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Using windows-10 Pro, fully updated except today's update.

What does it mean when AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU. (So
that it's 100% in use total.) This went on for 5 minutes. Now it's 10
minutes later and it's still 43%. I'm using AVG Free,

I haven't dl'd any new files. All I tried to do was play a video which
it was able to start yesterday but today it says it can't be reached.

Only 51% of my 32gigs of memory is in use, 2% disk.

I can't start AVG's interface to look at it, so I'm restarting the
computer. Interupted that in the middle and now it's up to 99.1% of
the cpu. and Memory usage is 19%, but I still can't start the AVG
interface, well it took a long time. It's not running a scan. It was
updated 2 minutes ago, but could that use 8(% of the cpu for 5 minutes?


AVG also says I'm offline even though I have the image of the monitor
in my systray and it says there, Network: Intenet access. And when I
click on the icon it says Network Connected. Can AVG be offline while
the rest of the computer is online?

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 6/13/2023 4:13 PM, micky wrote:

Using windows-10 Pro, fully updated except today's update.

What does it mean when AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU. (So
that it's 100% in use total.) This went on for 5 minutes. Now it's 10 minutes later and it's still 43%. I'm using AVG Free,

I haven't dl'd any new files. All I tried to do was play a video which
it was able to start yesterday but today it says it can't be reached.

Only 51% of my 32gigs of memory is in use, 2% disk.

I can't start AVG's interface to look at it, so I'm restarting the
computer. Interupted that in the middle and now it's up to 99.1% of
the cpu. and Memory usage is 19%, but I still can't start the AVG
interface, well it took a long time. It's not running a scan. It was
updated 2 minutes ago, but could that use 8(% of the cpu for 5 minutes?

AVG also says I'm offline even though I have the image of the monitor
in my systray and it says there, Network: Intenet access. And when I
click on the icon it says Network Connected. Can AVG be offline while
the rest of the computer is online?

Firewall status ?

AVG could have its own Firewall, Windows Firewall could be used,
if the firewall does not start properly, it is possible that
you would have no functional networking.

To use all the cores on a CPU, to the tune of 80-90%, is more
than a little unusual. An AV should definitely be multi-threaded,
because it needs to be able to do various flavors of customs
scans (one file, one installer, one attachment, an entire email box)
in parallel.

Today is Patch Tuesday - my fan spooled up at boot time, which was
the squirrels in my computer, checking for patches from Home Base,
and installing. A reboot later, all done.

Win11 Home 2023-06 Cumulative KB5027231 successfully installed Tues Jun13,2023

Remember that exploit patching is multi-staged. First AVG does
a temporary patch (bandaid). Next, Patch Tuesday patch (some months later) brings in a proper patch. AVG detects the proper patch is in, it
removes its temporary workaround.

Since Task Manager no longer logs all compute activity, and even
things such as Memory Compressor require an extraordinary effort to
see (need Resource Monitor to see it!), you can no longer rely
on Task Manager for anything critical. The Black Hats must love
this design. This is why I rely on trusty indicators, the cooling
fan speeding up, the Kill-O-Watt power meter on the cord, and that
sort of thing, at least warns me that something abnormal is present.

And AV software, you really don't know what it is doing, or how
sick it is feeling.

Windows Defender, many times I open the window for it,
and the window is blank, and it stays blank for at least a couple minutes before I close it again. This does not inspire confidence in defensive capability. It's not out of CPU. It's not out of resources. There
is a boatload of RAM for the squirrels in the computer to munch on.

I just checked, and my Tamper Protection is OFF. Now, what squirrel
did that ? Grrr.

I close the window. I open the window. Now, Tamper Protection is ON.
Did I hear snickering ? I'm gonna come in there and...

Paul

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micky wrote:

AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU.

Just uninstall AVG and use MS Defender instead?

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micky wrote:

Subject : AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU

I dropped AVG ages ago, the CPU usage was beyond the limit, and
switched to MS Defender as already suggested Andy Burns

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 11:55:12 +0200, Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it>
wrote:

micky wrote:

Subject : AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU

I dropped AVG ages ago, the CPU usage was beyond the limit, and
switched to MS Defender as already suggested Andy Burns

+1 for Win Defender. Been using it for years. Never had any issues and
it stepped in on the one occasion when I realised that I'd clicked on
something that I shouldn't have clicked on.

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In article <6anj8ih0i1puse44nqk09f21nj16lop1ie@4ax.com>, peter@parksidewood.nospam says...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 11:55:12 +0200, Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it>
wrote:

micky wrote:

Subject : AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU

I dropped AVG ages ago, the CPU usage was beyond the limit, and
switched to MS Defender as already suggested Andy Burns

+1 for Win Defender. Been using it for years. Never had any issues and
it stepped in on the one occasion when I realised that I'd clicked on something that I shouldn't have clicked on.

+1
Spent a lot of momey on F-Secure, recommended by Virgin Media, but
totally unnecessary.

--
Jim the Geordie

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Jim the Geordie wrote:

In article <6anj8ih0i1puse44nqk09f21nj16lop1ie@4ax.com>, peter@parksidewood.nospam says...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 11:55:12 +0200, Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it>
wrote:

micky wrote:

Subject : AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU

I dropped AVG ages ago, the CPU usage was beyond the limit, and
switched to MS Defender as already suggested Andy Burns

+1 for Win Defender. Been using it for years. Never had any issues and
it stepped in on the one occasion when I realised that I'd clicked on
something that I shouldn't have clicked on.

+1
Spent a lot of momey on F-Secure, recommended by Virgin Media, but
totally unnecessary.

+1
Defender with Windows Firewall works a treat here. Not just that it's unobtrusive and far from a resource-hog; it gets daily updates from MS,
has a good GUI and has caught an occasional piece of malware at entry-point.

Ed

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 07:34:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU.

Just uninstall AVG and use MS Defender instead?

+1

And/or Malwarebytes.

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Shikata ga nai...

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Peter Johnson presented the following explanation :

Win Defender. Been using it for years. Never had any issues

yes, just remember him that Nirsoft tools are NOT harmful ;)

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On 6/15/2023 3:22 AM, Ammammata wrote:

Peter Johnson presented the following explanation :

Win Defender. Been using it for years. Never had any issues

yes, just remember him that Nirsoft tools are NOT harmful ;)

If you're referring to Windows Defender "responding" to
ProduKey and calling it "hackerware" or something, yes,
the entire episode is odious.

And the reason it is odious, is not only does Windows Defender
quarantine or ask you what to do, but it will not leave the
fucking thing alone. Windows Defender then "goes on high alert"
and makes a nuisance of itself. It can take FOREVER to return
the state of your defenses again to "nominal". Like, even a
Repair Install might not be enough. Presumably, it uses the
MSA to "track that you had the nerve to use ProduKey".

What this experience taught me, is I hope Windows Defender
never runs into actual malware :-/ The machine will probably
catch fire :-)

ProduKey reads license keys from the Registry. The algorithm
for doing this, was posted by a couple people in the WinXP group
a couple decades ago. Even a beginner at Clanguage, could compile this
and have it running in ten minutes for themselves. It's not
exactly "rocket science", and the response of Microsoft
in this case, is absolutely absurd.

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:13:36 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 6/13/2023 4:13 PM, micky wrote:

Using windows-10 Pro, fully updated except today's update.

What does it mean when AVG Service is using 80 to 89% of my CPU. (So
that it's 100% in use total.) This went on for 5 minutes. Now it's 10
minutes later and it's still 43%. I'm using AVG Free,

I haven't dl'd any new files. All I tried to do was play a video which
it was able to start yesterday but today it says it can't be reached.

Only 51% of my 32gigs of memory is in use, 2% disk.

I can't start AVG's interface to look at it, so I'm restarting the
computer. Interupted that in the middle and now it's up to 99.1% of
the cpu. and Memory usage is 19%, but I still can't start the AVG
interface, well it took a long time. It's not running a scan. It was
updated 2 minutes ago, but could that use 8(% of the cpu for 5 minutes?


AVG also says I'm offline even though I have the image of the monitor
in my systray and it says there, Network: Intenet access. And when I
click on the icon it says Network Connected. Can AVG be offline while
the rest of the computer is online?

Firewall status ?

AVG could have its own Firewall, Windows Firewall could be used,
if the firewall does not start properly, it is possible that
you would have no functional networking.

To use all the cores on a CPU, to the tune of 80-90%, is more
than a little unusual. An AV should definitely be multi-threaded,
because it needs to be able to do various flavors of customs
scans (one file, one installer, one attachment, an entire email box)
in parallel.

Today is Patch Tuesday - my fan spooled up at boot time, which was
the squirrels in my computer, checking for patches from Home Base,
and installing. A reboot later, all done.

Win11 Home 2023-06 Cumulative KB5027231 successfully installed Tues Jun13,2023

Remember that exploit patching is multi-staged. First AVG does
a temporary patch (bandaid). Next, Patch Tuesday patch (some months later) >brings in a proper patch. AVG detects the proper patch is in, it
removes its temporary workaround.

Since Task Manager no longer logs all compute activity, and even
things such as Memory Compressor require an extraordinary effort to
see (need Resource Monitor to see it!), you can no longer rely
on Task Manager for anything critical. The Black Hats must love
this design. This is why I rely on trusty indicators, the cooling
fan speeding up, the Kill-O-Watt power meter on the cord, and that
sort of thing, at least warns me that something abnormal is present.

And AV software, you really don't know what it is doing, or how
sick it is feeling.

Windows Defender, many times I open the window for it,
and the window is blank, and it stays blank for at least a couple minutes >before I close it again. This does not inspire confidence in defensive

Wow.

capability. It's not out of CPU. It's not out of resources. There
is a boatload of RAM for the squirrels in the computer to munch on.

I just checked, and my Tamper Protection is OFF. Now, what squirrel
did that ? Grrr.

I close the window. I open the window. Now, Tamper Protection is ON.
Did I hear snickering ? I'm gonna come in there and...

Paul

Thanks.

Well I restarted and now AVG is using 0.2 to 0.4% of the CPUS

I also see an indication in the bottom right of a message and it says to restarat to repair drive rrors. Fine but that's dated Sunday and this
is the first I knew about it. (It did do drive checking on restart) I
don't think this is why AVG was so high

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