David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you
were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are gurus, many are not.
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they will be schooling me in?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh, old bean.
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you
were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are >> gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they >> will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You >> were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh, >> old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong.
Please add your thoughts to
the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you
were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are >> gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they >> will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You >> were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh, >> old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to
the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
On 8/5/2023 9:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:
Please add your thoughts to
the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
Uh, I think that's not a forum.
That's where you go to get your shoes shined.
You couldn't pay me to go there.
*******
There are private (enthusiast) Apple forums
where you can ask technical questions.
alt.comp.os.windows-10 is not likely to have a cluster
of Macosians in it. Neither would a FreeBSD question get
a good answer here.
David, you have one of those fancy-wizzy Apple thingies,
you could look at your screen and make the numbers add up.
I'm sure you could manage a better answer than
"you should have bought a more-expensive computer".
This is the kind of tool I like for reviewing local storage
and locating "garbage to be removed". On Windows, this is
SequoiaView. On Linux, it is qdirstat (or kdirstat for the KDE flavour).
I'm pretty sure one of the porting facilities on MacOS will
have one of those.
https://www.addictivetips.com/app/uploads/2018/09/qdirstat-files.png
On 06/08/2023 01:38, Paul wrote:
On 8/5/2023 9:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:
Please add your thoughts to
the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
Uh, I think that's not a forum.
That's where you go to get your shoes shined.
You couldn't pay me to go there.
What a VERY odd thing to say! <shock>
Do tell of your personal experience of this website:- https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
*******
There are private (enthusiast) Apple forums
where you can ask technical questions.
Please name them.
alt.comp.os.windows-10 is not likely to have a cluster
of Macosians in it. Neither would a FreeBSD question get
a good answer here.
There ARE though, good, reliable, people posting here.
YOU are a prime example! :-D
David, you have one of those fancy-wizzy Apple thingies,
you could look at your screen and make the numbers add up.
I do indeed! One of which (iMac 2007) is running Linux Mint!
I'm sure you could manage a better answer than
"you should have bought a more-expensive computer".
Do spare a few moments to watch THIS explanation of how the Mac actually deals with duplicate files:- https://youtu.be/fd9X6Tg3XwQ
This is the kind of tool I like for reviewing local storage
and locating "garbage to be removed". On Windows, this is
SequoiaView. On Linux, it is qdirstat (or kdirstat for the KDE flavour).
I'm pretty sure one of the porting facilities on MacOS will
have one of those.
https://www.addictivetips.com/app/uploads/2018/09/qdirstat-files.png
I will review/investigate!
Thank you for taking time out to help me, Paul. I really do appreciate it. :-D
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are >>> gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to
the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into nonsense lala land. As he does.
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them >>>> are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think >>>> they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. >>>> You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from >>>> some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up >>>> what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. >>>> What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, >>>> eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a
new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data,
with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser)
but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes
being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of
APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is
compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new >> file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with >> what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but >> it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being >> tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS >> being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared >> to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them >>>>> are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think >>>>> they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. >>>>> You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from >>>>> some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up >>>>> what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. >>>>> What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, >>>>> eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a >>> new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data,
with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) >>> but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes
being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of
APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is
compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >>> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >>> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
This one is a little longer, perhaps better, explainer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I7fg930Deg
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new >> file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with >> what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but >> it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being >> tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS >> being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared >> to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >>> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >>> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >>> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >>> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:52:46 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are >>> gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong.
Actually, that should be your default position, the natural starting point, because let's face it, he's almost always wrong. It's just easier to start there, and if necessary, you can change your position if he turns out to be right about something.
I'm saying "almost always wrong" in order to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don't remember him being right about any technical topic, but it's theoretically possible.
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new >> file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with >> what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but >> it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being >> tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS >> being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared >> to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
On 8/6/2023 7:18 AM, David Brooks wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >>> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >>> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
There's a little more info here.
https://eshop.macsales.com/blog/43043-using-apfs-on-hdds-and-why-you-might-not-want-to/
Paul
On 2023-08-06, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing you? >> You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I'm reasonably certain that David knows full well that snit is a whiny little poser. As soon as
David no longer needs snit, he will throw him under the bus,
The one caveat is why would David need snit?
Nobody else seems to.
On 8/6/2023 7:18 AM, David Brooks wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >>> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >>> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
There's a little more info here.
https://eshop.macsales.com/blog/43043-using-apfs-on-hdds-and-why-you-might-not-want-to/
David Brooks submitted this idea :[....]
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file
browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent
nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file
changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his
comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land
of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is
compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS...
maybe
even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went
into
nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
This one is a little longer, perhaps better, explainer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I7fg930Deg
On Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:24:20 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
wrote:
On 2023-08-06, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing you?
You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I'm reasonably certain that David knows full well that snit is a whiny little poser. As soon as
David no longer needs snit, he will throw him under the bus,
The one caveat is why would David need snit?
Nobody else seems to.
The best way I can describe the relationship between David and Snit is like this. Sometimes, two turds in a toilet bowl get stuck to each other, creating a
single bigger turd. Like you said, it's a relationship that's guaranteed not to
last.
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land
On 06/08/2023 16:36, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :[....]
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file
browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent >>>> nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file
changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his >>>> comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land
of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is
compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS...
maybe
even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went
into
nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
This one is a little longer, perhaps better, explainer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I7fg930Deg
Hi Rafters :-D
Thank you so much for providing this video. I've now had the chance to
watch it and gain a modicum of understanding. So much has changed over
the last 40 years. I've 'found' a missing photograph of my late son,
Nick, working at our BBC 'B' computer circa 1983/84.
https://ibb.co/B3Hk0gT
I learned, along with him, all there was to know about basic computing
way back then, but I was never, ever, a professional in the craft.
The Internet today has so very much to offer and everything here on my
iMac works as if by magic. I don't NEED to know HOW it works, just make
sure that it does! ;-)
I really value the help and advice which you have given me over many
years. Thanks again. It is very much appreciated.
On Aug 6, 2023 at 12:20:20 PM MST, "Kelly Phillips" wrote
<sfsvcipulpmp0od7lre4icqi66o7tc1ff4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in >>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you >>>>>>>> were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting. >>>>>>>Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>>> you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them are
gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think they
will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on me. You
were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to read from some of
the others who post here with technical backgrounds have all backed up what I
wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What
do you have to say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your thoughts to >>>>> the thread here:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, where a new
file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is the same data, with
what happens when one of those files is opened and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file browser) but
it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is incoherent >>>> nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced file changes being
tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I do not know... but his >>>> comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land of APFS
being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which it is compared
to other natural file systems to compare it to (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe >>>> even FAT32/64) he could not understand that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went into >>>> nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing you? >> You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I quoted Gremlin.
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
It is not like I was wrong.
He still jumped in to attack and insist I was wrong
about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
The Internet today has so very much to offer and everything here on my
iMac works as if by magic. I don't NEED to know HOW it works, just make
sure that it does! ;-)
Even with not knowing the back end, it is good to know that if you copy a 10 GB file you are not taking an additional 10 GB of space,
and you can still make changes to either file. This is very different
than what we had in the past.
There's a little more info here.
https://eshop.macsales.com/blog/43043-using-apfs-on-hdds-and-why-you-might-not-want-to/
Paul
Remember reading about these issues when APFS was new. It is still fairly new,
but old enough I have forgotten details.
Thanks.
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you admitting you
were trolling me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of them
are gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you think
they will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over on
me. You were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it nice to
read from some of the others who post here with technical backgrounds
have all backed up what I wrote, while, not supporting - as in telling
him that he's wrong - Snit. What do you have to say about that David?
It didn't turn out as you expected, eh, old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy nottaking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
Please add your thoughts to the thread here:-https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
On 06/08/2023 01:38, Paul wrote:
Thank you for taking time out to help me, Paul. I really do appreciate
it. :-D
On 2023-08-06, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2023 at 12:20:20 PM MST, "Kelly Phillips" wrote >><sfsvcipulpmp0od7lre4icqi66o7tc1ff4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
<David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 >>>>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>>> very dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you >>>>>>>>> admitting you were trolling me or anyone else previously though. >>>>>>>>> Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there >>>>>>>> school you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of >>>>>>> them are gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you >>>>>>> think they will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over >>>>>>> on me. You were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it
nice to read from some of the others who post here with technical >>>>>>> backgrounds have all backed up what I wrote, while, not supporting >>>>>>> - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What do you have to
say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your
thoughts to the thread here:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY,
where a new file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is >>>>> the same data, with what happens when one of those files is opened
and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file
browser) but it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is
incoherent nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced >>>>> file changes being tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I
do not know... but his comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land >>>>> of APFS being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new,
which it is compared to other natural file systems to compare it to
(HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe even FAT32/64) he could not understand
that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and
went into nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally
BSing you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you
are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I quoted Gremlin.
I'll quote you making your admission that JD was right about reporting (despite your babbling about "marketing"):
"Very much marketing... but with that said, Apple does report free space poorly. I can delete gigs of data and it does not change anything. But
then it changes later."
And here's Gremlin's reply, a logical question given the limited info:
"Are you actually deleting then, or is it being sent to temp storage in
case you change your mind for a period of time?"
Notably, you then shot back 'the way you often do', with:
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that they are not just being put in the Trash (or Recycle Bin
in Windows terms) but that this is being emptied."
You've clearly suggested he's not even a "moderately technical reader".
Equally 'notable', elsewhere you wrote:
"Some of this comes from the new(er) file system where if you have a 10
GB file and you copy it, in the background it is not really copied. The
only thing saved in the new file are changes you make. But this means if
you delete either 10 GB file you do not free 10 GB of space. It makes
things more efficient but can be confusing when clearing out files to
make space. Does not explain why things take time though."
Let's "note" what you *didn't* say there, that you felt compelled to subsequently add when Gremlin correctly "noted" circumstances for
copying a file in certain instances, instances that *hadn't* yet been determined:
"If I copy file a from location one to location two; it should be a
complete copy."
And, of course, if one understand the difference between "copy" and "Copy-On-Write", as also "noted" below, that statement is factually
correct in some circumstances (you know, the thing you *hadn't* covered
yet to make your 'sale').
To that, you subsequently felt compelled to add what I 'noted' above: "Assuming the same volume, that is not the case with APFS."
IOW, all this bluster of yours, where you're trying to 'sell' the idea
that he's not even a "moderately technical reader", is based on a
timeline context that you're trying to take advantage of to 'make the sale'... but people aren't as stupid as you need them to be, they just aren't. For some reason, you struggle with this despite how many "show"
you they aren't.
I suggest you "note" FTR's comment about a language barrier and the use
of the term "Copy-On-Write" as mentioned by FTR and seen in the video he linked to. Why? The best answer to that is to use what you tried to use
on Gremlin...
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that" there are technical terms delineating "copy" from "Copy-On-Write" (and Redirect-On_Write), a thing that Gremlin appears to
have delineated... a thing you failed to delineate... as well as failing
to initially point out you were 'copying' to what you had to
subsequently add in order to make your 'sales' attempt: "the same
volume".
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
Same issue, that video "showed" you used the term "copy" when you should
have used the term "Copy-On-Write" and any "moderately technical reader" would agree with that... were he/she "honest and honorable" about
'talking tech'. FTR has stated that Gremlin knows about this, so what's
next for your 'sales pitch'?
It is not like I was wrong.
You did what you've often done, used laymen terms *as* you tried to
'sell' the idea that it's your 'opponent' who isn't a "moderately
technical reader" and not *you*, Mr. Dishonest Hypocrite.
He still jumped in to attack and insist I was wrong
about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
BTW, did you happen to notice when FTR told you that you were "wrong"
about Gremlin being "lost", he used the phrase " actual new complete
file"? Words have meaning for a reason and they're even more important
in 'tech talking', Mr. "moderately technical reader".
On 2023-08-06, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2023 at 12:20:20 PM MST, "Kelly Phillips" wrote >><sfsvcipulpmp0od7lre4icqi66o7tc1ff4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
<David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally
BSing you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you
are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I quoted Gremlin.
I'll quote you making your admission that JD was right about reporting (despite your babbling about "marketing"):
"Very much marketing... but with that said, Apple does report free space poorly. I can delete gigs of data and it does not change anything. But
then it changes later."
And here's Gremlin's reply, a logical question given the limited info:
"Are you actually deleting then, or is it being sent to temp storage in
case you change your mind for a period of time?"
Notably, you then shot back 'the way you often do', with:
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that they are not just being put in the Trash (or Recycle Bin
in Windows terms) but that this is being emptied."
You've clearly suggested he's not even a "moderately technical reader".
Equally 'notable', elsewhere you wrote:
"Some of this comes from the new(er) file system where if you have a 10
GB file and you copy it, in the background it is not really copied. The
only thing saved in the new file are changes you make. But this means if
you delete either 10 GB file you do not free 10 GB of space. It makes
things more efficient but can be confusing when clearing out files to
make space. Does not explain why things take time though."
Let's "note" what you *didn't* say there, that you felt compelled to subsequently add when Gremlin correctly "noted" circumstances for
copying a file in certain instances, instances that *hadn't* yet been determined:
"If I copy file a from location one to location two; it should be a
complete copy."
And, of course, if one understand the difference between "copy" and "Copy-On-Write", as also "noted" below, that statement is factually
correct in some circumstances (you know, the thing you *hadn't* covered
yet to make your 'sale').
To that, you subsequently felt compelled to add what I 'noted' above: "Assuming the same volume, that is not the case with APFS."
IOW, all this bluster of yours, where you're trying to 'sell' the idea
that he's not even a "moderately technical reader", is based on a
timeline context that you're trying to take advantage of to 'make the sale'... but people aren't as stupid as you need them to be, they just aren't. For some reason, you struggle with this despite how many "show"
you they aren't.
I suggest you "note" FTR's comment about a language barrier and the use
of the term "Copy-On-Write" as mentioned by FTR and seen in the video he linked to. Why? The best answer to that is to use what you tried to use
on Gremlin...
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that" there are technical terms delineating "copy" from "Copy-On-Write" (and Redirect-On_Write), a thing that Gremlin appears to
have delineated... a thing you failed to delineate... as well as failing
to initially point out you were 'copying' to what you had to
subsequently add in order to make your 'sales' attempt: "the same
volume".
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
Same issue, that video "showed" you used the term "copy" when you should
have used the term "Copy-On-Write" and any "moderately technical reader" would agree with that... were he/she "honest and honorable" about
'talking tech'. FTR has stated that Gremlin knows about this, so what's
next for your 'sales pitch'?
It is not like I was wrong.
You did what you've often done, used laymen terms *as* you tried to
'sell' the idea that it's your 'opponent' who isn't a "moderately
technical reader" and not *you*, Mr. Dishonest Hypocrite.
He still jumped in to attack and insist I was wrong
about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
BTW, did you happen to notice when FTR told you that you were "wrong"
about Gremlin being "lost", he used the phrase " actual new complete
file"? Words have meaning for a reason and they're even more important
in 'tech talking', Mr. "moderately technical reader".
On Aug 6, 2023 at 12:20:20 PM MST, "Kelly Phillips" wrote <sfsvcipulpmp0od7lre4icqi66o7tc1ff4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
<David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>> very dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you
admitting you were trolling me or anyone else previously though. >>>>>>>> Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there
school you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of >>>>>> them are gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you
think they will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one overI'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your
on me. You were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it
nice to read from some of the others who post here with technical
backgrounds have all backed up what I wrote, while, not supporting >>>>>> - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What do you have to say >>>>>> about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh, old bean. >>>>>
thoughts to the thread here:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY,
where a new file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is
the same data, with what happens when one of those files is opened
and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file
browser) but it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is
incoherent nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced
file changes being tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I
do not know... but his comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land
of APFS being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new, which
it is compared to other natural file systems to compare it to
(HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe even FAT32/64) he could not understand
that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and went
into nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing
you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I quoted Gremlin.
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
It is not like I was wrong.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy nottaking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
wrong about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> news:8cUzM.460099$mPI2.342948@fx15.iad Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:24:20 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-06, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing
you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I'm reasonably certain that David knows full well that snit is a whiny
little poser. As soon as David no longer needs snit, he will throw him
under the bus, The one caveat is why would David need snit?
Nobody else seems to.
Snit and I aren't 'friends'; it's for that reason Snit is of use to him. No, I'm not BSing in the least little bit. It's a known pattern with David Brooks. He used pcbutts for the same purpose, and contrary to what he claims now, he did claim pcbutts was a friend, just like he claims snit is, until pcbutts was of no further use to him.
You can fact check me, by reviewing alt.comp.freeware and alt.comp.virus. It's two places where pcbutts was doing his thing, and David was supporting him, just like he supports snit here.
How many posts in this thread alone has David tried to back snit, despite
the fact, Snit was wrong concerning the subject? Not only tried to back him, but continued to attack me as he did so.
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> news:8cUzM.460099$mPI2.342948@fx15.iad Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:24:20 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-06, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing
you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I'm reasonably certain that David knows full well that snit is a whiny
little poser. As soon as David no longer needs snit, he will throw him
under the bus, The one caveat is why would David need snit?
Nobody else seems to.
Snit and I aren't 'friends'; it's for that reason Snit is of use to him. No, I'm not BSing in the least little bit. It's a known pattern with David Brooks. He used pcbutts for the same purpose, and contrary to what he claims now, he did claim pcbutts was a friend, just like he claims snit is, until pcbutts was of no further use to him.
You can fact check me, by reviewing alt.comp.freeware and alt.comp.virus. It's two places where pcbutts was doing his thing, and David was supporting him, just like he supports snit here.
How many posts in this thread alone has David tried to back snit, despite
the fact, Snit was wrong concerning the subject? Not only tried to back him, but continued to attack me as he did so.
On 2023-08-07, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:Given the choice between betting on snit or the three legged horse, I would take the 3 legged horse
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
news:8cUzM.460099$mPI2.342948@fx15.iad Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:24:20 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-06, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally BSing >>>> you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I'm reasonably certain that David knows full well that snit is a whiny
little poser. As soon as David no longer needs snit, he will throw him
under the bus, The one caveat is why would David need snit?
Nobody else seems to.
Snit and I aren't 'friends'; it's for that reason Snit is of use to him. No, >> I'm not BSing in the least little bit. It's a known pattern with David
Brooks. He used pcbutts for the same purpose, and contrary to what he claims >> now, he did claim pcbutts was a friend, just like he claims snit is, until >> pcbutts was of no further use to him.
You can fact check me, by reviewing alt.comp.freeware and alt.comp.virus.
It's two places where pcbutts was doing his thing, and David was supporting >> him, just like he supports snit here.
How many posts in this thread alone has David tried to back snit, despite
the fact, Snit was wrong concerning the subject? Not only tried to back him, >> but continued to attack me as he did so.
Backing snit is like betting on a 3 legged horse in The Kentucky Derby.
It's a sure loser.
On 2023-08-07, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
news:uar4oq$2u04t$1@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Mon, 07 Aug 2023
16:05:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-06, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2023 at 12:20:20 PM MST, "Kelly Phillips" wrote >>>><sfsvcipulpmp0od7lre4icqi66o7tc1ff4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
<David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 >>>>>>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>>>>> very dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you >>>>>>>>>>> admitting you were trolling me or anyone else previously though. >>>>>>>>>>> Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there >>>>>>>>>> school you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of >>>>>>>>> them are gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you >>>>>>>>> think they will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over >>>>>>>>> on me. You were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it >>>>>>>>> nice to read from some of the others who post here with technical >>>>>>>>> backgrounds have all backed up what I wrote, while, not supporting >>>>>>>>> - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What do you have to >>>>>>>>> say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh, >>>>>>>>> old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your
thoughts to the thread here:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY, >>>>>>> where a new file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is >>>>>>> the same data, with what happens when one of those files is opened >>>>>>> and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent. >>>>>>>
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file
browser) but it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is
incoherent nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced >>>>>>> file changes being tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I >>>>>>> do not know... but his comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land >>>>>>> of APFS being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new,
which it is compared to other natural file systems to compare it to >>>>>>> (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe even FAT32/64) he could not understand >>>>>>> that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and >>>>>>> went into nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally
BSing you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you
are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I quoted Gremlin.
I'll quote you making your admission that JD was right about reporting
(despite your babbling about "marketing"):
"Very much marketing... but with that said, Apple does report free space >>> poorly. I can delete gigs of data and it does not change anything. But
then it changes later."
And here's Gremlin's reply, a logical question given the limited info:
"Are you actually deleting then, or is it being sent to temp storage in
case you change your mind for a period of time?"
Notably, you then shot back 'the way you often do', with:
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that they are not just being put in the Trash (or Recycle Bin >>> in Windows terms) but that this is being emptied."
You've clearly suggested he's not even a "moderately technical reader".
Equally 'notable', elsewhere you wrote:
"Some of this comes from the new(er) file system where if you have a 10
GB file and you copy it, in the background it is not really copied. The
only thing saved in the new file are changes you make. But this means if >>> you delete either 10 GB file you do not free 10 GB of space. It makes
things more efficient but can be confusing when clearing out files to
make space. Does not explain why things take time though."
Let's "note" what you *didn't* say there, that you felt compelled to
subsequently add when Gremlin correctly "noted" circumstances for
copying a file in certain instances, instances that *hadn't* yet been
determined:
"If I copy file a from location one to location two; it should be a
complete copy."
And, of course, if one understand the difference between "copy" and
"Copy-On-Write", as also "noted" below, that statement is factually
correct in some circumstances (you know, the thing you *hadn't* covered
yet to make your 'sale').
To that, you subsequently felt compelled to add what I 'noted' above:
"Assuming the same volume, that is not the case with APFS."
IOW, all this bluster of yours, where you're trying to 'sell' the idea
that he's not even a "moderately technical reader", is based on a
timeline context that you're trying to take advantage of to 'make the
sale'... but people aren't as stupid as you need them to be, they just
aren't. For some reason, you struggle with this despite how many "show"
you they aren't.
I suggest you "note" FTR's comment about a language barrier and the use
of the term "Copy-On-Write" as mentioned by FTR and seen in the video he >>> linked to. Why? The best answer to that is to use what you tried to use
on Gremlin...
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that" there are technical terms delineating "copy" from
"Copy-On-Write" (and Redirect-On_Write), a thing that Gremlin appears to >>> have delineated... a thing you failed to delineate... as well as failing >>> to initially point out you were 'copying' to what you had to
subsequently add in order to make your 'sales' attempt: "the same
volume".
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
Same issue, that video "showed" you used the term "copy" when you should >>> have used the term "Copy-On-Write" and any "moderately technical reader" >>> would agree with that... were he/she "honest and honorable" about
'talking tech'. FTR has stated that Gremlin knows about this, so what's
next for your 'sales pitch'?
It is not like I was wrong.
You did what you've often done, used laymen terms *as* you tried to
'sell' the idea that it's your 'opponent' who isn't a "moderately
technical reader" and not *you*, Mr. Dishonest Hypocrite.
He still jumped in to attack and insist I was wrong
about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
BTW, did you happen to notice when FTR told you that you were "wrong"
about Gremlin being "lost", he used the phrase " actual new complete
file"? Words have meaning for a reason and they're even more important
in 'tech talking', Mr. "moderately technical reader".
Haha!
Go Steve! :)
I'm sure you've noticed that Glasser's 'blackout' of several of us is
bogus (made in bad faith). Why do you think he started it?
Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> news:uar4oq$2u04t$1@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:05:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-06, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2023 at 12:20:20 PM MST, "Kelly Phillips" wrote >>><sfsvcipulpmp0od7lre4icqi66o7tc1ff4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:18:27 +0100, David Brooks
<David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 06/08/2023 05:30, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 6:52:46 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<PuszM.46305$O8ab.22981@fx40.iad>:
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad Thu, 03 Aug 2023 18:35:38 >>>>>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>>>> very dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recall you >>>>>>>>>> admitting you were trolling me or anyone else previously though. >>>>>>>>>> Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there >>>>>>>>> school you. If you dare!
I know some of the individuals who make use of that forum. Some of >>>>>>>> them are gurus, many are not.
*WHICH* posting names do you know on the ASC forums, Gremlin?
Are such folk misusing the forums for malicious purposes ....
or actually trying to help folk?
More are like Snit than they are like me, if that helps
you. I'll play along though, it beats well, you know. What do you >>>>>>>> think they will be schooling me in?
Honesty? Accuracy?
I only ask this because you incorrectly thought Snit got one over >>>>>>>> on me. You were confident, in fact, that he'd done so. Isn't it >>>>>>>> nice to read from some of the others who post here with technical >>>>>>>> backgrounds have all backed up what I wrote, while, not supporting >>>>>>>> - as in telling him that he's wrong - Snit. What do you have to >>>>>>>> say about that David? It didn't turn out as you expected, eh,
old bean.
I'm not yet convinced that Snit *WAS* wrong. Please add your
thoughts to the thread here:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What posting 'nym will you use?
FWIW, the thread has NO input from me; none at all.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
None of this makes sense. Gremlin confused the idea of the COPY,
where a new file is shown in the Finder but, in the background it is >>>>>> the same data, with what happens when one of those files is opened >>>>>> and changed.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
What changes? What is he talking about? None of that is coherent.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy.
-----
It APPEARS to be a "complete copy" in the Finder (or other file
browser) but it is not actually a true or complete copy.
-----
It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
What changes does he mean? What is he talking about. This is
incoherent nonsense. I am guessing in my text somewhere I referenced >>>>>> file changes being tracked... and he thought I meant on creation? I >>>>>> do not know... but his comment is gibberish.
----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
I told him I was speaking of APFS... and Gremlin went into lala land >>>>>> of APFS being the first... and when I noted APFS is fairly new,
which it is compared to other natural file systems to compare it to >>>>>> (HFS/HFS+ and NTFS... maybe even FAT32/64) he could not understand >>>>>> that, either.
It would be one thing if he asked... but he just flipped out and
went into nonsense lala land. As he does.
He simply didn't listen. :-(
Nor did he comment on the video clip you kindly shared.
David...dude...you STILL haven't figured out that Snit is totally
BSing you? You're living in an alternate reality. The two of you
are...
Snit is wrong. Period.
I quoted Gremlin.
I'll quote you making your admission that JD was right about reporting
(despite your babbling about "marketing"):
"Very much marketing... but with that said, Apple does report free space
poorly. I can delete gigs of data and it does not change anything. But
then it changes later."
And here's Gremlin's reply, a logical question given the limited info:
"Are you actually deleting then, or is it being sent to temp storage in
case you change your mind for a period of time?"
Notably, you then shot back 'the way you often do', with:
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that they are not just being put in the Trash (or Recycle Bin
in Windows terms) but that this is being emptied."
You've clearly suggested he's not even a "moderately technical reader".
Equally 'notable', elsewhere you wrote:
"Some of this comes from the new(er) file system where if you have a 10
GB file and you copy it, in the background it is not really copied. The
only thing saved in the new file are changes you make. But this means if
you delete either 10 GB file you do not free 10 GB of space. It makes
things more efficient but can be confusing when clearing out files to
make space. Does not explain why things take time though."
Let's "note" what you *didn't* say there, that you felt compelled to
subsequently add when Gremlin correctly "noted" circumstances for
copying a file in certain instances, instances that *hadn't* yet been
determined:
"If I copy file a from location one to location two; it should be a
complete copy."
And, of course, if one understand the difference between "copy" and
"Copy-On-Write", as also "noted" below, that statement is factually
correct in some circumstances (you know, the thing you *hadn't* covered
yet to make your 'sale').
To that, you subsequently felt compelled to add what I 'noted' above:
"Assuming the same volume, that is not the case with APFS."
IOW, all this bluster of yours, where you're trying to 'sell' the idea
that he's not even a "moderately technical reader", is based on a
timeline context that you're trying to take advantage of to 'make the
sale'... but people aren't as stupid as you need them to be, they just
aren't. For some reason, you struggle with this despite how many "show"
you they aren't.
I suggest you "note" FTR's comment about a language barrier and the use
of the term "Copy-On-Write" as mentioned by FTR and seen in the video he
linked to. Why? The best answer to that is to use what you tried to use
on Gremlin...
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that" there are technical terms delineating "copy" from
"Copy-On-Write" (and Redirect-On_Write), a thing that Gremlin appears to
have delineated... a thing you failed to delineate... as well as failing
to initially point out you were 'copying' to what you had to
subsequently add in order to make your 'sales' attempt: "the same
volume".
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
Same issue, that video "showed" you used the term "copy" when you should
have used the term "Copy-On-Write" and any "moderately technical reader"
would agree with that... were he/she "honest and honorable" about
'talking tech'. FTR has stated that Gremlin knows about this, so what's
next for your 'sales pitch'?
It is not like I was wrong.
You did what you've often done, used laymen terms *as* you tried to
'sell' the idea that it's your 'opponent' who isn't a "moderately
technical reader" and not *you*, Mr. Dishonest Hypocrite.
He still jumped in to attack and insist I was wrong
about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
BTW, did you happen to notice when FTR told you that you were "wrong"
about Gremlin being "lost", he used the phrase " actual new complete
file"? Words have meaning for a reason and they're even more important
in 'tech talking', Mr. "moderately technical reader".
Haha!
Go Steve! :)
BTW, did you happen to notice when FTR told you that you were "wrong"
about Gremlin being "lost", he used the phrase " actual new complete
file"? Words have meaning for a reason and they're even more important >>>> in 'tech talking', Mr. "moderately technical reader".
Haha!
Go Steve! :)
I'm sure you've noticed that Glasser's 'blackout' of several of us is
bogus (made in bad faith). Why do you think he started it?
I suspect it's because he was completely cornered due to his lack of technical knowledge and incorrect explanation that he gave in the file
copy thread. He will never admit he was wrong. He's hoping when he
returns it will be forgotten and he can start up a fresh circus.
On 2023-08-07, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:[snip]
Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
I quoted Gremlin.
I'll quote you making your admission that JD was right about reporting
(despite your babbling about "marketing"):
"Very much marketing... but with that said, Apple does report free space >>> poorly. I can delete gigs of data and it does not change anything. But
then it changes later."
And here's Gremlin's reply, a logical question given the limited info:
"Are you actually deleting then, or is it being sent to temp storage in
case you change your mind for a period of time?"
Notably, you then shot back 'the way you often do', with:
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that they are not just being put in the Trash (or Recycle Bin >>> in Windows terms) but that this is being emptied."
You've clearly suggested he's not even a "moderately technical reader".
Equally 'notable', elsewhere you wrote:
"Some of this comes from the new(er) file system where if you have a 10
GB file and you copy it, in the background it is not really copied. The
only thing saved in the new file are changes you make. But this means if >>> you delete either 10 GB file you do not free 10 GB of space. It makes
things more efficient but can be confusing when clearing out files to
make space. Does not explain why things take time though."
Let's "note" what you *didn't* say there, that you felt compelled to
subsequently add when Gremlin correctly "noted" circumstances for
copying a file in certain instances, instances that *hadn't* yet been
determined:
"If I copy file a from location one to location two; it should be a
complete copy."
And, of course, if one understand the difference between "copy" and
"Copy-On-Write", as also "noted" below, that statement is factually
correct in some circumstances (you know, the thing you *hadn't* covered
yet to make your 'sale').
To that, you subsequently felt compelled to add what I 'noted' above:
"Assuming the same volume, that is not the case with APFS."
IOW, all this bluster of yours, where you're trying to 'sell' the idea
that he's not even a "moderately technical reader", is based on a
timeline context that you're trying to take advantage of to 'make the
sale'... but people aren't as stupid as you need them to be, they just
aren't. For some reason, you struggle with this despite how many "show"
you they aren't.
I suggest you "note" FTR's comment about a language barrier and the use
of the term "Copy-On-Write" as mentioned by FTR and seen in the video he >>> linked to. Why? The best answer to that is to use what you tried to use
on Gremlin...
"Sorry: would have expected any moderately technical reader to
understand that" there are technical terms delineating "copy" from
"Copy-On-Write" (and Redirect-On_Write), a thing that Gremlin appears to >>> have delineated... a thing you failed to delineate... as well as failing >>> to initially point out you were 'copying' to what you had to
subsequently add in order to make your 'sales' attempt: "the same
volume".
And I showed a video which backs what I was saying.
Same issue, that video "showed" you used the term "copy" when you should >>> have used the term "Copy-On-Write" and any "moderately technical reader" >>> would agree with that... were he/she "honest and honorable" about
'talking tech'. FTR has stated that Gremlin knows about this, so what's
next for your 'sales pitch'?
It is not like I was wrong.
You did what you've often done, used laymen terms *as* you tried to
'sell' the idea that it's your 'opponent' who isn't a "moderately
technical reader" and not *you*, Mr. Dishonest Hypocrite.
He still jumped in to attack and insist I was wrong
about a copied file not being a "complete copy", as he said it.
BTW, did you happen to notice when FTR told you that you were "wrong"
about Gremlin being "lost", he used the phrase " actual new complete
file"? Words have meaning for a reason and they're even more important
in 'tech talking', Mr. "moderately technical reader".
Haha!
Go Steve! :)
I'm sure you've noticed that Glasser's 'blackout' of several of us is
bogus (made in bad faith). Why do you think he started it?
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