Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add
the path to the stunnel executable to?

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On 5/22/23 10:28, this is what Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail, will execute at startup.
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

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On 5/22/2023 10:28 AM, Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add the path to the stunnel executable to?

If you go to a program files folder and right-click an EXE file in there,
the context menu will have a "Create Shortcut" option. This is a kind of softlink.
You can then drag and drop the shortcut, to another folder (make a copy). A shortcut
file, has a file extension of .lnk .

Examples of "interesting" target folders, are things like these.

shell:common startup <=== enter this in File Explorer bar, end up here, all users startup...

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

shell:startup <=== enter this in File Explorer bar, end up here, your user startup...

C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

You can see some mention of that, here.

https://www.marshallsoft.com/stunnel_manual.htm

Or here.

https://www.stunnel.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/stunnel-users@stunnel.org/thread/RM3KQXTWGFLGBIOYPH7ES3HM4VR5YEV3/

*******

There is some option to do this from Settings. But
when you look there, these are Metro Apps and not Win32 ones.
The OS may have a different way of staging these. Because of
course, everything about Metro Apps is non-standard. Stunnel
is unlikely to be a Metro App, as the developer apparently
is still in a WinXP era frame of mind. There is no particular
functional advantage to Metro Apps, and until win32 ones are
kicked to the curb, they're still the more flexible option.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-which-apps-run-automatically-at-startup-in-windows-9115d841-735e-488d-e749-9ba301d441e6

*******

While you can see examples of shortcut links to Metro Apps in

explorer.exe shell:AppsFolder

you might notice that if you do Properties on one of those Shortcuts,
you cannot edit it. Which limits how creative you can be. You can copy
a Metro App shortcut to the desktop, maybe even throw it into one of the Startup folders, but it's not quite as useful as doing that with a legacy
win32 application. Stunnel is a legacy win32 application, which also
happens to have a service option (a service being the equivalent of
a daemon on Linux). By editing a Shortcut file, you can do things
like add parameters to its command line when it runs in non-service mode.

I haven't tested any of this. Good luck.

Paul

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In message <u4fu5p$26j8f$1@dont-email.me>, Woozy Song
<suzyw0ng@outlook.com> writes

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html >https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

I thought that there was an option to select that right at the end of
the Stunnel installation process, but I could be imagining it.

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add >the path to the stunnel executable to?

I think it used to be possible to add a startup item through msconfig,
but when I looked there it told me to look in Task Manager. There I
found a list of programs that were loaded at startup, but there didn't
seem an obvious way to add another entry. However a quick web search on "startup folder" turned up this:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/add-an-app-to-run-automatically-at-startup-in-windows-10-150da165-dcd9-7230-517b-cf3c295d89dd
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel
But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Create a task in Task Scheduler, with a trigger of "at startup" and
whatever action you need to start your tunnel.

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel ...
But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

If you go to a program files folder and right-click an EXE file in
there, the context menu will have a "Create Shortcut" option. This is
a kind of softlink. You can then drag and drop the shortcut, to
another folder (make a copy). A shortcut file, has a file extension
of .lnk .

Examples of "interesting" target folders, are things like these.

shell:common startup <=== enter this in File Explorer bar, end up here, all users startup...

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

shell:startup <=== enter this in File Explorer bar, end up here, your user startup...

C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
...

Yep, there are many folder shortcuts using the shell operator, like:

shell:common startup Startup folder for all users
shell:startup Startup folder for Windows account under which
you are currently logged into.
shell:appsfolder Where shortcuts to apps are stored (handy when
you want to create shortcuts to apps by copying
these shortcuts). You cannot edit these because
they are registry defined shortcuts, not .lnk files.

and a slew more as noted at:

https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Run-Command&faq=4

Some are defined in the registry at:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders

You are not loading a shell when using the shell: operator. Those are
just pointers to folders, not commands as stated in the article.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel But where's the settings option to have it start at
boot time?

Create a task in Task Scheduler, with a trigger of "at startup" and
whatever action you need to start your tunnel.

Better to have the program load "at login". You cannot use them until
you login. You cannot get new-mail notifications until you login. You
cannot send e-mails until you login. Until you login, you can't do
anything on Windows except stare at the login screen.

Some folks configure Winows to automatically login; i.e., they don't
give a damn about security, so anyone that powers up their computer can
use it. They won't notice a difference between programs loaded at
startup and those loaded at login. Some folks use the default where
they must login before they get a Windows session. They may power their computer, and login later, or logout of their Windows session to leave
the computer at the login screen. While outside a Windows session,
what's the point of leaving an e-mail client running? Perhaps there is
a point of running an e-mail client as a service (which means no UI),
but the client was designed as a UI to the *user*. An e-mail server
running at startup and without a login does make sense: you don't need
to be logged in to have the mail server do its job.

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Big Al writes:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html
https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add >> the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail, will execute at startup.

Is it just me or is that just about the dumbest hierarchy possible?

(1) C:\users\name (this makes sense)
(2) AppData (but what the user wants to do has nothing to do with data)
(3) Roaming (and what does roaming even mean for this kind of user?)
(4) Microsoft (the app has nothing to do with Microsoft either)
(5) Windows (duh. What other operating system would the user be on here?)
(6) Start Menu (what does it have to do with any menu?)
(7) Programs/Startup (finally, something that makes sense)

Why couldn't they have called it C:\users\name\Programs\Startup ?

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On 5/22/2023 11:32 AM, Big Al wrote:

On 5/22/23 10:28, this is what Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html
https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can
just add
the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start
Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail,
will execute at startup.

In my experience, not if it requires administrator privileges.

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On Mon, 22 May 2023 19:59:35 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

On 5/22/2023 11:32 AM, Big Al wrote:

On 5/22/23 10:28, this is what Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html
https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can
just add
the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start
Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail,
will execute at startup.

In my experience, not if it requires administrator privileges.

administrator privileges is in the shortcut


KenW

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On 5/22/2023 8:38 PM, KenW wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2023 19:59:35 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

On 5/22/2023 11:32 AM, Big Al wrote:

On 5/22/23 10:28, this is what Woozy Song wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html
https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can
just add
the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start
Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail, >>> will execute at startup.

In my experience, not if it requires administrator privileges.

administrator privileges is in the shortcut

Do you have to hardcode the admin pwd in there with it, if you don't
boot as administrator?

KenW

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On Mon, 22 May 2023 21:13:32 -0400, Bill wrote:

On 5/22/2023 8:38 PM, KenW wrote:

[quoted text muted]

In my experience, not if it requires administrator privileges.

administrator privileges is in the shortcut

Do you have to hardcode the admin pwd in there with it, if you don't
boot as administrator?

Not if the account you're running under is an
administrator. Even in such accounts, programs normally
run without admin privileges.

If you can open an administrative command prompt https://brownmath.com/general/10tip.htm#CmdPromptAdmin
without entering a password, your account is an
administrator. But the fact that you must open an
administrative command prompt to perform certain
actions shows that the command prompt normally opens
without admin privileges. And it's the same for other
programs.

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable- administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

To be honest, I am not clear on the purpose of the
built-in Administrator account. In decades of Windows
use, I've never needed it.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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Stan Brown wrote:

[snip]

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

To be honest, I am not clear on the purpose of the
built-in Administrator account. In decades of Windows
use, I've never needed it.

I used to run a computer support business and I've seen several systems (perhaps 20, out of a couple of hundred clients) showing the following
message:

"The User Profile Service failed the logon."

Enabling the built-in Administrator account allowed me to fix this
problem. See:

<https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/8070/how-to-fix-a-windows-10-8-7-or-vista-corrupt-user-profile-the-user-profile-service>

Scroll down to the section headed:

"How to fix a Windows corrupt user profile on Windows 8 or 7: Registry edit"

I've never been able to identify why the problem occurred in the first
place.


--
Graham J

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In article <news:eg6vc2u38p99.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> says...

Better to have the program load "at login". You cannot use them until
you login. You cannot get new-mail notifications until you login. You cannot send e-mails until you login. Until you login, you can't do
anything on Windows except stare at the login screen.

Maybe the op can find a startup batch file which can have a line for each program he wants started up "at login" where that _one_ batch file is the
only program he needs to worry about inserting into Windows bootup
procedures.

The batch file would just be a list of commands but where would it go?
--
Jim S

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On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable- administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>


--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On Tue, 23 May 2023 15:41:45 -0000 (UTC), Jim S wrote:

Maybe the op can find a startup batch file which can have a line for each program he wants started up "at login" where that _one_ batch file is the only program he needs to worry about inserting into Windows bootup procedures.

The batch file would just be a list of commands but where would it go?

Doesn't matter where the batch file goes, but the OP needs to create
a shortcut and then move it to
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
(If memory serves, Windows won't let you create a shortcut directly
in the start menu or subfolders.)

The target of the shortcut should be "cmd /c " followed by the path
and name of the batch file (including the .bat suffix).

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On 2023-05-23 20:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

Arrives here broken (Thunderbird).

Notice the

] >>
] >

construct. Double angle one line, single the next.

This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

But that's what I did originally, and a PP complained that _that_
link was broken.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On 2023-05-24 04:46, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

But that's what I did originally, and a PP complained that _that_
link was broken.

Because it arrived broken. I don't know why.

It arrived as

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable- administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

two lines, and my Thunderbird doesn't detect it as a single URL.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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In article <MPG.3ed6a0d8956bea24990120@news.individual.net>, Stan Brown wrote...

... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.

Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?


--

Phil, London

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In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,

Philip Herlihy says...

... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.

Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?

Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
menu. I use it all the time.

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Big Al wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html
https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add >> the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail, will execute at startup.

Putting the shortcut created by stunnel into the startup folder starts
stunnel but it doesn't load the config file. Yet clicking the link does.

Any suggestions?

Right now, I still have to manually load the stunnel config file,
even as stunnel is starting up with the boot process now.

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VanguardLH wrote:

Better to have the program load "at login".

I would say that depends on the program ...

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On 5/24/2023 11:55 AM, Woozy Song wrote:

Big Al wrote:

Installed stunnel from https://www.stunnel.org/downloads.html
https://www.stunnel.org/downloads/stunnel-5.69-win64-installer.exe

But where's the settings option to have it start at boot time?

Is there a start-at-boot script that comes with windows that I can just add >>> the path to the stunnel executable to?

Find or create a shortcut for the program, maybe already on desktop.
Copy it to:
C:/Users/<name>/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs/Startup

Any program link you put in that folder, like I do for thunderbird mail, will execute at startup.

Putting the shortcut created by stunnel into the startup folder starts stunnel but it doesn't load the config file. Yet clicking the link does.

Any suggestions?

Right now, I still have to manually load the stunnel config file,
even as stunnel is starting up with the boot process now.

Shortcuts for Win32 programs, you can edit the "command line invocation"
in the shortcut, and pass parameters.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/C5rC2Jdb/shortcut-file.gif

In Google, look for an stunnel shortcut tutorial for Windows users...
The examples will include several shortcut files, each with
a different config file in the edited shortcut .lnk file.

https://www.marshallsoft.com/stunnel_manual.htm

When you pass a data file to a program, you need to
use an absolute path, or some way that the shortcut link
will be able to find the file. For example

"someprogram.exe" -config "C:\users\romane lettuce\Downloads\config.txt"

Since "Romane Lettuce" has a space character, the double quotes
around the whole thing, pass the entire lump of stuff as the filename.

Paul

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Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> SAID ...

Better to have the program load "at login". You cannot use them until
you login. You cannot get new-mail notifications until you login. You
cannot send e-mails until you login. Until you login, you can't do
anything on Windows except stare at the login screen.

Maybe the op can find a startup batch file which can have a line for each program he wants started up "at login" where that _one_ batch file is the only program he needs to worry about inserting into Windows bootup procedures.

The batch file would just be a list of commands but where would it go?

See Paul's first reply to the OP for where are the startup folders. Or
do as Andy suggested in creating a scheduled task. However, once you
know where to put a shortcut to the .bat file to run all those commands,
you also know where to put shortcuts to other programs, like those you
listed in the .bat file.

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In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken wrote...

In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,

Philip Herlihy says...

... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.

Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?

Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
menu. I use it all the time.

Got it - thanks!

--

Phil, London

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On Wed, 24 May 2023 13:05:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-05-24 04:46, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

But that's what I did originally, and a PP complained that _that_
link was broken.

Because it arrived broken. I don't know why.

It arrived as

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable- administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

two lines, and my Thunderbird doesn't detect it as a single URL.

So you are telling me to do something that you already know won't
work? It's not immediately apparent to me how that is helpful.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2023 13:05:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-05-24 04:46, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

But that's what I did originally, and a PP complained that _that_
link was broken.

Because it arrived broken. I don't know why.

It arrived as

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

two lines, and my Thunderbird doesn't detect it as a single URL.

So you are telling me to do something that you already know won't
work? It's not immediately apparent to me how that is helpful.

The line has a hard break in it (0x0d 0x0a) .
It makes me question what the purpose of <...> is, if
it won't glue the two bits together again.

The first question would be, does it look glued together
in Gravity ?

Thunderbird supports format-flowed, but I don't know if that
affects <...> parsing or not. The only reason I ask about
Gravity, is to see if the <...> notion is even known by it.

Thunderbird here, isn't joining the bits when it is a quoted chunk.
The >> <https makes no difference to it.

Changing your wrap setting would "fix" this, but it would not
change the fact that <...> isn't working. My wrap is set to 1000 or so.

Paul

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On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by
enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account- in-windows-10-5095293/>

Here's hoping...

Paul

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On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by
enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link
from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the
link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

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Regards
wasbit

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On 5/26/2023 6:20 AM, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by >>>>> enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)

    <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
in-windows-10-5095293/>

Here's hoping...

Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\ in-windows-10-5095293

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\ in-windows-10-5095293>

It's not that I've given up, but I am beginning to believe the
hard break (0x0d 0x0a) on the end of the first line, really kills
the chances of it working.

Just for chuckles, let's see if the continuation character works or not.
I have to make this long enough, to surpass a thousand.

012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789\
ABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJ\
abcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghij\
KLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRST\
klmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrst\
135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680\
ACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQS\
acegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqs\
012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789\
ABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJ\
abcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghij\
KLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRST\
klmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrst\
135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680\
ACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQS\
acegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqs\
012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789\
ABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJ\
abcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghij\
KLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRST\
klmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrst\
135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680\
ACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQS\
acegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqs\

Paul

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On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by >>>> enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)

   <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account- in-windows-10-5095293/>

Here's hoping...

   Paul

Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\ in-windows-10-5095293

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\ in-windows-10-5095293>

Paul

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In article <MPG.3ed949319f21a1e3989a69@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip Herlihy wrote...

In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken wrote...

In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,

Philip Herlihy says...

... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.

Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?

Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
menu. I use it all the time.

Got it - thanks!

I'm not much better off - it's always greyed out!

--

Phil, London

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On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:

On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

[quoted text muted]

So you are telling me to do something that you already know won't
work? It's not immediately apparent to me how that is helpful.

The line has a hard break in it (0x0d 0x0a) .
It makes me question what the purpose of <...> is, if
it won't glue the two bits together again.

The first question would be, does it look glued together
in Gravity ?

Nope. I'm surprised to hear that it's a hard break,
though. Apart from your suggestion of setting a very
long line length, I don't think there's anything I can
do about it.

And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
may or may not create problems when people read my
articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
when people post followups that contain quotes of what
I wrote.

Unless someone has a solution to this problem, let's
drop the subject and move on.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip Herlihy says...

[missing attribution to Stan Brown restored]

... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.

Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?

In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken wrote...

Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the menu. I use it all the time.

On Fri, 26 May 2023 12:40:41 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

I'm not much better off - it's always greyed out!

I didn't post an answer to your question, since someone else already
had. But I don't think that right-click Repair URL is available when
you just click on random body text. In my experience, anyway, it is
grayed out with random body text or even when I click into a link. I
need to highlight the link (on both lines), then right-click and
Repair URL.

Here are a couple you can practice on:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

...

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable- administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

In the second one, I found I could highlight the whole of the two
lines, or just the part between < and >, and either way Gravity was
smart enough to not include "> " quote indicators in the URL.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On 26/05/2023 11:20, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this,
achieved by
enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link
from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the
link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)

    <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
in-windows-10-5095293/>

Here's hoping...

    Paul

Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\ in-windows-10-5095293

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\ in-windows-10-5095293>

   Paul

FYI

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293/>

Copy & pasting between the angle brackets works. Right click & 'Open
link in browser' doesn't.
Pale Moon, Windows 8.1

The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

--
Regards
wasbit

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On 27/05/2023 09:19, wasbit wrote:

On 26/05/2023 11:20, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:

On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:

Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
be your normal login account, if you created it that
way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
"Administrator", which is disabled by default.

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:

The link was broken - it should be a single line like this,
achieved by
enclosing it in angle brackets

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
and broke it.

Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do >>>>> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
more news clients don't.

Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
preceding ">" character:

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293

and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link
from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the
link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-) >>>
    <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account- >>> in-windows-10-5095293/>

Here's hoping...

    Paul

Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
in-windows-10-5095293

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
in-windows-10-5095293>

    Paul

FYI

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-

in-windows-10-5095293/>

Copy & pasting between the angle brackets works. Right click & 'Open
link in browser' doesn't.
Pale Moon, Windows 8.1

The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

Edit: the second & third links go to Lifewire but 'Page not found'.

--
Regards
wasbit

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In article <MPG.3edadcf18dba42ab990126@news.individual.net>, Stan Brown wrote...

In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip Herlihy says...

[missing attribution to Stan Brown restored]

... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.

Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?

In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken wrote...

Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the menu. I use it all the time.

On Fri, 26 May 2023 12:40:41 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

I'm not much better off - it's always greyed out!

I didn't post an answer to your question, since someone else already
had. But I don't think that right-click Repair URL is available when
you just click on random body text. In my experience, anyway, it is
grayed out with random body text or even when I click into a link. I
need to highlight the link (on both lines), then right-click and
Repair URL.

Here are a couple you can practice on:

On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

...

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable- administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

In the second one, I found I could highlight the whole of the two
lines, or just the part between < and >, and either way Gravity was
smart enough to not include "> " quote indicators in the URL.

Thank you, Stan - now I know how to use it, it works a treat!

--

Phil, London

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On 2023-05-26 14:50, Stan Brown wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:

On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

[quoted text muted]

And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
may or may not create problems when people read my
articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
when people post followups that contain quotes of what
I wrote.

This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird.
See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by
each receiver, not the sender.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod
tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim
veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea
commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate
velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint
occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt
mollit anim id est laborum.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

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"wasbit" wrote in message news:u4sefb$bpcn$1@dont-email.me...

The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

Does this work? <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

...w

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On 5/27/2023 9:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-05-26 14:50, Stan Brown wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:

On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

[quoted text muted]

And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
may or may not create problems when people read my
articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
when people post followups that contain quotes of what
I wrote.

This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird. See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by each receiver, not the sender.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure

dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.



Only in Howard can you see how it was sent. It appears to be
wrapped for transmission, at 72. If I make my Thunderbird reading window 72 wide,
the message looks more or less like the Howard copy.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cohb9kjxdng.ln2%40Telcontar.valinor%3E

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mine are sent with the same directive. Mine "flow" in the reading window,
until the reading window is wide enough for the hard breaks to enforce formatting.
Which I do for ASCII-art reasons.

text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Whether you can do that in Gravity, it would depend on how
a Custom Header behaves (if you wanted to make your own Content-type).

http://underpop.online.fr/m/microplanet-gravity/help/posting_x-faces.html

Paul


Paul

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Paul,

[Carlos]

This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird.
See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by
each receiver, not the sender.

[snip]

Funny : Carlos mentions soft breaks but in his message I see hard breaks
(0x0D 0x0A), but than when you quote it here its all on a single line (no breaks at all).

Only in Howard can you see how it was sent.

You mean in the senders email client ? About that ... WYSINWYAS (what
you see is not what you are sending). At least, that happens with my email client - which has no problem allowing me to create an RTF message, only to convert it back to plain text just before sending it. Which irks me to no end.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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On 27/05/2023 16:38, ...winston wrote:

"wasbit"  wrote in message news:u4sefb$bpcn$1@dont-email.me...

The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

Does this work? <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

...w

Yep.

--
Regards
wasbit

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On 5/28/2023 3:15 AM, R.Wieser wrote:

Paul,

[Carlos]

This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird. >>> See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by >>> each receiver, not the sender.

[snip]

Funny : Carlos mentions soft breaks but in his message I see hard breaks (0x0D 0x0A), but than when you quote it here its all on a single line (no breaks at all).

Only in Howard can you see how it was sent.

You mean in the senders email client ? About that ... WYSINWYAS (what you see is not what you are sending). At least, that happens with my email client - which has no problem allowing me to create an RTF message, only to convert it back to plain text just before sending it. Which irks me to no end.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

You snipped bits of it, but fine, the diff I see is some materials are

<char> 0x0d 0x0a

and other material is

0x20 0x0d 0x0a

and the space *might* be part of helping the format-flowed. As Carlos
says, the format-flowed, flows on the receiver. What the respondent
tool does in a followup, who knows.

Is your

X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

the same as Tbird ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Dunno.

Paul

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Paul,

You snipped bits of it, but fine, the diff I see is some materials are

<char> 0x0d 0x0a

and other material is

0x20 0x0d 0x0a

and the space *might* be part of helping the format-flowed.

...
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

Carlos post doesn't mention the RFC, but reading it I came across this :

"Because a soft line break is a SP CRLF sequence"

IOW, according to that his does indeed contain such soft line breaks. It though seems that my newsgroup reader just takes them as hard breaks - even where there is enough space left right of it to put whole of the next line behind it.

X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

No idea. I only send plain text newsgroup messages and/or emails. Besides that, How am I supposed to check that ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Yes, I can see that in the headers of his message. It still doesn't "flow"
in my newsgroup reader.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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On 2023-05-27 20:47, Paul wrote:

On 5/27/2023 9:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-05-26 14:50, Stan Brown wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:

On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

[quoted text muted]

And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
may or may not create problems when people read my
articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
when people post followups that contain quotes of what
I wrote.

This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by
Thunderbird. See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped -
but wrapped by each receiver, not the sender.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Only in Howard can you see how it was sent.

I can :-D

If I'm fast enough. I just have to look in the appropriate directory of
my proxy server, at "/var/spool/news/out.going".

Or I can stop the cronjob in advance, then there is no time limit.


Otherwise, in the "sent" folder of Thunderbird, "/home/cer/.thunderbird/...../Mail/Local Folders/Sent-usenet"

66 66 69 63 69 61 20 64 65 73 65 72 75 6e 74 20 |fficia deserunt |
0d 0a 6d 6f 6c 6c 69 74 20 61 6e 69 6d 20 69 64 |..mollit anim id|
20 65 73 74 20 6c 61 62 6f 72 75 6d 2e 0d 0a 0d | est laborum....|
0a 0d 0a 2d 2d 20 0d 0a 43 68 65 65 72 73 2c 20 |...-- ..Cheers, |
43 61 72 6c 6f 73 2e 0d 0a 0d 0a 0a 46 72 6f 6d |Carlos......From|
20 2d 20 53 75 6e 2c 20 32 38 20 4d 61 79 20 32 | - Sun, 28 May 2|
30 32 33 20 31 30 3a 35 33 3a 31 38 20 47 4d 54 |023 10:53:18 GMT|

You can see that it has lines with 0A 0D in the middle of the paragraph.

How it knows not to render that new line, I don't remember.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 5/28/2023 4:44 AM, R.Wieser wrote:

Paul,

You snipped bits of it, but fine, the diff I see is some materials are

<char> 0x0d 0x0a

and other material is

0x20 0x0d 0x0a

and the space *might* be part of helping the format-flowed.

...
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

Carlos post doesn't mention the RFC, but reading it I came across this :

"Because a soft line break is a SP CRLF sequence"

IOW, according to that his does indeed contain such soft line breaks. It though seems that my newsgroup reader just takes them as hard breaks - even where there is enough space left right of it to put whole of the next line behind it.

X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

No idea. I only send plain text newsgroup messages and/or emails. Besides that, How am I supposed to check that ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Yes, I can see that in the headers of his message. It still doesn't "flow" in my newsgroup reader.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

That's because RFC2646 is a relatively recent standard. It was
written 24 years ago :-)

Which on USENET, is the "blink of an eye".

Microsoft is a bit like the kid who won't eat his Broccoli.
Once they've decided a "certain vegetable is on their list",
they won't touch it. And format=flowed ? That does not
sound like a "core technology" to me :-)

It only took them fifteen years to fix Notepad, which
for Microsoft is a "speed run". (That's the Win10 Notepad
by the way. The Win11 version is also a rewrite, and a bit
more messed up than the Win10 one. If you must use Notepad,
I recommend the Win10 one.)

Paul

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wasbit wrote:

On 27/05/2023 16:38, ...winston wrote:

"wasbit"  wrote in message news:u4sefb$bpcn$1@dont-email.me...

The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

Does this work?
<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>


...w

Yep.

Didn't look into why before sending.
- upon inspection after sending - the above was sent with Windows Live
Mail 2012 using Plain Text, MIME, no encoding(program setting for plain
text), Content encoding(7 bit, program option to allow 8 bit disabled in WLM12), wrap at 76 characters.
The message properties indicate text/plain, format=flowed, charset=utf-8

--
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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