• Re: OT - Bob's last ride!

    From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 8 10:26:04 2024
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    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 10:12:26 +0100, T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk>
    wrote:

    Yup. I think it's already fairly common for people to do similar with
    the persons (or 'a persons' <weg>) ashes, so they have somewhere nominal
    to go if they want to talk to the person / pet ... and as you say it may
    add some nutrients.

    My late wife never decided what to do with the ashes of 2 dogs and a
    cat (she didn't want to bury them in our back yard since there's
    obviously no guarantee that some family member would always live
    here). These 'caskets' are about 4-5" round so could have easily been
    slipped in beside her had I remembered.

    (Right now they're only stored in her cabinet next to our bed with a
    strip of masking tape on each with the critter's name - we do have
    plenty of photos of each so it's not as emotional as it might seem)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 8 10:21:47 2024
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    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:39:54 +0100, T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk>
    wrote:

    I'm less bothered about the people, many of whom were party to bringing
    this upon themselves (by their lifestyle choices, ecological inaction or >apathy re what their governments say they should spend their tax dollars
    on) and often have options re escape, be it by road, sea or air. Not the
    same offered to millions of *innocent* animals (wildlife, livestock and
    pets) who have burned to death or worse, suffer bad burns with little
    hope of any medical treatment.

    "You reap what you sow" ... and “The only thing necessary for the
    triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.

    Perhaps but why does it matter when the world allows China and India
    to go on producing and exporting coal powered plants? Cutting those
    would help the climate far more than my entire country (Canada) all
    committing suicide would - and while I appreciate the various climate
    change conferences (Kyoto etc) I am highly skeptical than any
    "solution" that doesn't involve almost total shuttering of coal fired
    plants - including Chinese and Indian plants - has any hope of
    rectifying the situation.

    I'm not a "denier" but I do deny that any solution that doesn't
    involve the Chinese and Indians changing their ways massively with
    respect to coal has a hope in hell of being effective.

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  • From Charlie Glock <"Charlie@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Jan 9 01:09:43 2024
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 2024-01-08, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:39:54 +0100, T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk>
    wrote:

    I'm less bothered about the people, many of whom were party to bringing >>this upon themselves (by their lifestyle choices, ecological inaction or >>apathy re what their governments say they should spend their tax dollars >>on) and often have options re escape, be it by road, sea or air. Not the >>same offered to millions of *innocent* animals (wildlife, livestock and >>pets) who have burned to death or worse, suffer bad burns with little
    hope of any medical treatment.

    "You reap what you sow" ... and “The only thing necessary for the
    triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.

    Perhaps but why does it matter when the world allows China and India
    to go on producing and exporting coal powered plants? Cutting those
    would help the climate far more than my entire country (Canada) all committing suicide would - and while I appreciate the various climate
    change conferences (Kyoto etc) I am highly skeptical than any
    "solution" that doesn't involve almost total shuttering of coal fired
    plants - including Chinese and Indian plants - has any hope of
    rectifying the situation.

    I'm not a "denier" but I do deny that any solution that doesn't
    involve the Chinese and Indians changing their ways massively with
    respect to coal has a hope in hell of being effective.

    China India and other countries are not buying into the green energy scam because they realize that
    military power and supremacy is based upon fossil fuels. Ask the Germans what happened it in WW2.
    So while the USA destroys itself going green, our adversaries are producing useful power plants as
    fast as they can.
    The USA are idiots.

    --
    Charlie Glock
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
    - Thomas Jefferson 1776

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  • From Charlie Glock <"Charlie@21:1/5 to Snit on Tue Jan 9 01:44:48 2024
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 2024-01-09, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Jan 8, 2024 at 6:09:43 PM MST, "Charlie Glock" wrote
    <r11nN.139023$Wp_8.125954@fx17.iad>:

    On 2024-01-08, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:39:54 +0100, T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk>
    wrote:

    I'm less bothered about the people, many of whom were party to bringing >>>> this upon themselves (by their lifestyle choices, ecological inaction or >>>> apathy re what their governments say they should spend their tax dollars >>>> on) and often have options re escape, be it by road, sea or air. Not the >>>> same offered to millions of *innocent* animals (wildlife, livestock and >>>> pets) who have burned to death or worse, suffer bad burns with little
    hope of any medical treatment.

    "You reap what you sow" ... and “The only thing necessary for the
    triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.

    Perhaps but why does it matter when the world allows China and India
    to go on producing and exporting coal powered plants? Cutting those
    would help the climate far more than my entire country (Canada) all
    committing suicide would - and while I appreciate the various climate
    change conferences (Kyoto etc) I am highly skeptical than any
    "solution" that doesn't involve almost total shuttering of coal fired
    plants - including Chinese and Indian plants - has any hope of
    rectifying the situation.

    I'm not a "denier" but I do deny that any solution that doesn't
    involve the Chinese and Indians changing their ways massively with
    respect to coal has a hope in hell of being effective.

    China India and other countries are not buying into the green energy scam
    because they realize that
    military power and supremacy is based upon fossil fuels.

    If we make the planet uninhabitable what are you going to have power over?

    Climate change has been going on since the beginning of time. As others have stated, what about the
    little ice age?
    Mankind cannot control climate change.


    Ask the Germans what happened it in WW2.
    So while the USA destroys itself going green, our adversaries are producing >> useful power plants as
    fast as they can.
    The USA are idiots.

    We should be leaders in green energy.

    Why?
    And sacrifice our military power ?
    When our adversaries are not doing this, why should we?
    You sound like a libby.




    --
    Charlie Glock
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
    - Thomas Jefferson 1776

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  • From Xi Ji Ping@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Jan 9 03:14:52 2024
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac, alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/01/2024 18:21, The Horny Goat wrote:


    I'm not a "denier" but I do deny that any solution that doesn't
    involve the Chinese and Indians changing their ways massively with
    respect to coal has a hope in hell of being effective.
    China and India consumes less (per capita) than Europeans and
    North Americans. The reason people think China and India are the main
    polluter is because their population is large and also they are producing everything for the world. They have got factories to produce
    everything. When Americans and Europeans build their own factories and
    start producing everything for their own use then China and India's
    emission rate would fall drastically. The only solution is to reduce global population by 30% starting with Europe and Americas.

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  • From Gremlin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 07:38:44 2024
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    Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:L81nN.136230$Ama9.105880@fx12.iad
    Tue, 09 Jan 2024 01:17:31 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On Jan 8, 2024 at 6:09:43â\u20ac¯PM MST, "Charlie Glock" wrote <r11nN.139023$Wp_8.125954@fx17.iad>:

    China India and other countries are not buying into the green energy
    scam because they realize that
    military power and supremacy is based upon fossil fuels.

    If we make the planet uninhabitable what are you going to have power
    over?

    I suspect you're entirely missing his point...

    Ask the Germans what happened it in WW2.
    So while the USA destroys itself going green, our adversaries are
    producing useful power plants as
    fast as they can.
    The USA are idiots.

    We should be leaders in green energy.

    I'm sure to regret this...

    What do you think green energy is, Snit? Is this a subject you actually know something about, or is this going to turn into the same thing as the thread where David mistook you as being a guru? Are you going to try bsing first,
    and doing a bit of research later? Or, will you try to research first if you know nothing about this first, and then BS to fill in the blanks? It's you,
    BS is going to come into play at some point. I'm just asking for an approx
    ETA.




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  • From Joerg Walther@21:1/5 to Charlie Glock on Tue Jan 9 09:20:46 2024
    Charlie Glock wrote:

    China India and other countries are not buying into the green energy scam

    There is no scam, and China is leading into going green https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/29/china-wind-solar-power-global-renewable-energy-leader

    -jw-

    --

    And now for something completely different...

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 22:19:50 2024
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    Am 09.01.24 um 02:44 schrieb Charlie Glock:
    On 2024-01-09, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
    We should be leaders in green energy.

    Why?
    And sacrifice our military power ?
    When our adversaries are not doing this, why should we?
    You sound like a libby.

    And you sound like your Nazi-friend Don the Trump.

    --
    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 22:17:47 2024
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    Am 09.01.24 um 02:09 schrieb Charlie Glock:
    On 2024-01-08, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:39:54 +0100, T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk>
    wrote:

    I'm less bothered about the people, many of whom were party to bringing
    this upon themselves (by their lifestyle choices, ecological inaction or >>> apathy re what their governments say they should spend their tax dollars >>> on) and often have options re escape, be it by road, sea or air. Not the >>> same offered to millions of *innocent* animals (wildlife, livestock and
    pets) who have burned to death or worse, suffer bad burns with little
    hope of any medical treatment.

    "You reap what you sow" ... and “The only thing necessary for the
    triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.

    Perhaps but why does it matter when the world allows China and India
    to go on producing and exporting coal powered plants? Cutting those
    would help the climate far more than my entire country (Canada) all
    committing suicide would - and while I appreciate the various climate
    change conferences (Kyoto etc) I am highly skeptical than any
    "solution" that doesn't involve almost total shuttering of coal fired
    plants - including Chinese and Indian plants - has any hope of
    rectifying the situation.

    I'm not a "denier" but I do deny that any solution that doesn't
    involve the Chinese and Indians changing their ways massively with
    respect to coal has a hope in hell of being effective.

    China India and other countries are not buying into the green energy scam because they realize that
    military power and supremacy is based upon fossil fuels. Ask the Germans what happened it in WW2.
    So while the USA destroys itself going green, our adversaries are producing useful power plants as
    fast as they can.
    The USA are idiots.

    I'll get a Glock, a Berretta or a SIG Sauer to straighten you, Idiot.

    --
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  • From Gremlin@21:1/5 to question - which is why I on Thu Jan 11 05:04:53 2024
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    Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> news:6h7nN.172925$7sbb.131814@fx16.iad Tue,
    09 Jan 2024 08:16:02 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
    Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:L81nN.136230$Ama9.105880@fx12.iad
    Tue, 09 Jan 2024 01:17:31 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On Jan 8, 2024 at 6:09:43â\u20acŻPM MST, "Charlie Glock" wrote
    <r11nN.139023$Wp_8.125954@fx17.iad>:

    China India and other countries are not buying into the green energy
    scam because they realize that
    military power and supremacy is based upon fossil fuels.

    If we make the planet uninhabitable what are you going to have power
    over?

    I suspect you're entirely missing his point...

    You failed to answer my question.

    No, I didn't. Your question showed a lack of understanding of the original question - which is why I wrote what I did...

    Ask the Germans what happened it in WW2.
    So while the USA destroys itself going green, our adversaries are
    producing useful power plants as
    fast as they can.
    The USA are idiots.

    We should be leaders in green energy.

    I'm sure to regret this...

    No doubt you have many regrets.

    Heh. I've lived life some and I haven't been an Angel.

    What do you think green energy is, Snit?

    Common usage.

    Umm. That isn't an answer to my question. So, i'll try again.
    When someone discusses green energy, what specifically, do you understand
    them to be discussing?
    In other words, what do you specifically think that green energy means?

    It's my having to ask these follow up questions as you go out of your way to
    be snarky that caused me to write what I did about regretting asking you. I predicted I would. :) You claim to want to talk tech, you want the
    'fighting' to be over, but you continue to go out of your way to write
    snarky and condescending replies - when you have nothing of value to add to what you're responding to with the snark. Case in point, I comment that I'm sure to regret asking you what you think green energy means and is. I wasn't being snarky, but your response was. And, it wasn't necessary.


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    "Well, that didn't fucking go as planned."

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  • From Gremlin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 20 03:42:58 2024
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:2BLnN.137999$Ama9.131126@fx12.iad
    Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:07:58 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On Jan 10, 2024 at 10:04:53â\u20ac¯PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB0F6D3DD5E4HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

    [snip]

    And you still refuse. You want to move forward without actually having a discussion. The question is clear:

    I'm not really surprised at this point that you don't comprehend that I did provide an answer already.

    If we make the planet uninhabitable what are you going to
    have power over?

    Snit, I wasn't asked that question by you. Charlie was:
    Message-ID: <L81nN.136230$Ama9.105880@fx12.iad> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170571475600

    You have no answer.

    The question wasn't addressed to me. My interest in your post was very specific. I wanted to know what you meant by the statement that we should be leaders in green energy. Specifically, I wanted to know what you think green energy actually is. It's painfully obvious that you wrote a common buzzword
    but that you don't actually have a clue what green energy is. Google could
    have helped you try and fake it, though. Some, atleast.

    Your question has nothing to do with me, or anything I asked you:
    Message-ID: <XnsB0F41AE9EB737HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170571479100
    Ask the Germans what happened it in WW2.
    So while the USA destroys itself going green, our adversaries are
    producing useful power plants as
    fast as they can.
    The USA are idiots.

    We should be leaders in green energy.

    I'm sure to regret this...

    What do you think green energy is, Snit? Is this a subject you actually know something about, or is this going to turn into the same thing as the thread where David mistook you as being a guru? Are you going to try bsing first,
    and doing a bit of research later? Or, will you try to research first if you know nothing about this first, and then BS to fill in the blanks? It's you,
    BS is going to come into play at some point. I'm just asking for an approx
    ETA.
    ***

    What do you think green energy is, Snit?

    Common usage.

    Umm. That isn't an answer to my question.

    I use the term in the common way. Nothing special.

    Hmm. If you're going to invite discussion on a subject as you have; it would
    be a smart thing to actually have some knowledge of the subject, wouldn't it?

    Common usage as sparkies would discuss it? Common as city planners would discuss it? Common as end users who don't really even know what it is would
    use it? A lay person uses terms without knowing WTF they're actually talking about. Is that what you're doing here? I think you're repeating a buzzword you've heard a lot. I think if you could answer my question, you would have done so; if nothing else but to show me and everyone else that you aren't
    the idiot you think I tried to make you out as being by asking. Yea snit, I know you think in such a childish way. I'm kicking myself in the ass for not catching onto it much earlier.


    So, i'll try again.
    When someone discusses green energy, what specifically, do you
    understand them to be discussing?

    Again: common usage. Nothing special.

    Again: that is in no possible way a valid answer to my question

    Not going down your rabbit hole.

    It's not my rabbit hole. You're the one who stated that
    Message-ID: <L81nN.136230$Ama9.105880@fx12.iad> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170571475600
    We should be leaders in green energy.

    Not interested in the slightest.

    If you weren't interested in the subject, why did you suggest we should be leaders in green energy? Did you lose interest because I asked you to
    explain what you think green energy is? Concerned that you don't actually
    know and I might point that out to everyone? Cluebyfour: I don't need to
    point it out, you already have.

    I get that will bother you.

    Why would catching you attempting to pass yourself off as more knowledgeable than you actually are bother me? It's hardly the first time you've talked
    out of turn and been called out for it. It's not even the first time I've
    done that to you. Hell, it's becoming a normal thing with you.

    but protecting your ego is not my job.

    LOL! What in the hell does my ego have to do with what you think green
    energy is or isn't and why you think we should be leaders in it?

    I am not attacking or mocking you, I am merely refusing to play your game.

    ROFLMFAO! Snit, you crack me up dude. I wasn't inviting you to play any
    games. I was asking you to clarify what you meant by the term green energy. It's painfully obvious that you were writing something you've heard many
    times, but, have no actual knowledge or understanding of. So funny. and you actually think you can hide this by trying to change the subject to it being
    my ego, or my rabbit or, or, heh, my game? :)

    Snit, dude, nobody is going for this bullshit anymore. I don't even think Aardvark is still virgin to you at this point, dude.



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