No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
Here. This will get you started:
https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton ><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
That's why I said "popular", to exclude that sort of thing.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
Okay, but doesn't it have to be more than a single purpose algorithm? >Otherwise, cars have had AI since computerized fuel injection, but
nobody called it that.
On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden >>>it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and >>>comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly >>>or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not >>>AI.
What say you?
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being. >https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly >>> or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
Here. This will get you started:
https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence
The term "AI" has been misused by media and most non-computer scientists. The >current crop "AI" tools (e.g. chatGPT) are not artificial intelligence, but >rather simple statistical algorithms based on a huge volume of pre-processed >data.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model
"As language models, they work by taking an input text and repeatedly
predicting the next token or word"
Which leads to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:07:57 GMT, Cindy HamiltonIt sells. That's all radio and TV first think about.
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses. >>>>
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly >>>> or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not >>>> AI.
What say you?
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being. >> https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633
So they use in in conjunction with AI. Why do I need to know that? I
don't know squat about any medical test. I don't have to. If they
want to use AI to bake bread, what difference does that make to me?
I'm sick of reading about this AI crap. I don't need to know where
it's being used.
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
Here. This will get you started:
https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:07:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden >>>>it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays >>>>and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc. >>>>and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and >>>>comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly >>>>or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not >>>>AI.
What say you?
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being. >>https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633
So they use in in conjunction with AI. Why do I need to know that? I
don't know squat about any medical test. I don't have to. If they
want to use AI to bake bread, what difference does that make to me?
I'm sick of reading about this AI crap. I don't need to know where
it's being used.
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
Here. This will get you started:
https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence
When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
By that time, it may be too late.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly >>> or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
Here. This will get you started:
https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence
More amorphous defintions of AI.
Here is a post made by someone else that I copied a while back which
makes sense to me.
---------------------------
Subject: The Reality of The Bullshit of Quantum Comps Breaking PGP
https://techbeacon.com/security/newest-quantum-breakthrough-encryption-killer
Just a few bits from the article about Quantum hype.
"Building a universal quantum computer, one that can perform
essentially any computation, is an extremely challenging technical
problem. We're far from having solved it."
"To crack a 2,048-bit RSA key, such as the ones that today's standards >require, a quantum computer will need at least a register of 2,048
entangled qubits. That's far from what's available today. And it seems
very unlikely that the current rate of progress in creating more
entanglement will make it possible in the next several years."
"For now, it seems hard to justify worrying about your encryption
becoming vulnerable to adversaries with quantum computers. It seems
very likely that NIST's effort to standardize encryption algorithms
that are quantum-safe will be completed and widely deployed well
before quantum computers are a serious threat to security."
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
An AI doesn't need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:55:10 -0500, tracy wrote:
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us common
dummies, I'll worry about it then.
Already there:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-powered-litterbox-system- offers-new-standard-of-care-for-cat-owners-301632491.html
"Using artificial intelligence developed by a team of Purina pet and data experts, the Petivity Smart Litterbox System detects meaningful changes
that indicate health conditions that may require a veterinarian's
attention or diagnosis. The monitor, which users are instructed to place under each litterbox in the household, gathers precise data on each cat's weight and important litterbox habits to help owners be proactive about
their pet's health."
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:55:10 -0500, tracy wrote:
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us common
dummies, I'll worry about it then.
Already there:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-powered-litterbox-system- >offers-new-standard-of-care-for-cat-owners-301632491.html
"Using artificial intelligence developed by a team of Purina pet and data >experts, the Petivity Smart Litterbox System detects meaningful changes
that indicate health conditions that may require a veterinarian's
attention or diagnosis. The monitor, which users are instructed to place >under each litterbox in the household, gathers precise data on each cat's >weight and important litterbox habits to help owners be proactive about
their pet's health."
On 8/10/2023 6:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:55:10 -0500, tracy wrote:
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us common
dummies, I'll worry about it then.
Already there:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-powered-litterbox-system-
offers-new-standard-of-care-for-cat-owners-301632491.html
"Using artificial intelligence developed by a team of Purina pet and data
experts, the Petivity Smart Litterbox System detects meaningful changes
that indicate health conditions that may require a veterinarian's
attention or diagnosis. The monitor, which users are instructed to place
under each litterbox in the household, gathers precise data on each cat's
weight and important litterbox habits to help owners be proactive about
their pet's health."
How long will we have to wait for the human size version?
The term "AI" has been misused by media and most non-computer
scientists. The current crop "AI" tools (e.g. chatGPT) are not
artificial intelligence, but rather simple statistical algorithms based
on a huge volume of pre-processed data.
Already there:
Not quite...
https://blog.dataiku.com/large-language-model-chatgpt
I played around with neural networks in the '80s. It was going to be the
Next Big Thing.
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
micky wrote:programs".
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
A woman I met at a family event recently asked me what I thought of AI. I started talking about Leibniz and his speculations, Charles Babbage's Differential Engine, Isaac Asimov's robot books. Well, she let me have the limelight; thank you.
Later I found out that what she had in mind was ChatGPT and OpenAI. It's amazed millions, created a rush of books (including ChatGPT for Dummies), and fuelled a whole new debate. "AI" has replaced "algorithms", which replaced "apps", which replaced "
Ed
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
Let me know when it starts breaking TrueCrypt
From Wikipedia:
"The Turing test, originally called the imitation game by Alan Turing
in 1950, is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent
behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human."
Of what good is AI if the product of it is dumber than a human?
Or, at least, that's how I understand it. A NN product was offered by
the company I used to work for, and the programmer explained it to me
that way. Nothing I've seen has told me it's different in principle now, though I believe much bigger computers are being used, and with most of
the Internet as a training set.
CharGPT is about as useful as OCR. OCR is about 99% accurate.
You've just run 200 pages through the scanner. Now what...
'Stochastic' gets used a lot so 100% accuracy isn't even a realistic goal. 'Good enough' is the criteria. If a simple model can tell a cat from a dog 97% of the time, that's pretty good. Humans aren't 100% either so you
could say artificial intelligence is a lot like human intelligence.
It's a fascinating development but like all disruptors the potential for
bad is just as high as good.
When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
By that time, it may be too late.
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:42:11 -0700, Dennis Kane <dkane@mail.com> wrote:
When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
By that time, it may be too late.
It's already too late. Pandora has opened the box. There's no putting it
back in.
On 8/11/2023 3:41 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:42:11 -0700, Dennis Kane <dkane@mail.com> wrote:
When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I'll worry about it then.
By that time, it may be too late.
It's already too late. Pandora has opened the box. There's no putting it
back in.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
On 8/10/2023 6:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:55:10 -0500, tracy wrote:
Personally, I'm sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us common
dummies, I'll worry about it then.
Already there:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-powered-litterbox-system-
offers-new-standard-of-care-for-cat-owners-301632491.html
"Using artificial intelligence developed by a team of Purina pet and data
experts, the Petivity Smart Litterbox System detects meaningful changes
that indicate health conditions that may require a veterinarian's
attention or diagnosis. The monitor, which users are instructed to place
under each litterbox in the household, gathers precise data on each cat's
weight and important litterbox habits to help owners be proactive about
their pet's health."
How long will we have to wait for the human size version?
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
On 8/10/2023 2:43 PM, micky wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
A radiologist assistant is not a Large Language Model.
I would expect to some extent, image analysis would be a
"module" on an LLM, and not a part of the main bit.
Bare minimum, it's a neural network, trained on images,
one at a time, that slosh around and train the neurons.
For example, something like YOLO_5 (You Only Look Once), can
be trained to identify animals in photos. It draws a box around
the presumed animal and names it (or whatever). That uses a lot
less hardware than a Large Language Model, and less storage.
The article had a picture with a bear in it, and indeed, the
bear had a square drawn around it.
But as for whether the "quality" is there, that is another
issue entirely. In my opinion, no radiologist would ever trust
something as sketchy as YOLO. Radiologists are very particular
about their jobs, as they hate getting sued.
And I can imagine
the look on the judges face when you tell him "yer honor, I didn't
even bother to look at that film, the computer told me there was
nothing there". Some lawyers recently, learned about what happens
when you "phone it in".
Professionals are still on the hook for the
whole bolt of goods. The computer isn't going to get sued for
"being stupid", because it is stupid.
It would take a *lot* of films, to train a radiologist assistant.
Who would have a collection, large enough for the job ?
It would be
a violation of privacy law, for a bunch of hospitals to throw all
their films into a big vat, for NN training.
It's not like crawling
the web and getting access to content that way.
While a lot of individuals and their jobs can be replaced,
the radiologist will be "the last to go".
On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 05:42:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
CharGPT is about as useful as OCR. OCR is about 99% accurate.
You've just run 200 pages through the scanner. Now what...
'Stochastic' gets used a lot so 100% accuracy isn't even a realistic goal. 'Good enough' is the criteria. If a simple model can tell a cat from a dog 97% of the time, that's pretty good. Humans aren't 100% either so you
could say artificial intelligence is a lot like human intelligence.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
The Turing has been passed quite a while ago. Plus the test is flawed.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
AI has never been properly defined and so people are using to describe all sorts of things.
On 8/13/2023 5:17 PM, Chris wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it's everywhere.
The most recent discussion I heard was about "using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging".
They have computer programs that will "look" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.
So it's good if both look them.
But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.
The Turing has been passed quite a while ago. Plus the test is flawed.
And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly >>> or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.
What say you?
AI has never been properly defined and so people are using to describe all >> sorts of things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence
"AI founder John McCarthy agreed, writing that "Artificial intelligence is not,
by definition, simulation of human intelligence".
This is the interesting stuff.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/embodied-ai-googles-palm-e-allows-robot-control-with-natural-commands/
The problem with LLM that write software, is you cannot easily evaluate whether the output meets the specification.
I used "AI" since 1978. But every few years, what used to be AI becomes commonplace and stops being alled AI. Character and voice recognition, file completion, symbolic manipulation (Macsyma, Wolfram), ELIZA psychanalyser, were once called AI. Then again, I'm a 62yo (familially) third generation computer user as well as a third generation engineer. If you used Marvin Minsky's fifty year old psychanalysis program ELIZA (available in emacs as doctor; I use it for night time OCD panic attacks), ChatGPT looks awfully boring. I've used fractals (EXCEL:LOGEST) for fraud detection for four decades.
Gregory Nazianzen, the Great, tells us all creativity is divine (28:6; 1 cor 3:5-9) and denounced anti-science at Basil's funeral (42:11) as ignorant, lazy and stupid. (My namesake, Basil of Caereria, was a physician, who invented the concept of a hospital.) This may be found on p151 of the 1977 OEDB Patrsitics textbook used in high schools in Greece (Evagelos Theodorou, Anthology of Holy Fathers.) More completely from Florovsky v7 p109 "We derive something useful for our orthodoxy even from the worldly
science.. Everyone who has a mind will recognize that learning is our highest good.. also worldly learning, which many Christians incorrectly abhor.. those who hold such an opinion are stupid and ignorant. They want everyone to be just like themselves, so that the general failing will hide their own"
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I used "AI" since 1978. But every few years, what used to be AI becomes >> commonplace and stops being alled AI. Character and voice recognition, file >> completion, symbolic manipulation (Macsyma, Wolfram), ELIZA psychanalyser, >> were once called AI. Then again, I'm a 62yo (familially) third generation
computer user as well as a third generation engineer. If you used Marvin
Minsky's fifty year old psychanalysis program ELIZA (available in emacs as >> doctor; I use it for night time OCD panic attacks), ChatGPT looks awfully
boring. I've used fractals (EXCEL:LOGEST) for fraud detection for four
decades.
Gregory Nazianzen, the Great, tells us all creativity is divine (28:6; 1 >> cor 3:5-9) and denounced anti-science at Basil's funeral (42:11) as ignorant,
lazy and stupid. (My namesake, Basil of Caereria, was a physician, who
invented the concept of a hospital.) This may be found on p151 of the 1977 >> OEDB Patrsitics textbook used in high schools in Greece (Evagelos Theodorou, >> Anthology of Holy Fathers.) More completely from Florovsky v7 p109 "We
derive something useful for our orthodoxy even from the worldly
science.. Everyone who has a mind will recognize that learning is our highest
good.. also worldly learning, which many Christians incorrectly abhor.. those
who hold such an opinion are stupid and ignorant. They want everyone to be >> just like themselves, so that the general failing will hide their own"
Google Books Ngram Viewer traces "AI" way back to beyond 1800, although
it seems to have increased rapidly from the mid 1950s. >https://tinyurl.com/22hru257
I can't help but wonder if many of the earlier citings are initials for >things like "Andalusian Insurance" or "American Independence" or
"African Iratedness" etc.
Ed
Maybe so. Very interesting comments from all of you.
I mentioned that today at work.
Probably not quite what you want but go to maps.google.com and search for
the area you are interested in. Center the area.
Right click with the cursor at the selected point and pick 'Measure
Distance' from the menu. That will put a point on the map. Click anyplace else and you will have another point. Drag it until the scale shows 20
miles or the popup shows a total distance of 20 miles.
Drag the point around in a circle trying to stay close to 20 miles. It's
not going to draw a circle on the map but you can get a good idea of what
is within a 20 mile radius.
How long will we have to wait for the human size version?
Have to get people to poop in a litterbox first ;)
(And the best of the rest of this year to all you grognards (Napoleon Bonaparte's term for his oldest and best troops - it means
"grumblers"))
...and I really don't think welding ChatGPT onto Bing is going to be the >success MS thinks it is that will finally usher in an age of Bing and
Edge supremacy over Google. Just no. I don't think people want it.
On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:39:19 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
...and I really don't think welding ChatGPT onto Bing is going to be the >>success MS thinks it is that will finally usher in an age of Bing and
Edge supremacy over Google. Just no. I don't think people want it.
If I thought some AI was going to harvest my personal data and do
nasty things with it you bet I'd be running away hoping to win an
Olympic gold medal with my speed...
I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old tapes but it's a painful process.
I have one.
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