• Re: Horrible design of Apple's soldered in SSDs; it's WORSE than you th

    From nospam@21:1/5 to David.B@nomail.afraid.org on Tue Aug 8 11:35:23 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    In article <M2tAM.103866$X02a.64099@fx46.iad>, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    no.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Tue Aug 8 12:53:26 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    That's quite a nice business model.

    I didn't listen to the whole thing, because Youtube
    inserted an advert and I shut it down, but it should be
    noted that the engineering did not need to be done that way.
    It was done that way because their boss said:

    MAKE ME SOME HANDCUFFS

    That is handcuff engineering, where purposeful non-modular
    design is done, to complicate anything that happens downstream.

    If you didn't do that, and you were doing this:

    Base model $1000 256GB
    High model $1600 1024GB

    the customers would buy $1000 model and insert $100 1TB storage
    from Costco their own selves, and have a $1600 computer for only $1100.

    By using that arcane, non-modular scheme, that prevents
    easy upgrading. Which is predictable. Without even opening
    a computer and looking inside, just by looking at a price
    chart, you can "predict" which parts of the machine have
    HANDCUFFs in place. You can't have a pricing model like that,
    if the storage has a SATA connector. If you were designing
    laptops, you would instead use three different Intel processor
    model numbers for your "small/medium/large" pricing model. Changing
    out an Intel BGA processor is a bit risky, on low quality motherboards,
    so only a few people would have the skill to offer 100% guarantee of
    success.

    Intel had put HANDCUFFs in their $17 processor, as part of
    this sort of model of doing business. That's how you could
    have an Intel-based tablet, with 1GB of soldered down RAM, and
    because it was Intel handcuffs that prevented more than 1GB of
    RAM from working, the manufacturer could not make a 2GB model
    and differentiate. That HANDCUFF model, prevented $17 processors
    from replacing Intel $300 laptop processors. It was there to
    stratify the Intel ladder model. Intel has since fixed that,
    by not even offering a $17 processor :-)

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
    and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
    you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>

    Paul

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Paul on Tue Aug 8 18:39:23 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac, alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    That's quite a nice business model.

    I didn't listen to the whole thing, because Youtube
    inserted an advert and I shut it down, but it should be
    noted that the engineering did not need to be done that way.
    It was done that way because their boss said:

    MAKE ME SOME HANDCUFFS

    That is handcuff engineering, where purposeful non-modular
    design is done, to complicate anything that happens downstream.

    If you didn't do that, and you were doing this:

    Base model $1000 256GB
    High model $1600 1024GB

    the customers would buy $1000 model and insert $100 1TB storage
    from Costco their own selves, and have a $1600 computer for only $1100.

    By using that arcane, non-modular scheme, that prevents
    easy upgrading. Which is predictable. Without even opening
    a computer and looking inside, just by looking at a price
    chart, you can "predict" which parts of the machine have
    HANDCUFFs in place. You can't have a pricing model like that,
    if the storage has a SATA connector. If you were designing
    laptops, you would instead use three different Intel processor
    model numbers for your "small/medium/large" pricing model. Changing
    out an Intel BGA processor is a bit risky, on low quality motherboards,
    so only a few people would have the skill to offer 100% guarantee of
    success.

    Intel had put HANDCUFFs in their $17 processor, as part of
    this sort of model of doing business. That's how you could
    have an Intel-based tablet, with 1GB of soldered down RAM, and
    because it was Intel handcuffs that prevented more than 1GB of
    RAM from working, the manufacturer could not make a 2GB model
    and differentiate. That HANDCUFF model, prevented $17 processors
    from replacing Intel $300 laptop processors. It was there to
    stratify the Intel ladder model. Intel has since fixed that,
    by not even offering a $17 processor :-)

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
    and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
    you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>



    Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

    Much appreciated. :-)

    Did you read any of the many 'Comments' under the YT video?

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    David

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what David Brooks on Tue Aug 8 13:44:42 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 8/8/23 11:20, this is what David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
    TL:DR; I watched a bit of the movie and if I get the jist, Apple screwed you by design both physical and intellectually.
    I want to swap drives, and memory. I'd also like to replace batteries in laptops but that seems to be going by the
    wayside!
    --
    Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
    Al

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 07:29:43 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac, alt.computer.workshop

    Am 11.08.23 um 07:18 schrieb Gremlin:
    --
    I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.

    Didn't really help.

    --
    Alea iacta est

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  • From Gremlin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 05:18:32 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac, alt.computer.workshop

    David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
    news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs their gear that you are so thrilled with

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
    and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
    you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>



    Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

    He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
    years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
    argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

    So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own words.

    Much appreciated. :-)

    Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone responds to you at all, going by your known history.




    --
    I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.
    At my first session the therapist said to me, "Imagine a train is coming towards you, what do you do?" I said, "I get in my helicopter and fly away"
    He said, "Where did you get the helicopter from?" I said, "The same fuckin place you got that train"

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Gremlin on Fri Aug 11 12:26:27 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac, alt.computer.workshop

    On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
    David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs their gear that you are so thrilled with

    I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
    and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component, >>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>



    Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

    He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
    years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

    I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
    competitors.

    So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own words.

    Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
    things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

    Much appreciated. :-)

    Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone responds to you at all, going by your known history.

    Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Big Al on Fri Aug 11 12:18:48 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 08/08/2023 18:44, Big Al wrote:
    On 8/8/23 11:20, this is what David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
    TL:DR; I watched a bit of the movie and if I get the jist, Apple screwed
    you by design both physical and intellectually.

    It's a matter of choice. Apple make products and folk decide for
    themselves whether or not to buy them. Their operating systems are
    unique, but I do have Linux Mint running on my old 24 inch iMac!

    I want to swap drives, and memory.   I'd also like to replace batteries
    in laptops but that seems to be going by the wayside!

    I used to be able to mend just about anything which went wrong with my
    car. Nowadays, though, I prefer to have maintenance and repairs done by
    a garage.

    --
    David

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Aug 11 15:13:08 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Aug 11, 2023 at 4:26:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad>:

    On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
    David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
    news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
    alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you >> should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs >> their gear that you are so thrilled with

    I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
    and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component, >>>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>



    Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

    He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
    years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
    argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

    I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its competitors.

    So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own >> words.

    Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
    things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

    Much appreciated. :-)

    Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone >> responds to you at all, going by your known history.

    Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!

    I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make them like that?

    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Aug 11 16:00:31 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Aug 11, 2023 at 8:33:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <vxsBM.359425$xMqa.144015@fx12.iad>:

    On 11/08/2023 16:13, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 11, 2023 at 4:26:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad>:

    On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
    David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
    news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you
    should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs
    their gear that you are so thrilled with

    I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing, >>>>>> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
    you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>



    Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

    He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several >>>> years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to >>>> argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

    I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
    competitors.

    So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
    words.

    Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
    things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

    Much appreciated. :-)

    Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
    responds to you at all, going by your known history.

    Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it! >>
    I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
    them like that?

    I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.

    IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

    Whatever has happened I sincerely wish he would seek help. I have been open that because of my atypical (POTS / dysautonomia / anxiety / panic) I have sought help. There is no shame to it.

    He has no idea how much he needs such help.

    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Snit on Fri Aug 11 16:33:47 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 11/08/2023 16:13, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 11, 2023 at 4:26:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad>:

    On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
    David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
    news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
    alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
    On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    Louis Rossman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

    The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

    Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

    He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you >>> should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs >>> their gear that you are so thrilled with

    I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

    Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
    and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component, >>>>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>



    Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

    He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
    years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to >>> argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

    I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
    competitors.

    So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
    words.

    Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
    things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

    Much appreciated. :-)

    Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
    responds to you at all, going by your known history.

    Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!

    I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
    them like that?

    I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.

    IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

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  • From Kelly Phillips@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 12:45:06 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:33:47 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 11/08/2023 16:13, Snit wrote:

    I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
    them like that?

    I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.

    You'd know something about bad parenting, having spent an adult lifetime at it.

    IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

    I don't know if that's true, but it would still be better than losing a child.

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  • From Gremlin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 04:36:11 2023
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac, alt.computer.workshop

    David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
    news:DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:26:27 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
    He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that
    you should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really
    designs their gear that you are so thrilled with

    I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

    Well! So you do sometimes listen to me, then. :)

    He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
    years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting
    to argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

    I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its competitors.

    Deliberately making things un repairable, or limited with direct soldering
    like that is not a good example of great engineering, imho.

    So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In
    your own words.

    Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
    things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

    Fair enough. I have a very high amount of respect for Paul as well. He's
    very knowledgeable and knows components at a very intimate level.

    Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that
    anyone responds to you at all, going by your known history.

    Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try
    it!

    I do, on a daily basis. it's what I consider to be a normal thing for a
    human to do.



    --
    I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.
    At my first session the therapist said to me, "Imagine a train is coming towards you, what do you do?" I said, "I get in my helicopter and fly away"
    He said, "Where did you get the helicopter from?" I said, "The same fuckin place you got that train"

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