that have the highest
    incidence of failure. For example, I had a SATA port blow out
    on the X48 machine, and that seemed to be traceable (at a guess),
    to a disk drive that was exceeding the allowed common mode
    voltage on its SATA port. And that may have blown the motherboard
    interface to that SATA. For a short time, I operated that hard
    drive, via an Asmedia plugin SATA card, and it did not suffer
    a similar fate. I needed to do that, to clone the drive to a new HDD.

    The puzzler then, is why is your storage working ?
    Why that particular pile of shit blinking out ?

    *******

    My Intel ICH5 board blew out.

    My Intel X48 board blew out.

    Which one is next...

    Maybe this is why the newest motherboard is AMD.

    Paul

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Sat Aug 19 12:16:32 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/19/2023 9:45 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:22:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi
    connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric
    quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am
    very curious.


    My guess: it's your router.


    He's got too much Device Manager damage.

    If the router was bad, the Device Manager would
    remain in pristine condition the entire time. Just
    the "globe" symbol in the Task Bar, would be graphic evidence
    of networking trouble.

    Windows 10 tends to automatically load drivers, and pave the
    Device Manager until it is "pretty". Unlike earlier Windows OSes,
    where you did the paving work your own self, with the driver CD.

    Paul

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  • From Retirednoguilt@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Aug 19 14:05:05 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/19/2023 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/19/2023 9:45 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:22:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi
    connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric
    quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am >>> very curious.


    My guess: it's your router.


    He's got too much Device Manager damage.

    If the router was bad, the Device Manager would
    remain in pristine condition the entire time. Just
    the "globe" symbol in the Task Bar, would be graphic evidence
    of networking trouble.

    Windows 10 tends to automatically load drivers, and pave the
    Device Manager until it is "pretty". Unlike earlier Windows OSes,
    where you did the paving work your own self, with the driver CD.

    Paul
    Perhaps the drivers for his network adapters have become corrupted?
    Would it help if he uninstalled and then re-installed those drivers
    after first seeing if there are any updates to the drivers he has been
    using?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Retirednoguilt on Sat Aug 19 16:51:38 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/19/2023 2:05 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 8/19/2023 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/19/2023 9:45 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:22:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi
    connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I >>>> don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort >>>> of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric >>>> quarter-))).  But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again!  And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am >>>> very curious.


    My guess: it's your router.


    He's got too much Device Manager damage.

    If the router was bad, the Device Manager would
    remain in pristine condition the entire time. Just
    the "globe" symbol in the Task Bar, would be graphic evidence
    of networking trouble.

    Windows 10 tends to automatically load drivers, and pave the
    Device Manager until it is "pretty". Unlike earlier Windows OSes,
    where you did the paving work your own self, with the driver CD.

        Paul
    Perhaps the drivers for his network adapters have become corrupted? Would it help if he uninstalled and then re-installed those drivers after first seeing if there are any updates to the drivers he has been using?

    On WinXP, there was setupapi.log or such, and it contained
    excellent evidence of trouble. If the system was reinstalling
    or reinstantiating hardware, you could have log entries about it.
    Each time hardware was fiddled, there would be a dated entry
    with the details. And as the user, if you said to yourself
    "I wasn't installing drivers on that day", then you'd start looking
    for a culprit.

    This changed on later OSes, and I could not see the same
    quality of log info after that.

    If the LAN chip was being reinstantiated, the instance number
    would changed.

    For example, my RealTek LAN right now is named

    Ethernet adapter Ethernet 3

    Which means the adapter may have been uninstalled and
    reinstalled a couple times since the OS was first installed
    (about two years perhaps). Some people have higher numbers
    than 3, which is a hint that a much more frequent event
    is happening which causes the driver to be reinstalled.

    There could be something wrong with the hardware, but
    I don't want to over-pronounce on the thing. I can't be
    sure it's some DC regulator on the motherboard doing this.
    It could be a malware for example (as unlikely as that would be).
    Malware writers, the good ones, leave no trace of their craft.
    But it is equally hard to understand how the software
    could be doing this all on its own.

    And if the RAM was bad (something I have run into), what
    are the odds that the bad RAM locations are only in low RAM ?
    I had a problem where a Windows machine, would "drop dead" after
    roughly 15GB of disk reads, and that was bad RAM in the buffer
    area used by disk operation. Memtest could not even tell me
    which stick was bad, so I had to replace all four sticks.

    Paul

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Aug 20 10:16:08 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2023-08-19 12:22 a.m., micky wrote:
    Just a rerport about my internet connection.

    Win10 on an Acer laptop several years old.

    Win10 readers may remember a year ago when I complained that the wifi connection to my laptop kept breaking.

    Someone kindly pointed out that I could also have a cable connection!

    So I did that and IMO the strangest things have been happening.

    For the last year, the cable connection works fine, for 2 or 3 days. I
    don't know if it's faster than wifi, but they're both fast enough.

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    I have to unplug the cable. Then I can use the wifi for 2 or 3 days,
    until it no longer works.

    Then I have to plug the cable in again! And the cycle repeats.

    This is not a big problem but if anyone know why or how to stop it, I am
    very curious.
    --------------

    Then a few days ago neither wifi nor cable worked,

    In Device Manager, bad icons were found for
    1) Qualcomm Atheros QCA93277 wireless network adapter -- Windows has dropped this device because it has rejected problems. Code 43
    2) Realtek PCIe GbE family controller - same message and code.
    3) PCI Simple Communication Controller -- The drivers for this device
    are not installed Code 28
    There are no compatible drivers for this device. HUH!!!!
    4) SM Bus Controller -- same message as line above, same code and same HUH!!!

    Troubleshooter reported 3 problems but didn't fix any of them.

    I tried to compare with my desktop but none of these four things were
    found in Device Manager, not even the things related to the cable
    connection!

    I didnt' ask here because for some reason on my deskptop computer, my newsgroup program recently stopped working -- I may ask you about that later -- and I have another old laptop that still accepted win10 and
    works pretty well and I was going to dig that out to compare it and to
    post with, but first....

    I google the first message and the first response was, This is a problem
    and you should return your machine to the manufactuer. Ugh. ;-)

    The second response was Disable and Enable the device, and that tooked
    15 seconds and worked fine. Doing the first one got back the wifi and
    doing the second one got back the cable connection.

    I haven't done the 3rd or 4th because it says there are no compatible
    drivers for this device. It should know.


    Do you think there is any relationship between the hinky way it was
    working, back and forth, wifi and cable, and the later failure of both?

    Or what did cause the failure of the first two?

    Do items 3 and 4 do anything I care about?

    a) For wireless, it's a Qualcomm driver issue. You would need to use
    something like Snappy Driver Installer Origin (freeware) and let it find
    the absolute latest driver for your device then install it.

    b) For cable, if it's become unstable, there is a good chance that you
    have corruption in your system files. You'll need to run the Command
    Prompt as an administrator (right-click the program, Administrator),
    then type in the command "sfc /scannow" (without the quotes). Once that
    finds the first set of corruption and fixes it, run "DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth" to determine whether there is greater
    corruption in the system files. If it finds problems, run the same
    command but replace /ScanHealth with /RestoreHealth.

    Let me know.

    --
    RabidPedagog
    TG: @RabidPedagog
    Galatians 6:7

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Sun Aug 20 14:43:48 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 19 Aug 2023 08:57:14 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric
    quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    sounds like your computer is switching from wired to wifi, bu the wifi
    isn't working, can you just shut off the wifi?

    Well, the wifi works well for 2 or 3 or more days at a time, but your suggestion was the simplest so I turned it off a day ago.

    It will take several days to know if this improves the cable connection.

    I wonder how long it will take me to rmemeber to turn the wifi back on
    next time I take the laptop out of the house. I'm sure I'll forget. :-)

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com on Mon Aug 21 09:21:44 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 20 Aug 2023 14:43:48 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 19 Aug 2023 08:57:14 +0100, Andy Burns ><usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort
    of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric
    quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    sounds like your computer is switching from wired to wifi, bu the wifi >>isn't working, can you just shut off the wifi?

    Well, the wifi works well for 2 or 3 or more days at a time, but your >suggestion was the simplest so I turned it off a day ago.

    It will take several days to know if this improves the cable connection.

    Well, it took only a day. The cable connection failed a bit ago (and I
    got the icon of the world, with a few lines of lat and longitude.)

    I turned wifi back on, and just like before, it still didn't work until
    I unplugged the cable. Surprising. The cable works even when wifi is enabled, but not the reverse.

    I wonder how long it will take me to rmemeber to turn the wifi back on
    next time I take the laptop out of the house. I'm sure I'll forget. :-)

    So not a problem anymore.

    I appreciate the other suggestions, but they would be too much effort
    for too little likely gain, and the subject line did say "Just a
    report...", so I'm not going to try them. Thanks anyhow.

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  • From Retirednoguilt@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Aug 21 10:14:05 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/21/2023 9:21 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 20 Aug 2023 14:43:48 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 19 Aug 2023 08:57:14 +0100, Andy Burns
    <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort >>>> of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric >>>> quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    sounds like your computer is switching from wired to wifi, bu the wifi
    isn't working, can you just shut off the wifi?

    Well, the wifi works well for 2 or 3 or more days at a time, but your
    suggestion was the simplest so I turned it off a day ago.

    It will take several days to know if this improves the cable connection.

    Well, it took only a day. The cable connection failed a bit ago (and I
    got the icon of the world, with a few lines of lat and longitude.)

    I turned wifi back on, and just like before, it still didn't work until
    I unplugged the cable. Surprising. The cable works even when wifi is enabled, but not the reverse.

    I wonder how long it will take me to rmemeber to turn the wifi back on
    next time I take the laptop out of the house. I'm sure I'll forget. :-)

    So not a problem anymore.

    I appreciate the other suggestions, but they would be too much effort
    for too little likely gain, and the subject line did say "Just a
    report...", so I'm not going to try them. Thanks anyhow.

    Disabling/re-enabling drivers, and searching for an updated driver is a
    very fast and easy task with Win10. Just because you've never tried it
    doesn't mean it's complicated or will take a long time.

    In your search box on the windows task bar, write the words: device manger

    When it opens, scroll down the list of devices until you see: network
    adapters

    Highlight the adapter you want to work with a single left click of the
    mouse. When highlighted, right click on that specific adapter. From
    there, I would first disable and after a minute re-enable the driver.
    If that didn't solve the problem, the next time's I'd click on update
    driver and then select the automatically search for an updated one. If
    the search finds one, install it.

    Total time of fussing via the device manager, probably less than 2
    minutes. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Retirednoguilt on Mon Aug 21 12:16:42 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 8/21/2023 10:14 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    Disabling/re-enabling drivers, and searching for an updated driver is a very fast and easy task with Win10.  Just because you've never tried it doesn't mean it's complicated or will take a long time.

    In your search box on the windows task bar, write the words: device manger

    When it opens, scroll down the list of devices until you see: network adapters

    Highlight the adapter you want to work with a single left click of the mouse.  When highlighted, right click on that specific adapter.  From there, I would first disable and after a minute re-enable the driver. If that didn't solve the problem, the
    next time's I'd click on update driver and then select the automatically search for an updated one.  If the search finds one, install it.

    Total time of fussing via the device manager, probably less than 2 minutes.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    Device Manager is also available by right-click Start icon
    and is in the menu there. No typing needed. It's
    about fifth item down, out of seventeen items.

    *******

    With network hardware, you can run two of them at the same time.

    You don't really have to be beating your network controllers
    over the head constantly with a mallet :-) [ Even though the
    Airplane Mode key on the laptop keyboard, can be used to turn
    off the Wifi RF signal. That's a way to do it, for all the RF outputs. ]

    How the hardware picks a path, is influenced by the "metric" or weight
    applied to each hardware type. You can set a kind of "preference",
    like if the Ethernet is set to 1000 and the Wifi at 5, as soon as
    the Ethernet is connected, it takes over. Very little traffic then
    travels over the Wifi.

    https://www.windowscentral.com/how-change-priority-order-network-adapters-windows-10

    Since I only have Ethernet here, I haven't played with that.

    If you use the default, and both are set to 5, then some of your
    traffic goes over the Ethernet, and some goes over the Wifi.
    And the traffic must be routed, so the sequence of packets is preserved.

    *******

    There is also Link Aggregation, which is typically used with a pair of identical network setups and no router in the path. You can have two
    Ethernet cards in each PC, and connect to a pair of Ethernet cards
    in a second PC. That gives "double the bandwidth". At one time, before
    there was a standard, some manufacturers provided a proprietary solution
    for controlling packet sequencing (you might use their Teaming driver).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation#802.3ad

    In a Network control panel, the pair would appear as a "virtual trunk" of sorts, so there would only be one network icon for the pair. And it would
    have a suitable virtual-type name of some sort.

    Computers are full of tricks, that's for sure.

    Paul

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Retirednoguilt on Mon Aug 21 20:19:55 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:14:05 -0400,
    Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

    On 8/21/2023 9:21 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 20 Aug 2023 14:43:48 -0400, micky
    <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 19 Aug 2023 08:57:14 +0100, Andy Burns
    <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    After a few days, the cable connection icon, the monitor with some sort >>>>> of cord, disappears from the systray and is replaced by the concentric >>>>> quarter-))). But the internet does not work.

    sounds like your computer is switching from wired to wifi, bu the wifi >>>> isn't working, can you just shut off the wifi?

    Well, the wifi works well for 2 or 3 or more days at a time, but your
    suggestion was the simplest so I turned it off a day ago.

    It will take several days to know if this improves the cable connection.

    Well, it took only a day. The cable connection failed a bit ago (and I
    got the icon of the world, with a few lines of lat and longitude.)

    I turned wifi back on, and just like before, it still didn't work until
    I unplugged the cable. Surprising. The cable works even when wifi is
    enabled, but not the reverse.

    I wonder how long it will take me to rmemeber to turn the wifi back on
    next time I take the laptop out of the house. I'm sure I'll forget. :-)

    So not a problem anymore.

    I appreciate the other suggestions, but they would be too much effort
    for too little likely gain, and the subject line did say "Just a
    report...", so I'm not going to try them. Thanks anyhow.

    Disabling/re-enabling drivers, and searching for an updated driver is a
    very fast and easy task with Win10.

    When I saaid too much effort, I was combining all the suggestions
    together, not giving your priority, because after all, what do I know
    about what will work and what won't. I might well have to do them all
    before I find one that works, and maybe I still won't find one.

    Just because you've never tried it
    doesn't mean it's complicated or will take a long time.

    In your search box on the windows task bar, write the words: device manger

    When it opens, scroll down the list of devices until you see: network >adapters

    Highlight the adapter you want to work with a single left click of the
    mouse. When highlighted, right click on that specific adapter. From
    there, I would first disable and after a minute re-enable the driver.

    That's what I did in my first post here. I guess it was too long and
    people didn't read the whole thing. Sorry.


    If that didn't solve the problem, the next time's I'd click on update
    driver and then select the automatically search for an updated one. If
    the search finds one, install it.

    But since y ou went to the trouble to post again, I did this and it said
    I already had the best driver for wireless and for wired, but when I
    looked anyhow, nmayyyyybe I found one in the Optional updates. It's
    called Realtek - net 5/5/2015 12:00AM 10.1.505.2015

    Now is this a replacement for Realtek PCIe GbE Family Controller?
    4/10/2015 9.1.410.2015

    It's a month newer and gen 10 instead of 9, but is it meant to be a replacement? If so, why not the same name?

    Already I've spend more time than I wanted.

    Total time of fussing via the device manager, probably less than 2
    minutes.

    No. More than that. :-)

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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