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https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

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On 4/22/23 16:21, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

I smell a rat too. The OEI (OEM) I use to sell
before halting making custom computer was always
one computer (not transferable either) and ran
around $150.

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On Apr 22, 2023 at 4:21:16 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <jup84i9v33tbmpcjb3c5dimdsfmu4qdp7b@4ax.com>:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Seems pretty common:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Use+one+activation+key+for+up+to+3+devices%22

Given the sites I would guess it is legit... but do not know for sure.

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Seems pretty common:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Use+one+activation+key+for+up+to+3+devices%22

Given the sites I would guess it is legit... but do not know for sure.

You're right! This is clearly an opportunity, for people, to purchase
a license, for a low price.

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On Apr 22, 2023 at 5:27:16 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <8lu84i9ei16qkgapkhufjfdv6f60nesd0d@4ax.com>:

Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Seems pretty common:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Use+one+activation+key+for+up+to+3+devices%22

Given the sites I would guess it is legit... but do not know for sure.

You're right! This is clearly an opportunity, for people, to purchase
a license, for a low price.

With the number of commas you used I read that like Captain Kirk. LOL!

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Use+one+activation+key+for+up+to+3+devices%22

Given the sites I would guess it is legit... but do not know for sure.

You're right! This is clearly an opportunity, for people, to purchase
a license, for a low price.

With the number of commas you used I read that like Captain Kirk. LOL!

It does have that cadence, doesn't it! ;)

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On Apr 22, 2023 at 5:54:15 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <s5094ihptsg3msag2c5n8cronqrrnb30r5@4ax.com>:

Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Use+one+activation+key+for+up+to+3+devices%22

Given the sites I would guess it is legit... but do not know for sure.

You're right! This is clearly an opportunity, for people, to purchase
a license, for a low price.

With the number of commas you used I read that like Captain Kirk. LOL!

It does have that cadence, doesn't it! ;)

Yes, Joel, it does sound, like Kirk, when you read, it, out loud!

LOL!

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

You're right! This is clearly an opportunity, for people, to purchase >>>> a license, for a low price.

With the number of commas you used I read that like Captain Kirk. LOL!

It does have that cadence, doesn't it! ;)

Yes, Joel, it does sound, like Kirk, when you read, it, out loud!

LOL!

ROFL! Thanks for pointing that out, buddy. :)

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

I can just do a free upgrade over my old 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and 10 Pro retails. --
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On 23/04/2023 03:26, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

I can just do a free upgrade over my old 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and 10 Pro retails.

Will your old hardware accept you doing so?

The last time I looked (months ago!) I was notified that my Toshiba
laptop was too old for Windows 11.

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On 23/04/2023 08:22, David Brooks wrote:

<snip>

The last time I looked (months ago!) I was notified that my Toshiba
laptop was too old for Windows 11.

'Too old' officially but like most versions of Windows, can often be
installed on 'non compliant' hardware, with a tweak or two.

The reason it's often restricted like that is because it might not give
the user a 'good experience' (and so create bad feelings about the OS)
or that it might not allow for some increased security (like 'secure boot').

I have a couple of machines here running W11 and the only reason I try
to have at least one instance of the latests version is to be able to
help others. This also means I generally use the OS's as they come,
rather than say making Linux 'look like' Windows 10.

I still have OSX kicking about on a couple of machines but rarely have a
need for it (nothing I can't do on Windows for example). I also have
Linux on several, often dual boot with Windows 'because I can' and like
to play with Linux now and again, mostly to see how / if it's improving.

I did set Linux up as the primary OS for a couple of non-tekky mates and
they seem to be enjoying the benefits, even if they don't understand
why. This can be seen by the number of Windows programs I find in their download folder when helping them with maintenance (like 4 years worth
of updates). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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Joel wrote on 4/22/2023 4:21 PM:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

The web site name is interesting.
bleepingcomptuer.com is a highly respected, credible site.

deals.bleepingcompter.com may not be related to the above.

That doesn't mean entirely not legit.
Some might assume that the offer is OEM or compare it to OEM....but any computer technician who purchases or supports customers using Windows
would know its not OEM software

Anything with multi-licenses would fall under Volume licensing or Partner Reseller, both periodically entitle to liquidate/offload inventory at
reduced pricing but that typically occurs for prior version software
though in some cases those outfits may obtain permisson to liquidate if
going out of business or in bankruptcy.

Thus with anything cheap - suspicion is always warranted until proven otherwise.



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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

The web site name is interesting.
bleepingcomptuer.com is a highly respected, credible site.

deals.bleepingcompter.com may not be related to the above.

That doesn't mean entirely not legit.
Some might assume that the offer is OEM or compare it to OEM....but any >computer technician who purchases or supports customers using Windows
would know its not OEM software

Anything with multi-licenses would fall under Volume licensing or Partner >Reseller, both periodically entitle to liquidate/offload inventory at
reduced pricing but that typically occurs for prior version software
though in some cases those outfits may obtain permisson to liquidate if
going out of business or in bankruptcy.

Thus with anything cheap - suspicion is always warranted until proven >otherwise.

Interesting, you're suggesting that they aren't selling an individual
product key, like I paid $200, directly to Microsoft, for, but
instead, a volume license, they obtained - probably so, and yet, it
may make little difference, to the end user, given that once a box is activated, it can be activated again.

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Joel wrote on 4/23/2023 3:52 AM:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

The web site name is interesting.
bleepingcomptuer.com is a highly respected, credible site.

deals.bleepingcompter.com may not be related to the above.

That doesn't mean entirely not legit.
Some might assume that the offer is OEM or compare it to OEM....but any
computer technician who purchases or supports customers using Windows
would know its not OEM software

Anything with multi-licenses would fall under Volume licensing or Partner
Reseller, both periodically entitle to liquidate/offload inventory at
reduced pricing but that typically occurs for prior version software
though in some cases those outfits may obtain permisson to liquidate if
going out of business or in bankruptcy.

Thus with anything cheap - suspicion is always warranted until proven
otherwise.

Interesting, you're suggesting that they aren't selling an individual
product key, like I paid $200, directly to Microsoft, for, but
instead, a volume license, they obtained - probably so, and yet, it
may make little difference, to the end user, given that once a box is activated, it can be activated again.

Windows in the business(aka Enterprise) environment(not consumers like
you) has always been released/sold with single product key multiple
activation capability.

Even today, one can purchase a Visual Studio subscription with
multi-activation product keys including Win11/10 Education, Pro and
Enterprise editions. Visual Studio($$$$)subscription is not the same as
the Enterprise/Education business models/platforms - VS is retail but
falls within NFR guidelines and limited to testing, not for personal
use(again only testing) not-for-resale, or redistribution(even free)- but
once your have those VS product keys, they remain for testing purposes in perpetuity.



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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote on 4/23/2023 4:13 AM:

Joel wrote on 4/23/2023 3:52 AM:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

The web site name is interesting.
bleepingcomptuer.com is a highly respected, credible site.

deals.bleepingcompter.com may not be related to the above.

That doesn't mean entirely not legit.
Some might assume that the offer is OEM or compare it to OEM....but any
computer technician who purchases or supports customers using Windows
would know its not OEM software

Anything with multi-licenses would fall under Volume licensing or Partner >>> Reseller, both periodically entitle to liquidate/offload inventory at
reduced pricing but that typically occurs for prior version software
though in some cases those outfits may obtain permisson to liquidate if
going out of business or in bankruptcy.

Thus with anything cheap - suspicion is always warranted until proven
otherwise.

Interesting, you're suggesting that they aren't selling an individual
product key, like I paid $200, directly to Microsoft, for, but
instead, a volume license, they obtained - probably so, and yet, it
may make little difference, to the end user, given that once a box is
activated, it can be activated again.

Windows in the business(aka Enterprise) environment(not consumers like
you) has always been released/sold with single product key multiple activation capability.

Even today, one can purchase a Visual Studio subscription with multi-activation product keys including Win11/10 Education, Pro and Enterprise editions.  Visual Studio($$$$)subscription is not the same as
the Enterprise/Education business models/platforms - VS is retail but
falls within NFR guidelines and limited to testing, not for personal use(again only testing) not-for-resale, or redistribution(even free)- but once your have those VS product keys, they remain for testing purposes in perpetuity.

ps. Forget to mention.
If one navigates to the credible and legitimate https://wwww.bleepingcomputer.com web site, one can also see the 'Deals' category and one will find that Win11 offer :)

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 03:37:44 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

Joel wrote on 4/22/2023 4:21 PM:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

The web site name is interesting.
bleepingcomptuer.com is a highly respected, credible site.

deals.bleepingcompter.com may not be related to the above.

Are you sure about that?

Correcting your domain-name typos, deals.bleepingcomputer.com is a
subdomain of bleepingcomputer.com . Someone correct me if I'm wrong,
but when you own a domain x.y you also own all subdomains of x.y.

In theory, bleepingcomputer.com could lease
deals.bleepingcomputer.com to some bad actors, but I find it hard to
imagine that they would, and thus soil their excellent reputation.

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Shikata ga nai...

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Stan Brown wrote on 4/23/2023 9:38 AM:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 03:37:44 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

Joel wrote on 4/22/2023 4:21 PM:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

The web site name is interesting.
bleepingcomptuer.com is a highly respected, credible site.

deals.bleepingcompter.com may not be related to the above.

Are you sure about that?

Correcting your domain-name typos, deals.bleepingcomputer.com is a
subdomain of bleepingcomputer.com . Someone correct me if I'm wrong,
but when you own a domain x.y you also own all subdomains of x.y.

In theory, bleepingcomputer.com could lease
deals.bleepingcomputer.com to some bad actors, but I find it hard to
imagine that they would, and thus soil their excellent reputation.

Hi, Stan.
See my second reply to Joel.


ps. Forget to mention.
If one navigates to the credible and legitimate https://wwww.bleepingcomputer.com web site, one can also see the 'Deals' category and one will find that Win11 offer :)
</qp>

While the deal is present, it doesn't necessarily mean the offer is a
bleeping computer offer. The offer is from Digital Labs(whoever they may
be <g>)...even so that does not indicate it is not valid(lol and the
offer only has 2 days remaining).

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On 4/23/2023 3:22 AM, David Brooks wrote:

On 23/04/2023 03:26, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

I can just do a free upgrade over my old 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and 10 Pro retails.

Will your old hardware accept you doing so?

The last time I looked (months ago!) I was notified that my Toshiba
laptop was too old for Windows 11.

If it's a Pentium 4, then it really is too old :-)

You can bump it to W11 with a Rufus stick, but why
would you want to ?

I don't see the attraction.

It's like having Cadillac fins on a Chevy.

This is what happens when Corel Corporation designs an OS.

https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/104568022572561682/

Paul

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On 23/4/2023 3:22 pm, David Brooks wrote:

The last time I looked (months ago!) I was notified that my Toshiba
laptop was too old for Windows 11.

Because of TPM or slow CPU? You can disable those checks during
installaiton of Win 11! ;)

How to bypass TPM 2.0 check when installing Windows 11 in a virtual
machine | Windows Central <https://www.windowscentral.com/how-install-windows-11-virtual-machine-without-tpm-20>

How to Install Windows 11 without TPM / with Unsupported CPU - WinBuzzer <https://winbuzzer.com/2021/10/07/how-to-install-windows-11-without-tpm-2-xcxwbt/>

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David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @ 1.5GHz >Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2 OS build 19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac which
is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Hey, David, good to see you, buddy! What do you do, with your Toshiba
laptop, with Win10, out of curiosity?

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On 24/04/2023 15:35, Joel wrote:

David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @ 1.5GHz
Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2 OS build 19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac which
is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Hey, David, good to see you, buddy! What do you do, with your Toshiba laptop, with Win10, out of curiosity?

Hi Joel - I trust you are keeping well!

Nowadays, I do next to nothing with it! It used to be my main means of computing when I was onboard my narrowboat. I've used almost all
Microsoft operating systems since 3.1 and have tried to keep current so
that I could help my friends and neighbours with their Windows computer problems. As you know, I swiched my main allegience to Apple iMac back
in 2009 but few people I know use Macs.

Have you ever been "into" programming? Do you understand what Steve
Carroll and Apd chat about?

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On 23/04/2023 21:08, Paul wrote:

On 4/23/2023 3:22 AM, David Brooks wrote:

On 23/04/2023 03:26, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

I can just do a free upgrade over my old 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and 10 Pro
retails.

Will your old hardware accept you doing so?

The last time I looked (months ago!) I was notified that my Toshiba
laptop was too old for Windows 11.

If it's a Pentium 4, then it really is too old :-)

You can bump it to W11 with a Rufus stick, but why
would you want to ?

I don't see the attraction.

It's like having Cadillac fins on a Chevy.

This is what happens when Corel Corporation designs an OS.

https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/104568022572561682/

An outstanding Beetle, Paul! 🙂

=

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @ 1.5GHz Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2 OS build 19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac which
is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me!

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David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @ 1.5GHz >>> Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2 OS build 19044.1889

Hey, David, good to see you, buddy! What do you do, with your Toshiba
laptop, with Win10, out of curiosity?

Hi Joel - I trust you are keeping well!

Trying to, thanks.

Nowadays, I do next to nothing with it! It used to be my main means of >computing when I was onboard my narrowboat. I've used almost all
Microsoft operating systems since 3.1 and have tried to keep current so
that I could help my friends and neighbours with their Windows computer >problems. As you know, I swiched my main allegience to Apple iMac back
in 2009 but few people I know use Macs.

Interesting.

Have you ever been "into" programming? Do you understand what Steve
Carroll and Apd chat about?

I majored in computer science, in college, actually, yes. While my
career(s) turned out to be other thing(s), the comp sci skills were
quite useful, creating a unique collection of mIRC scripts, and having
insight into software development, generally. It also involved taking
higher math classes, which was invaluable to my intellectual
development.

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On 4/24/2023 10:29 AM, David Brooks wrote:

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @ 1.5GHz Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2   OS build  19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac which
is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me!

It's 6th generation Sandy Bridge from 2011.

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Mobile%20Celeron%20B800.html

It will run mostly in a Windows 10 like fashion. Any newer
features might well be turned off.

Microarchitecture Gen 6

Frequency 1.5 GHz
The number of CPU cores 2
The number of threads 2

VT-x / Virtualization technology
SSE4 / SSE4.1 + SSE4.2 / Streaming SIMD Extensions 4 ?
EM64T / Extended Memory 64 technology / Intel 64

DDR3-1333 [the first really decent RAM type, not all DDR2 was good]

Has a hard drive in it, 320GB or so, 5400 RPM.
I don't think there is a TPM for Secure Boot.

https://www.newegg.ca/toshiba-satellite-c650-01l/p/N82E16834214538CVF

But you're doing good, as it's got one more core than
my laptop has got :-) I keep an older version of Win10
on that, just for speed reasons.

Paul

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Paul wrote on 4/24/2023 8:53 AM:

It's 6th generation Sandy Bridge from 2011.

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Mobile%20Celeron%20B800.html

Quite old, low end RAM most likely an original Win7 device upgraded for
free to Win10(or 8.0/8.1 before 10)
Currently Running 21H2 which ceases support in June 2023. Device should
be updated to W10 22H2.
i.e. 21H2 no longer receive security updates after June 13, 2023.

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-21h2-end-of-servicing>


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On 4/24/2023 4:02 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 23/4/2023 3:22 pm, David Brooks wrote:

The last time I looked (months ago!) I was notified that my Toshiba
laptop was too old for Windows 11.

Because of TPM or slow CPU? You can disable those checks during installaiton of Win 11! ;)

How to bypass TPM 2.0 check when installing Windows 11 in a virtual machine | Windows Central
<https://www.windowscentral.com/how-install-windows-11-virtual-machine-without-tpm-20>

How to Install Windows 11 without TPM / with Unsupported CPU - WinBuzzer <https://winbuzzer.com/2021/10/07/how-to-install-windows-11-without-tpm-2-xcxwbt/>

It's a two core processor at 1.5GHz.

It's like a dual Tualatin or an early (dual) Pentium
in terms of horsepower.

It's just as sad a concept as my laptop, which is equivalent
to an AthlonXP at 2.2GHz.

Why the CPU companies made stuff like this, I'll never know.
They knew they weren't good for anything modern when they made them.

These just aren't good candidates for "busy little OSes".
Just the AV activity alone keeps the box railed. The laptop
has a 5400 RPM hard drive. 320GB.

Paul

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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

Quite old, low end RAM most likely an original Win7 device upgraded for
free to Win10(or 8.0/8.1 before 10)
Currently Running 21H2 which ceases support in June 2023. Device should
be updated to W10 22H2.
i.e. 21H2 no longer receive security updates after June 13, 2023.

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-21h2-end-of-servicing>

Do you know if the user will be notified before/at/after that time?
(Like was the case when 8.1 Extended Support ended in January.)

I like to keep my wife's quite old (May 2014) laptop on a in-support
OS, without living on the bleeding edge.

(Of course I can check by that time, but so many things to think of ...)

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Frank Slootweg wrote on 4/24/2023 12:32 PM:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

Quite old, low end RAM most likely an original Win7 device upgraded for
free to Win10(or 8.0/8.1 before 10)
Currently Running 21H2 which ceases support in June 2023. Device should
be updated to W10 22H2.
i.e. 21H2 no longer receive security updates after June 13, 2023.

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-21h2-end-of-servicing>

Do you know if the user will be notified before/at/after that time?
(Like was the case when 8.1 Extended Support ended in January.)

I like to keep my wife's quite old (May 2014) laptop on a in-support
OS, without living on the bleeding edge.

(Of course I can check by that time, but so many things to think of ...)

For earlier Windows versions(RTM 2015 release through 1803) a notice was deployed via Windows Update.
For 21H2(since 21H1 has the same core o/s files as 22H2) it should happen automatically, the update for supported systems by using an enablement
package <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5015684-featured-update-to-windows-10-version-22h2-by-using-an-enablement-package-09d43632-f438-47b5-985e-d6fd704eee61>
i.e. if 21H2 is fully updated which also would contain the latest
Servicing Stack Update then most of the 22H2 bits are already present,
the enablement package only needs to turn those bits on.


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Paul wrote:

It's a two core processor at 1.5GHz.

It's like a dual Tualatin or an early (dual) Pentium
in terms of horsepower.

It's just as sad a concept as my laptop, which is equivalent
to an AthlonXP at 2.2GHz.

Why the CPU companies made stuff like this, I'll never know.
They knew they weren't good for anything modern when they made them.

These just aren't good candidates for "busy little OSes".
Just the AV activity alone keeps the box railed. The laptop
has a 5400 RPM hard drive. 320GB.

Well, that pokey laptop HD is your biggest problem.

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Frank Slootweg wrote on 4/24/2023 12:32 PM:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

Quite old, low end RAM most likely an original Win7 device upgraded for
free to Win10(or 8.0/8.1 before 10)
Currently Running 21H2 which ceases support in June 2023. Device should
be updated to W10 22H2.
i.e. 21H2 no longer receive security updates after June 13, 2023.

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-21h2-end-of-servicing>

Do you know if the user will be notified before/at/after that time?
(Like was the case when 8.1 Extended Support ended in January.)

I like to keep my wife's quite old (May 2014) laptop on a in-support
OS, without living on the bleeding edge.

(Of course I can check by that time, but so many things to think of ...)

After a few more queries, afaics, the automatic update is the predominant
route for 21H2 devices. In fact Win10 22H2 devices capable of Win11 have
a mixed result on notification on upgrading to Win11 atm(some seeing an
option to upgrade, some seeing an option upgrade or stay on Win10, some
seeing nothing yet, some...blah)

Not related to Win10:
- the latest Win11 22H2 April 2023 Cumulative Update Preview adds a new 'feature'
"New! This update adds a new toggle control on the Settings > Windows
Update page. When you turn it on, we will prioritize your device to get
the latest non-security updates and enhancements when they are available
for your device. For managed devices, the toggle is disabled by default.


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On 24/04/2023 16:53, Paul wrote:

On 4/24/2023 10:29 AM, David Brooks wrote:

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @
1.5GHz Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2   OS build  19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac which
is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me!

It's 6th generation Sandy Bridge from 2011.

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Mobile%20Celeron%20B800.html

It will run mostly in a Windows 10 like fashion. Any newer
features might well be turned off.

   Microarchitecture            Gen 6

   Frequency                    1.5 GHz
   The number of CPU cores      2
   The number of threads        2

   VT-x / Virtualization technology
   SSE4 / SSE4.1 + SSE4.2 / Streaming SIMD Extensions 4  ?
   EM64T / Extended Memory 64 technology / Intel 64

   DDR3-1333   [the first really decent RAM type, not all DDR2 was good]

Has a hard drive in it, 320GB or so, 5400 RPM.
I don't think there is a TPM for Secure Boot.

https://www.newegg.ca/toshiba-satellite-c650-01l/p/N82E16834214538CVF

But you're doing good, as it's got one more core than
my laptop has got :-) I keep an older version of Win10
on that, just for speed reasons.

Thanks, Paul. :-D

As I had the laptop 'up and running', I decided to run a scan.

Here's the result: https://ibb.co/4M86CVH

I was a little concerned by the words "Remediation Incomplete" so I
downloaded and installed AVG

Here's the first scan result: https://ibb.co/cFKnHWD

Here's how things are now: https://ibb.co/7bn9rX2

What further action would you take if the computer was your own?

TIA

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On 4/26/2023 6:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:

On 24/04/2023 16:53, Paul wrote:

On 4/24/2023 10:29 AM, David Brooks wrote:

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @ 1.5GHz Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2   OS build  19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac which >>> is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me!

It's 6th generation Sandy Bridge from 2011.

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Mobile%20Celeron%20B800.html

It will run mostly in a Windows 10 like fashion. Any newer
features might well be turned off.

    Microarchitecture            Gen 6

    Frequency                    1.5 GHz
    The number of CPU cores      2
    The number of threads        2

    VT-x / Virtualization technology
    SSE4 / SSE4.1 + SSE4.2 / Streaming SIMD Extensions 4  ?
    EM64T / Extended Memory 64 technology / Intel 64

    DDR3-1333   [the first really decent RAM type, not all DDR2 was good]

Has a hard drive in it, 320GB or so, 5400 RPM.
I don't think there is a TPM for Secure Boot.

https://www.newegg.ca/toshiba-satellite-c650-01l/p/N82E16834214538CVF

But you're doing good, as it's got one more core than
my laptop has got :-) I keep an older version of Win10
on that, just for speed reasons.

Thanks, Paul. :-D

As I had the laptop 'up and running', I decided to run a scan.

Here's the result:  https://ibb.co/4M86CVH

I was a little concerned by the words "Remediation Incomplete" so I downloaded and installed AVG

Here's the first scan result:  https://ibb.co/cFKnHWD

Here's how things are now:  https://ibb.co/7bn9rX2

What further action would you take if the computer was your own?

TIA

The path is more interesting than the Trojan. There seems to be some
general weirdness of the "sync" variety, but the people are also
claiming the images aren't theirs (not received via email).
Note that an AV in the thread, claimed to not be able to remove something
from there. That could be something keeping the file open.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/microsoftwindowscommunicationsapps8wekyb3d8bbwe/c8746de8-55d4-47cd-a106-6d01eb6c41e4

Your path is:

C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe\
LocalState\Files\S0\1\Attachments

which implies you've been sent a Trojan email and the attachment is waiting for you
to "step in it" by clicking it. The permissions on the structures there, might be intended to help with privacy. It's possible some anti-tamper setting is interfering with clearing the pest. Or, your email tool is not exited,
which might allow free access to it.

The Microsoft entry for the Trojan, does not state what it does.

*******

first level scan, would be a Windows Defender quick scan. Which
you've probably already done.

Next level, is MSO from the Security panel. This uses a WinPE or
a WinRE as the OS, as far as I know. On a reboot, you'll get a scan done.
This requires no materials, except the PC itself.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/Vs9gmh9c/Microsoft-Scanner-Offline-MSO.gif

The next level after that, is MSSS safety scanner. Needs media
such as a USB stick. Scans offline, like the previous one (boot the USB stick from your popup boot menu on the laptop). You prepare this stick on your uninfected PC.
This pulls updated defs at runtime. Defs are on the order of 100MB, to give some
idea how long the definition update stage might take.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/intelligence/safety-scanner-download?view=o365-worldwide

Winver.exe, does not particularly identify 32 bit versus 64 bit OS.
sysdm.cpl has some info.
msinfo32.exe has some info.

You can check your C: partition contents, as part of identifying bitness.

C: Program Files <=== 64 bit folder \___ This is a 64 bit OS
Program Files (x86) <=== 32 bit folder /

C: Program Files <=== 32 bit folder \___ This is a 32 bit OS
/

Paul

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On 26/04/2023 19:37, Paul wrote:

On 4/26/2023 6:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:

On 24/04/2023 16:53, Paul wrote:

On 4/24/2023 10:29 AM, David Brooks wrote:

I've checked today!

My Toshiba Satellite laptop has an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU B800 @
1.5GHz Processor

4.00 GB Installed RAM

Windows 10 Home Version 21H2   OS build  19044.1889

I had forgotten just how slow it is in comparison to my Apple iMac
which
is running macOS Ventura 13.3.1 (22E261)

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me!

It's 6th generation Sandy Bridge from 2011.

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Mobile%20Celeron%20B800.html

It will run mostly in a Windows 10 like fashion. Any newer
features might well be turned off.

    Microarchitecture            Gen 6

    Frequency                    1.5 GHz
    The number of CPU cores      2
    The number of threads        2

    VT-x / Virtualization technology
    SSE4 / SSE4.1 + SSE4.2 / Streaming SIMD Extensions 4  ?
    EM64T / Extended Memory 64 technology / Intel 64

    DDR3-1333   [the first really decent RAM type, not all DDR2 was >>> good]

Has a hard drive in it, 320GB or so, 5400 RPM.
I don't think there is a TPM for Secure Boot.

https://www.newegg.ca/toshiba-satellite-c650-01l/p/N82E16834214538CVF

But you're doing good, as it's got one more core than
my laptop has got :-) I keep an older version of Win10
on that, just for speed reasons.

Thanks, Paul. :-D

As I had the laptop 'up and running', I decided to run a scan.

Here's the result:  https://ibb.co/4M86CVH

I was a little concerned by the words "Remediation Incomplete" so I
downloaded and installed AVG

Here's the first scan result:  https://ibb.co/cFKnHWD

Here's how things are now:  https://ibb.co/7bn9rX2

What further action would you take if the computer was your own?

TIA

The path is more interesting than the Trojan. There seems to be some
general weirdness of the "sync" variety, but the people are also
claiming the images aren't theirs (not received via email).
Note that an AV in the thread, claimed to not be able to remove something from there. That could be something keeping the file open.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/microsoftwindowscommunicationsapps8wekyb3d8bbwe/c8746de8-55d4-47cd-a106-6d01eb6c41e4

Your path is:

C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe\
        LocalState\Files\S0\1\Attachments

which implies you've been sent a Trojan email and the attachment is
waiting for you
to "step in it" by clicking it. The permissions on the structures there, might
be intended to help with privacy. It's possible some anti-tamper setting is interfering with clearing the pest. Or, your email tool is not exited,
which might allow free access to it.

The Microsoft entry for the Trojan, does not state what it does.

*******

first level scan, would be a Windows Defender quick scan. Which
you've probably already done.

Yes, I did that.

Next level, is MSO from the Security panel. This uses a WinPE or
a WinRE as the OS, as far as I know. On a reboot, you'll get a scan done. This requires no materials, except the PC itself.

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/Vs9gmh9c/Microsoft-Scanner-Offline-MSO.gif

Yes, I did that too.

The next level after that, is MSSS safety scanner. Needs media
such as a USB stick. Scans offline, like the previous one (boot the USB
stick
from your popup boot menu on the laptop). You prepare this stick on your uninfected PC.
This pulls updated defs at runtime. Defs are on the order of 100MB, to
give some
idea how long the definition update stage might take.

I didn't know about that, which was why I used AVG.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/intelligence/safety-scanner-download?view=o365-worldwide

Winver.exe, does not particularly identify 32 bit versus 64 bit OS.
sysdm.cpl has some info.
msinfo32.exe has some info.

You can check your C: partition contents, as part of identifying bitness.

C:  Program Files        <=== 64 bit folder    \___ This is a 64 bit OS
    Program Files (x86)  <=== 32 bit folder    /

C:  Program Files        <=== 32 bit folder    \___ This is a 32 bit OS

As always, Paul - a comprehensive reply.

Thank you. 🙂

I'm going to put away the laptop for now; visitors coming tomorrow!

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On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate. As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

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Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a multi-volume
license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

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Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/27/2023 8:02 PM, ...winston wrote:

Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a multi-volume
license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

I email asking if this was Retail or OEM

"Thanks for the email and for checking out Windows 11 on our site!

It is a retail version.

This information and more can be found on the product page under the
"specs" tab for your review."

Personally, I did not find that info under the specs tab.

It's clearly not "retail" in the usual sense, because that would
include a unique product key, like I paid $200 directly to Microsoft
for, in 2021 (it was for Win10, but typing it into the Win11 installer
works). This deal is probably, in truth, neither retail nor OEM, but,
as another poster suggested, is in some way utilizing volume licensing
to be distributed to consumers, which isn't a terrible way to obtain
it, given the low price, because you can then activate the same
machine over and over. The real advantage to my license is merely
that I could use it on a new machine, were this one to no longer be in
use.

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On 4/27/2023 8:02 PM, ...winston wrote:

Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a multi-volume license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

I email asking if this was Retail or OEM

"Thanks for the email and for checking out Windows 11 on our site!

It is a retail version.

This information and more can be found on the product page under the
"specs" tab for your review."

Personally, I did not find that info under the specs tab.

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Joel wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/27/2023 8:02 PM, ...winston wrote:

Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer,
but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the
second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a multi-volume
license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

I email asking if this was Retail or OEM

"Thanks for the email and for checking out Windows 11 on our site!

It is a retail version.

This information and more can be found on the product page under the
"specs" tab for your review."

Personally, I did not find that info under the specs tab.

It's clearly not "retail" in the usual sense, because that would
include a unique product key, like I paid $200 directly to Microsoft
for, in 2021 (it was for Win10, but typing it into the Win11 installer works). This deal is probably, in truth, neither retail nor OEM, but,
as another poster suggested, is in some way utilizing volume licensing
to be distributed to consumers, which isn't a terrible way to obtain
it, given the low price, because you can then activate the same
machine over and over. The real advantage to my license is merely
that I could use it on a new machine, were this one to no longer be in
use.

Not necessarily accurate.
There is a unique difference between retail and OEM(the basic is one
is transferable the other not). That's doesn't necessarily apply in the
Volume license arena. A volume license, for example, may have 5 licenses
with one product key. If 1 of the 5 device gets replaced or taken out of service the license can be used on the new or another device(e.g. a
device with an earlier o/s) to put the 5 volume licenses in use
again(still with the same key).
When one installs a Win10 Home/Pro under volume license, the install
is a retail version even though its still using that one single key for
5 licenses.

In VL, one can always activate the same machines over and over again,
just like one can with a retail license...and not much different with an
OEM same device that gets wiped and clean installed or reset to factory.
- activation for previously activated devices almost always happens automatically without the fanfare of earlier o/s need to enter a product
key.


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On 4/28/2023 5:24 PM, ...winston wrote:

Joel wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/27/2023 8:02 PM, ...winston wrote:

Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer, >>>>>> but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the >>>>>> second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which
makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen
nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a multi-volume >>>> license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

I email asking if this was Retail or OEM

"Thanks for the email and for checking out Windows 11 on our site!

It is a retail version.

This information and more can be found on the product page under the
"specs" tab for your review."

Personally, I did not find that info under the specs tab.

It's clearly not "retail" in the usual sense, because that would
include a unique product key, like I paid $200 directly to Microsoft
for, in 2021 (it was for Win10, but typing it into the Win11 installer
works).  This deal is probably, in truth, neither retail nor OEM, but,
as another poster suggested, is in some way utilizing volume licensing
to be distributed to consumers, which isn't a terrible way to obtain
it, given the low price, because you can then activate the same
machine over and over.  The real advantage to my license is merely
that I could use it on a new machine, were this one to no longer be in
use.

Not necessarily accurate.
 There is a unique difference between retail and OEM(the basic is one
is transferable the other not). That's doesn't necessarily apply in the Volume license arena. A volume license, for example, may have 5 licenses
with one product key. If 1 of the 5 device gets replaced or taken out of service the license can be used on the new or another device(e.g. a
device with an earlier o/s) to put the 5 volume licenses in use
again(still with the same key).
 When one installs a Win10 Home/Pro under volume license, the install
is a retail version even though its still using that one single key for
5 licenses.

In VL, one can always activate the same machines over and over again,
just like one can with a retail license...and not much different with an
OEM same device that gets wiped and clean installed or reset to factory.
 - activation for previously activated devices almost always happens automatically without the fanfare of earlier o/s need to enter a product
key.

My wife got Retail Win 10 through her son that works for MS, which I
believe included the 3 license language, FWIW.

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On 4/28/2023 7:11 PM, Bob F wrote:

On 4/28/2023 5:24 PM, ...winston wrote:

Joel wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/27/2023 8:02 PM, ...winston wrote:

Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro >>>>>>>
https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png


I have never purchased anything through this site, as a disclaimer, >>>>>>> but I have no reason to doubt it's legitimate.  As you see in the >>>>>>> second link, it says you can install it on three computers, which >>>>>>> makes me wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have seen >>>>>>> nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a multi-volume >>>>> license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

I email asking if this was Retail or OEM

"Thanks for the email and for checking out Windows 11 on our site!

It is a retail version.

This information and more can be found on the product page under the
"specs" tab for your review."

Personally, I did not find that info under the specs tab.

It's clearly not "retail" in the usual sense, because that would
include a unique product key, like I paid $200 directly to Microsoft
for, in 2021 (it was for Win10, but typing it into the Win11 installer
works).  This deal is probably, in truth, neither retail nor OEM, but,
as another poster suggested, is in some way utilizing volume licensing
to be distributed to consumers, which isn't a terrible way to obtain
it, given the low price, because you can then activate the same
machine over and over.  The real advantage to my license is merely
that I could use it on a new machine, were this one to no longer be in
use.

Not necessarily accurate.
  There is a unique difference between retail and OEM(the basic is one
is transferable the other not). That's doesn't necessarily apply in
the Volume license arena. A volume license, for example, may have 5
licenses with one product key. If 1 of the 5 device gets replaced or
taken out of service the license can be used on the new or another
device(e.g. a device with an earlier o/s) to put the 5 volume licenses
in use again(still with the same key).
  When one installs a Win10 Home/Pro under volume license, the install
is a retail version even though its still using that one single key
for 5 licenses.

In VL, one can always activate the same machines over and over again,
just like one can with a retail license...and not much different with
an OEM same device that gets wiped and clean installed or reset to
factory.
  - activation for previously activated devices almost always happens
automatically without the fanfare of earlier o/s need to enter a
product key.

My wife got Retail Win 10 through her son that works for MS, which I
believe included the 3 license language, FWIW.

Oops! That was probably the MS Office program that had that 3 PC license.

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Bob F wrote:

On 4/28/2023 7:11 PM, Bob F wrote:

On 4/28/2023 5:24 PM, ...winston wrote:

Joel wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/27/2023 8:02 PM, ...winston wrote:

Bob F wrote:

On 4/22/2023 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:

https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro >>>>>>>>

https://i.imgur.com/ewK4ZP1.png

I have never purchased anything through this site, as a
disclaimer, but I have no reason to doubt it's
legitimate. As you see in the second link, it says you
can install it on three computers, which makes me
wonder, if that's true of all licenses, but I have
seen nothing, anywhere else, to indicate that.

Now $39.99

Unlikely to be seen elsewhere unless a similar offer of a
multi-volume license was avaialble.

Thus, it would not be true 'for all licenses'

I email asking if this was Retail or OEM

"Thanks for the email and for checking out Windows 11 on our
site!

It is a retail version.

This information and more can be found on the product page
under the "specs" tab for your review."

Personally, I did not find that info under the specs tab.

It's clearly not "retail" in the usual sense, because that
would include a unique product key, like I paid $200 directly
to Microsoft for, in 2021 (it was for Win10, but typing it into
the Win11 installer works). This deal is probably, in truth,
neither retail nor OEM, but, as another poster suggested, is in
some way utilizing volume licensing to be distributed to
consumers, which isn't a terrible way to obtain it, given the
low price, because you can then activate the same machine over
and over. The real advantage to my license is merely that I
could use it on a new machine, were this one to no longer be
in use.

Not necessarily accurate. There is a unique difference between
retail and OEM(the basic is one is transferable the other not).
That's doesn't necessarily apply in the Volume license arena. A
volume license, for example, may have 5 licenses with one product
key. If 1 of the 5 device gets replaced or taken out of service
the license can be used on the new or another device(e.g. a
device with an earlier o/s) to put the 5 volume licenses in use
again(still with the same key). When one installs a Win10
Home/Pro under volume license, the install is a retail version
even though its still using that one single key for 5 licenses.

In VL, one can always activate the same machines over and over
again, just like one can with a retail license...and not much
different with an OEM same device that gets wiped and clean
installed or reset to factory. - activation for previously
activated devices almost always happens automatically without the
fanfare of earlier o/s need to enter a product key.

My wife got Retail Win 10 through her son that works for MS, which
I believe included the 3 license language, FWIW.

Oops! That was probably the MS Office program that had that 3 PC
license.

MS Employee software(both Windows and Office) are retail version but
classified as NFR(not for resale).
- NFR software can be purchased by an employee and then given to
another(i.e. gift, donate) but the NFR condition remains for the
recipient.
- Afaik, current MS employee purchases for Windows and single license,
single use. Microsoft 365 versions of Office come in different flavors
- standalone(single license, single user), Personal(single license,
single user, subscription renewable annually), and Family(single
license, multiple users 1-6 people, subscription renewable annually)
=> The Family version is single licensed/owned by one user(the
purchaser or
the person gifted/given that installs the NFR software) with the ability
to share the product with up to five other persons.
- i.e. the only multi-use sold to employees would be the Family
version. Though any Personal version can be upgraded after installation
and activation to a Family version for the additional cost.
- Both Windows and Office are sold at reduced pricing to employees, but
for Microsoft 365/Office Family and Personal, the renewal cost after the
first year of use is same annual cost(Personal ~$70/yr, Family $99/yr
with the Family $99 renewal retaining the ability to continue sharing
with 5 others). Note a 'share' is done via the owners online Microsoft account(Subscriptions). A share can be removed(e.g. share to 3 others
using 4 of the possible 6 with 2 remaining unshared, then unshare one,
then 3 shares remaining).


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David Brooks wrote:

On 26/04/2023 19:37, Paul wrote:

first level scan, would be a Windows Defender quick scan. Which
you've probably already done.

Yes, I did that.

Next level, is MSO from the Security panel. This uses a WinPE or
a WinRE as the OS, as far as I know. On a reboot, you'll get a scan done.
This requires no materials, except the PC itself.

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/Vs9gmh9c/Microsoft-Scanner-Offline-MSO.gif

Yes, I did that too.

The next level after that, is MSSS safety scanner. Needs media
such as a USB stick. Scans offline, like the previous one (boot the USB
stick
from your popup boot menu on the laptop). You prepare this stick on your
uninfected PC.
This pulls updated defs at runtime. Defs are on the order of 100MB, to
give some
idea how long the definition update stage might take.

I didn't know about that, which was why I used AVG.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/intelligence/safety-scanner-download?view=o365-worldwide

Winver.exe, does not particularly identify 32 bit versus 64 bit OS.
sysdm.cpl has some info.
msinfo32.exe has some info.

You can check your C: partition contents, as part of identifying bitness.

C:  Program Files        <=== 64 bit folder    \___ This is a 64 bit OS
    Program Files (x86)  <=== 32 bit folder    /

C:  Program Files        <=== 32 bit folder    \___ This is a 32 bit OS

As always, Paul - a comprehensive reply.

Thank you. ?

+1 As high a quality a post as I've seen in some time. I'm going to
try those suggestions on my machines.

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