On 8/9/2023 2:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Time to get new synchronized clocks.
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock displayI have an Xfinity Set-top box with clock. It's time is set by Xfinity/Comcast by what benchmark I don't know. But my
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
On 2023-08-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Does anybody really care?
On 2023-08-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Does anybody really care?
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 21:30:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-08-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Does anybody really care?
I went there too, but you beat me to posting.
Video:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ewTCEFUeY>
*From:* micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
*Date:* Wed, 09 Aug 2023 17:04:40 -0400
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel
clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock
was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
On 2023-08-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Does anybody really care?
On 8/9/2023 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Your computer time error, is potentially printed on the right-hand side of this web page.
https://nist.time.gov/
If you have any kit fitted with GPS, and a number of sats in the >constellation can be "seen" by the GPS, the time output of the
GPS can be very good. Good enough to set a watch even.
*******
https://www.lyrics.com/images/artist/3885_chicago.png
As I was walking down the street one day...
...
Does anybody really know what time it is
Does anybody really care
If so I can't imagine why
We've all got time enough to cry
Paul
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:40:29 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 8/9/2023 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Your computer time error, is potentially printed on the right-hand side of this web page.
https://nist.time.gov/
Very intersting. Yes, it says:
"Your clock is off by:
-1.366 s"
That's the laptop and it means the desktop is off by substantially less
than a second.
So what does that mean, that desktops are better than laptops, that HP
is better than ACER, that.... nothing at all.
It also seems to meant that the radio signal, which I figure is
different from the one sent to computers, is off by 55 seconds.
If you have any kit fitted with GPS, and a number of sats in the
constellation can be "seen" by the GPS, the time output of the
GPS can be very good. Good enough to set a watch even.
That $69 GPS that I bought last month listed the satellites it was in
contact with. 5 or 7 of them! But I don't remember it displaying the
time. After all it was a lo-budget GPS. And it did really loads of
things but not the one thing I wanted so I returned it, in like-new condition** -- I made sure not to take the film off the screen -- and
when I get the next car I'm going to buy a more expensive one.
In short, it only worked when the direction I was going was at the top.
I could get it to display with north at the top, but then the symbol
that represented my car didn't move.
**Until they put the "Return-sticker" on the box.
*******
https://www.lyrics.com/images/artist/3885_chicago.png
As I was walking down the street one day...
...
Does anybody really know what time it is
Does anybody really care
If so I can't imagine why
We've all got time enough to cry
Paul
Yes indeed.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:40:29 -0400, Paul ><nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 8/9/2023 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Your computer time error, is potentially printed on the right-hand side of this web page.
https://nist.time.gov/
Very intersting. Yes, it says:
"Your clock is off by:
-1.366 s"
That's the laptop and it means the desktop is off by substantially less
than a second.
So what does that mean, that desktops are better than laptops, that HP
is better than ACER, that.... nothing at all.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:59:33 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 21:30:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-08-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Does anybody really care?
I went there too, but you beat me to posting.
Video:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ewTCEFUeY>
That's what I had in mind with my last line.
But for the rest, some of you folks need more curiosity.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:40:29 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 8/9/2023 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Your computer time error, is potentially printed on the right-hand side of this web page.
https://nist.time.gov/
Very intersting. Yes, it says:
"Your clock is off by:
-1.366 s"
That's the laptop and it means the desktop is off by substantially less
than a second.
So what does that mean, that desktops are better than laptops, that HP
is better than ACER, that.... nothing at all.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:40:29 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 8/9/2023 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was >>>> off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Your computer time error, is potentially printed on the right-hand side of this web page.
https://nist.time.gov/
Very intersting. Yes, it says:
"Your clock is off by:
-1.366 s"
That's the laptop and it means the desktop is off by substantially less
than a second.
So what does that mean, that desktops are better than laptops, that HP
is better than ACER, that.... nothing at all.
Modern OSes regularly correct the time via connecting to an NTP server. A >drift means that there's something interfering with that connection either >through a misconfiguration or the laptop is switched off for long periods
or something else.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:40:29 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On 8/9/2023 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was >>>> off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Your computer time error, is potentially printed on the right-hand side of this web page.
https://nist.time.gov/
Very intersting. Yes, it says:
"Your clock is off by:
-1.366 s"
That's the laptop and it means the desktop is off by substantially less
than a second.
So what does that mean, that desktops are better than laptops, that HP
is better than ACER, that.... nothing at all.
Modern OSes regularly correct the time via connecting to an NTP server. A drift means that there's something interfering with that connection either through a misconfiguration or the laptop is switched off for long periods
or something else.
I don't know if you saw the apocryphally bad article today, about
how Microsoft has been setting server clocks, but it's a wonder the
time is ever right :-)
https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/windows-feature-that-resets-system-clocks-based-on-random-data-is-wreaking-havoc/
Paul
I don't know if you saw the apocryphally bad article today, about how Microsoft has been setting server clocks, but it's a wonder the time issystem-clocks-based-on-random-data-is-wreaking-havoc/
ever right
https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/windows-feature-that-resets-
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
On 2023-08-09 17:04, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Traditionally, Windows wasn't good at synchronizing to the "true" time. I don't know if this has been corrected.
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually accurate.
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually accurate.
In <ubraq6$10pli$1@dont-email.me> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
[snip]
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually
accurate.
hahahaha. The time displayed on my phone (and I confirmed similar
issues with a bunch of friends) is a minute off the "real" time.
I first noticed this while listening to "W-I-N-S, 10-10,
Westinghouse Broadcasting, serving NY, NJ, and Ct" and
the "at the time it'll be 5 pm ... BEEP", and my phone
still showed 4:59.
I wrote to the cellco's president's office, got back
a call saying that's the way it is...
Curiously the slippage varied from area to area. In
one city it was a minute behing, while in another it
was just a couple of seconds off.
Oh... I verfied this by also going to "time.gov"
(couldn't pick up WWV or CHU...)
In <ubraq6$10pli$1@dont-email.me> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
[snip]
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually accurate.
hahahaha. The time displayed on my phone (and I confirmed similar
issues with a bunch of friends) is a minute off the "real" time.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 21:20:16 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> >wrote:
In <ubraq6$10pli$1@dont-email.me> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
[snip]
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually accurate.
hahahaha. The time displayed on my phone (and I confirmed similar
issues with a bunch of friends) is a minute off the "real" time.
I'm guessing you're not with one of the big national US carriers, since they >don't have that problem.
In <d5k2eil76033d0sninnabme9i2u4gmspf9@4ax.com> Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 21:20:16 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> >>wrote:
In <ubraq6$10pli$1@dont-email.me> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
[snip]
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually accurate.
hahahaha. The time displayed on my phone (and I confirmed similar
issues with a bunch of friends) is a minute off the "real" time.
I'm guessing you're not with one of the big national US carriers, since they >>don't have that problem.
You're guessing wrong. Ditto with my friends.
As I said in my original post, it's quite curious in that in _some_ areas
my phone does display the correct time, in others it doesn't.
As I said in my original post, it's quite curious in that in _some_ areas >>my phone does display the correct time, in others it doesn't.
I've worked on the network side of two of the national carriers, and both of >them used GPS to sanity-check the network time that gets passed to handsets, >with stratum 1 NTP being the primary time source. As a result, it should be >extremely unlikely that your handset would be getting the wrong time from the >network.
On 8/19/2023 2:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-09 17:04, micky wrote:
if you set some parameter, you can have the Windows clock display
seconds.
It's in one of the Tweak programs. 7+ Taskbar or Winaero.
Last week I found behind my bookshelp a radio controlled travel clock
that I think I bought at a hamfest for a dollar.
After I changed the batteries it seems to be working fine, with the
radio beacon icon showing. That must be working because the clock was
off by hours when I first turned it on, and I never set the time.
And it's been running for a week and the time is always 53 seconds
behind the windows time on the laptop!
Hmmm. My desktop is 2 seconds head of my laptop!
Does anybody really know what time it is!
Traditionally, Windows wasn't good at synchronizing to the "true" time. I don't know if this has been corrected.
You could compare with the clock on a mobile phone, they are usually accurate.
Windows does have an NTP client (w32time).
The client is not as good as the Meinberg one.
The Meinberg one is likely to have first order
dribble correction (so a good portion of the drift
is corrected for you).
Windows was set to connect to an NTP server about
once a week. This was to prevent Windows from overwhelming
whatever it was connecting to (like time.windows.com).
But the implementation is merely "a bare minimum correction
for the time". The Microsoft desktop support was not intended
for any sort of tight sync. It may have been installed,
so that SMB/CIFS would work properly (not allow too much clock drift).
W32time seems to wake up, every fifteen minutes. Since there
is only one time correction per week, most of the time there
is no work to do. The fifteen minute interval suggests they
had more ambitious plans for the thing, and the "limp" configuration
used by default, was not taking advantage of whatever functions
lay hidden in there. A fifteen minute interval, could be
suited to a first order dribble correction. You would not
query an NTP server in that case, merely make a small
correction to the time to compensate for the measured
clock frequency offset (quartz crystal error). By making the
corrections frequently, you "dribble out" the correction.
You can certainly change the automatic update frequency. That
is the most likely thing a user would change. And that is fine
as long as you're pointed at "time.mydomain.com" and are
abusing your own internal NTP server. Some of the big time
servers have anti-hammer protection, and if you pester them
too frequently, you'll get blocked (until you change IP and
get blocked again).
In <d7t2ei1ekp9vte5niqhec9v8bnstunei1r@4ax.com> Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid> writes:
As I said in my original post, it's quite curious in that in _some_ areas >>>my phone does display the correct time, in others it doesn't.
I've worked on the network side of two of the national carriers, and both of >>them used GPS to sanity-check the network time that gets passed to handsets, >>with stratum 1 NTP being the primary time source. As a result, it should be >>extremely unlikely that your handset would be getting the wrong time from the >>network.
It "should be". I agree. And yet that's exactly what was happening.
fwiw, here are portions of the cover letter I had sent over to T-Mobile:
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 297 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 10:52:17 |
| Calls: | 6,666 |
| Files: | 12,213 |
| Messages: | 5,336,371 |
