• Thunderbird question

    From Graham J@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 12:23:44 2023
    Thunderbird 102.13.0 (32-bit) on Windows 10 Home 64-bit

    Failed after a MS update with: "Unable to write email to mailbox".

    Checked file system and privileges - all OK. Googling suggest mailbox
    profile is corrupted, so delete it and make a new account from scratch.
    Same problem.

    T'bird downloads 17 messages then the error appears.

    Review emails using webmail - match the oldest 17 messages with those
    shown in T'bird - then delete 18th message.

    T'bird now downloads remaining emails correctly.

    So the problem was a corrupt email. I failed to note who it was from
    but it may have been sales@travelwithfredolsen.co.uk or discover@fredholidays.co.uk or fredcruises@fredholidays.co.uk.

    I haven't seen this type of problem for over 20 years - it used to be
    common in the days of POP3 and pre-2000 versions of Outlook. So is the
    a known bug in T'bird which makes it susceptible to such issues?

    TIA

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Graham J on Thu Jul 27 08:02:16 2023
    "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote

    | So the problem was a corrupt email. I failed to note who it was from
    | but it may have been sales@travelwithfredolsen.co.uk or
    | discover@fredholidays.co.uk or fredcruises@fredholidays.co.uk.
    |
    | I haven't seen this type of problem for over 20 years - it used to be
    | common in the days of POP3 and pre-2000 versions of Outlook. So is the
    | a known bug in T'bird which makes it susceptible to such issues?
    |

    I've never heard of anything like that. It's certainly
    not a POP3 issue. That's just a protocol. I never stopped
    using it. (I don't use a cellphone, so there's no reason
    for me to leave email on the server.)

    It might be informative to look at the source code on
    the webmail. Though I don't know whether that will actually
    show you the original email code or only a webpage version.

    Another possibility: Do you enable HTML email? You
    could try disabling that. Also disable javascript in the
    config settings. (It should be disabled anyway, but isn't
    by default.)

    Aside from that I can think of 3 possible issues. One would
    be a corrupted malware email. Another would be some kind
    of restriction from Windows or AV that's blocking an email for
    being suspcious but not telling you. The third would be changes
    in file format. I've noticed that it's changed a lot in recent
    years. There are lots of new things in headers. There are
    HTML emails with no text version. It used to be that all
    email was multi-part if there was an HTML version. A plain
    text version was still required. But so many entities are paying
    subcontractors these days and webmail has gone batty. I get
    a newsletter from one organization where the text version is
    junk text. In the most recent one, I saw a March 2023 newsletter
    in plain text, while the HTML was a July newsletter! That's
    in T-Bird.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 15:44:41 2023
    On 2023-07-27 14:02, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote

    ...


    Another possibility: Do you enable HTML email? You
    could try disabling that. Also disable javascript in the
    config settings. (It should be disabled anyway, but isn't
    by default.)

    Nah. Not an issue.


    Aside from that I can think of 3 possible issues. One would
    be a corrupted malware email. Another would be some kind
    of restriction from Windows or AV that's blocking an email for
    being suspcious but not telling you.

    Yes, yes.


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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what Carlos E.R. on Thu Jul 27 10:50:01 2023
    On 7/27/23 09:44, this is what Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-07-27 14:02, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote

    ...


       Another possibility: Do you enable HTML email? You
    could try disabling that. Also disable javascript in the
    config settings. (It should be disabled anyway, but isn't
    by default.)

    Nah. Not an issue.


       Aside from that I can think of 3 possible issues. One would
    be a corrupted malware email. Another would be some kind
    of restriction from Windows or AV that's blocking an email for
    being suspcious but not telling you.

    Yes, yes.


    Nothing against the uk, but I get a lot of spam from ...co.uk sites
    --
    Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
    Al

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 18:47:58 2023
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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what Ed Cryer on Thu Jul 27 14:30:03 2023
    On 7/27/23 13:47, this is what Ed Cryer wrote:
    Big Al wrote:
    On 7/27/23 09:44, this is what Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-07-27 14:02, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote

    ...


       Another possibility: Do you enable HTML email? You
    could try disabling that. Also disable javascript in the
    config settings. (It should be disabled anyway, but isn't
    by default.)

    Nah. Not an issue.


       Aside from that I can think of 3 possible issues. One would
    be a corrupted malware email. Another would be some kind
    of restriction from Windows or AV that's blocking an email for
    being suspcious but not telling you.

    Yes, yes.


    Nothing against the uk, but I get a lot of spam from ...co.uk sites

    It sounds as though you have at least one thing against the UK!

    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's
    forecast is for more of the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!

    Ed
    Yep the world sure is screwed up lately. In the US we have drought in the central, fires in the west and the east is
    flooding. If we could just spread the wealth around things would be tip-top!

    PS I like the UK, it's just the spam from the area that I get. Or at least spam with co.uk on the end. I'm not sure
    that really means its a UK origin or not now a days. Almost anything can be bought to faked.
    --
    Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
    Al

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to ed@somewhere.in.the.uk on Thu Jul 27 19:24:18 2023
    In message <u9ual7$1udrh$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
    <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> writes
    <snip>
    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not stopped >raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is for more
    of the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!

    I also live in the UK, but I'd far rather have the rain than
    temperatures of around 40C.
    --
    John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
    like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
    its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
    Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Thu Jul 27 19:34:50 2023
    Ed Cryer wrote:

    I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not stopped
    raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is for more of
    the same.

    Get all your "dry day" jobs ready to go tomorrow!

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Big Al on Thu Jul 27 22:59:15 2023
    On 2023-07-27 20:30, Big Al wrote:
    On 7/27/23 13:47, this is what Ed Cryer wrote:
    Big Al wrote:
    On 7/27/23 09:44, this is what Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-07-27 14:02, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote

    ...

    Nothing against the uk, but I get a lot of spam from ...co.uk sites

    It sounds as though you have at least one thing against the UK!

    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not
    stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is
    for more of the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!

    Ed
    Yep the world sure is screwed up lately.  In the US we have drought in
    the central, fires in the west and the east is flooding.   If we could
    just spread the wealth around things would be tip-top!

    PS I like the UK, it's just the spam from the area that I get.  Or at
    least spam with co.uk on the end.   I'm not sure that really means its a
    UK origin or not now a days.  Almost anything can be bought to faked.

    If "spam" has an identifiable domain, it is easier to filter, they are
    probably "good chaps" trying to make business. The bad spam have forged domains, or addresses that they throw away after one use, and they do a
    lot of effort to make filtering hard.


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to John Hall on Thu Jul 27 22:55:46 2023
    On 2023-07-27 20:24, John Hall wrote:
    In message <u9ual7$1udrh$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
    <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> writes
    <snip>
    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not
    stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is
    for more of the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!

    I also live in the UK, but I'd far rather have the rain than
    temperatures of around 40C.

    Any of the two things in excess cause crops to fail.

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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Jul 28 06:42:56 2023
    Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
    Big Al wrote:
    On 7/27/23 09:44, this is what Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-07-27 14:02, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote

    ...


       Another possibility: Do you enable HTML email? You
    could try disabling that. Also disable javascript in the
    config settings. (It should be disabled anyway, but isn't
    by default.)

    Nah. Not an issue.


       Aside from that I can think of 3 possible issues. One would
    be a corrupted malware email. Another would be some kind
    of restriction from Windows or AV that's blocking an email for
    being suspcious but not telling you.

    Yes, yes.


    Nothing against the uk, but I get a lot of spam from ...co.uk sites

    It sounds as though you have at least one thing against the UK!

    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is for more of
    the same.

    You must be in a very unfortunate part of the UK. We've had quite a few
    nice days here - east coast of Scotland - in the last month. We've also had very heavy rain showers at times too.

    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!

    So did we in June. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/03/fears-of-further-fish-deaths-after-hottest-june-in-uk-history

    Ed


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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Jul 28 09:48:09 2023
    On 27/07/2023 18:47, Ed Cryer wrote:

    SNIP <

    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is for more of
    the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!


    Best UK summer we've had for years.

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Big Al on Fri Jul 28 09:56:43 2023
    On 27/07/2023 15:50, Big Al wrote:

    snip <

    Nothing against the uk, but I get a lot of spam from ...co.uk sites

    Very rarely see any spam.
    Spam filters work well in Hotmail & Gmail.
    Those that get caught mainly seem to come from Italy.

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to wasbit on Fri Jul 28 11:19:43 2023
    On 28/07/2023 09:48, wasbit wrote:
    On 27/07/2023 18:47, Ed Cryer wrote:

    SNIP <

    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not
    stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is
    for more of the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!


    Best UK summer we've had for years.

    It's been mostly good here in Devon but July has been below par.

    I suspect Ed lives somewhere around the Wigan area (50 mile radius!)

    --
    David

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to David.B@nomail.afraid.org on Thu Oct 26 14:56:14 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:19:43 +0100, David Brooks
    <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Me, I live in the UK, and I have one thing against it; it's not
    stopped raining for the past month, and the week ahead's forecast is
    for more of the same.
    All this while southern Europe hits record high temperatures!

    Best UK summer we've had for years.

    It's been mostly good here in Devon but July has been below par.

    I suspect Ed lives somewhere around the Wigan area (50 mile radius!)

    My daughter emigrated to the UK in 2014 and lived in London for
    several years before deciding to buy a row house in Brighton last
    year.

    As a result I now routinely look up London temperatures in our daily
    paper (which lists weather for 30 or so non-North American cities).
    It's typically about 5-10 C above us in Vancouver but usually rains at
    the same time which is not nearly as often as the previous poster
    claims.

    I also have a cousin (native of wa.usa) who while in Europe met the
    man of her dreams (a Portugese) and lives in Paris with hubby, dog +
    cat and two sons (she's a commercial realtor) which is rather
    remarkable for somebody who grew up about 70 miles north of Seattle
    and not far south of the US/Canadian border. She says it's a little
    warmer than her but not much.

    (That was my one trip into the US since COVID - her mother's wake)

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