Older desktop with 4 GB of ram installed. It is a bit confusing on
whether or not I can use 4 GB sticks to get to a total of 8 GB ram since
I've updated this to 64 bit Win 10 . Though the board actually has positions for 4 slots, only 2 actual memory slots were used.
Documentation says you can use twice the amount of ram if you go 64 over
32 bit.
The board in question is an Asus Motherboard M2N68-LA Rev:A01
<https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/855392/ASUS/M2N68-LA/1>
I realize it might not help much, but now for example, it is using 89%
of the 4GB installed just writing this. I guess the question is did
Asus limit what they say could be installed because that is only what
they tested at the time back then? Some of my searching does seem to suggest people are running 4 GB sticks in each slot just fine, though
they might have a later revision than mine. One I read said that
Windows showed the 8 GB, but the bios didn't recognize it. I'm OK with
that as long as it runs with the desired amount.
It does take a not so great ram, "240-pin DDR2 DIMM slots Supports Dual Channel DDR2 800/667/533 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max 4GB)",
that is not as cheap as newer stuff. But, I'd be willing to try and get some if anyone thinks it would recognize it.
I might just try it either way, so I wouldn't hold it against anyone
if'n it doesn't recognize it. Just looking for a little more wisdom
than I have on this problem.
Older desktop with 4 GB of ram installed. It is a bit confusing on
whether or not I can use 4 GB sticks to get to a total of 8 GB ram since
I've updated this to 64 bit Win 10 . Though the board actually has
positions for 4 slots, only 2 actual memory slots were used.
Documentation says you can use twice the amount of ram if you go 64 over
32 bit.
The board in question is an Asus Motherboard M2N68-LA Rev:A01
<https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/855392/ASUS/M2N68-LA/1>
I realize it might not help much, but now for example, it is using 89%
of the 4GB installed just writing this. I guess the question is did
Asus limit what they say could be installed because that is only what
they tested at the time back then? Some of my searching does seem to
suggest people are running 4 GB sticks in each slot just fine, though
they might have a later revision than mine. One I read said that
Windows showed the 8 GB, but the bios didn't recognize it. I'm OK with
that as long as it runs with the desired amount.
It does take a not so great ram, "240-pin DDR2 DIMM slots Supports Dual Channel DDR2 800/667/533 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max 4GB)",
that is not as cheap as newer stuff. But, I'd be willing to try and get
some if anyone thinks it would recognize it.
I might just try it either way, so I wouldn't hold it against anyone
if'n it doesn't recognize it. Just looking for a little more wisdom
than I have on this problem.
sticks
On 08/08/2023 17:38, sticks wrote:
Older desktop with 4 GB of ram installed. It is a bit confusing on
whether or not I can use 4 GB sticks to get to a total of 8 GB ram
since I've updated this to 64 bit Win 10 . Though the board actually
has positions for 4 slots, only 2 actual memory slots were used.
the manual says it only support 1GB sized sticks, though if you have 4GB
from two stick, it actually must support 2GB sticks (not uncommon for
BIOS updates to improve that)
So I think it'd be a worthwhile shot to fit 4x2GB for 8GB
Documentation says you can use twice the amount of ram if you go 64
over 32 bit.
Windows 32 bit was only licenced for 4GB (minus about 400MB reserved
space) so that's probably what it means, 64bit doesn't have that limit.
The board in question is an Asus Motherboard M2N68-LA Rev:A01
<https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/855392/ASUS/M2N68-LA/1>
I realize it might not help much, but now for example, it is using 89%
of the 4GB installed just writing this. I guess the question is did
Asus limit what they say could be installed because that is only what
they tested at the time back then? Some of my searching does seem to
suggest people are running 4 GB sticks in each slot just fine, though
they might have a later revision than mine. One I read said that
Windows showed the 8 GB, but the bios didn't recognize it. I'm OK
with that as long as it runs with the desired amount.
It does take a not so great ram, "240-pin DDR2 DIMM slots Supports
Dual Channel DDR2 800/667/533 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max
4GB)", that is not as cheap as newer stuff. But, I'd be willing to
try and get some if anyone thinks it would recognize it.
I might just try it either way, so I wouldn't hold it against anyone
if'n it doesn't recognize it. Just looking for a little more wisdom
than I have on this problem.
There seems to be either misinformation or confusion out there abot what
it can actually take, do you know whether it's marked as Narra3, Narra5, Narra6 anywhere?
DDR2 machines are pretty well into good money after bad territory in my
book.
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things,Hell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I don't have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I can find the ram for about $26
for two sticks. I kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
On 08/08/2023 17:38, sticks wrote:memory slots were used.
Older desktop with 4 GB of ram installed. It is a bit confusing on whether or not I can use 4 GB sticks to get to a total of 8 GB ram since I've updated this to 64 bit Win 10 . Though the board actually has positions for 4 slots, only 2 actual
the manual says it only support 1GB sized sticks, though if you have 4GB from two stick, it actually must support 2GB sticks (not uncommon for BIOS updates to improve that)Some of my searching does seem to suggest people are running 4 GB sticks in each slot just fine, though they might have a later revision than mine. One I read said that Windows showed the 8 GB, but the bios didn't recognize it. I'm OK with that as
So I think it'd be a worthwhile shot to fit 4x2GB for 8GB
Documentation says you can use twice the amount of ram if you go 64 over 32 bit.
Windows 32 bit was only licenced for 4GB (minus about 400MB reserved space) so that's probably what it means, 64bit doesn't have that limit.
The board in question is an Asus Motherboard M2N68-LA Rev:A01
<https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/855392/ASUS/M2N68-LA/1>
I realize it might not help much, but now for example, it is using 89% of the 4GB installed just writing this. I guess the question is did Asus limit what they say could be installed because that is only what they tested at the time back then?Â
recognize it.
It does take a not so great ram, "240-pin DDR2 DIMM slots Supports Dual Channel DDR2 800/667/533 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max 4GB)", that is not as cheap as newer stuff. But, I'd be willing to try and get some if anyone thinks it would
I might just try it either way, so I wouldn't hold it against anyone if'n it doesn't recognize it. Just looking for a little more wisdom than I have on this problem.
There seems to be either misinformation or confusion out there abot what it can actually take, do you know whether it's marked as Narra3, Narra5, Narra6 anywhere?
DDR2 machines are pretty well into good money after bad territory in my book.
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repairHell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd
videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't have a bunch
into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I
can find the ram for about $26 for two sticks. I kinda want to try it
just to see if it works.
have spare memory for later :-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will swap
to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim
versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
On 8/8/2023 12:52 PM, Big Al wrote:sticks. I kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I can find the ram for about $26 for two
Hell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I'm gonna do it. Curiosity has taken over. ;-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will swap to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with it. It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've never seriously looked into it.
On 8/8/2023 2:23 PM, sticks wrote:sticks. I kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
On 8/8/2023 12:52 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I can find the ram for about $26 for two
Hell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I'm gonna do it. Curiosity has taken over. ;-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will swap to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with it. It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've never seriously looked into it.
The 4GB sticks are a density switch.
That could involve nibble wide chips (x4) rather than
the 16 of the x8 type on a 2GB DDR2 DIMM.
AMD is tolerant of such things. Doing that on my Intel X48
would have been out of the question. The nibble RAM doubles
the load on the CS signal.
Another question, is whether the HP BIOS is ready
for a stick like that. It has to parse the SPD and
set up the hardware for it (map the DIMM).
On my VIA chipset board, it did not have BIOS programming
to set Tsu and Th for denser RAM. Errors galore on bigger
RAM sticks was the result.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with it.
It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim
versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is
something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've
never seriously looked into it.
On 8/8/2023 1:33 PM, Paul wrote:
On 8/8/2023 2:23 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 12:52 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewingHell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least
repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't
have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It >>>>> looks like I can find the ram for about $26 for two sticks. I
kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I'm gonna do it. Curiosity has taken over. ;-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will
swap to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with
it. It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim
versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch
it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've
never seriously looked into it.
The 4GB sticks are a density switch.
That could involve nibble wide chips (x4) rather than
the 16 of the x8 type on a 2GB DDR2 DIMM.
AMD is tolerant of such things. Doing that on my Intel X48
would have been out of the question. The nibble RAM doubles
the load on the CS signal.
Another question, is whether the HP BIOS is ready
for a stick like that. It has to parse the SPD and
set up the hardware for it (map the DIMM).
On my VIA chipset board, it did not have BIOS programming
to set Tsu and Th for denser RAM. Errors galore on bigger
RAM sticks was the result.
It has a limited access bios Core version 6.0 BIOS revision 5.59
(05/20/2010) and has nothing you can do with RAM. I've read of people trying to update for upgrading processor, and not reporting the best result. I'll just leave well enough alone. Thanks
I'll let you'll know if it worked or not when I get the sticks.
sticks (heh, that's me and I could use an upgrade too!)
On 8/8/2023 2:05 PM, sticks wrote:two sticks. I kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
On 8/8/2023 1:33 PM, Paul wrote:
On 8/8/2023 2:23 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 12:52 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I can find the ram for about $26 for
ThanksHell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I'm gonna do it. Curiosity has taken over. ;-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will swap to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with it. It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've never seriously looked into it.
The 4GB sticks are a density switch.
That could involve nibble wide chips (x4) rather than
the 16 of the x8 type on a 2GB DDR2 DIMM.
AMD is tolerant of such things. Doing that on my Intel X48
would have been out of the question. The nibble RAM doubles
the load on the CS signal.
Another question, is whether the HP BIOS is ready
for a stick like that. It has to parse the SPD and
set up the hardware for it (map the DIMM).
On my VIA chipset board, it did not have BIOS programming
to set Tsu and Th for denser RAM. Errors galore on bigger
RAM sticks was the result.
It has a limited access bios Core version 6.0 BIOS revision 5.59 (05/20/2010) and has nothing you can do with RAM. I've read of people trying to update for upgrading processor, and not reporting the best result. I'll just leave well enough alone.Â
of 4 would be appreciated.
I'll let you'll know if it worked or not when I get the sticks.
sticks (heh, that's me and I could use an upgrade too!)
Got the sticks in the mail today, finally. Stuck them in and booted up, and the bios did recognize and display proper size for both sticks. It rebooted and just left a blank screen. No windows.
Disappointing, but not totally unexpected. I am going to check around and see if there is perhaps a motherboard driver upgrade or something, but I didn't see anything like that before. Any other ideas on how to get this board to use 8 Gig instead
sticks
On 8/21/2023 5:55 PM, sticks wrote:two sticks. I kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
On 8/8/2023 2:05 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 1:33 PM, Paul wrote:
On 8/8/2023 2:23 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 12:52 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I can find the ram for about $26 for
ThanksHell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I'm gonna do it. Curiosity has taken over. ;-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will swap to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with it. It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've never seriously looked into it.
The 4GB sticks are a density switch.
That could involve nibble wide chips (x4) rather than
the 16 of the x8 type on a 2GB DDR2 DIMM.
AMD is tolerant of such things. Doing that on my Intel X48
would have been out of the question. The nibble RAM doubles
the load on the CS signal.
Another question, is whether the HP BIOS is ready
for a stick like that. It has to parse the SPD and
set up the hardware for it (map the DIMM).
On my VIA chipset board, it did not have BIOS programming
to set Tsu and Th for denser RAM. Errors galore on bigger
RAM sticks was the result.
It has a limited access bios Core version 6.0 BIOS revision 5.59 (05/20/2010) and has nothing you can do with RAM. I've read of people trying to update for upgrading processor, and not reporting the best result. I'll just leave well enough alone.Â
of 4 would be appreciated.
I'll let you'll know if it worked or not when I get the sticks.
sticks (heh, that's me and I could use an upgrade too!)
Got the sticks in the mail today, finally. Stuck them in and booted up, and the bios did recognize and display proper size for both sticks. It rebooted and just left a blank screen. No windows.
Disappointing, but not totally unexpected. I am going to check around and see if there is perhaps a motherboard driver upgrade or something, but I didn't see anything like that before. Any other ideas on how to get this board to use 8 Gig instead
sticks
You would start by trying one stick at a time.
*******
But this assumes the AMD processor is not so old, it
will only run in dual channel mode or something. I think they
could run on one stick, the old ones, but the manual tells you
which slot to use if only one stick is available.
Early AMD processors, the developers did not waste their time
doing a "FLEX RAM" implementation, and there were some arcane rules
for RAM installation as a result. Today, AMD and Intel are just as
equal on FLEX RAM, and just about anything works on modern systems.
They've both done their homework now.
If the chips are nibble-wide (instead of the more common 8-bit memory chips), then the loading on ChipSelect is double the normal value.
The labeling on DIMMs is pretty well useless, in terms of warning
humans about what they bought. If you dump the SPD table, it's
a chore to interpret that and make sense out of what it says.
I have a portable floppy drive (USB to floppy) and an old memtest
diskette, and I can boot some of the older computers with that,
to test the RAM. You don't generally start by attempting to boot
Windows, because sometimes the Registry gets damaged by a nearly
successful startup.
I also have a memtest 6 beta USB flash stick, which is suited
to the AMD system I got about two years ago. No OS required while
that is doing the testing. An older version of memtest, one of
the tests runs a lot slower on AMD than it should.
On 8/21/2023 5:55 PM, sticks wrote:two sticks. I kinda want to try it just to see if it works.
On 8/8/2023 2:05 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 1:33 PM, Paul wrote:
On 8/8/2023 2:23 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 12:52 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 8/8/23 13:17, this is what sticks wrote:
Yes, I would agree. But for a computer I use for just viewing repair videos in the shop, and relatively simple things, I don't have a bunch into it having bought it used for $50 awhile back. It looks like I can find the ram for about $26 for
ThanksHell if $26 bucks won't break your budget, I'd do it! At least you'd have spare memory for later :-)
I'm gonna do it. Curiosity has taken over. ;-)
Even if your memory is maxed out though, you do know that it will swap to the hard drive, so it keeps on plugging, just a bit slower.
Yeah, I also have a 4 GB USB stick I put in and use ReadyBoost with it. It might help a little, but nothing major.
If you're just, JUST, viewing videos, you can get some very slim versions of Linux. To run youtube or open a video file and watch it, is something every Linux (I think) will do for you
Yeah, someday I'll have to get around to the whole Linux thing. I've never seriously looked into it.
The 4GB sticks are a density switch.
That could involve nibble wide chips (x4) rather than
the 16 of the x8 type on a 2GB DDR2 DIMM.
AMD is tolerant of such things. Doing that on my Intel X48
would have been out of the question. The nibble RAM doubles
the load on the CS signal.
Another question, is whether the HP BIOS is ready
for a stick like that. It has to parse the SPD and
set up the hardware for it (map the DIMM).
On my VIA chipset board, it did not have BIOS programming
to set Tsu and Th for denser RAM. Errors galore on bigger
RAM sticks was the result.
It has a limited access bios Core version 6.0 BIOS revision 5.59 (05/20/2010) and has nothing you can do with RAM. I've read of people trying to update for upgrading processor, and not reporting the best result. I'll just leave well enough alone.Â
of 4 would be appreciated.
I'll let you'll know if it worked or not when I get the sticks.
sticks (heh, that's me and I could use an upgrade too!)
Got the sticks in the mail today, finally. Stuck them in and booted up, and the bios did recognize and display proper size for both sticks. It rebooted and just left a blank screen. No windows.
Disappointing, but not totally unexpected. I am going to check around and see if there is perhaps a motherboard driver upgrade or something, but I didn't see anything like that before. Any other ideas on how to get this board to use 8 Gig instead
sticks
You would start by trying one stick at a time.
*******
But this assumes the AMD processor is not so old, it
will only run in dual channel mode or something. I think they
could run on one stick, the old ones, but the manual tells you
which slot to use if only one stick is available.
Early AMD processors, the developers did not waste their time
doing a "FLEX RAM" implementation, and there were some arcane rules
for RAM installation as a result. Today, AMD and Intel are just as
equal on FLEX RAM, and just about anything works on modern systems.
They've both done their homework now.
If the chips are nibble-wide (instead of the more common 8-bit memory chips), then the loading on ChipSelect is double the normal value.
The labeling on DIMMs is pretty well useless, in terms of warning
humans about what they bought. If you dump the SPD table, it's
a chore to interpret that and make sense out of what it says.
I have a portable floppy drive (USB to floppy) and an old memtest
diskette, and I can boot some of the older computers with that,
to test the RAM. You don't generally start by attempting to boot
Windows, because sometimes the Registry gets damaged by a nearly
successful startup.
I also have a memtest 6 beta USB flash stick, which is suited
to the AMD system I got about two years ago. No OS required while
that is doing the testing. An older version of memtest, one of
the tests runs a lot slower on AMD than it should.
On 8/21/2023 5:50 PM, Paul wrote:
On 8/21/2023 5:55 PM, sticks wrote:
On 8/8/2023 2:05 PM, sticks wrote:
Got the sticks in the mail today, finally. Stuck them in and booted
up, and the bios did recognize and display proper size for both
sticks. It rebooted and just left a blank screen. No windows.
Disappointing, but not totally unexpected. I am going to check
around and see if there is perhaps a motherboard driver upgrade or
something, but I didn't see anything like that before. Any other
ideas on how to get this board to use 8 Gig instead of 4 would be
appreciated.
sticks
You would start by trying one stick at a time.
*******
But this assumes the AMD processor is not so old, it
will only run in dual channel mode or something. I think they
could run on one stick, the old ones, but the manual tells you
which slot to use if only one stick is available.
Early AMD processors, the developers did not waste their time
doing a "FLEX RAM" implementation, and there were some arcane rules
for RAM installation as a result. Today, AMD and Intel are just as
equal on FLEX RAM, and just about anything works on modern systems.
They've both done their homework now.
If the chips are nibble-wide (instead of the more common 8-bit memory
chips),
then the loading on ChipSelect is double the normal value.
The labeling on DIMMs is pretty well useless, in terms of warning
humans about what they bought. If you dump the SPD table, it's
a chore to interpret that and make sense out of what it says.
I have a portable floppy drive (USB to floppy) and an old memtest
diskette, and I can boot some of the older computers with that,
to test the RAM. You don't generally start by attempting to boot
Windows, because sometimes the Registry gets damaged by a nearly
successful startup.
I also have a memtest 6 beta USB flash stick, which is suited
to the AMD system I got about two years ago. No OS required while
that is doing the testing. An older version of memtest, one of
the tests runs a lot slower on AMD than it should.
Writing this now with one 4GB stick in. This stick took about 25
minutes for the test to finish.
The second 4GB stick failed the memtest badly. So for now I at least
know that one slot will read a 4GB stick.
Now, I guess I'll stick in a 2 GB stick in the other slot and see if it
will boot up.
Writing this now with one 4GB stick in. This stick took about 25
minutes for the test to finish.
The second 4GB stick failed the memtest badly. So for now I at least
know that one slot will read a 4GB stick.
Now, I guess I'll stick in a 2 GB stick in the other slot and see if
it will boot up.
I believe I'm actually getting somewhere. Memtested a 2GB stick alone
in the other slot and it was fine. Put them together and just started a test and it had no immediate errors as before. Exited and the box
booted up Win10 and shows 6 GB of installed ram.
So, now I have to brush up on my Chinese and ask for a replacement stick
I guess. So, in the end, contrary to what the makers say, this board
will recognize and run on more than 2GB sticks in each slot. That was
the what I was trying to find out in the first place.
Thanks for the help!!
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I was
like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it and so did windows.
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I was
like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it and so
did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I was
like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it and so
did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking, but I originally bought two on Amazon from
a supplier that shipped from China. They shipped a replacement as soon
as I said one didn't work. All three were new. Looking at the reviews just now, it appears I was not the only one getting a stick that didn't
work, which they also replaced. Coming from there it took a while, but
the price was good for this type of RAM.
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it
and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it
and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller >refurbished" whatever that means ...
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:the only one getting a stick that didn't work, which they also replaced. Coming from there it took a while, but the price was good for this type of RAM.
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking, but I originally bought two on Amazon from a supplier that shipped from China. They shipped a replacement as soon as I said one didn't work. All three were new. Looking at the reviews just now, it appears I was not
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it
and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller >refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
here also didn't
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >> >>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it
and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
here also didn't
In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
gets you close:
"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I >>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it >>>>>> and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
here also didn't
On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I >>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it >>>>>>>> and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
here also didn't
In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
gets you close:
"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
the reader's to have to figure it out.
Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I >>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it >>>>>>> and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
here also didn't
NOS - Normally not seen often in the pc hardware market. I recognized
the term since it's used in the auto parts market - OEM and 3rd party >resellers that buy excess inventory from manufacturer and OEM's.
Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for
a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster.
- the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
On 9/5/2023 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>>>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I >>>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it >>>>>>>>> and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller >>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others >>>> here also didn't
In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google >>> gets you close:
"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
the reader's to have to figure it out.
Give it a rest, Ken. I kinda knew what he meant, which is why I
responded by saying I wasn't sure, but gave what details I could. I've >found Andy to be helpful and courteous.
He don't owe me, or you, or
anybody else squat.
Why you feel the need to always add your two cents
is beyond me. I'm not going to note some of the many annoying things
you do, as I'm sure you could do the same for me.
But just because
you're older than all of us doesn't mean you have to treat us all like >children.
It was no big deal!
On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >> >>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it
and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
here also didn't
In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
gets you close:
"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
the reader's to have to figure it out.
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
sticks wrote:
Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB >>>>>>>>> stick. Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I >>>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait. Bios recognized it >>>>>>>>> and so did windows.
Good result ..
Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
Not sure what you are asking
I found it and here is the actual link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller >>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others >>>> here also didn't
In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
gets you close:
"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
the reader's to have to figure it out.
BUT, especially on Usenet and especially in these technical groups, we
use loads of abbreviations. This was just a new one for you (and me), so
if we want to know what it means, we investigate or ask and move on. No reason to tell someone what abbreviation (s)he can and cannot use.
OTOH, AFAIK/AFAICT/AFAIR/IIRC, YMMV/YMWV.
BTW, what's your OS, CPU, RAM, SDD, HDD, etc.?
QED, HTH, HAND, EOD, NP.
On 9/6/2023 9:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller >>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others >>>> here also didn't
In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google >>> gets you close:
"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
the reader's to have to figure it out.
BUT, especially on Usenet and especially in these technical groups, we use loads of abbreviations. This was just a new one for you (and me), so
if we want to know what it means, we investigate or ask and move on. No reason to tell someone what abbreviation (s)he can and cannot use.
OTOH, AFAIK/AFAICT/AFAIR/IIRC, YMMV/YMWV.
BTW, what's your OS, CPU, RAM, SDD, HDD, etc.?
QED, HTH, HAND, EOD, NP.
I think it's faster than yours.
I expect you two, to settle this in the parking lot, with some burnouts. (Rotate tires rapidly making lots of tire smoke. You know, hotrodder stuff.)
https://www.throttlextreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Rat-Rod-spin-wheels-on-dirty-road.jpg
winston wrote:
Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for
a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster.
- the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's classical guitar, not electric.
Ken Blake wrote:
winston wrote:
Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for >>> a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster. >>> - the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's
classical guitar, not electric.
Iirc, we had this conversation some time ago.
Lot of intstruments in my life.
Started on Sax, Piano, and electric(teenage years), some classical-
traded tutoring in Differential Equations for Aria guitar, still have it
and acoustic(undergrad, post grad).
Since then mostly acoustic(Guild - D50, Martins 000-28 and D-41,
and a
Fender) and electric(Gibson, the Fender Tele, and a Heritage)
The Heritage(special order, one of one ever built) was made by the
employees that bought the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, MI when Gibson
moved all ops to Nashville.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 14:20:02 -0400, "...winston"
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
winston wrote:
Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for >>>> a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster. >>>> - the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for >>>> the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean >>>> up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate >>>> the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's
classical guitar, not electric.
Iirc, we had this conversation some time ago.
Could be. At this stage in my life (I'll soon be 86), I easily forget
many things--including all the classical guitar pieces I learn. ;-)
Lot of intstruments in my life.
I also used to play banjo, mandolin, and recorders,
Started on Sax, Piano, and electric(teenage years), some classical-
traded tutoring in Differential Equations for Aria guitar, still have it
and acoustic(undergrad, post grad).
Since then mostly acoustic(Guild - D50, Martins 000-28 and D-41,
I still have a Martin D-35, but I never play it these days.
and a
Fender) and electric(Gibson, the Fender Tele, and a Heritage)
The Heritage(special order, one of one ever built) was made by the
employees that bought the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, MI when Gibson
moved all ops to Nashville.
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