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Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You will never run out of excuses for why iOS can't do what the others do.

you will never stop lying. there are no excuses.

You're the one who told Carlos that yt-dlp was ported to iOS when it's not.

As always, nospam is correct and you whining kiddie trolls are, well,
whining kiddie trolls. AGAIN.

<https://github.com/tucomel/yt-dlp-ios#readme>

I have no desire to try this, but yt-dlp clearly works on iOS. If any of you kiddies would bother to search for it, this thread could have ended centuries ago.

Hmmm!? Interesting.

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps can
only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

With a-Shell all kinds of potentially dangerous stuff could be
installed on an iOS device.

Of course these would not be 'normal' iOS apps and the average iOS
user is not really at risk, because (s)he is unlikely to install stuff
that way, but the same goes for the average Android user.

So it seems that this 'safe' App Store isn't as safe as some/most of
You Guys (TM) claim it is.

[Repeat:]

FWIW, I don't really care one way or the other. I'm only interested in information, not in zealotry/'hate'. I just use what suits *my* needs
(and price range) best, have family/friends who are quite happy with
their Apple products (and I can see why) and I 'even' own an Apple
product, so there you go! :-)

[...]

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On 2023-06-24, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You will never run out of excuses for why iOS can't do what the
others do.

you will never stop lying. there are no excuses.

You're the one who told Carlos that yt-dlp was ported to iOS when
it's not.

As always, nospam is correct and you whining kiddie trolls are, well,
whining kiddie trolls. AGAIN.

<https://github.com/tucomel/yt-dlp-ios#readme>

I have no desire to try this, but yt-dlp clearly works on iOS. If
any of you kiddies would bother to search for it, this thread could
have ended centuries ago.

Hmmm!? Interesting.

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

Nope. The a-Shell app is from the App Store, and yt-dlp runs inside of
its sandbox.

With a-Shell all kinds of potentially dangerous stuff could be
installed on an iOS device.

The app is sandboxed like any other. The installed software stays in the
app's sandbox, naturally.

So it seems that this 'safe' App Store isn't as safe as some/most of
You Guys (TM) claim it is.

Wrong.

I'm only interested in disinformation

FTFY

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[Disclaimer: Yes gran. I know, I know.]

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2023-06-24, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You will never run out of excuses for why iOS can't do what the
others do.

you will never stop lying. there are no excuses.

You're the one who told Carlos that yt-dlp was ported to iOS when
it's not.

As always, nospam is correct and you whining kiddie trolls are, well,
whining kiddie trolls. AGAIN.

<https://github.com/tucomel/yt-dlp-ios#readme>

I have no desire to try this, but yt-dlp clearly works on iOS. If
any of you kiddies would bother to search for it, this thread could
have ended centuries ago.

Hmmm!? Interesting.

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

Nope. The a-Shell app is from the App Store, and yt-dlp runs inside of
its sandbox.

Sigh! 'security' and 'safe' is not just about a sandbox.

You Guys (TM) have been harping about the unwanted behaviour of the
very example app (yt-dlp). So the 'safe' App Store allows people,
running iOS devices, to violate the ToS of Google's services, while
Google pays Apple loads of money for the privilege of having their
search engine on Apple's platform.

And *if* the sandbox is all that's needed , then why all the hoopla of
only allowing apps installed from the App Store? Can't have your cake
and eat it too.

With a-Shell all kinds of potentially dangerous stuff could be
installed on an iOS device.

The app is sandboxed like any other. The installed software stays in the app's sandbox, naturally.

So it seems that this 'safe' App Store isn't as safe as some/most of
You Guys (TM) claim it is.

[Pathetic 'convenient' selective silent snipping deleted. Grow up, will
you?]

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On 2023-06-24, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

[Disclaimer: Yes gran. I know, I know.]

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2023-06-24, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You will never run out of excuses for why iOS can't do what the
others do.

you will never stop lying. there are no excuses.

You're the one who told Carlos that yt-dlp was ported to iOS when
it's not.

As always, nospam is correct and you whining kiddie trolls are,
well, whining kiddie trolls. AGAIN.

<https://github.com/tucomel/yt-dlp-ios#readme>

I have no desire to try this, but yt-dlp clearly works on iOS. If
any of you kiddies would bother to search for it, this thread
could have ended centuries ago.

Hmmm!? Interesting.

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

Nope. The a-Shell app is from the App Store, and yt-dlp runs inside
of its sandbox.

Sigh! 'security' and 'safe' is not just about a sandbox.

Never said it was, but nothing escapes the app's sandbox. And the point
is we can run yt-dlp on iOS just fine - something you assholes joyfully
claimed is impossible just yesterday, which is on record. And you
*desperately* want to distract from that fact, don't you? Hence your
sudden "concern" for security. 🙂

[Pathetic 'convenient' selective silent snipping deleted. Grow up,
will you?]

Projection.

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps can
only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

You have noticed each of their excuses contradicts their next excuse.

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

You have noticed each of their excuses contradicts their next excuse.

We've all noticed that both of you are so *desperate* to ignore the FACT
that iOS can download YouTube videos with yt-dlp like all of the other platforms that you are trying to change the topic to *anything* else.
Your lame trolls are *transparent*. Cope more. 🤣

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

And *if* the sandbox is all that's needed , then why all the hoopla of
only allowing apps installed from the App Store? Can't have your cake
and eat it too.

There is only one reason why iOS can't do what every other system does.
Walled Garden.

For command-line-only tasks, they may be able to run a shell clusterfuck.

However, that untested iOS shell clusterfuck won't work for everything.
For example, the walled garden doesn't allow the Tor Project Browser in it.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

You have noticed each of their excuses contradicts their next excuse.

We've all noticed that both of you are so *desperate* to ignore the FACT
that iOS can download YouTube videos with yt-dlp like all of the other platforms that you are trying to change the topic to *anything* else.
Your lame trolls are *transparent*. Cope more. 🤣

Digging the hole deeper is clearly how he copes.

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

And *if* the sandbox is all that's needed , then why all the hoopla
of only allowing apps installed from the App Store? Can't have your
cake and eat it too.

There is only one reason why iOS can't do what every other system
does. Walled Garden.

As expected, you bozos are desperately clinging to the same, old, tired
lines because you literally have nothing else. 🤣

For command-line-only tasks, they may be able to run a shell
clusterfuck.

Yes, shells are "clusterfucks", y'all. Pay no mind that these bozos have
been discussing command-line tools (yt-dlp) for literal *days* right
here in this very thread without accusing them to be "clusterfucks". No,
see, it's not until someone opens a shell on iOS (GASP) that it
magically becomes a clusterfuck. 🤡

However, that untested iOS shell clusterfuck

So untested, y'all:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Oh, my!! 🤣

won't work for everything

More desperation. 🤣

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

You have noticed each of their excuses contradicts their next excuse.

We've all noticed that both of you are so *desperate* to ignore the FACT
that iOS can download YouTube videos with yt-dlp like all of the other platforms that you are trying to change the topic to *anything* else.
Your lame trolls are *transparent*. Cope more.

First off, we don't care that iOS can't do what all other systems do.
We don't even own iOS devices (although we both have family who do).

It's _you_ who seems to have your panties all balled up about this.
You are so upset that you've been lying about iOS this entire thread.

How do we know that your suggested iOS command-line clusterfuck even works?

For example, can you get that clusterfuck to work on your own iOS device? Assuming you're a technically competent person, why don't you prove it.

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.
Because that clusterfuck likely does not work.
And because you appear to lack the technical skills to make it work.

But even if it does work for this one case out of thousands on your system,
it still won't work for the thousands upon thousands of other useful capabilities iOS lacks (which all other systems, except iOS, easily do).

For example, how are you going to run the Tor Project browser in it?

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

But doesn't this also invalidate the 'security' feature which
many/most of You Guys (TM) have been harping about, that iOS apps
can only be installed from the 'safe' App Store?

You have noticed each of their excuses contradicts their next
excuse.

We've all noticed that both of you are so *desperate* to ignore the
FACT that iOS can download YouTube videos with yt-dlp like all of the
other platforms that you are trying to change the topic to *anything*
else. Your lame trolls are *transparent*. Cope more.

First off, we don't care that iOS can't do what all other systems do.

Just keep repeating that tired, old line to yourself to keep the
boogeyman away, Shorty. Sleep tight! 🤣

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

For example, can you get that clusterfuck to work on your own iOS
device? Assuming you're a technically competent person, why don't you
prove it.

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

You should change your email address to
perpetually-confused@nospam.co.uk... 🤣

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Jolly Roger wrote on 24.06.2023 18:16

As expected, you bozos are desperately clinging to the same, old, tired
lines because you literally have nothing else.

If we assume you're technically competent, you'll show us a screenshot,
within the next half hour or so, of the clusterfuck working on your device.

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Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:

Digging the hole deeper is clearly how he copes.

If we assume you're technically competent, you'll show us a screenshot,
within the next half hour or so, of the clusterfuck working on your device.

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 24.06.2023 18:16

As expected, you bozos are desperately clinging to the same, old,
tired lines because you literally have nothing else.

If we assume you're technically competent, you'll show us a
screenshot, within the next half hour or so, of the clusterfuck
working on your device.

Already provided a screen *recording* of it yesterday, kiddo. Try to
keep up. 🤣

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

Even so, there are thousands upon thousands of very useful things (like privacy) which are impossible on iOS so I will look to see if your iOS clusterfuck shows that the Tor Project level of privacy is possible on iOS.

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On 2023-06-24 13:39, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Already provided a screen *recording* of it yesterday, kiddo.

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

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-Ronald Coase

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Already provided a screen *recording* of it yesterday, kiddo.

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same clusterfuck.

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck
works. But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS
system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about
privacy.

Now you're attacking the website out of pure desperation! 🤣

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account

No login is required to watch the video I posted, numbskull.

so that Vidyard site is unavailable.

Are you seriously this fucking dumb? It plays just fine with *no* login.
🤣

Please upload it to a share site which does not require a login
account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

Vidyard doesn't require a login. You are just looking for any possible
excuse to disregard the video you asked for. 🤡

Even so, blah blah blah blah blah

You're an idiot, loser.

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Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

The yt-dlp.exe on Windows had no problem downloading that restricted video.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

You can run this on a VPN so that the download is not tied to your IP address.

yt-dlp https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?
[generic] Extracting URL: https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?
[generic] PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?: Downloading webpage
WARNING: [generic] Falling back on generic information extractor
[generic] PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?: Extracting information
[info] sd: Downloading 1 format(s): 0
[download] Resuming download at byte 12727749
[download] Destination: yt-dlp-ios [sd].mp4
[download] 100% of 13.94MiB in 00:00:01 at 13.60MiB/s

Even so, there are thousands upon thousands of very useful things (like privacy) which are impossible on iOS so I will look to see if your iOS clusterfuck shows that the Tor Project level of privacy is possible on iOS.

All the platforms (except iOS) have both interface types (GUI & cmd) to yt-dlp.

I doubt the iOS shell can bring up any graphical application but you'd need
to ask the iOS users to show that iOS shell can also run a graphical application.

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On 2023-06-24, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-06-24 13:39, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Already provided a screen *recording* of it yesterday, kiddo.

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same
clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

More like burying his fool head in the sand. 🤣

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same
clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

More like burying his fool head in the sand.

What you are ignoring is there are thousands of things iOS can't do
(that every other operating system has no problem doing - except iOS).

I watched the video using the graphical interface on Android and Windows
to the youtube downloaders (which didn't ask me for any login account).

You found a clusterfuck which works for _one_ (and only one!) of those.

Meanwhile, everyone else on all other platforms brings up the graphical
user interface that only iOS lacks, and they can bring up the Tor Browser.

You've found a workaround to one of the many thousands of things that
everyone else does quite easily on all other platforms except on iOS.

As I said, there are thousands upon thousands of useful things that you iOS weirdos are going to have to come up with a clusterfuck for each of them.

Where is a graphical user interface to the youtube downloader shown in that
iOS video (which, let's be very clear about - exists on all other systems)?

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Now you're attacking the website out of pure desperation!

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account

No login is required to watch the video I posted, numbskull.

I obtained the video using the graphical interface to the youtube
downloaders on both Android and Windows (which work on all except iOS).

so that Vidyard site is unavailable.

Are you seriously this fucking dumb?

I watched the video and the good news is that for the one situation out of
the thousands that iOS can't do, you found a clusterfuck workaround for it.

That workaround required two things that the other thousands won't have.
(1) The iOS shell clusterfuck
(2) A command line program compiled for iOS to run in that iOS clusterfuck

Please upload it to a share site which does not require a login
account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

Vidyard doesn't require a login. You are just looking for any possible
excuse to disregard the video you asked for.

The stated issue is that there are thousands upon thousands of very useful
apps which do not run in iOS because Apple's walled garden restricts them
(and yet those thousands upon thousand of apps run in all other systems).

You've shown a workaround for the special case of command-line apps which
are also compiled to run in that iOS shell clusterfuck, but no GUI's?

Even so, blah blah blah blah blah

You're an idiot, loser.

You were able to find a workaround to one of the thousands of useful capabilities that iOS can't do because of Apple's walled garden.

But where is the missing yt downloader graphical user interface for iOS?
(Plus thousands upon thousands of other GUIs that work in all except iOS.)

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On 2023-06-24 14:13, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same
clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

More like burying his fool head in the sand.

What you are ignoring is there are thousands of things iOS can't do
(that every other operating system has no problem doing - except iOS).

I watched the video using the graphical interface on Android and Windows
to the youtube downloaders (which didn't ask me for any login account).

You found a clusterfuck which works for _one_ (and only one!) of those.

Meanwhile, everyone else on all other platforms brings up the graphical
user interface that only iOS lacks, and they can bring up the Tor Browser.

Up to Tor to comply to Webkit. I guess they're lazy.
Recommended alternative (reccomended by Tor) is Onion browser for iOS.
They claim it's "not as private" w/o going into much detail (I'm too
lazy to research it).

You've found a workaround to one of the many thousands of things that everyone else does quite easily on all other platforms except on iOS.

As I said, there are thousands upon thousands of useful things that you iOS

Useful to some tiny sliver of phone users. Android included. As to
"thousands and thousands" you have to know you're blowing smoke.

You're pathetic. Again.

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TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2023-06-24 13:44, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy. >>
For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that >> Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded. >>

Interesting. While I do have a gmail account, I'm not logged into it,
and I refuse to set up a Microsoft account, yet Firefox in Mageia Linux
has no problem displaying that video.

Perhaps it is your device that is... inadequate.

Peter’s brain is clearly inadequate.

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On 2023-06-24 13:44, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

Interesting. While I do have a gmail account, I'm not logged into it,
and I refuse to set up a Microsoft account, yet Firefox in Mageia Linux
has no problem displaying that video.

Perhaps it is your device that is... inadequate.

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On 2023-06-24 14:53, Bob Campbell wrote:

TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2023-06-24 13:44, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works. >>>>> But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy. >>>
For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that >>> Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does >>> not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded. >>>

Interesting. While I do have a gmail account, I'm not logged into it,
and I refuse to set up a Microsoft account, yet Firefox in Mageia Linux
has no problem displaying that video.

Perhaps it is your device that is... inadequate.

Peter’s brain is clearly inadequate.

I was about to phrase that a little more politely.

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't
do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same
clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

More like burying his fool head in the sand.

there are thousands of things blah blah blah

Squirm, little worm! 🤣

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Now you're attacking the website out of pure desperation!

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

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On 2023-06-24, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2023-06-24 13:44, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck
works. But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your
iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about
privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so
that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site
which does not require a login account on that site just to view a
video you uploaded.

Interesting. While I do have a gmail account, I'm not logged into it,
and I refuse to set up a Microsoft account, yet Firefox in Mageia
Linux has no problem displaying that video.

Perhaps it is your device that is... inadequate.

Nah, his entire personality is inadequate.

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TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2023-06-24 13:44, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

Interesting. While I do have a gmail account, I'm not logged into it,
and I refuse to set up a Microsoft account, yet Firefox in Mageia Linux
has no problem displaying that video.

It also works fine here in a Google-free browser on Windows 11.

Nice clear demonstration and nice clear proof.

(JR are you 'listening' (and *comprehending*)!?)

Perhaps it is your device that is... inadequate.

<firmly sitting on hands>

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In article <u77a15$5u2s$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

no account is needed to view it.

but keep on digging.

Even so, there are thousands upon thousands of very useful things (like privacy) which are impossible on iOS

anyone who thinks android is more private than ios is delusional, or
just trolling.

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On 6/25/2023 3:03 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

Already provided a screen *recording* of it yesterday, kiddo.

Where is the link to that screen recording please?

Try to keep up.

No. You keep up. You're who is claiming iOS can do what it can't do.

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same
clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

More like burying his fool head in the sand.

What is hilarious is these Apple users are literally saying that the best
they can do to run what everything else does graphically, is an iOS shell.

That is, they can't do what they claim they can do in any graphical way.
Just like it was 30 years ago when we all used the DOS CLI on a terminal.

iOS shell <=> DOS shell (iOS is about 30 years behind in functionality)

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On 2023-06-24 19:44, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

I viewed the video without login.

Although it was not clear at first, because the site started with a 2
second loop instead of starting the play proper. It is waiting for click
to start.

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 14:02:36 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

Upload a recording of the Tor Browser working in that same clusterfuck.

He did. Were you asleep?

It must be you who is dead asleep as what you claimed is impossible.
You can't run any gui from that dumb ios cli. Certainly not the tbb gui.

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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

Up to Tor to comply to Webkit. I guess they're lazy.

Is that your final excuse?

For each of the thousands of applications which are on every platform
except iOS, you'll need to a new (different!) excuse for each one.

Because the Tor Project being too lazy is only one of your excuses
for why almost everything everyone wants to do works on all but iOS.

But let's find out your next excuse for why nothing works on iOS, and, specifically, the platform most advertised for privacy has no privacy.

The ungoogled chromium browser is designed for privacy from Google.
The ungoogled chromium browser works on all platforms except for on iOS.

What's your excuse for that?

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

You found _one_ thing, out of thousands, that iOS could actually do. Congratulations. That's a big deal actually. iOS "can" do something.

That's a good start. One thing out of thousands. However......

Of the thousands (upon thousands) of command line and graphical utilities
that are on every other platform (except iOS), we're just getting started.

Since there are thousands, I'll only ask for one at a time, to spare you.

Where's the graphical user interface to the youtube downloader?
Remember, that GUI is on _every_ other platform (except for iOS).

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

You found _one_ thing

It just so happens this thread is about that _one_ thing. 🙂 The reason
you are desperately trying to move the goal post now is because it has
been shown that it's easily done on iOS:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

🤣

Your trolls are lame and transparent.

--
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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

You found _one_ thing

It just so happens this thread is about that _one_ thing. ������ The reason you are desperately trying to move the goal post now is because it has
been shown that it's easily done on iOS:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Of the thousands (upon thousands) of useful capabilities that iOS can't do (which _all_ the other operating systems easily do) you found one it does.

Actually you didn't.
You only found one half of one thing that iOS could do.

Where's the other half of the problem set - namely where's the GUI?

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In article <u77sqv$7psh$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Of the thousands (upon thousands) of useful capabilities that iOS can't do (which _all_ the other operating systems easily do) you found one it does.

*far* more than just one. there are 'thousands (upon thousands) of
useful capabilities' that ios *can* do and other platforms *can't*.

nothing does everything, nor should it.

Where's the other half of the problem set - namely where's the GUI?

you're moving the goalposts again.

that wasn't part of the original claim, but fortunately, there is a gui
option if that's preferred.

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

You found _one_ thing

It just so happens this thread is about that _one_ thing.
������ The reason you are desperately trying to move the goal
post now is because it has been shown that it's easily done on iOS:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

you found one

I found what the OP asked for.

And you can't handle it. 🤣

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On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

I very strongly doubt your suggested classic Apple clusterfuck works.
But the proof will be a screenshot of it working on your iOS system

Which you will likely never provide.

I already did, dumb ass:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/PkEXT3ij2bc6VJTh6utPk9?>

Classic upload site for an iOS user who doesn't have a clue about privacy.

For privacy reasons, I have neither a Google nor Microsoft Account so that Vidyard site is unavailable. Please upload it to a share site which does
not require a login account on that site just to view a video you uploaded.

If only there was a tool that could download videos without
logging in. Someone was asking for something like that recently.

If you try that url with YT-dlp it downloads the video without
logging in. So if you are genuine do that and watch the video.

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

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On 2023-06-25 00:44, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

You found _one_ thing

It just so happens this thread is about that _one_ thing. 🙂

Yes, you are correct in this.

The only detail is that there seems to be no app to do it, point and
click, the OP seems to prefer this. Me, I don't care.

yt-dlp is a command line utility, in any operating system. It has to be
run in a terminal both in Android and in IOS.

But Android seems to have an app, called "newpipe". I haven't tried it.
It is not available on iOS, AFAIK. I don't think it is available on
Googles "Play Store" either, but it is on f-droid.

If you know of a similar app, point and click, to download youtube
videos with no restrictions or logins, please say it. I'm not interested
in arguments, it either exists or not. Don't tell me to search for it:
if it has been mentioned "thousands of times", then just post the link
to one of the exact message that tells it.

For me, it is just a curio, I don't have any interest on it. I'm not
interested in arguing which is better, iOS or Android. I don't care, it
is an absurd thing. Each one has his preferences.

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On 2023-06-25 08:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-06-25 00:44, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

You found _one_ thing

It just so happens this thread is about that _one_ thing. 🙂

Yes, you are correct in this.

Well, it used to be about that. Now, it seems to be about the completely unrelated tor browser.

The only detail is that there seems to be no app to do it, point and
click, the OP seems to prefer this. Me, I don't care.

yt-dlp is a command line utility, in any operating system. It has to be
run in a terminal both in Android and in IOS.

But Android seems to have an app, called "newpipe". I haven't tried it.
It is not available on iOS, AFAIK. I don't think it is available on
Googles "Play Store" either, but it is on f-droid.

It's been years since I tried, but when I first got an Android tablet I attempted to install a Firefox extension that would do this very thing.
(I had used it with Linux.) Firefox wouldn't do it, because it was
against Google policy. I doubt that that policy has changed.

If you know of a similar app, point and click, to download youtube
videos with no restrictions or logins, please say it. I'm not interested
in arguments, it either exists or not. Don't tell me to search for it:
if it has been mentioned "thousands of times", then just post the link
to one of the exact message that tells it.

For me, it is just a curio, I don't have any interest on it. I'm not interested in arguing which is better, iOS or Android. I don't care, it
is an absurd thing. Each one has his preferences.

About 10 years ago, I developed a desire for a device that was portable
and could connect to the Internet. At the time, I was torn between
getting a laptop or a tablet. On the advice of a friend that at the time authored a technology column for a daily newspaper, I bought a tablet.
He said it was the coming thing, that soon I wouldn't know how I got
along without one. I went with Android, because it was what I could afford.

I gave it a good try, I really did. But the thing was just too damn
limited in what it would do. Yeah, I could read my newspaper at the
kitchen table with my morning coffee, and it was nice for reading an
ebook and for a couple of puzzle games, but was a chore for just about everything else. I hated watching videos or browsing the web on that
little screen, much preferring the 23-inch screen of my desktop monitor.
The keyboard? Worthless.

I finally had to get an Android phone for cell service, and that's even
worse. Far too tiny for anything productive.

iPhones and iPads wouldn't be any better. Just as tiny as Android
devices, and too many restrictions on what I can do, if I wish to
explore my options. Different restrictions for each platform, but both
have the same problem.

I much prefer my Linux laptop. It's what I should have bought in the
first place.

TJ

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On 2023-06-25, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2023-06-25 08:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-06-25 00:44, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2023-06-24, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

You found _one_ thing

It just so happens this thread is about that _one_ thing. 🙂

Yes, you are correct in this.

Well, it used to be about that. Now, it seems to be about the completely unrelated tor browser.

"I just go wherever the troll farts lead me."

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On 2023-06-24 18:35, Peter wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

It asked for a login (maybe because I was using the Tor Browser).

Bullshit. You just assumed and blabbed, as usual.

You found _one_ thing, out of thousands, that iOS could actually do.

"thousands"?

If there are dozens it's a miracle.

And few people (Android users or iOS users) would care because they are
over the edge cases.

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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

And few people (Android users or iOS users) would care because they are
over the edge cases.

The problem is you have never even heard of WebKit so not only are you a nutjob, but you're an ignorant nutjob (which is fine) but your opinion
doesn't matter because you know nothing about Apple or Android products.

You only think you do - which is why you blamed Tor for Webkit's flaws.
That you did that proves you're not only a nutjob - but an ignorant one.

What you ignorant Apple nutjobs do not know is precisely because Apple's
walled garden limits iOS functionality allowed & because nobody else does,
iOS will always lack thousands of useful things all other systems have.

Therefore what you Apple nutjobs are completely ignorant of is that, as a direct result of the walled garden, there will never be any useful functionality on iOS outside the walled garden (meaning not using an Apple
Mac or watch) that isn't on all the other systems, including Android.

It's not a two-way equation. It's only a one-way equation because Apple severely restricts iOS functionality allowed while nobody else can do that.

You Apple nutjobs don't know anything about Apple or any other system.

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On 2023-06-25 10:24, Peter wrote:

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

And few people (Android users or iOS users) would care because they are
over the edge cases.

The problem is you have never even heard of WebKit so not only are you a nutjob, but you're an ignorant nutjob (which is fine) but your opinion doesn't matter because you know nothing about Apple or Android products.

You only think you do - which is why you blamed Tor for Webkit's flaws.
That you did that proves you're not only a nutjob - but an ignorant one.

What you ignorant Apple nutjobs do not know is precisely because Apple's walled garden limits iOS functionality allowed & because nobody else does, iOS will always lack thousands of useful things all other systems have.

Therefore what you Apple nutjobs are completely ignorant of is that, as a direct result of the walled garden, there will never be any useful functionality on iOS outside the walled garden (meaning not using an Apple Mac or watch) that isn't on all the other systems, including Android.

It's not a two-way equation. It's only a one-way equation because Apple severely restricts iOS functionality allowed while nobody else can do that.

You Apple nutjobs don't know anything about Apple or any other system.

I've know about WebKit FOREVER, Arlen.

And I'd like to know what these "flaws" are in WebKit that make it so
unusable for Tor.

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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

The only detail is that there seems to be no app to do it, point and
click, the OP seems to prefer this. Me, I don't care.

While all of us can use a GUI, why don't you use Lynx for a browser?
The reason is that a GUI is much (much) much much nicer than a CLI.

The Apple clusterfuck workaround is like going back 30 years to DOS days.

yt-dlp is a command line utility, in any operating system. It has to be
run in a terminal both in Android and in IOS.

While that's true that yt-dlp is only a command line program, on all
platforms _except_ on iOS, there are fantastic GUIs which are easy to use.

But Android seems to have an app, called "newpipe". I haven't tried it.
It is not available on iOS, AFAIK. I don't think it is available on
Googles "Play Store" either, but it is on f-droid.

NewPipe has its own page. It's also on GitHub. And it's also on F-Droid. https://newpipe.net/
https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

It's arguably one of the best programs ever written for the Android system
(if you ever watch videos and wish to see them without ads or any login).

If you know of a similar app, point and click, to download youtube
videos with no restrictions or logins, please say it. I'm not interested
in arguments, it either exists or not. Don't tell me to search for it:
if it has been mentioned "thousands of times", then just post the link
to one of the exact message that tells it.

Given that Google likely dislikes what NewPipe and ClipGrab easily do (as
they charge people for those privileges), the very existence of both of
them exemplifies what fundamentally makes all the operating systems (except iOS) have thousands upon thousands (upon thousands!) of rather useful functionality that Apple's locked walled-garden iOS will never have.

iOS restricts what apps can do while no other operating system can do that (except Chrome, which is the same thing as iOS except from Google).

For me, it is just a curio, I don't have any interest on it. I'm not interested in arguing which is better, iOS or Android. I don't care, it
is an absurd thing. Each one has his preferences.

The OP asked for a method to access restricted videos without needing to
create a login and the answer came back that all the operating systems
(except iOS) have both a rather useful GUI and a powerful CLI that does it
- plus, as a bonus, all the operating systems (except iOS) automatically eliminate Google-inserted advertisements, plus, as yet an additional bonus,
all the operating systems' suggested GUI (except iOS) subvert geolocation.

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In article <u79so0$hq8u$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Given that Google likely dislikes what NewPipe and ClipGrab easily do (as they charge people for those privileges), the very existence of both of
them exemplifies what fundamentally makes all the operating systems (except iOS) have thousands upon thousands (upon thousands!) of rather useful functionality that Apple's locked walled-garden iOS will never have.

newpipe is open source, which means it can be ported to ios. apple
doesn't block anyone from doing so (nor can they).

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In article <u79ur8$i2vj$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

newpipe is open source, which means it can be ported to ios. apple
doesn't block anyone from doing so (nor can they).

This is what's so weird about you (clearly ignorant) Apple nutjobs.

you're talking about yourself again.

You don't even realize Apple alone decides what goes into their App Store.

you don't even realize that google alone decides what goes into their
play store, and they have *blocked* newpipe.

but you ignore that since you're ignorant (your words).

While Google & Microsoft and RedHat also decide what goes into their repositories, none of them restrict the user's installation repo choices.

nor does apple.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

newpipe is open source, which means it can be ported to ios. apple
doesn't block anyone from doing so (nor can they).

This is what's so weird about you (clearly ignorant) Apple nutjobs.
You don't even realize Apple alone decides what goes into their App Store.

While Google & Microsoft and RedHat also decide what goes into their repositories, none of them restrict the user's installation repo choices.

The only system even close to iOS is Chrome - which is an iOS carbon copy.

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On 25.06.23 20:16, Peter wrote:

First, you Apple nutjobs blame Tor for Apple's own WebKit not having any privacy nor security, and now you Apple nutjobs prove you're not even aware that you can load software from anywhere on all systems (except on iOS).

It's obvious that none of you Apple nutjobs have ever even heard of Webkit.

If they're blaming Tor because Apple's webkit has no privacy or security,
then nobody can reason with them because they don't know about anything.

They're oddball religious cultists in every negative sense of the word.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You don't even realize Apple alone decides what goes into their App Store.

you don't even realize that google alone decides what goes into their
play store, and they have *blocked* newpipe.

Idiot. Google didn't block anything. You're a nutjob. An ignorant one.

How many idiot excuses are you going to have to make up for lack of iOS functionality which is due to one cause and one cause only? Walled garden.

First, you Apple nutjobs blame Tor for Apple's own WebKit not having any privacy nor security, and now you Apple nutjobs prove you're not even aware that you can load software from anywhere on all systems (except on iOS).

It's obvious that none of you Apple nutjobs have ever even heard of Webkit.

WebKit is an iOS walled-garden component which makes privacy & security impossible - not only because WebKit doesn't allow any privacy but also
because WebKit is the source of more than half of all iOS zero-day holes.

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On 2023-06-25 12:16, Peter wrote:

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You don't even realize Apple alone decides what goes into their App Store. >>

you don't even realize that google alone decides what goes into their
play store, and they have *blocked* newpipe.

Idiot. Google didn't block anything. You're a nutjob. An ignorant one.

Why must you mangle what someone said, Arlen?

How many idiot excuses are you going to have to make up for lack of iOS functionality which is due to one cause and one cause only? Walled garden.

First, you Apple nutjobs blame Tor for Apple's own WebKit not having any privacy nor security, and now you Apple nutjobs prove you're not even aware that you can load software from anywhere on all systems (except on iOS).

Unproven claims, Arlen.

It's obvious that none of you Apple nutjobs have ever even heard of Webkit.

WebKit is an iOS walled-garden component which makes privacy & security impossible - not only because WebKit doesn't allow any privacy but also because WebKit is the source of more than half of all iOS zero-day holes.

More unproven claims.

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In article <u7a3pe$ioi7$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

You don't even realize Apple alone decides what goes into their App Store.

you don't even realize that google alone decides what goes into their
play store, and they have *blocked* newpipe.

Idiot. Google didn't block anything. You're a nutjob. An ignorant one.

then explain why newpipe is *not* on the play store.

who blocked it, if not google?

maybe apple hacked into google's servers and removed it. yea, that must
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In article <u7a5s6$j17d$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

Idiot. Google didn't block anything. You're a nutjob. An ignorant one.

then explain why newpipe is *not* on the play store.

who blocked it, if not google?

maybe apple hacked into google's servers and removed it. yea, that must
be it.

You really don't know that you can install apps from outside Google Play.

nobody said otherwise, liar.

but at least you finally admit that google does not allow newpipe on
the play store, thereby forcing people to go outside it.

ios users can do the same thing.

as i said, newpipe is open source. once you figure out how to compile
sample code, you could start porting it to ios and then you'll have an
ios version.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Idiot. Google didn't block anything. You're a nutjob. An ignorant one.

then explain why newpipe is *not* on the play store.

who blocked it, if not google?

maybe apple hacked into google's servers and removed it. yea, that must
be it.

You really don't know that you can install apps from outside Google Play.

Not only are you an Apple nutjob - but that you don't know that you can
install apps from outside the Google Play Store means you're an idiot.

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In article <u7an6j$l45o$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

In China, the Google Play store is not even available. That's about 745 million Android users, based on current market share numbers, that get
their applications from other app stores.

745 million android users (your numbers) who are prevented from using a significant number of apps, ones which are only available in the play
store. that's not an advantage.

fortunately, apple doesn't have that limitation.

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On 6/25/2023 12:52 PM, Peter wrote:

<snip>

You really don't know that you can install apps from outside Google Play.

Not only are you an Apple nutjob - but that you don't know that you can install apps from outside the Google Play Store means you're an idiot.

In China, the Google Play store is not even available. That's about 745
million Android users, based on current market share numbers, that get
their applications from other app stores.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

but at least you finally admit that google does not allow newpipe on
the play store, thereby forcing people to go outside it.

FORCING PEOPLE? FORCING PEOPLE???????

Downloading an app installer on any operating system is a normal thing on
all operating systems (except on iOS). It's a simple click or two.

You exogenically indoctrinated Apple posters sure are strange nutters.

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In article <u7aq5l$le8n$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

but at least you finally admit that google does not allow newpipe on
the play store, thereby forcing people to go outside it.

FORCING PEOPLE? FORCING PEOPLE???????

where's newpipe on the play store? oh right, it's *not* *there*.

Downloading an app installer on any operating system is a normal thing on
all operating systems (except on iOS). It's a simple click or two.

downloading apps on ios is a simple *tap* or two (there aren't any
clicks on touch-based devices).

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sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

You really don't know that you can install apps from outside Google Play.

Not only are you an Apple nutjob - but that you don't know that you can
install apps from outside the Google Play Store means you're an idiot.

In China, the Google Play store is not even available. That's about 745 million Android users, based on current market share numbers, that get
their applications from other app stores.

Unlike the (ignorant) Apple nutters, you seem to understand this stuff so
that you likely know that there probably isn't an app on the Google Play
Store worth having that doesn't have many other APK mirrors to get it from.

Can't those 745 million Chinese Android owners use those many APK mirrors?

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In article <u7aqo3$lga0$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

You really believe that you can't get all the app APKs that are on the
Google Play Store without using the Google Play Store app to get them?

yep. not all apps are in alternative app stores.

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In article <u7ar10$p5vi$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

For example, NetGuard's own README says that the Google Play Store variant
is not as capable as the variant that you can get from them or on GitHub.

goalpost movement detected.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

but at least you finally admit that google does not allow newpipe on
the play store, thereby forcing people to go outside it.

FORCING PEOPLE? FORCING PEOPLE???????

where's newpipe on the play store? oh right, it's *not* *there*.

You're a nutcase if you think installing an app is FORCING people
(especially when _every_ system _except iOS_ does it that way!).

There are plenty of cases where the app that is on the Google Play Store is deprecated by its own developers over the same app from their own web site.

For example, NetGuard's own README says that the Google Play Store variant
is not as capable as the variant that you can get from them or on GitHub.

That you believe downloading a more capable app outside the app store is FORCING PEOPLE! makes it clear that you Apple posters are ignorant nutjobs.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

745 million android users (your numbers) who are prevented from using a significant number of apps, ones which are only available in the play
store. that's not an advantage.

fortunately, apple doesn't have that limitation.

You really believe that you can't get all the app APKs that are on the
Google Play Store without using the Google Play Store app to get them?

Every statement from you exogenic Apple nutcases reeks your ignorance.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

You really believe that you can't get all the app APKs that are on the
Google Play Store without using the Google Play Store app to get them?

yep. not all apps are in alternative app stores.

Point to a single app APK on the Google Play store not in the APK mirrors.

That you Apple nutcases can't do that means you are just making up excuses
for why every operating system installs apps from anywhere people want.

Except iOS.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

For example, NetGuard's own README says that the Google Play Store variant >> is not as capable as the variant that you can get from them or on GitHub.

goalpost movement detected.

What you ignorant Apple nutjobs do is complain and whine and moan and cry
that you can't install anything on iOS that every other system can do.

Then when it's shown that you nutjobs are ignorant of everything you speak
of, you then complain & moan and cry like a baby that you're proven wrong.

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