Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

The name is very similar to this one, alt.comp.os.windows-11. You
should, I can only imagine, find it carried by e-s. I stopped using
that server, because of its sluggish performance, it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

--
Joel Crump

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I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

Ed

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On Mon, 29 May 2023 20:15:32 +0100
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

Joel wrote:

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've
found them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

The name is very similar to this one, alt.comp.os.windows-11. You
should, I can only imagine, find it carried by e-s. I stopped using
that server, because of its sluggish performance, it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

It doesn't appear on E-S.
I got it daily up until yesterday. I had aioe headlined, but that is
now defunct so it couldn't have come from there,
So where TF did it come from?

Ed

refresh the groups, and then type this in the search bar after the

asterisk alt.comp.os.windows-*

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Joel wrote:

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

The name is very similar to this one, alt.comp.os.windows-11. You
should, I can only imagine, find it carried by e-s. I stopped using
that server, because of its sluggish performance, it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

It doesn't appear on E-S.
I got it daily up until yesterday. I had aioe headlined, but that is now defunct so it couldn't have come from there,
So where TF did it come from?

Ed

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On 5/29/2023 3:15 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:

Joel wrote:

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found >>> them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

The name is very similar to this one, alt.comp.os.windows-11.  You
should, I can only imagine, find it carried by e-s.  I stopped using
that server, because of its sluggish performance, it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

It doesn't appear on E-S.
I got it daily up until yesterday. I had aioe headlined, but that is now defunct so it couldn't have come from there,
So where TF did it come from?

Ed

You are running the very latest release of Thunderbird, beta-country.
Portions have been rewritten recently, in Javascript. The original
code was written in something C-like.

The first file, is your subscription file. This file is short, and
only has your personal subscriptions. The numbers after that, keep
track of which messages are read. The server on the other hand, has
high water and low water marks. If the high water is the same as that
big number, then no messages are pulled. If the high water is greater,
then headers are download. The low water marks the epoch of the server,
and message bodies "scroll off" the server, so nothing less than about
message 170000 might be on the server. The server might have
170000 to 173925, and if so, the client will pull in 923,924,925.

$PROFILEFOLDER\News\news.eternal-september.org.rc
alt.comp.os.windows-10: 1-173922
alt.comp.os.windows-11: 1-9758

The master list from the server, is stored in hostinfo.dat .

4zqwo50y.default\News\news.eternal-september.org\hostinfo.dat

# News host information file.
# This is a generated file! Do not edit.

alt.comp.os.windows-10,,1,0,0
....
alt.comp.os.windows-11,,1,0,0 <=== currently, the very last line in the file

Paul

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Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found >>> them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

The name is very similar to this one, alt.comp.os.windows-11. You
should, I can only imagine, find it carried by e-s. I stopped using
that server, because of its sluggish performance, it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

It doesn't appear on E-S.
I got it daily up until yesterday. I had aioe headlined, but that is now >defunct so it couldn't have come from there,
So where TF did it come from?

I honestly don't understand this, because e-s really should have that
group. Could be a glitch with your client, Thunderbird, I guess, but
I don't see why. There just isn't a good reason the server would not
carry that group, though, it's an active text group, suited to e-s's
way of operating.

--
Joel Crump

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On 5/29/23 08:38, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

Ed

Hi Ed,

I am on Infernal November. The W11 group is.

alt.comp.os.windows-11

Posted a few days ago to it.

A couple of weeks ago I noticed that a lot of E-S
group had disappeared from E-S's index, such as
Firefox and android. But they are back now.

-T

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Ed Cryer wrote:

It doesn't appear on E-S.

Ohhh yes it does, it's behind you, etc ... refresh TB's group list

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On 5/29/2023 9:38 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly,
there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS and
the newsgroup very similar.

That prior conversation was because someone (a newsgroup purist I
suppose) complained that 11 questions and discussion didn't belong in
this 10 group. The responses were that many servers didn't carry the 11
group and that there were perfectly valid technical exchanges here that
applied to both OS and possible transitions.

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.
--
Jeff Barnett

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On 5/29/23 16:40, this is what Jeff Barnett wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:38 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly, there were claims that E-S did not carry such a
group because of the overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS and the newsgroup very similar.

That prior conversation was because someone (a newsgroup purist I suppose) complained that 11 questions and discussion
didn't belong in this 10 group. The responses were that many servers didn't carry the 11 group and that there were
perfectly valid technical exchanges here that applied to both OS and possible transitions.

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

I'm using ES and both of the Windows-10 and Windows-11 groups are there. Been using them since it got created a
longgggg time ago.
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

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On Mon, 29 May 2023 14:40:07 -0600, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Jeff
Barnett wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:38 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly,
there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the >overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS and
the newsgroup very similar.

That prior conversation was because someone (a newsgroup purist I
suppose) complained that 11 questions and discussion didn't belong in
this 10 group. The responses were that many servers didn't carry the 11
group and that there were perfectly valid technical exchanges here that >applied to both OS and possible transitions.

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

I'm an E-S subscriber, and just checked this by reloading the entire
newsgroup directory. It's there, for sure. I can subscribe, pull, and
post. I pulled posts today, in fact.

Something very weird is going on. Maybe it's a bug in Thunderbird? I use
Forte Agent still.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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On Mon, 29 May 2023 16:46:53 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 14:40:07 -0600, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Jeff
Barnett wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:38 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found >>> them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly, >>there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the >>overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS and
the newsgroup very similar.

That prior conversation was because someone (a newsgroup purist I
suppose) complained that 11 questions and discussion didn't belong in
this 10 group. The responses were that many servers didn't carry the 11 >>group and that there were perfectly valid technical exchanges here that >>applied to both OS and possible transitions.

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

I'm an E-S subscriber, and just checked this by reloading the entire >newsgroup directory. It's there, for sure. I can subscribe, pull, and
post. I pulled posts today, in fact.

Something very weird is going on. Maybe it's a bug in Thunderbird? I use >Forte Agent still.

To double check, I went into my data and blew away the entire newsgroup directory. I confirmed that it was gone in Agent. I reloaded it, it shows
up on E-S. Something odd is happening.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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On 5/29/2023 4:54 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 16:46:53 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I'm an E-S subscriber, and just checked this by reloading the entire
newsgroup directory. It's there, for sure. I can subscribe, pull, and
post. I pulled posts today, in fact.

Something very weird is going on. Maybe it's a bug in Thunderbird? I use
Forte Agent still.

To double check, I went into my data and blew away the entire newsgroup directory. I confirmed that it was gone in Agent. I reloaded it, it shows
up on E-S. Something odd is happening.

And now I'm posting this straight up from Thunderbird after having
pulled the directory from Eternal September. I'm guessing PEBKAC here.

Reinitialize your news configuration. It's busted.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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On 5/29/2023 4:38 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

On 5/29/2023 4:54 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 16:46:53 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I'm an E-S subscriber, and just checked this by reloading the entire
newsgroup directory. It's there, for sure. I can subscribe, pull, and
post. I pulled posts today, in fact.

Something very weird is going on. Maybe it's a bug in Thunderbird? I use >>> Forte Agent still.

To double check, I went into my data and blew away the entire newsgroup
directory. I confirmed that it was gone in Agent. I reloaded it, it shows
up on E-S. Something odd is happening.

And now I'm posting this straight up from Thunderbird after having
pulled the directory from Eternal September. I'm guessing PEBKAC here.

Reinitialize your news configuration. It's busted.

Refreshing in the subscribe window allowed me to find it. I would have
thought that TB did that automatically on some schedule and manual
refresh was to catch a new group that was still in its infancy!
--
Jeff Barnett

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On 5/29/23 19:21, this is what Jeff Barnett wrote:

On 5/29/2023 4:38 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

On 5/29/2023 4:54 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 16:46:53 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I'm an E-S subscriber, and just checked this by reloading the entire
newsgroup directory. It's there, for sure. I can subscribe, pull, and
post. I pulled posts today, in fact.

Something very weird is going on. Maybe it's a bug in Thunderbird? I use >>>> Forte Agent still.

To double check, I went into my data and blew away the entire newsgroup
directory. I confirmed that it was gone in Agent. I reloaded it, it shows >>> up on E-S. Something odd is happening.

And now I'm posting this straight up from Thunderbird after having pulled the directory from Eternal September. I'm
guessing PEBKAC here.

Reinitialize your news configuration. It's busted.

Refreshing in the subscribe window allowed me to find it. I would have thought that TB did that automatically on some
schedule and manual refresh was to catch a new group that was still in its infancy!

Heck no. I've been running E-S in TB for too many years but May 6 I install (clean) Mint 21.1.

So with an old profile and a new TB I checked for a new group for openoffice. Found one, subscribe, and when I click
on it to download the headers I got an error that it was not valid.

I went back into the E-S and search of openoffice again and saw like 10 groups, refreshed an there were only 7. So
after all this time it never did a refresh on it's own.
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

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On 5/29/2023 4:40 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:38 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly, there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS and the newsgroup very similar.

That prior conversation was because someone (a newsgroup purist I suppose) complained that 11 questions and discussion didn't belong in this 10 group. The responses were that many servers didn't carry the 11 group and that there were perfectly valid

technical exchanges here that applied to both OS and possible transitions.

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

Thunderbird/102.11.1 <=== your newly-rewritten USENET client

*******

This is the info from my Thunderbird 68 or so.

$PROFILEFOLDER\News\news.eternal-september.org.rc
alt.comp.os.windows-10: 1-173922 \___ Examples of subscribed groups
alt.comp.os.windows-11: 1-9758 /

The master list from the server, is stored in hostinfo.dat .

$PROFILEFOLDER\News\news.eternal-september.org\hostinfo.dat

# News host information file. # This file contains a list of all newsgroups.
# This is a generated file! Do not edit. # It's the spool on E-S in this example.

alt.comp.os.windows-10,,1,0,0
....
alt.comp.os.windows-11,,1,0,0 <=== currently, the very last line in the file.
The position of this line in the spool, may
be responsible for the bug.

Paul

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Jeff Barnett wrote:

Refreshing in the subscribe window allowed me to find it. I would have thought that TB did that automatically

No, manual refresh has always been required by TB.

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Jeff Barnett wrote:

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly,
there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS and
the newsgroup very similar.

I think you're confusing the alt.comp.os.windows* groups with the microsoft.public* groups?

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

They definitely do.

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On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:43:18 -0400, Joel wrote:

it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

Unless you need binary newsgroups, I think at $36 a
year you're overpaying.

News.indiviual.net is 10 euros a year, around $1 a
month.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On Mon, 29 May 2023 14:40:07 -0600, Jeff Barnett wrote:

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

Eternal-September does carry alt.comp.os.windows-11.

For solid evidence, here is a link to a post from an E-S user to alt.comp.os.windows-11, posted only a day ago. <http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=168542551000>

If I remember correctly,
there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it.

That referred only to the microsoft.* groups [1][2].

[1]
<https://www.eternal-september.org/>, and look at the top item in
the right-hand column, beginning "2023-02-03 11:18:29 microsoft.*
hierarchy removed

[2]
<http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167535274300>


--
Kind regards
Ralph

ζητεῖτε καὶ εὑρήσετε

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Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've found
them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

Ed

I got it back again.
Thanks for the help and support.

Ed

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Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

Unless you need binary newsgroups, I think at $36 a
year you're overpaying.

News.indiviual.net is 10 euros a year, around $1 a
month.

Admittedly, I don't use binaries anymore, but nevertheless, it'd be a
waste of time for me to switch servers.

--
Joel Crump

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On Tue, 30 May 2023 00:09:36 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:43:18 -0400, Joel wrote:

it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

Unless you need binary newsgroups, I think at $36 a
year you're overpaying.

News.indiviual.net is 10 euros a year, around $1 a
month.

Aside from binaries, another good reason is retention. For example,
if one sometimes needs to retrieve an article say 12 years old.


--
Regards
Ralph Fox

“𝘛𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘢 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴𝘤𝘢𝘱𝘦, 𝘢 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘨𝘪𝘳𝘭 𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯
𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘦𝘢𝘮𝘴 𝘶𝘱 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘦𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭
𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯.” -- 𝗧𝗩 𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗳𝗼𝗿 “𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙒𝙞𝙯𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙊𝙯” 𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻 𝗖𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝘆 𝗻𝗲𝘄𝘀𝗽𝗮𝗽𝗲𝗿.

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On Tue, 30 May 2023 00:09:36 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:43:18 -0400, Joel wrote:

it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

Unless you need binary newsgroups, I think at $36 a
year you're overpaying.

News.indiviual.net is 10 euros a year, around $1 a
month.

Here's another recommendation for News.individual.net.

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In message <bb0c7i5d6ek01rjf3ii46v73iss4v8jnrc@4ax.com>, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> writes

On Tue, 30 May 2023 00:09:36 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:43:18 -0400, Joel wrote:

it's cheap to get
access with the resold Easynews from Forte, I pay about $3 a month.

Unless you need binary newsgroups, I think at $36 a
year you're overpaying.

News.indiviual.net is 10 euros a year, around $1 a
month.

Here's another recommendation for News.individual.net.

And another. It's highly reliable, and its spam filtering is excellent.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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John Hall wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Here's another recommendation for News.individual.net.

And another. It's highly reliable, and its spam filtering is excellent.

And another, but am I the only person to notice an increase in the
number of partial binary yEnc attachments not being blocked recently?

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On 30/05/2023 02:38, Paul wrote:

On 5/29/2023 4:40 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:38 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:

I had to re-setup my eternal-september groups on Thunderbird. I've
found them all except the Win-11 one.
Can somebody guide me in?

There were similar questions here awhile ago. If I remember correctly,
there were claims that E-S did not carry such a group because of the
overwhelming amount of SPAM infused into it. That would make the OS
and the newsgroup very similar.

That prior conversation was because someone (a newsgroup purist I
suppose) complained that 11 questions and discussion didn't belong in
this 10 group. The responses were that many servers didn't carry the
11 group and that there were perfectly valid technical exchanges here
that applied to both OS and possible transitions.

I'm an E-S subscriber and wish they would carry it.

Thunderbird/102.11.1  <=== your newly-rewritten USENET client

I'm using 102.11.2

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.11.2/releasenotes

BlockNews carries the group ....... and BN is "cheap as chips"!

https://blocknews.net/

HTH

--
David

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In message <kdmoc2Fcaj0U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> writes

John Hall wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Here's another recommendation for News.individual.net.

And another. It's highly reliable, and its spam filtering is
excellent.

And another, but am I the only person to notice an increase in the
number of partial binary yEnc attachments not being blocked recently?

I haven't seen any of those. Maybe they are limited to a subset of
groups none of which I take?
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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