Hi folks!
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it? The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you
have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for
such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply
was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the
program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you
have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for
such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply
was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the >>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 09:49, ๐ Mighty Wannabe โ wrote:
On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :) >>>>>
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read >>>>> this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame
you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos
for such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
reply was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing
that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just >>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
with the
program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.
Any suggestions will be welcomed.
If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network name)
and password must have been stored on the device you used.
Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
Let us know if your own router is in the list.
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.
Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find
one.
Hidden SSIDs are the "Don't tell him, Pike" of WiFi ...
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 09:49, ๐ Mighty Wannabe โ wrote:
On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34
GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :) >>>>>>>
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden >>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure
your answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I >>>>>>> read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame >>>>>>> you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos >>>>>>> for such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
effectively use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
reply was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer. >>>>>>>
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not
doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it >>>>>>> just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
with the
program and start to learn how the modern world around you
actually works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now. >>>>
Any suggestions will be welcomed.
If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
Let us know if your own router is in the list.
Hi Ed :-)
I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
photograph!
I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but it
is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of
Internet explorations over the years!
HTH
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.
For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can tell us.
Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.
Hidden SSIDs are the "Don't tell him, Pike" of WiFi ...
The entry can "hide" multiple services which lack a broadcast SSID.
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:- >https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 09:49, ๐ Mighty Wannabe โ wrote:
On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 >>>>>>>>> GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships
here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden >>>>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure >>>>>>>>> your answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when >>>>>>>>> I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6 >>>>>>>>>A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a
shame you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading
videos for such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
effectively use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single >>>>>>>>> reply was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant
answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of >>>>>>>>> reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not >>>>>>>>> doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; >>>>>>>>> it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get >>>>>>>>> with the
program and start to learn how the modern world around you
actually works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden >>>>>>>> Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot >>>>>>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty
now.
Any suggestions will be welcomed.
If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
Let us know if your own router is in the list.
Hi Ed :-)
I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
photograph!
I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but
it is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of
Internet explorations over the years!
HTH
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't
find one.
Perhaps you should read here?ย https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/
For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but
then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can
tell us.
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's
one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 17:07, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 09:49, ๐ Mighty Wannabe โ wrote:
On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further? >>>>>>>>
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023
22:59:34 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships >>>>>>>>>>> here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a >>>>>>>>>>>> "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> sure your answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as >>>>>>>>>>> when I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6 >>>>>>>>>>>A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a >>>>>>>>>>> shame you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading >>>>>>>>>>> videos for such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
effectively use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a >>>>>>>>>>> single reply was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant >>>>>>>>>>> answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of >>>>>>>>>>> reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not >>>>>>>>>>> doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; >>>>>>>>>>> it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you >>>>>>>>>>> get with the
program and start to learn how the modern world around you >>>>>>>>>>> actually works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden >>>>>>>>>> Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer
cannot accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required. >>>>>>>>
I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009
so, although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat >>>>>>>> rusty now.
Any suggestions will be welcomed.
If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network >>>>>>> name) and password must have been stored on the device you used. >>>>>>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device. >>>>>>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
Hi Ed :-)
I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
photograph!
I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10)
but it is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all
manner of Internet explorations over the years!
HTH
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't
find one.
Perhaps you should read here?ย https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/ >>>>
For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes ofThat seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but
then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that. >>>>
There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can
tell us.
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's
one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's
new technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other
interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Thank you, Ed. :-D
Although I don't believe that AV is strictly necessary on Windows 10,
I am actually running AVG on that machine.
Have you ANY idea how to remove "Hidden Network" - stop the words from
showing on my screen?
Get rid of that bloated AVG; Windows Security has been protecting my
boxes of tricks for years - successfully.
"Hidden Network" can be translated into other languages. Try Google
Translate or ChatGPT. Or maybe change Windows language.
Oh, and while you're speaking to ChatGPT, thank the little bot for its
recent chat with me. I went walking along the Rochdale Canal, and I
passed so many locks that I had to research. There are an average of 3
locks per mile; the reason being the up-and-downness of the landscape it traverses.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:19:24 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
David, you must have a "Kick Me" sign on the back of your shirt. That's the same
shirt that has "I'm Stupid!" emblazoned across the front.
BTW, that's a nice blend of harmlessly true and blatantly false statements you've made above. Good show, chum. Once again, you've shown everyone what you
are.
On 26/07/2023 20:07, David Brooks wrote:
It's one of the few British waterways which I've not navigated - my
narrowboat was just a few inches too long to get through some of the
locks!
*BELAY THAT*!!!
I'm misremembered - that wasn't the reason! That canal can take boats up
to 72 feet (the longest ones ever built). Perhaps it was because one has
to go through the middle of Manchester, a place most sensible boaters
avoid.
I can't be sure until my navigator returns from supervising the new
members of the Bridge club (cards, not waterways!)
It's one of the few British waterways which I've not navigated - my narrowboat was just a few inches too long to get through some of the locks!
Here's a pic of my last voyage through that thoroughfare; https://tinyurl.com/26or8em5
David Brooks wrote:
On 26/07/2023 20:07, David Brooks wrote:
It's one of the few British waterways which I've not navigated - my
narrowboat was just a few inches too long to get through some of the
locks!
*BELAY THAT*!!!
I'm misremembered - that wasn't the reason! That canal can take boats up
to 72 feet (the longest ones ever built). Perhaps it was because one
has to go through the middle of Manchester, a place most sensible boaters
avoid.
I can't be sure until my navigator returns from supervising the new
members of the Bridge club (cards, not waterways!)
You might do better navigating from Loch Ness into Loch Lochy. https://www.scottishcanals.co.uk/locations/neptunes-staircase/
Here's a pic of my last voyage through that thoroughfare; https://tinyurl.com/26or8em5
Although I don't believe that AV is strictly necessary on Windows 10, I
am actually running AVG on that machine.
Have you ANY idea how to remove "Hidden Network" - stop the words from >showing on my screen?
On 26/07/2023 17:49, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:19:24 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
David, you must have a "Kick Me" sign on the back of your shirt. That's the same
shirt that has "I'm Stupid!" emblazoned across the front.
*NO* - don't be silly!
You're confusing me with Dustin.
He reaped the whirlwind when once I was
a bit irritated with him and asked for some help!
BTW, that's a nice blend of harmlessly true and blatantly false statements >> you've made above. Good show, chum. Once again, you've shown everyone what you
are.
Nothing false in what *I* say, "Kelly"! :-P
Dustin has NEVER accepted the truth. That's down to him, not me.
On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.
For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but then
noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer >> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it? >> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the
program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:07:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer >>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have >>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such >>> crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it? >>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was >>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the >>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works? >>
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
No, you weren't.
In order to connect to that network, you'd have to provide the proper password,
either this time or a previous time, so your claim of "When I first noticed" goes out the window.
You and honesty appear to be complete strangers. That's not a good look.
I've known about you
and your shady ways for at least a dozen years.
On 26/07/2023 22:27, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:07:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer >>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read >>>> this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have >>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such >>>> crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was >>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is >>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that >>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the >>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works? >>>
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
No, you weren't.
*How could YOU possibly know that*?!!!
In order to connect to that network, you'd have to provide the proper password,
either this time or a previous time, so your claim of "When I first noticed" >> goes out the window.
Maybe I'll fire it up again tomorrow and see if I can 'log on' again.
You and honesty appear to be complete strangers. That's not a good look.
You are totally wrong about so very many things!
On 26/07/2023 22:09, Kelly Phillips wrote:
I've known about you
and your shady ways for at least a dozen years.
That's hard to believe.
snip <
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:04:48 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 26/07/2023 22:27, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:07:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:No, you weren't.
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :) >>>>>
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read >>>>> this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have >>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such >>>>> crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was >>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is >>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that >>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just >>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the >>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network". >>>
*How could YOU possibly know that*?!!!
Quite simple.
In order to connect to that network, you'd have to provide the proper password,
either this time or a previous time, so your claim of "When I first noticed" goes out the window.
In order to connect to that network, you'd have to provide the proper password,
either this time or a previous time, so your claim of "When I first noticed"
goes out the window.
Maybe I'll fire it up again tomorrow and see if I can 'log on' again.
Maybe, but probably not. When you sleep, the slate gets wiped clean. Every day
starts from scratch with you.
You and honesty appear to be complete strangers. That's not a good look.
You are totally wrong about so very many things!
Perhaps, but I'm not wrong about you.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:06:39 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 26/07/2023 22:09, Kelly Phillips wrote:
I've known about you
and your shady ways for at least a dozen years.
That's hard to believe.
What posting name were you using way back then?
Do tell! ๐
Why? You've been making a name for yourself for a very long time now. AFAIK, you
were strictly Boater Dave back then, unlike the multitude of nyms you've used since then, but you were the same slimy stalker that you are now.
On 27/07/2023 03:11, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:04:48 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
On 26/07/2023 22:27, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:07:27 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:No, you weren't.
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in >>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Hi folks!
It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :) >>>>>>
When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden >>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer
will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read >>>>>> this post of yours.
Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have
to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such
crap as this.
Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it?
The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was
time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer. >>>>>>
A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is >>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that >>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just >>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the >>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network". >>>>
*How could YOU possibly know that*?!!!
Quite simple.
In order to connect to that network, you'd have to provide the proper password,
either this time or a previous time, so your claim of "When I first noticed" >> goes out the window.
False
In order to connect to that network, you'd have to provide the proper password,
either this time or a previous time, so your claim of "When I first noticed"
goes out the window.
Maybe I'll fire it up again tomorrow and see if I can 'log on' again.
Maybe, but probably not. When you sleep, the slate gets wiped clean. Every day
starts from scratch with you.
I didn't get a round tuit. I spent quite a few hours with my sick
neighbour again today.
You and honesty appear to be complete strangers. That's not a good look. >>>You are totally wrong about so very many things!
Perhaps, but I'm not wrong about you.
Yes, dearest, you are! :-P
On 27/07/2023 03:13, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:06:39 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
On 26/07/2023 22:09, Kelly Phillips wrote:
I've known about you
and your shady ways for at least a dozen years.
That's hard to believe.
What posting name were you using way back then?
Do tell! ?
Why? You've been making a name for yourself for a very long time now. AFAIK, you
were strictly Boater Dave back then, unlike the multitude of nyms you've used
since then, but you were the same slimy stalker that you are now.
It seems to me that *YOU* are the one hiding behind a pseudonym, petal! xx
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:00:50 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 27/07/2023 03:13, Kelly Phillips wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:06:39 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
On 26/07/2023 22:09, Kelly Phillips wrote:
I've known about you
and your shady ways for at least a dozen years.
That's hard to believe.
What posting name were you using way back then?
Do tell! ?
Why? You've been making a name for yourself for a very long time now. AFAIK, you
were strictly Boater Dave back then, unlike the multitude of nyms you've used
since then, but you were the same slimy stalker that you are now.
It seems to me that *YOU* are the one hiding behind a pseudonym, petal! xx
Are you one of the weirdos who keeps poking around my social media accounts?
Remember, I've known about you and your shady ways for at least a dozen years.
On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
Was it yours?
Always wondering! ;-)
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new
technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here.
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was
no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm
in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know.
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26 >> Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new
technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face >> value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here. >>
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me >> when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me >> to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers
again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did >> he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you
so often do!)
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26 >> Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new
technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face >> value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here. >>
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me >> when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me >> to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers
again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did >> he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google >Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you
so often do!)
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 14:16:22 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26 >>> Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new >>>> technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face >>> value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here.
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >>> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me >>> when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me >>> to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >>> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers >>> again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >>> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >>> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did
he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know. >>
https://groups.google.com/
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
People can read just how genuine *you* are, David. Thanks for the opportunity.
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google >>Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you
so often do!)
Get caught out, call it a joke. It's like you're following a script.
On 2023-08-01, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 14:16:22 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26
Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind >>>>> that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new >>>>> technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests. >>>>> The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to >>>>> make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face
value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here.
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >>>> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me
when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me
to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >>>> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers >>>> again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >>>> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >>>> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did
he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
People can read just how genuine *you* are, David. Thanks for the opportunity.
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google >>>Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you >>>so often do!)
Get caught out, call it a joke. It's like you're following a script.
Gasser's favorite was to call his BS a "mistake" until it was pointed
out how many 'mistakes' he was making, then his mistakes became 'jokes'.
Can you imagine adults believing other adults would buy this over and
over? Very weird.
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:[snip]
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you
know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs 5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you
so often do!)
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:16:22 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:[snip]
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you
know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs
5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Heh. That they can. They can see via the sections of our emails you shared exactly how I treated you, even though you were getting a bit outside the scope of support for BugHunter; which is what you initially emailed asking
me about. :)
The dirt you claim you have on me is what I shared with you via email; which even at the time was for the most part, common knowledge for those who already knew me, David.
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google
Street View of what they thought was your home.
I didn't even so much as imply you were, David.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you
so often do!)
No, you didn't. And, I didn't take what you did the wrong way either. The reason I know you weren't joking when you went and did it was because of how many newsgroups you did it in, and the followup enjoyment you were having over it. You did it to try and get my attention because you felt I was
taking too long to respond, and, because I turned you down again. I refused to break into those servers for you.
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:16:22 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:[snip]
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you
know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs >>> 5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Heh. That they can. They can see via the sections of our emails you shared >> exactly how I treated you, even though you were getting a bit outside the
scope of support for BugHunter; which is what you initially emailed asking >> me about. :)
The dirt you claim you have on me is what I shared with you via email; which >> even at the time was for the most part, common knowledge for those who
already knew me, David.
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google
Street View of what they thought was your home.
I didn't even so much as imply you were, David.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you >>> so often do!)
No, you didn't. And, I didn't take what you did the wrong way either. The
reason I know you weren't joking when you went and did it was because of how >> many newsgroups you did it in, and the followup enjoyment you were having
over it. You did it to try and get my attention because you felt I was
taking too long to respond, and, because I turned you down again. I refused >> to break into those servers for you.
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
That's on you.
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
On 2023-08-02, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:16:22 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:[snip]
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so
you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NS >>>> Zvs 5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Heh. That they can. They can see via the sections of our emails you
shared exactly how I treated you, even though you were getting a bit
outside the scope of support for BugHunter; which is what you
initially emailed asking me about. :)
The dirt you claim you have on me is what I shared with you via email;
which even at the time was for the most part, common knowledge for
those who already knew me, David.
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a
Google Street View of what they thought was your home.
I didn't even so much as imply you were, David.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as
you so often do!)
No, you didn't. And, I didn't take what you did the wrong way either.
The reason I know you weren't joking when you went and did it was
because of how many newsgroups you did it in, and the followup
enjoyment you were having over it. You did it to try and get my
attention because you felt I was taking too long to respond, and,
because I turned you down again. I refused to break into those servers
for you.
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too,
David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
That's on you.
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
Here's a question for the experts, what if someone labeled their network
name as "Hidden Network", how would that show up?
I get that the network DB is speaking of is secured.
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:16:22 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:[snip]
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you
know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs >>> 5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Heh. That they can. They can see via the sections of our emails you shared >> exactly how I treated you, even though you were getting a bit outside the
scope of support for BugHunter; which is what you initially emailed asking >> me about. :)
The dirt you claim you have on me is what I shared with you via email; which >> even at the time was for the most part, common knowledge for those who
already knew me, David.
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google
Street View of what they thought was your home.
I didn't even so much as imply you were, David.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you >>> so often do!)
No, you didn't. And, I didn't take what you did the wrong way either. The
reason I know you weren't joking when you went and did it was because of how >> many newsgroups you did it in, and the followup enjoyment you were having
over it. You did it to try and get my attention because you felt I was
taking too long to respond, and, because I turned you down again. I refused >> to break into those servers for you.
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
That's on you.
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaerie$aoc3$4@dont-email.me Thu, 03
Aug 2023 00:15:11 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-02, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:16:22 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:[snip]
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so
you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NS >>>>> Zvs 5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Heh. That they can. They can see via the sections of our emails you
shared exactly how I treated you, even though you were getting a bit
outside the scope of support for BugHunter; which is what you
initially emailed asking me about. :)
The dirt you claim you have on me is what I shared with you via email; >>>> which even at the time was for the most part, common knowledge for
those who already knew me, David.
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a
Google Street View of what they thought was your home.
I didn't even so much as imply you were, David.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as >>>>> you so often do!)
No, you didn't. And, I didn't take what you did the wrong way either.
The reason I know you weren't joking when you went and did it was
because of how many newsgroups you did it in, and the followup
enjoyment you were having over it. You did it to try and get my
attention because you felt I was taking too long to respond, and,
because I turned you down again. I refused to break into those servers >>>> for you.
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too,
David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
That's on you.
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
Here's a question for the experts, what if someone labeled their network
name as "Hidden Network", how would that show up?
I get that the network DB is speaking of is secured.
Hahaha. I hope that isn't a rhetorical question. That said, one could verify whether or not the networks SSID is Hidden Network, or if it's really not broadcasting one.
Have you noticed that I've asked Snit and David, both, several times now,
why if Snits claims concerning what I did/didn't know about cloning were true; why isn't anyone else backing him and calling me out? I'm not exactly on the greatest of terms with everyone who posts here. There's no incentive or benefit for anyone to remain silent and let me get away with talking shit, about, anything.
Yet, so far, the only posts Snit or david has gotten about his claims concerning my knowledge was from Kelly who didn't fall for Snits ruse... :)
I'm waiting for a logical explanation for that, but, I suspect hell will freeze over long before I get one. What do you think?
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :)
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
On Aug 1, 2023 at 6:16:22 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad>:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26 >>> Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new >>>> technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face >>> value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here.
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >>> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me >>> when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me >>> to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >>> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers >>> again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >>> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >>> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did
he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know. >>
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google
Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you
so often do!)
He has a strong victim mentality.
On 01/08/2023 16:23, Snit wrote:
On Aug 1, 2023 at 6:16:22 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad>:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26
Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind >>>>> that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new >>>>> technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests. >>>>> The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to >>>>> make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face
value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here.
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >>>> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me
when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me
to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >>>> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers >>>> again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >>>> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >>>> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did
he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google
Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you >>> so often do!)
He has a strong victim mentality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
On 01/08/2023 16:23, Snit wrote:
On Aug 1, 2023 at 6:16:22 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<HA7yM.27763$O8ab.11990@fx40.iad>:
On 31/07/2023 23:20, Gremlin wrote:
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> news:u9rgdf$1hi5u$1@dont-email.me Wed, 26
Jul 2023 16:07:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
David Brooks wrote:
His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind >>>>> that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new >>>>> technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests. >>>>> The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to >>>>> make money, not win kudos.
Hi Ed,
FWIW, You really shouldn't take anything David has written about me at face
value. He's leaving out considerable detail in his efforts to slime me here.
He didn't for example, mention that he had no problem with my past, that's >>>> why he contacted me via email actually. He decided he had a problem with me
when I wouldn't use my former blackhat skills for his benefit. He wanted me
to break into two servers on his behalf. Two servers who ran forums he was >>>> no longer welcome to be a member of; he'd violated the TOS of the servers >>>> again and got himself an account ban. He wears them with pride.
He got so upset with my continued refusal to do some work for him, that he >>>> tried to openly dox me on usenet, in multiple newsgroups and found no harm >>>> in it. Only a couple of years later, when I returned the favor in spades did
he decide it wasn't so funny.
David Brooks is a very well known internet stalking kook, just so you know.
Ed, and others, can read just how genuine you are, here, Dustin:-
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.computer.workshop/c/ilCmXxd4MoY/m/S0NSZvs5BgAJ
One reason I really LIKE Usenet!
Btw, please tell the world that it was NOT me who first posted a Google
Street View of what they thought was your home.
I asked ONLY as a joke - which you, dear boy, took the wrong way (as you >>> so often do!)
He has a strong victim mentality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat >> skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist >> and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up >> your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why >> instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what >> I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would >> be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David? >> I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat >>> skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist >>> and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up >>> your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along >>> with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why >>> instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what >>> I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would >>> be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David? >>> I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were >>> trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
On 03/08/2023 20:41, Snit wrote:
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along >>>> with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were >>>> trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer >> than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did >> update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is >> not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
I confess that I was surprised that he did not know.
There-again, I doubt he's ever owned an Apple computer.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:35:38 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Please put down the bottle. If you dare!
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat >>> skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist >>> and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up >>> your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along >>> with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why >>> instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what >>> I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would >>> be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David? >>> I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were >>> trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along >>>> with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were >>>> trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer >> than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did >> update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is >> not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote <uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>>>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>>>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along >>>>> with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>>>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were >>>>> trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is >>> not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... though of course you can change each file (even though in the background they are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then copying changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a "complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own words.
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>>>>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>>>>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what
differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely >> lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete >> copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was
saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about >> the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not >> new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own
words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, >>>>>>>> David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you
didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, >>>>>> blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to >>>>>> twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing >>>>>> smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing >>>>>> along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? >>>>>> Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If >>>>>> what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others >>>>>> would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, >>>>>> David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along >>>>>> with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you >>>>>> were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is >>>> newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They >>>> did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It >>>> is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not >>>> taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what
differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background
they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely >> lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete >> copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was
saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about >> the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not >> new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own
words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, >>>>>>>>> David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you >>>>>>> didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, >>>>>>> blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to >>>>>>> twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing >>>>>>> smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing >>>>>>> along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? >>>>>>> Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If >>>>>>> what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others >>>>>>> would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, >>>>>>> David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along >>>>>>> with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you >>>>>>> were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is >>>>> newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They >>>>> did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It >>>>> is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not >>>>> taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in >>>> the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed >>>> before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what >>> differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >>> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background >>> they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely >>> lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete >>> copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was >>> saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about >>> the topic.
Fact is, youOf course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not >>> new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task. >>>
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own >>> words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
He said that Gremlin was lost on the whole idea of a 'copy' not taking
up storage space ...
I said he was not. As far as which Apple
filesystem uses it and when, I couldn't care any less. Copy on write is
well known in the fast storage realm.
On Aug 4, 2023 at 6:00:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wroteDoubtful.
<WD6zM.39497$KIcf.26300@fx07.iad>:
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in >>>> the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed >>>> before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what >>> differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >>> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely >>> lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete >>> copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was >>> saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about >>> the topic.
Fact is, youOf course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not >>> new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task. >>>
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own >>> words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
My guess is Gremlin will jump in to try to nit pick some wording I used... I have not revisited it, but even if my wording was not perfect I clearly was not as completely lost as what Gremlin shows he was.
I do want to be clear: I am NOT putting Gremlin down for not knowing. That is fine. But if you look at his tone in all of that he was not only ignorant (that is fine) he was condescending and arrogant. THAT is the issue I have with him. Even when he has no idea about what is being discussed he wants to pretend not only that he is an expert but that he is better than others he deep down feels inferior to.
On 04/08/2023 01:00, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:35:38 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Please put down the bottle. If you dare!
I did! :-)
21 March 2018 was my stop date!
On Aug 4, 2023 at 8:51:09 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaj6pk$1b1kc$1@dont-email.me>:
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, >>>>>>>>>> David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you >>>>>>>> didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, >>>>>>>> blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to >>>>>>>> twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing >>>>>>>> smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing >>>>>>>> along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him?
Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If >>>>>>>> what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others >>>>>>>> would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, >>>>>>>> David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along >>>>>>>> with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you >>>>>>>> were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is >>>>>> newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They >>>>>> did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It >>>>>> is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not >>>>>> taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives >>>>> strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk -- >>>>> not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in >>>>> the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually >>>>> be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed >>>>> before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just >>>> described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what >>>> differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >>>> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background >>>> they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely
lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete
copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was >>>> saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about
the topic.
Fact is, youOf course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task. >>>>
new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be >>>> better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own >>>> words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
He said that Gremlin was lost on the whole idea of a 'copy' not taking
up storage space ...
Yet he said: "If I copy file a from location one to location two; it should be
a complete copy."
This was in reference to storage space... as in it SHOULD take up the "expected" storage space.
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you
were trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is
newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around
then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless.
What common file systems are newer? It
is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not
taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT >>>>>> in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, >>>>>>>> David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you
didn't realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific,
proven, blackhat skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts >>>>>> to twist and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's >>>>>> blowing smoke up your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that,
but, you're playing along with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out >>>>>> for swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing >>>>>> him? Why instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for
believing it? If what I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't >>>>>> you think he and others would be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to
me, David? I don't think you really believe that. I think you're
playing along with whatever snit writes about me, because I've
really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll!
;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting
you were trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there
school you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system
is newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure.
Around then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer?
It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy
not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy'
in the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to
actually be created with the modifications and the two files would
then be different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And
what differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no
differences... though of course you can change each file (even though
in the background they are the same). He had no clue what was being
talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was
just completely lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I
was saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand
anything about the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the
task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was
not new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual
would be better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown
by his own words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.taking
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote <uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not
taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And
what differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... though of course you can change each file (even though in
the background they are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a "complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete copy". He did not understand the concept.
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS.
and he pretended I was saying this was unique to APFS.
He just could not understand anything about the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was
not new to me.
I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would
be better.
But he was the one who was lost about this.
as shown by his own words.
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> news:lKczM.480872$GMN3.247286@fx16.iad Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:57:05 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-04, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 6:00:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wroteDoubtful.
<WD6zM.39497$KIcf.26300@fx07.iad>:
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 >>>>>>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, >>>>>>>>>>> too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you >>>>>>>>> didn't realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, >>>>>>>>> proven, blackhat skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit
efforts to twist and project concerning the entire cloning
discussion. He's blowing smoke up your ass, and I strongly
suspect you know that, but, you're playing along with his
continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you >>>>>>>>> out for swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone
backing him? Why instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you >>>>>>>>> out for believing it? If what I wrote about the subject was
bullshit, don't you think he and others would be calling me out >>>>>>>>> for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to >>>>>>>>> me, David? I don't think you really believe that. I think you're >>>>>>>>> playing along with whatever snit writes about me, because I've >>>>>>>>> really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! >>>>>>>>>> ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>>> very dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou
admitting you were trollig me or anyone else previously though. >>>>>>>>> Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there >>>>>>>> school you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system >>>>>>> is newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure.
Around then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it. >>>>>>>
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are
newer? It is not like apps which get updated significant year by >>>>>>> year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy >>>>>>> not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older
drives strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume,
making a copy meant merely making another path to the same resource >>>>>> on disk -- not even a new file gets created in that case even though >>>>>> you get a 'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' >>>>>> in the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to
actually be created with the modifications and the two files would >>>>>> then be different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you
just described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And >>>>> what differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no
differences... though of course you can change each file (even though >>>>> in the background they are the same). He had no clue what was being
talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then >>>>> copying changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was
just completely lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a >>>>> "complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I >>>>> was saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand
anything about the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the
task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it
was not new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a
visual would be better. But he was the one who was lost about this... >>>>> as shown by his own words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
My guess is Gremlin will jump in to try to nit pick some wording I
used... I have not revisited it, but even if my wording was not perfect
I clearly was not as completely lost as what Gremlin shows he was.
That's
I do want to be clear: I am NOT putting Gremlin down for not knowing.
That is fine. But if you look at his tone in all of that he was not
only ignorant (that is fine) he was condescending and arrogant. THAT is
the issue I have with him. Even when he has no idea about what is being
discussed he wants to pretend not only that he is an expert but that he
is better than others he deep down feels inferior to.
Why not cut the passive aggressive act snit?
It's worn out and you aren't fooling anyone.
He thinks he is, that's why he does it.
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote <uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David. >>>>>>It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>>>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along >>>>> with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>>>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were >>>>> trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is >>> not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... though of course you can change each file (even though in the background they are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then copying changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a "complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own words.
FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> news:uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me
Fri, 04 Aug 2023 09:41:06 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Snit brought next idea :
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer?
It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not
taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface. Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest. Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Thanks for joining the increasing list of the regulars with a tech
background who post here, calling snit out for the BS he wrote about me. I
do appreciate it.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:xpTyM.446516$AsA.375756@fx18.iad
Thu, 03 Aug 2023 19:41:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is
newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around
then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it.
You're not only putting words in my mouth, but, you're also making some batshit crazy seriously, crazy, assumptions while you do so. I said that a six year old file system, isn't "new".
LOL! He really is sorta clueless.
As you've learned, because several people have stepped in and corrected you, you have been wrong about my knowledge of cloning, from the jump. And these efforts to be insulting are worthless Snit. You have hundreds of people who've voiced their opinions concerning you, as well as documenting how you behave towards others online. Especially when you've been caught, as you
have been (again), telling a porkie.
What common file systems are newer? It
is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
funny snit, must be an echo in here, because that's almost verbatim word for word what I wrote to you about your claim that Apples file system was 'new'. It's six fucking years old, it hasn't been 'new' in a long long time. The fact it's the latest file system offered by Apple doesn't make it 'new'. Age is still age, regardless.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not
taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
Heh, of course, you realize that multiple people have stepped into the conversation now, and not a single person with a tech background here has backed what you wrote about the subject, a single time. Instead, they've corrected you. FtR flat out told you that you were wrong, more than once. Kelly busted you, SC went into greater detail picking apart what I wrote, practically highlighting all of the things you didn't understand
You are, as I said before, writing from your asshole concerning me. Hoping
to make some kind of sale.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaf5v7$gbrh$1@dont-email.me Thu, 03
Aug 2023 03:12:39 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
I was baiting snit !
LOL !
My bad, My bad.
I think my question spun his head around like Linda Blair !
If it didn't, my detailed QA session concerning cloning sure as hell did. He doesn't know which was is up or down. But, naturally, instead of admit he was wrong, he'll convert it to opinions so that he can "agree to disagree" with everyone who wrote about the subject, all without, having to admit he was wrong when he jumped the gun and mistakenly assumed I didn't know what cloning
was until Snit arrived. That's really what he wanted people to think!
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, >>>>>>>> David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you
didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, >>>>>> blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to >>>>>> twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing >>>>>> smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing >>>>>> along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? >>>>>> Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If >>>>>> what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others >>>>>> would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, >>>>>> David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along >>>>>> with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you >>>>>> were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is >>>> newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They >>>> did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It >>>> is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not >>>> taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what
differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background
they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely >> lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete >> copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was
saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about >> the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not >> new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own
words.
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> news:lKczM.480872$GMN3.247286@fx16.iad Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:57:05 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-04, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 6:00:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>><WD6zM.39497$KIcf.26300@fx07.iad>:Doubtful.
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 >>>>>>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, >>>>>>>>>>> too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you >>>>>>>>> didn't realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, >>>>>>>>> proven, blackhat skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit
efforts to twist and project concerning the entire cloning
discussion. He's blowing smoke up your ass, and I strongly
suspect you know that, but, you're playing along with his
continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you >>>>>>>>> out for swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone
backing him? Why instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you >>>>>>>>> out for believing it? If what I wrote about the subject was
bullshit, don't you think he and others would be calling me out >>>>>>>>> for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to >>>>>>>>> me, David? I don't think you really believe that. I think you're >>>>>>>>> playing along with whatever snit writes about me, because I've >>>>>>>>> really pissed you off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! >>>>>>>>>> ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>>> very dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou
admitting you were trollig me or anyone else previously though. >>>>>>>>> Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there >>>>>>>> school you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system >>>>>>> is newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure.
Around then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it. >>>>>>>
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are
newer? It is not like apps which get updated significant year by >>>>>>> year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy >>>>>>> not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older
drives strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume,
making a copy meant merely making another path to the same resource >>>>>> on disk -- not even a new file gets created in that case even though >>>>>> you get a 'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' >>>>>> in the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to
actually be created with the modifications and the two files would >>>>>> then be different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you
just described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And >>>>> what differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no
differences... though of course you can change each file (even though >>>>> in the background they are the same). He had no clue what was being
talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then >>>>> copying changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was
just completely lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a >>>>> "complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I >>>>> was saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand
anything about the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the
task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it
was not new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a
visual would be better. But he was the one who was lost about this... >>>>> as shown by his own words.
I wonder what FTR will say in response to you.
I'm on the sidelines here! :-)
My guess is Gremlin will jump in to try to nit pick some wording I
used... I have not revisited it, but even if my wording was not perfect
I clearly was not as completely lost as what Gremlin shows he was.
That's
I do want to be clear: I am NOT putting Gremlin down for not knowing.
That is fine. But if you look at his tone in all of that he was not
only ignorant (that is fine) he was condescending and arrogant. THAT is
the issue I have with him. Even when he has no idea about what is being
discussed he wants to pretend not only that he is an expert but that he
is better than others he deep down feels inferior to.
Why not cut the passive aggressive act snit?
It's worn out and you aren't fooling anyone.
He thinks he is, that's why he does it.
David Brooks explained on 8/5/2023 :
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27
GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me,
too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you >>>>>>> didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific,
proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit
efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's
blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're
playing along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you
out for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone
backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing
it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and
others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to >>>>>>> me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing
along with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you
off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting >>>>>>> you were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system
is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then.
They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are
newer? It is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy
not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
ย Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in >>>> the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed >>>> before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
ย ย Gremlin:
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
ย ย ย ย easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
ย ย ย ย a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
ย ย ย ย point b is actually just the differences between the
ย ย ย ย copies, except that there aren't any differences between
ย ย ย ย them until you make a change to the original or the
ย ย ย ย duplicate one.
ย ย ย ย -----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And
what
differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no
differences...
though of course you can change each file (even though in the
background they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
ย ย ย ย file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
ย ย ย ย the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
ย ย ย ย a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
ย ย ย ย being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
ย ย ย ย havent even made yet?
ย ย ย ย -----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just
completely
lost on the topic.
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
ย ย ย ย should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
ย ย ย ย just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
ย ย ย ย changes to the original.
ย ย ย ย -----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete
copy". He did not understand the concept.
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
ย ย ย ย in learning something new. So, which file systems
ย ย ย ย specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
ย ย ย ย -----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was >>> saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything
about
the topic.
ย Fact is, youOf course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task. >>>
was not
new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his
own
words.
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call.ย It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
I think that there is a language barrier. He most likely thinks in code (direct hardware access) so a copy literally means a copy. In a userland
GUI menu or drag 'n' drop functionality (or perhaps even a CLI command)
it is a request that underlying file and disk management system software handles.
In this case someone with editing permissions opens a file for editing
and instead gets a clone (not a copy) in a storage area, not being part
of the file storage area, as a 'working copy' to view. If an edit is
made (the point I think he was making) only then will the difference
data be something to store in a way similar to some incremental backup strategies; a 'delta' is formed with the accumulated change data.
On 05/08/2023 10:26, Gremlin wrote:
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
news:lKczM.480872$GMN3.247286@fx16.iad Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:57:05 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Why not cut the passive aggressive act snit?
It's worn out and you aren't fooling anyone.
He thinks he is, that's why he does it.
Please don't feed the Trolls!
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> news:TlqzM.486150$TPw2.42499@fx17.iad Sat, 05 Aug 2023 11:26:43 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
news:uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me Fri, 04 Aug 2023 09:41:06 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Snit brought next idea :
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? >>>>> It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy
not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface. Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy'
in the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to
actually be created with the modifications and the two files would
then be different.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
Fact is, you can see this happening if you copy a large file to the
same and different volumes and note the difference in time to complete >>>> the task.
Thanks for joining the increasing list of the regulars with a tech
background who post here, calling snit out for the BS he wrote about
me. I do appreciate it.
I enjoy and learn from FTR and your posts.
Both of you are obviously highly skilled and technical.
Thanks man. I know we're both just pixels on a screen, but as you seem to know, there's actually a person behind the screen. :)
I agree with what you wrote, btw. FtR, And Apd are peers of mine. They are both perfectly capable of not only understanding me, but potentially schooling me in more than one area of tech to boot.:)
They are the very thing Snit so badly wishes he was. Not only are both of them actually peers and respected by default in that arena, they're also
what I'd call an elder peer; they *do* know more about some aspects of tech than I'll ever learn. Snit can't become a peer likely in my lifetime because he hasn't put the time in, and from the looks of things, never will.
Productive and Snit aren't even distant cousins.
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> news:PhqzM.486149$TPw2.384858@fx17.iad Sat, 05 Aug 2023 11:22:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:xpTyM.446516$AsA.375756@fx18.iad
Thu, 03 Aug 2023 19:41:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is >>>> newer than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around
then. They did update it later, but not completely redo it.
You're not only putting words in my mouth, but, you're also making some
batshit crazy seriously, crazy, assumptions while you do so. I said
that a six year old file system, isn't "new".
LOL! He really is sorta clueless.
As you've learned, because several people have stepped in and corrected
you, you have been wrong about my knowledge of cloning, from the jump.
And these efforts to be insulting are worthless Snit. You have hundreds
of people who've voiced their opinions concerning you, as well as
documenting how you behave towards others online. Especially when
you've been caught, as you have been (again), telling a porkie.
What common file systems are newer? It
is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
funny snit, must be an echo in here, because that's almost verbatim
word for word what I wrote to you about your claim that Apples file
system was 'new'. It's six fucking years old, it hasn't been 'new' in a
long long time. The fact it's the latest file system offered by Apple
doesn't make it 'new'. Age is still age, regardless.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not >>>> taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
Heh, of course, you realize that multiple people have stepped into the
conversation now, and not a single person with a tech background here
has backed what you wrote about the subject, a single time. Instead,
they've corrected you. FtR flat out told you that you were wrong, more
than once. Kelly busted you, SC went into greater detail picking apart
what I wrote, practically highlighting all of the things you didn't
understand
You are, as I said before, writing from your asshole concerning me.
Hoping to make some kind of sale.
It seems to me when snit misreads a post and as such his reply is
incorrect he just triples down on his error rather than admitting he is
in error. Then he adds in some "it's ok to be wrong and I don't judge my
opponent" BS as some sprinkles on the ice cream.
That's *exactly* what he pulls, yes. It's what he did when he accused me of having a copy of the floodbot. He really considers himself quite the master of the english language.
Which is ironic when you consider that he has demonstrated a severe reading comprehension problem and continues to do so.
With the floodbot accusation, he misread one of my replies. He got
completely lost. Ftr,Apd, and myself all called him out and explained
why/how he was wrong. Instead of taking our solid advice and apologizing, he doubles down on it. Tells all of us that he knows my intentions better than
I do. According to snit, what all of us, along with another GC on the same job all agreed with what I wrote, and they explained why. Snit pretty much ignored everything that was written and, well, you've seen my efforts to get him to apologize.
On 05/08/2023 13:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks explained on 8/5/2023 :
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT >>>>>>>> in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, >>>>>>>>>> David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you >>>>>>>> didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, >>>>>>>> blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to >>>>>>>> twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing >>>>>>>> smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing >>>>>>>> along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out >>>>>>>> for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing >>>>>>>> him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? >>>>>>>> If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others >>>>>>>> would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, >>>>>>>> David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along >>>>>>>> with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you >>>>>>>> were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is >>>>>> newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. >>>>>> They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? >>>>>> It is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not >>>>>> taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives >>>>> strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk -- >>>>> not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in >>>>> the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually >>>>> be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed >>>>> before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just >>>> described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what >>>> differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no
differences...
though of course you can change each file (even though in the background >>>> they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then
copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just
completely
lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete
copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was >>>> saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything
about
the topic.
Fact is, youOf course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was >>>> not
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task. >>>>
new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be >>>> better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own >>>> words.
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
I think that there is a language barrier. He most likely thinks in code
(direct hardware access) so a copy literally means a copy. In a userland
GUI menu or drag 'n' drop functionality (or perhaps even a CLI command) it >> is a request that underlying file and disk management system software
handles.
In this case someone with editing permissions opens a file for editing and >> instead gets a clone (not a copy) in a storage area, not being part of the >> file storage area, as a 'working copy' to view. If an edit is made (the
point I think he was making) only then will the difference data be
something to store in a way similar to some incremental backup strategies; >> a 'delta' is formed with the accumulated change data.
Is that not, more-or-less, what Snit said on the ASC forum?
Here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What is your take of what 'etresoft' then had to say?
"Your reply is unusual, and curiously so. It is possible that your
question was sincere. But there does seem to be some malicious activity
in this thread, so I won't reply again. If your question was sincere,
then I wish you good luck and caution you to never trust people on the internet. You never know when stalkers are lurking. Well, almost never."
Are you, FTR, up to engage 'etresoft' in conversation about this?
David Brooks wrote on 8/5/2023 :
On 05/08/2023 13:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks explained on 8/5/2023 :
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 >>>>>>>>> GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, >>>>>>>>>>> too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what >>>>>>>>> you didn't
realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific,
proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit
efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's
blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're
playing along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you >>>>>>>>> out for
swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone
backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing >>>>>>>>> it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and >>>>>>>>> others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' >>>>>>>>> to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing >>>>>>>>> along with
whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you >>>>>>>>> off. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to
troll! ;-)
It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing >>>>>>>>> very
dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou
admitting you were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there >>>>>>>> school
you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file
system is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around
then. They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are
newer? It is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file
copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives >>>>>> strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a >>>>>> copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk -- >>>>>> not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a >>>>>> 'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
ย Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the
'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually >>>>>> be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just >>>>> described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
ย ย Gremlin:
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
ย ย ย ย easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
ย ย ย ย a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
ย ย ย ย point b is actually just the differences between the
ย ย ย ย copies, except that there aren't any differences between
ย ย ย ย them until you make a change to the original or the
ย ย ย ย duplicate one.
ย ย ย ย -----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him.
And what
differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no
differences...
though of course you can change each file (even though in the
background they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
ย ย ย ย file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
ย ย ย ย the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
ย ย ย ย a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
ย ย ย ย being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
ย ย ย ย havent even made yet?
ย ย ย ย -----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And
then copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just
completely
lost on the topic.
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
ย ย ย ย should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
ย ย ย ย just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
ย ย ย ย changes to the original.
ย ย ย ย -----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a >>>>> "complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a
"complete
copy". He did not understand the concept.
ย ย ย ย -----
ย ย ย ย You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
ย ย ย ย in learning something new. So, which file systems
ย ย ย ย specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
ย ย ย ย -----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended
I was
saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand
anything about
the topic.
ย Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the
task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it
was not
new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual
would be
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by
his own
words.
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you. >>>> As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot >>>> make a judgement call.ย It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got >>>> LOADS of free space!
I think that there is a language barrier. He most likely thinks in
code (direct hardware access) so a copy literally means a copy. In a
userland GUI menu or drag 'n' drop functionality (or perhaps even a
CLI command) it is a request that underlying file and disk management
system software handles.
In this case someone with editing permissions opens a file for
editing and instead gets a clone (not a copy) in a storage area, not
being part of the file storage area, as a 'working copy' to view. If
an edit is made (the point I think he was making) only then will the
difference data be something to store in a way similar to some
incremental backup strategies; a 'delta' is formed with the
accumulated change data.
Is that not, more-or-less, what Snit said on the ASC forum?
Perhaps what he meant to say. :)
Here:ย https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
What is your take of what 'etresoft' then had to say?
Etresoft's answer invited animosity.
"Your reply is unusual, and curiously so. It is possible that your
question was sincere. But there does seem to be some malicious activity
in this thread, so I won't reply again. If your question was sincere,
then I wish you good luck and caution you to never trust people on the
internet. You never know when stalkers are lurking. Well, almost never."
Are you, FTR, up to engage 'etresoft' in conversation about this?
No, and I object to the 'up to' reference -- I am simply uninterested.
What is your take of what 'etresoft' then had to say?
"Your reply is unusual, and curiously so. It is possible that your
question was sincere. But there does seem to be some malicious activity
in this thread, so I won't reply again. If your question was sincere,
then I wish you good luck and caution you to never trust people on the >internet. You never know when stalkers are lurking. Well, almost never."
It seems to me when snit misreads a post and as such his reply is incorrect he just triples down on
his error rather than admitting he is in error. Then he adds in some "it's ok to be wrong and I
don't judge my opponent" BS as some sprinkles on the ice cream.
I'd love to see how long snit would last in the local pub watching football on the big screens.
Some drunk mountain of a man would stuff snit into the urinal and flush him. However, I do suspect
snit identifies as female so even a 1.7m tall, 45kg girl would stuff him head first into the loo
and pull the chain.
vSnit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:hKWyM.62044$QQFb.18134@fx38.iad Thu, >03 Aug 2023 23:28:13 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
As he later noted, though, this is not unique to APFS. Might be the most
common file system to do this, though.
Interesting how I was able to "note" that, but, otherwise, don't know shit >about the subject, isn't it, Snit? You really didn't think this through >before you attemped to pass off your uneducated opinion about what I
do/don't know as a fact when it's never been.
I am OK with him not knowing.
As others have made it clear to you, You are wrong, and you always have been >wrong about this.
it was his outrageous behavior around it which was the issue.
Bullshit. The only one with outrageous behavior concerning this subject is >yourself. You have attempted to pass off your grossly misinformed opinion of >what you think I do/don't know as an established fact. You are being >extremely dishonest as you do so, and it's an intentional act on your part. >You actually think you're being coy as you weasel around.
On 04/08/2023 13:56, Snit wrote:
On Aug 4, 2023 at 2:41:06 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit brought next idea :
On Aug 3, 2023 at 11:35:38 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_rSyM.473125$TPw2.189493@fx17.iad>:
On 03/08/2023 03:23, Gremlin wrote:
David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
news:%AAyM.377860$mPI2.59706@fx15.iad Wed, 02 Aug 2023 22:16:27 GMT in >>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 02/08/2023 05:23, Gremlin wrote:
That's all included in the so called 'Dirt' you have on me, too, David.
It wasn't ME that made you into a 'bad guy', Dustin.
I wasn't a 'bad guy' by the time you heard of me. That's what you didn't >>>>>> realize when you tried to hire me for those very specific, proven, blackhat
skills I have.
Which you're contradicting when you support Snits bullshit efforts to twist
and project concerning the entire cloning discussion. He's blowing smoke up
your ass, and I strongly suspect you know that, but, you're playing along
with his continued efforts to slime me.
Is that why you haven't responded to Kelly when they called you out for >>>>>> swallowing Snits bullshit hook line and sinker?
David, if what Snit was writing was true, why isn't anyone backing him? Why
instead do we see a poster, Kelly calling you out for believing it? If what
I wrote about the subject was bullshit, don't you think he and others would
be calling me out for it by now?
Do you really think a six year old file system would be 'new' to me, David?
I don't think you really believe that. I think you're playing along with >>>>>> whatever snit writes about me, because I've really pissed you off. :) >>>>>
Perhaps I teased you too much, but you were VERY easy to troll! ;-) >>>>>>It's always teasing with you when you get called out for doing very >>>>>> dishonest shit towards someone else. I don't recallyou admitting you were
trollig me or anyone else previously though. Interesting.
Please enter the fray on the ASC forum and let the gurus there school >>>>> you. If you dare!
Gremlin has a challenge with the idea that six year old file system is newer
than the one Apple used starting in... 1986? Not sure. Around then. They did
update it later, but not completely redo it.
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? It is
not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy not taking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives
strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk --
not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface.
That is what I am talking about. APFS does that. HFS/HFS+ does not.
Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' in
the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to actually
be created with the modifications and the two files would then be
different.
Of course.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was discussed
before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
When I spoke of APFS making copies on the same volume the way you just
described he jumped in to disagree and spout nonsense.
Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.
-----
The idea of a copy not being a "real" copy made no sense to him. And what
differences when you copy the file? When you copy it has no differences... >> though of course you can change each file (even though in the background they
are the same). He had no clue what was being talked about.
-----
Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?
-----
He denied you could have a copy that wasn't "really" a copy. And then copying
changes you have not made? None of that is coherent. He was just completely >> lost on the topic.
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.
-----
And here he made a VERY direct claim that the copied file should be a
"complete copy". No. it is just a pointer to the same file. Not a "complete >> copy". He did not understand the concept.
-----
You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----
And then I let him know I was speaking of APFS... and he pretended I was
saying this was unique to APFS. He just could not understand anything about >> the topic.
Fact is, you
can see this happening if you copy a large file to the same and
different volumes and note the difference in time to complete the task.
Of course. And the video I pointed him to showed him that... but it was not >> new to me. I merely showed him that because I figured a visual would be
better. But he was the one who was lost about this... as shown by his own
words.
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
On Aug 5, 2023 at 3:28:17 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <5vpzM.383381$TCKc.8306@fx13.iad>:[....]
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
Sure. Here is the original text:
-----
A shame you cannot even try to learn from what you read. But this is a good chance to educate you. Here is a video example:
https://youtu.be/fd9X6Tg3XwQ
Hopefully that helps you.
My prediction: you will pretend you already knew this and then jump to some nonsense about how I must have meant from one volume to another or some other nonsense BS to try to protect your ego. I hope you prove me wrong.
------
I was very close to right. He is pretending I did not know what I showed him and he mocked me for and clearly did NOT understand.
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
I suppose it is possible Gremlin focused more on his need to attack and insult
and brag than he did tech info... but either way, he presented himself as being ignorant of this information.
The more important thing, though, is the tech info, and the video shows it clearly. Let me know if you have any questions.
On 06/08/2023 05:37, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 3:28:17 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote[....]
<5vpzM.383381$TCKc.8306@fx13.iad>:
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
Sure. Here is the original text:
-----
A shame you cannot even try to learn from what you read. But this is a good >> chance to educate you. Here is a video example:
https://youtu.be/fd9X6Tg3XwQ
Hopefully that helps you.
My prediction: you will pretend you already knew this and then jump to some >> nonsense about how I must have meant from one volume to another or some other
nonsense BS to try to protect your ego. I hope you prove me wrong.
------
I was very close to right. He is pretending I did not know what I showed him >> and he mocked me for and clearly did NOT understand.
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
I suppose it is possible Gremlin focused more on his need to attack and insult
and brag than he did tech info... but either way, he presented himself as
being ignorant of this information.
The more important thing, though, is the tech info, and the video shows it >> clearly. Let me know if you have any questions.
That video puts everything into perspective!
THANK YOU, Snit! :-D
May I suggest that you post it onto the ASC forum thread so that other
folk may be able understand too? You could do so in response to
'etresoft' and ask if he agrees. Thanks if you do.
On 06/08/2023 05:37, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 3:28:17 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote[....]
<5vpzM.383381$TCKc.8306@fx13.iad>:
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
Sure. Here is the original text:
-----
A shame you cannot even try to learn from what you read. But this is a good >> chance to educate you. Here is a video example:
https://youtu.be/fd9X6Tg3XwQ
Hopefully that helps you.
My prediction: you will pretend you already knew this and then jump to some >> nonsense about how I must have meant from one volume to another or some other
nonsense BS to try to protect your ego. I hope you prove me wrong.
------
I was very close to right. He is pretending I did not know what I showed him >> and he mocked me for and clearly did NOT understand.
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
I suppose it is possible Gremlin focused more on his need to attack and insult
and brag than he did tech info... but either way, he presented himself as
being ignorant of this information.
The more important thing, though, is the tech info, and the video shows it >> clearly. Let me know if you have any questions.
That video puts everything into perspective!
THANK YOU, Snit! :-D
May I suggest that you post it onto the ASC forum thread so that other
folk may be able understand too? You could do so in response to
'etresoft' and ask if he agrees. Thanks if you do.
That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
news:TlqzM.486150$TPw2.42499@fx17.iad Sat, 05 Aug 2023 11:26:43 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
news:uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me Fri, 04 Aug 2023 09:41:06 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Snit brought next idea :
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? >>>>>> It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy >>>>>> not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives >>>>> strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a
copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk -- >>>>> not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a
'new icon' in your user interface. Making a copy to another volume
caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' >>>>> in the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to
actually be created with the modifications and the two files would
then be different.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest.
Fact is, you can see this happening if you copy a large file to the
same and different volumes and note the difference in time to complete >>>>> the task.
Thanks for joining the increasing list of the regulars with a tech
background who post here, calling snit out for the BS he wrote about
me. I do appreciate it.
I enjoy and learn from FTR and your posts.
Both of you are obviously highly skilled and technical.
Thanks man. I know we're both just pixels on a screen, but as you seem to
know, there's actually a person behind the screen. :)
I agree with what you wrote, btw. FtR, And Apd are peers of mine. They are >> both perfectly capable of not only understanding me, but potentially
schooling me in more than one area of tech to boot.:)
They are the very thing Snit so badly wishes he was. Not only are both of
them actually peers and respected by default in that arena, they're also
what I'd call an elder peer; they *do* know more about some aspects of tech >> than I'll ever learn. Snit can't become a peer likely in my lifetime because >> he hasn't put the time in, and from the looks of things, never will.
Productive and Snit aren't even distant cousins.
I too have learned from just about everyone in the group except for snit. Even DB posts interesting material at times. I found his recently posted link to email header
deciphering interesting.
Snit's posts are nothing more than pablum puke from an infant and every thread he pokes his pointy
nose into he tries to create chaos because he is incapable of sitting back quietly and learning
something new. Snit needs to be the center of attention all the time.
On 2023-08-05, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
news:TlqzM.486150$TPw2.42499@fx17.iad Sat, 05 Aug 2023 11:26:43 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
news:uaih3p$17lff$1@dont-email.me Fri, 04 Aug 2023 09:41:06 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Snit brought next idea :
LOL! He really is sorta clueless. What common file systems are newer? >>>>>>> It is not like apps which get updated significant year by year.
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy >>>>>>> not taking any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
You are wrong there. It is/was well known that even many older drives >>>>>> strategies had that part of that feature. Within a volume, making a >>>>>> copy meant merely making another path to the same resource on disk -- >>>>>> not even a new file gets created in that case even though you get a >>>>>> 'new icon' in your user interface. Making a copy to another volume >>>>>> caused creation of an actual new complete file. Modifying the 'copy' >>>>>> in the aforementioned 'new path' scenario would cause a file to
actually be created with the modifications and the two files would >>>>>> then be different.
I know for a fact that Gremlin is/was aware of this as it was
discussed before, so he could not have been 'lost' as you suggest. >>>>>> Fact is, you can see this happening if you copy a large file to the >>>>>> same and different volumes and note the difference in time to complete >>>>>> the task.
Thanks for joining the increasing list of the regulars with a tech
background who post here, calling snit out for the BS he wrote about >>>>> me. I do appreciate it.
I enjoy and learn from FTR and your posts.
Both of you are obviously highly skilled and technical.
Thanks man. I know we're both just pixels on a screen, but as you seem to >>> know, there's actually a person behind the screen. :)
I agree with what you wrote, btw. FtR, And Apd are peers of mine. They are >>> both perfectly capable of not only understanding me, but potentially
schooling me in more than one area of tech to boot.:)
They are the very thing Snit so badly wishes he was. Not only are both of >>> them actually peers and respected by default in that arena, they're also >>> what I'd call an elder peer; they *do* know more about some aspects of tech >>> than I'll ever learn. Snit can't become a peer likely in my lifetime because
he hasn't put the time in, and from the looks of things, never will.
Productive and Snit aren't even distant cousins.
I too have learned from just about everyone in the group except for snit.
Even DB posts interesting material at times. I found his recently posted link to email header
deciphering interesting.
Snit's posts are nothing more than pablum puke from an infant and every thread he pokes his pointy
nose into he tries to create chaos because he is incapable of sitting back quietly and learning
something new. Snit needs to be the center of attention all the time.
That's why I 'help' him achieve that 'goal' ;)
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaf5v7$gbrh$1@dont-email.me Thu,
03 Aug 2023 03:12:39 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
I was baiting snit !
LOL !
My bad, My bad.
I think my question spun his head around like Linda Blair !
If it didn't, my detailed QA session concerning cloning sure as hell
did. He doesn't know which was is up or down. But, naturally, instead
of admit he was wrong, he'll convert it to opinions so that he can
"agree to disagree" with everyone who wrote about the subject, all
without, having to admit he was wrong when he jumped the gun and
mistakenly assumed I didn't know what cloning was until Snit arrived.
That's really what he wanted people to think!
Snit's gone off the rails. His behavior as of late, has become quite
loony. I hope he gets his medication dosage adjusted because something
has gone amok.
On 05/08/2023 13:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with you.
As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so cannot
make a judgement call.ย It's only mildly interesting to me as I've got
LOADS of free space!
I think that there is a language barrier. He most likely thinks in code
(direct hardware access) so a copy literally means a copy. In a userland
GUI menu or drag 'n' drop functionality (or perhaps even a CLI command)
it is a request that underlying file and disk management system software
handles.
In this case someone with editing permissions opens a file for editing
and instead gets a clone (not a copy) in a storage area, not being part
of the file storage area, as a 'working copy' to view. If an edit is
made (the point I think he was making) only then will the difference
data be something to store in a way similar to some incremental backup
strategies; a 'delta' is formed with the accumulated change data.
Is that not, more-or-less, what Snit said on the ASC forum?
Here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255032853
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy nottaking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
On 06/08/2023 05:37, Snit wrote:
On Aug 5, 2023 at 3:28:17 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote[....]
<5vpzM.383381$TCKc.8306@fx13.iad>:
Oops! I've missed a video, eh?
Please will you post again? TIA
Sure. Here is the original text:
-----
A shame you cannot even try to learn from what you read. But this is a
good chance to educate you. Here is a video example:
https://youtu.be/fd9X6Tg3XwQ
Hopefully that helps you.
My prediction: you will pretend you already knew this and then jump to
some nonsense about how I must have meant from one volume to another or
some other nonsense BS to try to protect your ego. I hope you prove me
wrong. ------
I was very close to right. He is pretending I did not know what I
showed him and he mocked me for and clearly did NOT understand.
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with
you. As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so
cannot make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as
I've got LOADS of free space!
I suppose it is possible Gremlin focused more on his need to attack and
insult and brag than he did tech info... but either way, he presented
himself as being ignorant of this information.
The more important thing, though, is the tech info, and the video shows
it clearly. Let me know if you have any questions.
That video puts everything into perspective!
THANK YOU, Snit! :-D
And, of course, you saw how he was lost on the idea of a file copy nottaking
any signifiant room, even for a 10 GB file.
May I suggest that you post it onto the ASC forum thread so that other
folk may be able understand too? You could do so in response to
'etresoft' and ask if he agrees. Thanks if you do.
David Brooks wrote on 8/5/2023 :
FromTheRafters 'knows his stuff' and it seem he doesn't agree with
you. As I said before, I know next to nothing about this subject, so
cannot make a judgement call. It's only mildly interesting to me as
I've got LOADS of free space!
I think that there is a language barrier. He most likely thinks in
code (direct hardware access) so a copy literally means a copy. In a
userland GUI menu or drag 'n' drop functionality (or perhaps even a
CLI command) it is a request that underlying file and disk management
system software handles.
In this case someone with editing permissions opens a file for editing
and instead gets a clone (not a copy) in a storage area, not being
part of the file storage area, as a 'working copy' to view. If an edit
is made (the point I think he was making) only then will the
difference data be something to store in a way similar to some
incremental backup strategies; a 'delta' is formed with the
accumulated change data.
Is that not, more-or-less, what Snit said on the ASC forum?
Perhaps what he meant to say. :)
No, and I object to the 'up to' reference -- I am simply uninterested.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:ualhtk$1ob2g$2@dont-email.me Sat, 05
Aug 2023 13:13:24 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaf5v7$gbrh$1@dont-email.me Thu,
03 Aug 2023 03:12:39 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
I was baiting snit !
LOL !
My bad, My bad.
I think my question spun his head around like Linda Blair !
If it didn't, my detailed QA session concerning cloning sure as hell
did. He doesn't know which was is up or down. But, naturally, instead
of admit he was wrong, he'll convert it to opinions so that he can
"agree to disagree" with everyone who wrote about the subject, all
without, having to admit he was wrong when he jumped the gun and
mistakenly assumed I didn't know what cloning was until Snit arrived.
That's really what he wanted people to think!
Snit's gone off the rails. His behavior as of late, has become quite
loony. I hope he gets his medication dosage adjusted because something
has gone amok.
He's doing the same thing with that discussion that he did when he was asked about the floodbot story. At no point did he ever admit he'd done anything wrong. All the time, he continued to partially quote me and provide his opinion about what I meant; completely ignoring myself, Ftr, And Apd as he did so.
He's literally doing the same thing here, practially following the same script.
On 2023-08-07, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:ualhtk$1ob2g$2@dont-email.me Sat, 05
Aug 2023 13:13:24 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaf5v7$gbrh$1@dont-email.me Thu,
03 Aug 2023 03:12:39 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
I was baiting snit !
LOL !
My bad, My bad.
I think my question spun his head around like Linda Blair !
If it didn't, my detailed QA session concerning cloning sure as hell
did. He doesn't know which was is up or down. But, naturally, instead
of admit he was wrong, he'll convert it to opinions so that he can
"agree to disagree" with everyone who wrote about the subject, all
without, having to admit he was wrong when he jumped the gun and
mistakenly assumed I didn't know what cloning was until Snit arrived.
That's really what he wanted people to think!
Snit's gone off the rails. His behavior as of late, has become quite
loony. I hope he gets his medication dosage adjusted because something
has gone amok.
He's doing the same thing with that discussion that he did when he was asked >> about the floodbot story. At no point did he ever admit he'd done anything >> wrong. All the time, he continued to partially quote me and provide his
opinion about what I meant; completely ignoring myself, Ftr, And Apd as he >> did so.
He's literally doing the same thing here, practially following the same
script.
Indeed.
According to SC, snit's been playing the same game for 20 years.
OMG, how sick is that?
Snit has literally wasted a 1/4 of his life trolling.
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 21:35:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-07, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:ualhtk$1ob2g$2@dont-email.me Sat, 05 >>> Aug 2023 13:13:24 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaf5v7$gbrh$1@dont-email.me Thu, >>>>> 03 Aug 2023 03:12:39 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
I was baiting snit !
LOL !
My bad, My bad.
I think my question spun his head around like Linda Blair !
If it didn't, my detailed QA session concerning cloning sure as hell >>>>> did. He doesn't know which was is up or down. But, naturally, instead >>>>> of admit he was wrong, he'll convert it to opinions so that he can
"agree to disagree" with everyone who wrote about the subject, all
without, having to admit he was wrong when he jumped the gun and
mistakenly assumed I didn't know what cloning was until Snit arrived. >>>>> That's really what he wanted people to think!
Snit's gone off the rails. His behavior as of late, has become quite
loony. I hope he gets his medication dosage adjusted because something >>>> has gone amok.
He's doing the same thing with that discussion that he did when he was asked
about the floodbot story. At no point did he ever admit he'd done anything >>> wrong. All the time, he continued to partially quote me and provide his
opinion about what I meant; completely ignoring myself, Ftr, And Apd as he >>> did so.
He's literally doing the same thing here, practially following the same
script.
Indeed.
According to SC, snit's been playing the same game for 20 years.
OMG, how sick is that?
Snit has literally wasted a 1/4 of his life trolling.
You'd think he'd be better at it by now.
I'm sure he's doing his best, though.
On 2023-08-08, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 21:35:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:Snit's a slow learner.
On 2023-08-07, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:ualhtk$1ob2g$2@dont-email.me Sat, 05 >>>> Aug 2023 13:13:24 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2023-08-05, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uaf5v7$gbrh$1@dont-email.me Thu, >>>>>> 03 Aug 2023 03:12:39 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
I was baiting snit !
LOL !
My bad, My bad.
I think my question spun his head around like Linda Blair !
If it didn't, my detailed QA session concerning cloning sure as hell >>>>>> did. He doesn't know which was is up or down. But, naturally, instead >>>>>> of admit he was wrong, he'll convert it to opinions so that he can >>>>>> "agree to disagree" with everyone who wrote about the subject, all >>>>>> without, having to admit he was wrong when he jumped the gun and
mistakenly assumed I didn't know what cloning was until Snit arrived. >>>>>> That's really what he wanted people to think!
Snit's gone off the rails. His behavior as of late, has become quite >>>>> loony. I hope he gets his medication dosage adjusted because something >>>>> has gone amok.
He's doing the same thing with that discussion that he did when he was asked
about the floodbot story. At no point did he ever admit he'd done anything >>>> wrong. All the time, he continued to partially quote me and provide his >>>> opinion about what I meant; completely ignoring myself, Ftr, And Apd as he >>>> did so.
He's literally doing the same thing here, practially following the same >>>> script.
Indeed.
According to SC, snit's been playing the same game for 20 years.
OMG, how sick is that?
Snit has literally wasted a 1/4 of his life trolling.
You'd think he'd be better at it by now.
I'm sure he's doing his best, though.
A REAL SLOW LEARNER.
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